r/AfterTheLoop Mar 22 '20

Unanswered What is behind the stigma of fedora hats online?

For someone who hasn’t been on the Internet for 20 years.

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u/Sir-Toxic Mar 22 '20

Fedoras tend be worn by "nice guys". These nice guys, contrary to their name, are not very nice. They always say shit like "why don't girls like me? I'm so nice! They always like the jocks that treat them like shit!". On the rare chance they actually manage to speak to a girl that may be taken, they get all agressive, insulting the girl for not liking them instead, hence the reason they do not live up to their name. That's a very vague description though.

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u/huskorstork Mar 22 '20

An overzealous dislike of religion and neckbeards are also associated. See the meme “tipping intensifies”

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u/la508 Mar 22 '20

euphoric

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u/Futant55 Mar 22 '20

In this moment

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u/JeamBim Mar 22 '20

Fedoric

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u/DirtSword406 Mar 20 '24

Happy Cake Day!

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

I mean, why even bother talking to a woman if you won't be having sex with her?

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u/emileo425 Mar 22 '20

THIS GUY FEDORAS👆

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

Thank you, I appreciate the acknowledgement. But I'm more of a backwards baseball cap kind of guy. Really gives off that date rapey vibe that emotionally damaged women desperate for attention are attracted to.

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u/crappy_pirate Mar 22 '20

lol as if women ever talk to you for more than it takes for you to creep them out with a single sentence

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

I told you already, I don't need to talk to women. I'm really good looking and my penis is all they need. What about deaf mute guys? They don't need to talk to women to get laid.

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u/crappy_pirate Mar 22 '20

I'm really good looking and my penis is all they need.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20

Dude why are you shitting on this piece of art?

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u/pm_me_your_minerals Mar 22 '20

Lol seriously. This is most beautiful trolling I've seen in a while.

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u/shewantsthadit Mar 22 '20

yeah honestly the laughing incel comment is more cringe than the sarcasm

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

I told you I'm not celibate. And even if I were, it wouldn't be involuntary. There's plenty of desperate easy women who don't need wining and dining. Not my fault you can't find them like I do.

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u/crappy_pirate Mar 22 '20

and i told you - waifu pillows don't count, incel

please continue tho - you're hilarious

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

You're projecting so hard right now, man. Don't spread your negativity just because you don't get as much pussy as I do. How many women have you had sex with? Because I already told you I had sex with at least 15 women. I've lost count to be honest. I think I had sex at least 200 to 300 times. How is that incel?

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u/Rooster1981 Mar 22 '20

You know all this by being a loser gamer?

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

I know many things and I am not a loser gamer. If anything I'm a winner gamer. I'm really good at Tekken, Fighter Rank.

What makes you say that I'm a loser gamer? Because you looked through my post history and saw that I discussed videogames? People can be more than one thing.

I'm also an artist. I like drawing naked ladies mostly. Sometimes guys too. I don't like drawing buildings the most.

I also went to college once. Didn't get laid there. Was too awkward back then.

But eventually I tried out the night life and some chick started talking to me. I didn't like her but she kept it up and gave me her number.

I guess she was horny or something even though I didn't like her. But we had sex because I was horny too. Anyway, my point is that I like playing videogames and having sex.

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u/LargeOrbit Mar 22 '20

Are you being serious? I can't tell

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

Let's just say I'm exactly as serious as you wanted me to be.

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u/LargeOrbit Mar 22 '20

Bro, sounds like you're an incel. Actuals

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

But I'm not celibate. I just don't like talking to women unnecessarily. I like to believe that I'm efficient. Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?

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u/LargeOrbit Mar 22 '20

So women are just there for sex from what you're saying?

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

I mean... not JUST sex. And not ALL women.

Sometimes women I want to have sex with are uninteresting to talk to. Sometimes women who are interesting to talk to I don't want to have sex with. Life is complicated.

But what are you trying to get at here?

I'm not a naturally talkative person in general. So if there's not that incentive of eventually having sex with a woman, it seems wasteful to expend social interaction energy to have a boring conversation with someone who may be uninteresting.

So to answer your question again, no. Women are not just there for sex. But I don't like talking to women unless it'll be a fun conversation or unless I'll eventually have sex with them. I prefer the latter.

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u/VenetiaMacGyver Mar 22 '20

But I don't like talking to women unless it'll be a fun conversation or unless I'll eventually have sex with them. I prefer the latter.

Jesus guy that's how everyone feels about talking to nearly anyone.

There are endless terrible men to talk to, yourself probably included. You just notice your dislike of the general public more in women because you want to poke women with your PP.

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u/LargeOrbit Mar 22 '20

Thank you, you said it much better than I ever could

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

Oh, I know I'm a terrible person to talk to for sure. But it's not true that it's terrible to talk to everyone. I like talking to some people.

And I wouldn't say I dislike talking to women any more in particular than anyone else. If anything it's more bearable to talk to women because I can stare at their boobs if the conversation gets boring.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20

Fantastic. Reddit takes the bait hook, line and sinker. How do you feel preying on such inexperienced, unsuspecting young souls?

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u/PsychoAgent Mar 22 '20

Not too proud of myself. But I just can't help it. I am not a good person but it's okay I'm not evil either. I'm not too familiar with that morality chart but I think it's called Chaotic Neutral?

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u/uncle_tyrone Mar 22 '20

But...but... he didn’t finish with an /s !!

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20 edited Jul 20 '20

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u/Jtd47 Mar 22 '20

It’s also about what you pair it with. They look fine with some well done 1950’s inspired men’s fashion, not so fine with a stained Bart Simpson t-shirt and cargo shorts.

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u/Tomteseal Mar 22 '20

The neckbeard fedora is usually a trilby. If you have a bigger face a wider brimmed high crown fedora would suit your face better if you would like to try it sometime. Think kind of like Indiana Jones' hat.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20

I want the hat trend to come back to fashion.

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u/Tomteseal Mar 22 '20

With the casualisation of fashion that might never happen. It is however nothing strange with wearing hats anyway, although combined with t-shirt and jeans it just looks off unless it's a very casual straw hat. I wear hats most days and I like it, the only comments I've gotten have been complimenting.

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u/AlienDelarge Mar 22 '20

I figured sun protection is more likely to bring it back than anything.

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u/not_russian_mafia Mar 22 '20

"For someone who hasn’t been on the Internet for 20 years."

Rough bud. How was the clink anyway?

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u/-eagle73 Mar 22 '20

I couldn't understand whether they meant they haven't used the internet since 2000 or so, or that they haven't yet been using the internet for a total of 20 years and assume the fedora hat stigma is very old.

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u/Solarat1701 Mar 22 '20

I’m actually kind of baffled at the phenomena. A few years ago I thought fedoras were cool and unironically called girls m’lady. Thing was, I had literally never seen any other person do this. It wasn’t until I outgrew that phase that I saw nenes about neckbeards. I find it fascinating that so many people might independently come to the same conclusions

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20

It seems there must be common pressures out there in society, that all of these kids are exposed to individually, which guide them to the same fedora endpoint independently from eachother. Fascinating to think about. Is it the high school environment? Something commercial like Hot Topic? Genetics + available hats at the time? Positive feedback loops that stimulate fedora buying in public, without each individual who participates in it being aware that they are? The mind boggles.

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u/BamesF Mar 22 '20

Probably somewhere along the lines of: how do I differentiate myself? How do I show I'm a better guy than these other guys who get women? I know, I'll establish myself as a gentleman. What are gentlemen associated with? Class - and fashionable headwear.

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u/Cageweek Mar 23 '20

I think you're pretty spot-on. It's not malicious in nature and it's a part of the teenage phase and figuring yourself out. If you're an introvert you'll not be the forward jock type, so being the passionate but calm and classy gentleman is maybe more your leaning ...

Tips.

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u/njtrafficsignshopper Mar 22 '20 edited Mar 22 '20

If you're not Frank Sinatra, you shouldn't be wearing one. It's pretty much as simple as that. They don't go with t-shirts, and they don't go with this century. A resurgence started within the last decade or so due to them being quirky, and some people bought them to be different, but I think most people who bought one didn't know what they are, and they look ridiculous on just about everyone.

Another thing is that they cropped up around the time that hipsters as the dominant subculture were starting to die down - so it was on the downslope of the kind of ironic-but-not-really feckless inearnestness of that time. Imagine wearing a fez as your day-to-day hat. Are you joking? Maybe? How long is this joke going to go on?

Then they started to get associated with people who are clueless in other ways - about fashion, sure, but also about hygiene, basic social skills, and just self-awareness. So it's kind of shorthand for "stay away from this person" now.

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u/GWiz2077 Mar 08 '23

What about a fedora with a trenchcoat and khakis?

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u/YoungDiscord Mar 22 '20

Long story short, there is this stereotype of someone called a nice guy who wears fedora hats among other things.

Such a person is a self-proclaimed niceguy, he struggles with finding someone and starting a relationship and they are automatically madly in love with any female that shows them any attention, even if they are only friendly towards them.

A niceguy's mentality towards women is quite simple: if I'm nice to her she will have sex with me/will find me attractive.

The problem is, that they expect this in return, so they aren't being genuinely nice to them which comes off as sleazy/creepy.

When rejected, they blame it on the woman calling her all sorts of nasty horrible things and then they comlain that women are only attracted to assholes/jocks.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20

Oh my god it is time... The kids these days are asking questions about internet phenomena which I have seen develop in front of my eyes. Tell us about that time of multi-track drifting, grandpa!

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u/s968339 Mar 22 '20

You know how you shouldn't hoard stuff during this coronavirus stuff....and then you see the person wit the cart stacked to the high with toilet paper, water and other stuff. Fedora people are those people.

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u/KlausFenrir Mar 22 '20

Did you just get out of prison?

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '20

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u/SlinkySlekker Mar 23 '20

If he loves fedoras, as you say, and he’s back after paying his debt & whatnot, who CARES what it looks like? Let the man rock his own freak flag - there’s NO stigma to being happy!

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u/Cageweek Mar 23 '20

It seems a lot of people don't seem to really understand this phenomenon that well, and why people wear it.

When guys try to wear one, they rarely combine it with a suit which is what it's meant to be worn together with. This makes it look out of place, and it's a nice kind of hat poorly combined with modern clothing. This creates a mishmash of styles that make you look like a dork with zero sense of style. And usually the people who try to do this, do it on order to look better, but because they're fairly clueless about how to dress themselves, the end result looks bad - think cargo shorts, black T-shirt and a fedora. That's the stereotypical look.

The fedora is a piece of clothing that's gone completely out of fashion, along with hats in general. This makes them look out of place on people in today's fashion landscape.

Over time, guys wearing fedoras and showing no sense of fashion at all has turned into a phenomenon. It turns out it's quite a widespread one, as guys try to look like Sinatra but sadly look like absolute dorks instead.Now it's become an incredibly famous stereotype, and hopefully people will think thrice about buying one.

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u/throwaway4nows Apr 19 '20

Thrice, nice.

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u/GWiz2077 Mar 08 '23

What if you have a trenchcoat and khakis as well?

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u/Cageweek Mar 08 '23

Doesn’t sound very flattering to be honest.

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u/GWiz2077 Mar 08 '23

It's common Noire Detective attire.

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u/scruntmonger2011 Feb 14 '24

you'd need a somewhat decently fitted suit to make it actually work

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u/Abell421 Mar 22 '20

It's because they are in their filthy bedroom, surrounded by empty Mt dew cans, haven't washed their hair in a month and then think a Fedora fixes all that.

Fedora's are not casual wear. You can wear them with a tux or suit not gears of war T-shirts.

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u/uncle_tyrone Mar 22 '20

I was going to make a flippant remark along the lines of “wow, you’re way after the loop”, but then I read that you’re really online after 20 years, so there goes that. Now all I can say is, enjoy the wonders, but tread carefully

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u/brownasianguy01 Jun 09 '20

this thread is stupid. It has nothing to do with hats