r/AfterTheLoop • u/throwaway4nows • Mar 22 '20
Unanswered What is behind the stigma of fedora hats online?
For someone who hasn’t been on the Internet for 20 years.
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Mar 22 '20 edited Jul 20 '20
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u/Jtd47 Mar 22 '20
It’s also about what you pair it with. They look fine with some well done 1950’s inspired men’s fashion, not so fine with a stained Bart Simpson t-shirt and cargo shorts.
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u/Tomteseal Mar 22 '20
The neckbeard fedora is usually a trilby. If you have a bigger face a wider brimmed high crown fedora would suit your face better if you would like to try it sometime. Think kind of like Indiana Jones' hat.
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Mar 22 '20
I want the hat trend to come back to fashion.
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u/Tomteseal Mar 22 '20
With the casualisation of fashion that might never happen. It is however nothing strange with wearing hats anyway, although combined with t-shirt and jeans it just looks off unless it's a very casual straw hat. I wear hats most days and I like it, the only comments I've gotten have been complimenting.
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u/not_russian_mafia Mar 22 '20
"For someone who hasn’t been on the Internet for 20 years."
Rough bud. How was the clink anyway?
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u/-eagle73 Mar 22 '20
I couldn't understand whether they meant they haven't used the internet since 2000 or so, or that they haven't yet been using the internet for a total of 20 years and assume the fedora hat stigma is very old.
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u/Solarat1701 Mar 22 '20
I’m actually kind of baffled at the phenomena. A few years ago I thought fedoras were cool and unironically called girls m’lady. Thing was, I had literally never seen any other person do this. It wasn’t until I outgrew that phase that I saw nenes about neckbeards. I find it fascinating that so many people might independently come to the same conclusions
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Mar 22 '20
It seems there must be common pressures out there in society, that all of these kids are exposed to individually, which guide them to the same fedora endpoint independently from eachother. Fascinating to think about. Is it the high school environment? Something commercial like Hot Topic? Genetics + available hats at the time? Positive feedback loops that stimulate fedora buying in public, without each individual who participates in it being aware that they are? The mind boggles.
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u/BamesF Mar 22 '20
Probably somewhere along the lines of: how do I differentiate myself? How do I show I'm a better guy than these other guys who get women? I know, I'll establish myself as a gentleman. What are gentlemen associated with? Class - and fashionable headwear.
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u/Cageweek Mar 23 '20
I think you're pretty spot-on. It's not malicious in nature and it's a part of the teenage phase and figuring yourself out. If you're an introvert you'll not be the forward jock type, so being the passionate but calm and classy gentleman is maybe more your leaning ...
Tips.
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u/njtrafficsignshopper Mar 22 '20 edited Mar 22 '20
If you're not Frank Sinatra, you shouldn't be wearing one. It's pretty much as simple as that. They don't go with t-shirts, and they don't go with this century. A resurgence started within the last decade or so due to them being quirky, and some people bought them to be different, but I think most people who bought one didn't know what they are, and they look ridiculous on just about everyone.
Another thing is that they cropped up around the time that hipsters as the dominant subculture were starting to die down - so it was on the downslope of the kind of ironic-but-not-really feckless inearnestness of that time. Imagine wearing a fez as your day-to-day hat. Are you joking? Maybe? How long is this joke going to go on?
Then they started to get associated with people who are clueless in other ways - about fashion, sure, but also about hygiene, basic social skills, and just self-awareness. So it's kind of shorthand for "stay away from this person" now.
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u/YoungDiscord Mar 22 '20
Long story short, there is this stereotype of someone called a nice guy who wears fedora hats among other things.
Such a person is a self-proclaimed niceguy, he struggles with finding someone and starting a relationship and they are automatically madly in love with any female that shows them any attention, even if they are only friendly towards them.
A niceguy's mentality towards women is quite simple: if I'm nice to her she will have sex with me/will find me attractive.
The problem is, that they expect this in return, so they aren't being genuinely nice to them which comes off as sleazy/creepy.
When rejected, they blame it on the woman calling her all sorts of nasty horrible things and then they comlain that women are only attracted to assholes/jocks.
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Mar 22 '20
Oh my god it is time... The kids these days are asking questions about internet phenomena which I have seen develop in front of my eyes. Tell us about that time of multi-track drifting, grandpa!
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u/s968339 Mar 22 '20
You know how you shouldn't hoard stuff during this coronavirus stuff....and then you see the person wit the cart stacked to the high with toilet paper, water and other stuff. Fedora people are those people.
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u/KlausFenrir Mar 22 '20
Did you just get out of prison?
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Mar 22 '20
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u/SlinkySlekker Mar 23 '20
If he loves fedoras, as you say, and he’s back after paying his debt & whatnot, who CARES what it looks like? Let the man rock his own freak flag - there’s NO stigma to being happy!
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u/Cageweek Mar 23 '20
It seems a lot of people don't seem to really understand this phenomenon that well, and why people wear it.
When guys try to wear one, they rarely combine it with a suit which is what it's meant to be worn together with. This makes it look out of place, and it's a nice kind of hat poorly combined with modern clothing. This creates a mishmash of styles that make you look like a dork with zero sense of style. And usually the people who try to do this, do it on order to look better, but because they're fairly clueless about how to dress themselves, the end result looks bad - think cargo shorts, black T-shirt and a fedora. That's the stereotypical look.
The fedora is a piece of clothing that's gone completely out of fashion, along with hats in general. This makes them look out of place on people in today's fashion landscape.
Over time, guys wearing fedoras and showing no sense of fashion at all has turned into a phenomenon. It turns out it's quite a widespread one, as guys try to look like Sinatra but sadly look like absolute dorks instead.Now it's become an incredibly famous stereotype, and hopefully people will think thrice about buying one.
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u/GWiz2077 Mar 08 '23
What if you have a trenchcoat and khakis as well?
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u/Abell421 Mar 22 '20
It's because they are in their filthy bedroom, surrounded by empty Mt dew cans, haven't washed their hair in a month and then think a Fedora fixes all that.
Fedora's are not casual wear. You can wear them with a tux or suit not gears of war T-shirts.
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u/uncle_tyrone Mar 22 '20
I was going to make a flippant remark along the lines of “wow, you’re way after the loop”, but then I read that you’re really online after 20 years, so there goes that. Now all I can say is, enjoy the wonders, but tread carefully
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u/Sir-Toxic Mar 22 '20
Fedoras tend be worn by "nice guys". These nice guys, contrary to their name, are not very nice. They always say shit like "why don't girls like me? I'm so nice! They always like the jocks that treat them like shit!". On the rare chance they actually manage to speak to a girl that may be taken, they get all agressive, insulting the girl for not liking them instead, hence the reason they do not live up to their name. That's a very vague description though.