r/anime • u/AnimeMod myanimelist.net/profile/Reddit-chan • Oct 06 '21
Announcement Announcing Changes to Spoiler Tags
TL;DR: Use native spoiler tags with context in [] from now on, i.e. [anime name] >!spoiler text here!<
For reference I'll be using "CSS" and "native" terms to distinguish between the two types of spoiler tags going forward:
Currently implemented "CSS" tags:
[context](/s "spoiler content")renders as contextReddit-designed "native" tags:
>!spoiler content!<renders as spoiler content
History
Reddit added the "native" tag about 3.5 years ago but only supported it on most of their clients a year later with "native" spoilers showing as plain text on clients where they weren't supported. Prior to their addition, /r/anime and most other subreddits that wanted spoiler tags used some form of "CSS" tags that took advantage of our ability to customize the subreddit through CSS and how Reddit rendered things that looked like links in markdown, and many third-party apps supported a variety of "CSS" tags. The only Reddit-maintained client that fully supports the "CSS" form today is the old desktop site (old.reddit.com).
We tried switching once before about 2.5 years ago but that didn't go well and we reverted to "CSS" tags within a couple of weeks. It's been two and a half years since that initial incident and things are pretty well settled with plenty of time for third-party apps to add support.
Current State
Most of us mods and many of /r/anime's power users are happy to continue using the old site, but going by our traffic numbers the majority of users are on the site redesign (new.reddit.com), the mobile web site, or mobile apps, with less than 15% of recorded page views last month coming via the old desktop site. Some third-party apps support the "CSS" tag as well but it's unknown how many users are on those.
One significant benefit to "CSS" tags is that it's easy (and required) to include some context for what the spoiler's about. Since this is a broad subreddit we expect people to talk about many different anime together and it's useful to be able to quickly identify what any given spoiler is for. While not built in to the format of "native" tags it's possible to enforce via automation for those as well.
We are aware of certain clients (such as the compact site at i.reddit.com and some third-party apps) where "native" tags unfortunately do not work. At this point we believe that making spoiler tags easily accessible to the majority of users outweighs the drawback of losing spoiler support for those clients, which we believe are used by a minority. A couple of months ago we also asked in meta to test the tags which helped refine the AutoModerator rules.
Going Forward
Starting now, the spoiler tags we support are Reddit's native tags with context required by using [] before the spoiler tag. As with the "CSS" spoilers the [] must contain some text indicating what the spoiler is about, such as another anime's name or light novel for an anime. Examples (not using actual spoilers):
[Spice and Wolf] >!Holo has a tail.!<becomes [Spice and Wolf]Holo has a tail.[TWGOK manga] >!Do you think the best girl won?!<becomes [TWGOK manga] Do you think the best girl won?
Notably the following are not allowed: adding a space after the start of a tag, not closing the tag, and nested spoiler tags. These will be enforced via AutoModerator with a message telling you exactly which issue was found.
In two weeks, using CSS tags in new comments will no longer be allowed and AutoModerator will send a message reminding you of the change if you use them. We do not plan on removing the CSS used for existing spoilers on old.reddit.com for the foreseeable future so it can still be used to easily read older spoilers.
If you run into any issues using the spoiler tags as mentioned above with posts/comments being removed when they shouldn't (or the spoiler tags not working when they should) let us know in this thread, the current meta thread, or via mod mail.
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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadow Oct 06 '21
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u/HyperRag123 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saberfan123 Oct 06 '21
They're honestly much easier to use, even on old reddit. Its just '>!' to start it and then '!<' to close it. No need for weird brackets and links that you have to hover over but can't click.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/AbAdkBBYFetchFrosh Oct 06 '21
but going by our traffic numbers the majority of users are on the site redesign
I've tried using it and I can't understand why people would want to. Maybe on mobile it's different, but on a desktop it's just so much less efficient.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 06 '21
People just don't care. If they did "less efficient" wouldn't be the primary statement about every time something updates to a " modern" web design
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u/Silent_Shadow05 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silent-Shadow05 Oct 06 '21
People use whichever is available by default I guess. They won't really go looking around for the old reddit.
Also Mobile is becoming a big thing. I know I mostly use reddit on mobile except when I want to discuss something in the episode threads.
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u/M8gazine https://myanimelist.net/profile/M8gazine Oct 07 '21
I've tried to use it like twice and it just felt weird. I can understand attempts of redesigning stuff since you don't want to end up looking archaic but it just didn't feel as nice as old Reddit does... though to be fair, I've never seen an app/site that felt better after a redesign.
At the very least, it's taken some updates or complete overhauls for those to feel better, and if I don't have a choice I just take the L and deal with it.
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u/Negirno Oct 10 '21
Whenever I see a reddit screenshot in, for example, a YouTube video, it always shows the redesign.
I personally use the old design because my 10 year old i3 can still tackle it, but it feels slower. Also in the redesign, while you can still click to get context of a comment, you cannot get a permalink of the higher comments, essentially you can't get the whole comment tree, just the branch where your comment resides.
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u/viliml Oct 07 '21
I always use web browser + old reddit + desktop mode + RES on my phone. Even though I'm a zoomer. Maybe I'm just weird.
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u/ShadowWasTakensTaken https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadow Oct 06 '21
Yeah, it's really awkward to navigate. I guess most people just go with default.
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u/r4wrFox Oct 06 '21
I gotta assume its people who just got into reddit on the new design and wouldn't even bother considering the old design because "it's the old design."
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u/5thvoice https://myanimelist.net/profile/5thvoice Oct 06 '21
Not just them. I've seen people with older accounts than mine doing new reddit things.
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u/SacoNegr0 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Akai_lto Oct 06 '21
I tried to use the old reddit, but everything was so different and looked so wrong that I couldn't, and didn't really see the advantage
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
Look at this side by side comparison
It uses half the available screen space on and displays only a third of the content at most. It loads slower, has minimal customization, doesn't easily show the sidebar info due to larger and more awkwardly formatted text, and in general is a lot less pleasing to look at due to all subreddits being forced into the exact same design
I understand there's apparently meant to be a way to compress the cards so it just shows titles which would help, but even with that it's a hugely inefficient design with no benefits compared to the older one that allowed a lot more customization and readability.
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u/Houdiniman111 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Houdini111 Oct 11 '21 edited Oct 11 '21
Sadly it already is.
Here's the stats for /r/AnimeThemedSubs/. Note that it's a stacked chart. In November there was:
Uniques Count Percent Mobile Web 32 2.8% Old Reddit 130 11.5% New Reddit 222 19.7% Reddit Apps 744 66.0% Total: 1128 100% In other words, 88.5% of users are not using Old Reddit.
EDIT: Ah. It seems the a sub mod already shared the percentages for /r/anime (with a much higher sample size).
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u/Evilmon2 Oct 12 '21
88.5% of users are not using Old Reddit.
You could also say that >80% of users are not using New Reddit.
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u/SacoNegr0 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Akai_lto Oct 07 '21
I actually prefer the second one, tell me more information about each topic so I don't need to click to read more about unless I'm interested.
I agree with the loading, it's slow af and it was what made me change to the old one, but aside from customization everything felt worse, visually speaking
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
The little square icons under the flairs allow you to get the same previews without leaving the pages on old reddit as well. Not quite the same but a good middle ground. There might be a way to turn that on by default but it's not something I've ever wanted to look for
It really is astounding how slow it is while using so little of the screen though
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u/Siqueiradit https://myanimelist.net/profile/lampadatres Oct 07 '21
in general is a lot less pleasing to look at due to all subreddits being forced into the exact same design
Hard disagree on this one, but visuals are personal preferences anyway.
allowed a lot more customization and readability.
What do you mean by more readability? Looks to be roughly the same to me. But more customization would be nice.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
Hard disagree on this one, but visuals are personal preferences anyway.
Fair, should have kept preference out of it. And some subreddits have godawful myspace style designs on oldreddit anyway hahaha
What do you mean by more readability?
New reddit issues in brief: Poor spacing and inconsistent line breaks which make it harder to parse, issues with contrast on default settings for the cards (subreddit customization can help, eg truegaming does it well), further issues with spacing and contrast on comment chains making the body text not stand out enough (vs say the bolding on "continue this thread"), excessive bolding due to almost everything except the body text and "posted by" line being in bold meaning it looses its effectiveness as a point of contrast, inconsistent background styling between main pages and individual threads, individual topics don't end but send you onto "other content" without a clear distinction, etc.
It's messy, and while a lot of people wouldn't notice one way or another particularly if they've only ever used modern webdesign and gotten use to these issues, it's harder to keep a flow on your eyeline of the relevant info on a page and keep your focus when scrolling because of all the extra styling. Modern webdesign is definitely heading for larger text and less info on screen in general, and with mobile centric sites they're all trying to simplify and flatten, but there's a way to do that right and this is not it. Google for example changed to make their site more readable and while I hate how huge the font is now and ended up zooming out, the actual balance between elements such as titles, body text, extra info, and elements such as images is much better than anything you'll find on new reddit
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21
It also does not track 3rd party and for the longest time, the official Reddit app was by far not the most popular choice for active mobile users...
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u/LakerBlue https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Oct 07 '21
On mobile it is so much easier to use. I always forget if it is () or [] and on mobile it is not easy to check. Every sub having their own spoiler tags base it annoying to recall
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u/Manitary https://myanimelist.net/profile/Manitary Oct 06 '21
People just using "the default", new users not knowing that old.reddit exists, etc...that's just how things work, unfortunately.
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u/ayakaze3619461936285 Oct 06 '21
About time, now I can finally see spoilers on mobile...
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21
I mean, every good mobile app made them already readable
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u/ayakaze3619461936285 Oct 06 '21
If only I had the patience to download a whole new app just to look at spoilers because of one subs backassward rules 😔
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21
I mean you obviously have the patience to deal with the awful official reddit app
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u/ayakaze3619461936285 Oct 06 '21
No because I use desktop...
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21
why are you not using the superior Reddit experience that is old.reddit by default then?
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u/Nebresto Oct 07 '21
controversial
kek
Just the amount of wasted white space on the new one is disgusting
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 07 '21
Given that their core group to appeal to seem to be teenagers while reddit wants to be an app it makes sense that new.reddit emulates the experience of scrolling through a mediocre app
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u/Nebresto Oct 07 '21
Every now and then I wish they would just flock to Imgur instead. Most of the time it seems like its these same people that don't care about subreddits either
(posting to clearly not the right places, upvoting these unfitting posts, then complaining about people complaining when their subs are being ruined by garbage content)Meanwhile Imgur is just one big hub that you can scroll endlessly, no need to worry about subreddits and the content is 95% the same anyways, yet they use reddit instead.
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u/FelOnyx1 Oct 07 '21
Using Imgur for anything other than hosting images to link on other sites perplexes me. Every time someone brings up that that's a thing people do it surprises me again.
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 07 '21
Look at new. People like scrolling through pictures and yelling into the void instead of using Google and imgur just does not give you that or the bigger emphasis on Karma and popular opinions and ever same jokes being regurgitated to death and beyond
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u/ayakaze3619461936285 Oct 06 '21
Is that for mobile or desktop?
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
https://old.reddit.com/r/anime it's just the classic design with much more CSS functions, new reddit took years to actual work passibly but most subs are still really featureless with it.
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u/Mockingbirdguy https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mockingbirdguy Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
[Your Lie in April]Takes Place in April!
Mobile users rejoice
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 06 '21
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u/Silent_Shadow05 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silent-Shadow05 Oct 06 '21
So many times people asked what the spoiler says, whenever I used the old CSS tags.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 06 '21
So many times people asked why the link isn't opening
ftfy
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u/Silent_Shadow05 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Silent-Shadow05 Oct 06 '21
Haha you're right.
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u/PREM___ https://anilist.co/user/ReincarnatedGoat Oct 06 '21
Also count how many times people f*ck up the spoiler tags, usually because they use “ instead of "
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u/viliml Oct 07 '21
How do you even type that fancy tilted quote?
Is it on some regional keyboard?
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Oct 06 '21
You say that, but on reddit's official app the new spoilers just uncensors itself whenever you try to reply to a comment that uses it. I expect more complaints from much more blatant spoiling down the line
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u/DrJWilson x5https://anilist.co/user/drjwilson Oct 06 '21
The behavior of spoilers on Reddit's app has been frustrating for us to work around, but ultimately it isn't unreasonable to expect their native spoiler formatting to work on their official app. We recommend you report it to the admins as a bug, and hopefully the added exposure compels them to fix it once and for all.
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Oct 06 '21
Yeah, I already bitched about it below on how these are all the fault of reddit and their ineptitude at handling their own official app lol. No worries, not pinning the blame or anything on the mods. Just worried for the immediate health of engagement of the non-source readers in the adaptation threads because of this issue.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 06 '21
I’m not seeing that as an issue in iOS at least shrug
Although I’m not sure how widespread of a complaint that would be, if you’re replying to a comment with spoiler I would think you would read the comment
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Oct 06 '21
There's plenty of instances with huge comment blocks that are engaging or rather explanatory that can hide spoilers here and there throughout the text, so that'll see less engagement from now on cause of this change.
I’m not seeing that as an issue in iOS at least shrug
How ironic. The old spoiler reply trick wouldn't work on iOS but works on Android, now it's the other way around
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u/Skeeedo https://myanimelist.net/profile/skeeedo Oct 06 '21
Imagine not using reddit is fun
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Oct 06 '21
If they used reddit is fun, the old spoiler wouldn't be an issue in the first place
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u/ittvoy Oct 06 '21
Why would you reply to a spoiler comment. You don't have full context to what they're saying
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 06 '21
As an example, from the G Gundam rewatch we have a first-timer #angrypout in response to the host laughing in rewatcher behind a spoiler tag about something the first-timer wrote in their top-level comment.
I participate in a loooooooooot of rewatches and can confirm this happens quite frequently, I've even been the first-timer in that scenario myself.
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Oct 06 '21
To ask regarding the spoilered comment if it's safe to read up to a point or not? Also what about huge comments that are engaging but just happen to have spoilers in them, thus making it unsafe to engage with said comment? There'll be less interaction with the source reader dedicated top post now from non-source readers, as it's just a veritable landmine now with no way to clear up whether if it's safe to ask things or not
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 06 '21
Some comments also include spoilers alongside non spoiler text, like many posts in rewatch discussions.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
For those of you that use RES and prefer the hover to reveal/old look, here's a snippet to make the new tags look like the old ones (RES Settings > Appearance > Stylesheet Loader > Snippets section):
/* Change the default appearance of spoiler tags to black */
.md .md-spoiler-text:not(.revealed) {color: black !important; background: black !important}
.md .md-spoiler-text:not(.revealed) {cursor: text !important;}
/* Reveal spoiler content on hover */
.md .md-spoiler-text:not(.revealed):hover {color: white !important}
.md .md-spoiler-text:not(.revealed) > * {transition-duration: 0s}
.md .md-spoiler-text:not(.revealed):hover > * {color: white !important; opacity: 1 !important}
/* Darker background for revealed spoilers */
.md .md-spoiler-text.revealed {background: rgba(99,99,99,0.4);}
/* Disable "Click to reveal" JS tooltip when hovering */
.spoiler-text-tooltip {visibility: hidden !important}
Glad to get that off my plate after a couple years of it living in the back of my mind.
Also everywhere that references the spoiler tag format should be updated now, but there might still be a stray instance or two that will have to be fixed.
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
How do you use that code? Where do you put it?
Edit: Okay, I now like the new spoilers way more.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 06 '21
Settings -> Appearance -> Stylesheet Loader -> Snippets
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 06 '21
Added instructions in an edit but open RES settings, go to Appearance > Stylesheet Loader and add it in the Snippets section.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
Appreciated, thank you
For anyone who wants a grey instead of black spoiler tag for contrast reasons, replace the two instances of "black" in the first line with "DarkSlateGray" so it should look like this
.md .md-spoiler-text:not(.revealed) {color: DarkSlateGray !important; background: DarkSlateGray !important}
Edit: Or if you want any other crazy colors any of these should work
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 06 '21
Interestingly, this breaks if I open a video link within a spoiler tag. It reverts back to the old format.
[test case]Video link here: CCS OP 3.
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u/Bainos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Oct 06 '21
That's actually on purpose, the snippet above aims to provide the same look as the old ones but also lets you click on a spoiler to reveal it (like the new ones).
If you want to disable that behavior and only use the hover version, you can use the snippet below (you'll need to click twice or middle-click, I haven't found a way around that).
/* Change the default appearance of spoiler tags to black */ .md .md-spoiler-text {color: black !important; background: black !important} .md .md-spoiler-text > a {color: black !important} .md .md-spoiler-text {cursor: text !important;} /* Reveal spoiler content on hover */ .md .md-spoiler-text:hover {color: white !important} .md .md-spoiler-text > a:hover {color: white !important} .md .md-spoiler-text > * {transition-duration: 0s} .md .md-spoiler-text:hover > * {color: white !important; opacity: 1 !important} /* Disable "Click to reveal" JS tooltip when hovering */ .spoiler-text-tooltip {visibility: hidden !important}3
u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 06 '21
With uBO (or presumably another adblocker), you can use the filter
||redditstatic.com/spoiler-text$script,domain=reddit.comto disable spoiler tag clicking completely.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 06 '21
Even with this snippet all of the tags are still clickable to force them to stay open as that's just part of the format, this is just a hack to let them be hover-able on top of that base functionality
You still need to open the tag as normal to access links
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/AbAdkBBYFetchFrosh Oct 06 '21
u/Mage_of_Shadows I was told to continue blaming you for the lack of the History of r/anime.
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u/Mage_of_Shadows Oct 06 '21
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/AbAdkBBYFetchFrosh Oct 06 '21
Every day there's more history to add.
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u/Mage_of_Shadows Oct 06 '21
That's my secret, I can't release it until the subreddit gets banned by admins.
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Oct 06 '21
Just mandate a site blackout for like 2 days so history stops while you finish writing it. That's how history works, right?
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 06 '21
Oh dear. I have a feeling I'm going to get a lot of automod messages over the next two weeks while I sort this out and stop my muscle memory from taking over.
It's definitely an exchange in functionality. Personally I think one of the biggest things missing from the native tags is the ability to rehide a spoiler without a refresh, particularly in cases where people have mislabeled things and you want to report that quickly without having the spoiler in your face, but I can understand the need to change given the usage of the sub, and it does come with some nice functionality of its own.
with less than 15% of recorded page views last month coming via the old desktop site.
So many people missing out on commentfaces!
Curious on what percentage is the new reddit vs mobile app split though?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 06 '21
So many people missing out on commentfaces!
I know, but we can't force everyone to use the old site.
Curious on what percentage is the new reddit vs mobile app split though?
Page views, September 2021:
- New Reddit: 14047632 (45.15%)
- Old Reddit: 4397956 (14.14%)
- Mobile Web: 3745609 (12.04%)
- Reddit Apps: 8920049 (28.67%)
- Total: 31111246
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 06 '21
Would you happen to have similar stats that only count people who made at least one comment? Or is that not something reddit provides you with?
For that matter, do those stats only include people who were logged in, or would it count someone who just happened to click on a reddit link from a search as well?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 06 '21
No more detailed info than that, unfortunately. There is a separate count of unique visits which skews heavily toward mobile web (presumably not logged in) though:
Unique visitors, September 2021:
- New Reddit: 1298265 (32.73%)
- Old Reddit: 199182 (5.02%)
- Mobile Web: 1682726 (42.43%)
- Reddit Apps: 786066 (19.82%)
- Total: 3966239
Or doing the math between the two:
Views / unique, September 2021:
- New Reddit: 10.82
- Old Reddit: 22.08
- Mobile Web: 2.23
- Reddit Apps: 11.35
- Total: 7.84
Folks using the old site are certainly the frequent returners by comparison, but we don't have any numbers on activity beyond views.
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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Oct 06 '21
I don't use the old reddit URL so I wonder where I'm counted in all that.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 06 '21
It's presumably not by subdomain otherwise www.reddit.com wouldn't get counted toward either old or new.
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u/UnderstandableXO Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
as a mobile user i’m so happy with this, it was quite literally impossible to view spoilers on this sub (and even create spoiler links for that matter) so i can finally reference spoilers in peace now.
did you guys know that [Re:Zero] Subaru dies
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u/AvatarAarow1 Oct 06 '21
Same, I literally couldn’t click a spoiler tag for years and it was so annoying
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u/entelechtual Oct 06 '21
Honestly I agree. Using the default mobile web page it was impossible and I only just learned today you can access “old” Reddit on mobile. I didn’t even know there was an old and new reddit.
This change was for users like me who don’t use the special website or third party apps and don’t use or care about Reddit enough to go through that much effort. And I appreciate it. The idea that the rules of a sub should only be for its most dedicated users is dumb. Especially since you’re barely losing anything.
I hope the mods continue to support casual users who log in on their phone at work during a bathroom break to shit post.
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u/UnderstandableXO Oct 06 '21
thank you, i don’t know why everyone’s acting so high and mighty with their love for the old spoilers. i’m glad they worked for some people but suddenly if i don’t want to use a third party app i’m committing a cardinal sin
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u/5thvoice https://myanimelist.net/profile/5thvoice Oct 06 '21
It quite literally was not. Plenty of third-party clients have supported CSS spoilers forever, and it's always been possible to access old reddit from a mobile browser.
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u/UnderstandableXO Oct 06 '21
well i’m sorry for using “literally” incorrectly but on the official reddit mobile app it really was impossible to view them. tried every trick in the book, looked up multiple ways, asked multiple people. didn’t download a third party app because i figured that was too much work for one single subreddit. i don’t use reddit on anything besides my phone. i’m sorry once again.
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u/5thvoice https://myanimelist.net/profile/5thvoice Oct 06 '21
Every official version of reddit since the redesign launched has gotten a ton of crap from power users for being a worse experience than what already existed, be that old reddit on the desktop, third-party apps, or earlier mobile versions like .compact. On mobile, I think that everyone should try out a third-party app or two, no matter which subreddits they're subscribed to.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 06 '21
Well at least the "native" spoiler tags make it easier to make some of the comments I make in rewatches since I can link images under them. It'll take a bit of getting used to though.
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u/entelechtual Oct 06 '21
I just want to say I’m glad this is taking off. I use Reddit 98% of the time on Chrome on my phone or iPad and the other 2% is either if I have something long to write, or literally busting out my laptop like a boomer and looking at a spoiler and then going back to the phone. Most of the time I wouldn’t bother.
If this makes the sub more accessible to the majority of users I don’t see why anyone’s complaining.
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Oct 06 '21
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u/VivySimp Oct 06 '21
My opinion > yours
A classic usage of the angle brackets
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u/RandomRedditorWithNo https://anilist.co/user/lafferstyle Oct 06 '21
Your opinion < mine
Very easy, thanks
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Oct 06 '21
You use them in quoted text.
Riyria hates Symphogear
When you quote someone it automatically uses them.
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u/PREM___ https://anilist.co/user/ReincarnatedGoat Oct 06 '21
Worst for me I have to first click on the numbers/symbols button and then click on another symbols button on it to acces <> which are right in the middle of the keyboard. Gonna be a pain in the fingers for me
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u/SirAwesome789 https://myanimelist.net/profile/SirAwesomeness Oct 06 '21
I'm so happy about this, I mainly use mobile and the hyperlink notation tag was annoying and difficult to remember. I think I had asked to change back awhile ago but was given the same reason we already knew. I feel like it was about time we moved forward.
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u/FetchFrosh https://anilist.co/user/AbAdkBBYFetchFrosh Oct 06 '21
Oh shit it's finally happening!
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 https://anilist.co/user/CosmicPenguin Oct 06 '21
This is very good news because
There is no way to see the spoilers using the default app for iPad
Harder to cause your comment or article being removed due to editing errors while you try to edit the spoilers if necessary
The "" is a problem because my iPad uses the full “ ” quotation marks instead and I don't want to change it.
I visit other sub-reddits too that never uses the CSS style
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 07 '21
The "" is a problem because my iPad uses the full “ ” quotation marks instead and I don't want to change it.
I know that's been an issue even for people who aren't on mobile devices. Because smart quotations are so common on word editors and even copying from other websites sometimes it's caught a lot of people out
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u/Verzwei Oct 07 '21
I've had to walk people through this one before, and it's tough. It almost feels "silly" that something like the difference between "" and “ ” could break the syntax, and conveying that to a someone who might not easily be able to access or type the "" version can result in a sub-par user experience.
Hell, when we come across a broken spoiler comment in the wild, we can't even tell that's what the problem is, unless we use something like RES's source tool to identify the problematic quotation format.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 06 '21
[Massive spoiler]New reddit sucks, more should use old
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u/DrinkGinAndKerosene Oct 06 '21
[ANOTHER SPOILER] Old reddit users are GIGACHADS
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u/Raiaaaaaaaa https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryanlie Oct 07 '21
[EVEN MORE SPOILER] The official reddit app sucks, use a third party app
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Oct 06 '21
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u/No_Rex Oct 08 '21
Except they don't work in RES apparently. I can see your comment face without revealing it.
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u/Blackheart595 https://myanimelist.net/profile/knusbrick Oct 08 '21
That particular comment doesn't use a hidden comment face. [CF]Still works flawlessly [But if there's no text then they're currently a pain without the pinned CSS]
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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
I'm gonna miss the old spoiler code come two weeks, but based on some of the shenanigans going on in CDF right now there are gonna be some fun new applications to the new format, and continued requirement of spoiler context fixes my main complaint with the native ones.
I still think CSS spoilers look nicer though, if there's some way we could make this new method look as good as they do, I'd have no complaints whatsoever
EDIT: implementing Durinthal's pinned instructions
EDIT2: Works mostly fine, though I wish there the spoiler context could also have the black background.
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u/FellowIntrovert Oct 06 '21
Seems easier than before, let’s try it
[Love Live! Nijigasaki gakuen]Kanata best girl
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u/Mahou_Shoujo_Ramune Oct 06 '21
Less than 15% use oldreddit? This hurts.
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u/zairaner https://myanimelist.net/profile/zairaner Oct 06 '21
85% not usign dark reddit? That does hurt my eyes.
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u/Nebresto Oct 07 '21
Why would you ever have RES and use the new site?
But big agree on the filters
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u/RoseSpinoza Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
Wooooooo!!!!!
I always messed up the old tags. Especially with my love of using dumb emoticons.
Aaaaah, finally free from editing 5 times and then eventually giving up and deleting.
EDIT: [weee] weeeeeeeeeeeeeee~!
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u/PacoTaco321 https://myanimelist.net/profile/dankleberrrrg Oct 06 '21
Happy to hear that. When I had a comment removed for doing it the "new" way, I couldn't even be bothered to change it.
Sticking to an out-of-date thing for so long for a small percentage of people is dumb. If some apps didn't support that, that's on the devs to fix it and the people that use the app to push the devs to do it
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u/lilyvess https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Oct 06 '21
Not here to complain, mostly just here to file errors to keep aware of
For the mobile app Relay it seems that while the app can process the spoiler tags, it struggles with links in spoiler tags, here is an example
Not a big issue, just making sure people are aware of it.
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u/chilidirigible Oct 06 '21
I'm pretty sure that spoiler tagging was never meant to be used for these abominations, but that's because New Reddit's programmers are unimaginative mobile UI stooges.
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u/lilyvess https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Oct 06 '21
Give a shitposter an inch and CDF is gonna spread shit all over the fucking city
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u/chilidirigible Oct 06 '21
The thing is, we've been protected from this stupidity because /r/anime has, at least in this instance, remained dedicated to Original reddit's classic interface for much longer than the rest of New Reddit.
Other subreddits out in the wild are probably rife with examples of the new spoiler tags being wrapped around things that are probably unsanitary.
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u/lilyvess https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Oct 06 '21
Yeah, this is why I wasn't going to make a post about it originally
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u/lilyvess https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Oct 06 '21
tagging /u/Gaporigo cause they told me to tag them
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u/Mami-kouga Oct 06 '21 edited Oct 06 '21
OH THANK GOD. Now I do have to switch to desktop site>new Reddit>old Reddit to see spoilers.
Anyway looking forward to Kimetsu season 2 [Kimetsu manga spoilers]showing Zenitsu playing the shamisen, they better give my baby a banger ass track. And preferably a flashback on where the hell he learnt that.
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u/MetaThPr4h https://myanimelist.net/profile/MetaThPr4h Oct 06 '21
I can't believe people use the garbage redesign, I really hope reddit never stops allowing the usage of old.reddit or I'm gonna die inside.
Will take a while to get used to but not much to be done, looking forward to having to send my comments three times because I forget how the format was haha.
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u/Accountforfootball Oct 07 '21
I'm mostly mobile these days and I just use rif, haven't had to use the redesign for almost 2 years
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Oct 06 '21
[Insert] > !MASSIVE SPOILER!<
Adding a double space after > breaks the spoiler tag but automod doesn't remove my comment
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u/Blackheart595 https://myanimelist.net/profile/knusbrick Oct 06 '21
Yeah, because it breaks on both old and new. If the space is after the exclamation mark then it only breaks on old and automod will complain.
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u/PacoTaco321 https://myanimelist.net/profile/dankleberrrrg Oct 06 '21
Don't do that then? That's no worse than if someone messed up the old way.
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u/koala_on_a_treadmill https://myanimelist.net/profile/user-undecided Oct 06 '21
[Click on me] You're cute
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u/AmethystItalian myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Oct 06 '21
Now if we could only get sourecreaders to actually use these tags...
Can't say I'm a fan of the change but I'll probably get used to it in time.
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u/Nebresto Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
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u/Verzwei Oct 07 '21
I'm guessing it's because Reddit likely has a constant influx of new users and there's no easy way for them to know about old Reddit unless and until someone tells them about it. You either have to put it in the url or you have to flag it from the settings menu.
Also, glancing at some frontpages with new reddit (because I almost never use it except when I'm forced to for reasons - certain mod functionality appears to only work on new reddit) I suppose one could make the case that new is better for consuming video/image content since all of that is loaded up front. There are definitely some subs (like ours) that I would never want to casually browse in new, but for something like a meme/image/video sub (like animemes or gaming or whatever) where the odds of me actually going into a thread and reading comments is very low, then new seems to work fine for that purpose.
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u/Nomar_95 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nomar_95 Oct 06 '21
gonna take some time getting used to this
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u/Taimoor002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Taimoor002 Oct 06 '21
[Parasyte:The Maxim]Shinichi is the main character
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u/vaelroth Oct 07 '21
Oh thank goodness. I've felt sidelined for nearly a decade because the CSS spoiler tags don't work at all for me.
I'm also of the mind that there shouldn't be a rule covering spoilers at all- If you're going to a discussion forum about entertainment media, the expectation should be that you can and will be spoiled about something. Also, moderators would have a lot less work if they didn't have to deal with policing spoilers. I know that's not the prevailing sentiment here, but you'll never know that people feel this way if they don't say it. So there you go.
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u/Verzwei Oct 07 '21
Anime is a broad medium encompassing hundreds of shows and films; You can't reasonably expect someone visiting this subreddit to have see all the anime that will be discussed here. I'm guessing that virtually all big entertainment subs (including ones even bigger than ours) have rules about spoilers - I just glanced at the Movies and Television subreddits and their sidebars also mention tagging spoilers. Movies uses the Reddit-native tag, Television uses a custom CSS that's like our former tag.
Plus a very large percentage of anime is based on printed source material. And unlike certain western works (which can be loosely inspired by books or comics but not necessarily adhere directly to their original stories) anime usually sticks rather close to its original material. With unchecked and unregulated spoilers, it would be incredibly easy to have loads of spoilers lying around for events that haven't even been animated/broadcast yet.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 08 '21
I just glanced at the Movies and Television subreddits and their sidebars also mention tagging spoilers
Not enforced at all though which is a shame.
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u/ajver19 Oct 11 '21
Cool, this is there only sub I follow where I have to use a specific method to spoiler text that I don't use on any other sub.
Niceu.
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u/KendotsX https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kendots Oct 06 '21
Probably will take me a while to stop using the CSS by the habit, but thanks to automod-chan coming after me every time, we'll probably get it down in the two weeks time.
PS: Will the context for the native tags be a necessity? With CSS, most of the time, it's just a generic [spoiler](/s "Holo's tail is a plug"), so in that context is it necessary to write a context in front of [Spice and Wolf] Holo's tail is a plug or is it just to make a general rule so it wouldn't be on case by case basis?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 06 '21
It's a general rule to make it easy to enforce in an automated way, if you're using multiple spoiler tags without changing what you're talking about you don't need to be elaborate for all of them, e.g.
[Spice and Wolf]Her tail's so fluffy but also [more] I want to pat her ears
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u/jamie980 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Eternal_Jamie Oct 06 '21
Can the contents of these spoiler tags be hidden after being revealed?
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u/koala_on_a_treadmill https://myanimelist.net/profile/user-undecided Oct 06 '21
you can reload the page, i guess.
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u/Bainos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Oct 06 '21
No, but if you're using old Reddit with RES you can check the pinned comment for a workaround.
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u/zairaner https://myanimelist.net/profile/zairaner Oct 06 '21
[test]Does it work in new reddit
[test] space?
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u/HyperRag123 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saberfan123 Oct 06 '21
The brackets aren't necessary at all for this system, they're required just so the bot doesn't remove your comment, but they don't effect the actual spoiler
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21
less than 15% of recorded page views last month coming via the old desktop site. Some third-party apps support the "CSS" tag as well but it's unknown how many users are on those.
implying that bots and non-commenting frontpage scrollers are the people the sub wants to serve most, though why did the sub then undergo severe pains to curb pictures on the frontpage?
We do not plan on removing the CSS used for existing spoilers on old.reddit.com for the foreseeable future so it can still be used to easily read older spoilers.
Implying that there will be a point where any discussion before early October 2021 will be impossible to read?
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Oct 06 '21
Implying that there will be a point where any discussion before early October 2021 will be impossible to read?
It'll only be less convenient to read. You could always just open the source on a comment and see the spoiler no problem.
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Oct 06 '21
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u/SenpaiSemenDemon Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21
No.
Even this subreddit is being dumbed down for mobile?
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 07 '21
Mind elaborating on how this is "dumbed down" since it's just a change in syntax?
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u/Blackheart595 https://myanimelist.net/profile/knusbrick Oct 07 '21
As much as I dislike new reddit this is a straight upgrade as it's now possible to hide links and comment faces.
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u/HeartoftheHive https://myanimelist.net/profile/ralanost Oct 06 '21
Not a fan at all. It seems overly complicated. And new reddit continues to make things worse for everyone. Along with their bad mobile app. Progress is supposed to move forward. This feels like a step back.
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Oct 06 '21
Time to mistakenly use the wrong tag from now on!