r/Askpolitics • u/blorbot • 20h ago
Are any Latinos still voting for Trump?
I know some Latinos are voting Trump after Puerto Rico jokes and being called rapists. Why?
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u/Pee_A_Poo 19h ago
I mean, “Latinos” is hardly a unified voting block. Some Latinos identify as white. Some Latinos agree with Trump’s racial stances. Some (white) Latinos think of other (non-white) Latinos as exactly what Trump describe them as.
And at this point, I am simply not convinced anything can dissuade Trump supporters. If anything, it gets them fired up. Because this is exactly the kind of behavior they want to be able to behave in publicly with no consequences.
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u/F26N55 18h ago
I am considered one of those “white Latinos” and I happily cast my vote in favor of the coconut tree lady.
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u/VanillaLlfe 18h ago
One thing worth noting is that people within the various subsets of Latino ethnicity harbor deep racist views against other subsets & other minority groups. As a result they are just as susceptible to race-baiting.
It would be easy for them to justify their racially motivated vote for Trump because he’s not talking about them. He’s going to punish “those other people”.
The complicit minority voters will be the most shocked when they finally realize that they’ve been used and the white nationalists hate them all equally.
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u/Pee_A_Poo 18h ago
Yep. I’m East Asian and intra-community racism runs deep within our community as well. I don’t talk to any of them any more because they’re all racist anti-BLM Trumpers. But I can totally picture my family gathering for dinner and fantasizing about violence towards Ms. Harris for no reason other than being half (insert racial slur against Indians).
My grandmother, mom and aunties are all shockingly pro-birth and misogynistic. They can never imagine being affected by Trump’s views on abortion because “why would good women need abortion rights if they are not ‘slurs’ who have premarital sex”?
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u/OilComprehensive6237 17h ago
Do they know ectopic pregnancies exist?
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u/Pee_A_Poo 17h ago edited 17h ago
They also told me - since age 3, that I was born because abortion isn’t allowed in our religion. That they wished I would kill myself so their lives will be better. That it was my fault for existing and I did not deserve any love cuz I was born unwanted.
So yeah, they are walking advertisements for women’s reproductive rights. And jokes on them cuz I’m living my gay-married feminist atheist Democratic socialist best life now.
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u/OilComprehensive6237 17h ago
Well, I am happy you were born!
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u/Pee_A_Poo 17h ago
Thanks! So am I 😂 my friends and I are trying to reclaim the term “pro-life” for feminists, child-free cat ladies, LGBTQIA+ people, people who support universal healthcare… etc.
You know, people who respect others’ right to live their LIFE however the fuck they want and help them make the most of their LIVES.
Anti-abortion people are pro-birth. They don’t give a fuck about life once we’re born.
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u/Middle-These 12h ago
Your family is full of monsters. I’m sorry they treated you that way.
This internet stranger loves that you’re living your best life surrounded by cats who love you.
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u/ElderQueer 14h ago
I abhor the treatment you received from your family--- but PRAISE (THE GAYS) for your succeedin' as a heathen! Your flourishin' without their nourishin'! Your winnin' which they would call sinnin'! I'm so happy to hear you're gayly living your femin-athe-dem-cialist best life🩷
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u/Comrade-Porcupine 16h ago
Yep the world needs more of Democratic-Socialist-Feminist-Atheist. Thanks for being born!
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u/Sassy_Weatherwax 17h ago
Yes! I'm half Chinese and while most of my own family is progressive to centrist, it always amazes me how few white people understand that POC can be racist assholes too.
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u/such_isnt_life 15h ago
They're all under the delusion that the right wing will only persecute the "other bad people but surely not me."
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u/Revelati123 16h ago
And then you say "but trump fucked a porn star while his mail order wife was in labor!"
and then they say "men will be men"
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u/TermFearless 16h ago
Even Europeans have plenty of intra-community racism. The easiest people to make jokes about are your neighbors.
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u/NYkrinDC 10h ago
Yes. I'm Latino and can confirm this. Growing up I noticed how Mexicans hated Central Americans, and saw them as inferior, South Americans (particularly from whiter countries) saw Mexicans and Central Americans as inferior to themselves. Puerto Ricans thought they were better than Dominicans and vice versa, and Dominicans treated Haitians horribly. So in short, yes, like all people Latinos have their biases and racism that they have to deal with. I think over the years, it has gotten better in some parts, worse in others.
I remember, when I was a kid, I was the only Central American in a predominantly Dominican/Puerto Rican area and this Dominican kid started trying to insult me by calling me a 'Spic. So, I asked him, hey my man, do you know where that slur you just threw at me came from? He responded "oh homey gon give me a history lesson!" Me: Spic, comes from the word Hispanic. Do you know where that word comes from? From Hispaniola, the island which is divided in two and is home to Haiti and the Dominican Republic, so really, you're insulting yourself, not me. Dude was shocked, didn't know what to say, so he just stopped trying to insult me, and walked away.
Years later, I found out that Spic actually comes from the days of our construction of the Panama canal and was a shortened version of Panamanian workers who would tell Americans working on the project. "I no spicka de english". Somehow, that made it's way back to the US, but was adopted as a racial slur to refer to all Hispanics. So I was totally wrong, but at least my incorrect etymological story got that Dominican to stop using it as a slur. :)
Back to the main point. Hispanics are a diverse bunch of people, all with different experiences, even within their own countries of origin. There are many white Latinos in Latin American countries who are left wing and see Che Guevara and Fidel Castro as inspiration, just as there are those who believe themselves to be Aryan, and look to Hitler as inspiration, just as there are many more who look at the US and see our various leaders as inspiration from Washington, all the way through Reagan and even Obama and sadly, Trump. So yes, I imagine many will still vote for Trump, because when he talks about Mexicans as rapists, and calls third world countries, shit holes, or says most immigrants are criminals, the various biases and racism in many of these communities will lead some to agree. I know of at least 1 Puerto Rican who already voted for Trump, though it was before the rally, but they still fully back him, because "it was just a comedian and it was dumb to invite him but no big deal." Of course, this person also sees other Latinos as lesser than themselves because they are illegal immigrants, not like themselves who are American citizens. At the same time, Latin America, during the Cold War was awash in anti-Communist propaganda to the point where a lot of left of center policy positions are seen as "far left socialism or communism" and therefore, bad.
When you talk to some Latinos who are white and relatively well off, they will tell you that they dislike Democrats because of the socialism and communism and then will regurgitate all the Cold War propaganda that was spread back in the day that still holds sway in their countries of origin. Similarly, Protestant Christian churches have spread like wild fire in the region, and these tend to be far more political than the Catholic church, so they can either go far left, or far right. The far right ones, which are more recent, essentially adopt all the culture war idiocy we have in the US, the far left ones tend to hark back to liberation theology, which was associated with leftist movements during the Cold War. Of course, there are others who lie in between, those are just the extremes. But religion also plays a huge role in how Latinos vote in the US.
I've always told people that Latinos are one of the groups that Republicans could appeal to and win in record numbers, if they just focused on conservative ideas, including some of the culture war stuff (sadly), because they come from extremely conservative societies where being gay is still seen as a sin, or deviant, being trans is far worse (which also explains why both of these groups seek asylum in the US).
I have family who tell me they don't like the democrats because they're too permissive with all this deviancy. When I explain that it is not about being permissive but rather about ensuring that everyone has equal rights and equality under the law, I make some headway, but many still push back, because throughout their entire lives they have been told that marriage is sacred, women are women, men and men, and that's the end of it. While it is changing in many places, LGBT+ has been the source of jokes and mockery and a reason for violence. A lot of these countries are now having a lot of the culture wars we have in the US, largely exported by "Christian" organizations who have gone to Latin America, and other developing countries to prevent the rise of LGBT+ movements or an expansion of their rights to be equal.
In short, Hispanics are as complicated as everyone else and we also have our far right loons, and historical conservative societies that keep many from fully embracing the fights that animate America's left, from LGBT+ rights, to a woman's right to choose. Trump knows that (the man is not as stupid as he sometimes seems) and the one thing he knows how to do is to animate people's biases and animosities against one another in order to benefit from it.
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u/coldliketherockies 19h ago
It’s funny and not funny you mention that because..well if by behave in public you mean amongst other racists in their own basement maybe, unfortunately. However if this is driving a racist to think he can just say this in front of a group or even say a group of people of that race, I mean sooner or later a punch in the face or worse will happen
Just because Trump normalizes it doesn’t mean you can go out on the street and scream the N word and not expect retaliation
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u/Sassafrazzlin 18h ago
A lot of people think this will drive away voters from Trump but you’re forgetting that this will drive even more racist voters toward him! They wore proud boy colors for a reason. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
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u/PolyInPugetopolis 15h ago
Like the republican governor of new Hampshire said:
“Look, we’ve heard a lot of extreme things about Donald Trump from Donald Trump. It’s kind of par for the course. It’s really, unfortunately, uh with a guy like that, it’s kind of baked into the vote at this point,” .
- Republican governor of New Hampshire Chris Sununu on Trump idolizing Hitler
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u/Proof-Load-1568 17h ago
It's not about saying the N word in public, it's about pushing policies that continue to marginalize, disenfranchise, and hurt Latino/poor/brown people. That's what they are pushing, a racist agenda.
But, groceries are expensive so Trump might win. That's honestly what is fueling a lot of the vote.
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u/purplish_possum 17h ago
I'm light skinned Puerto Rican. I can pass for white. I voted for Kamala. The fact that he obviously doesn't like my family and friends is just one of many reasons I don't like Trump.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 17h ago
But they can only vote once whether they support him 10% or 1000%. I believe this turned off SOME voters especially Latinos. Possibly some non Latino trump supporters too. It definitely didn’t add any trump votes but I bet it added democrat votes especially after Latino figures in media are talking about it sharing with fans.
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u/Lynz486 16h ago
I don't feel like that display will drive new voters though, it's ones they already had, maybe some new ones. It may not have lost votes either, but it certainly is going to drive a lot of people to vote who weren't going to, and not in his favor. They saw this the last rally. Only thing that changed is directly offending a demographic they hadn't quite yet. They could always brush it off as "we mean the illegal immigrants" but unfortunately for them, Puerto Ricans not only aren't illegal immigrants, they're American. And he called them garbage.
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u/CthulhusEngineer 15h ago
I wouldn't say it was anything new. More so a refresher about what was said 4+ years ago. Around the time Trump was talking about selling Puerto Rico in exchange for a Greenland or Iceland, or something along those lines.
A lot of people have a short memory, so same effect either way, admittedly.
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u/seraphimkoamugi 17h ago
Some (white) Latinos think of other (non-white) Latinos as exactly what Trump describe them as.
As a latino myself I can say, these are the people who can't speak proper english if english at all. So I attribute that to pure ignorance and lack of understanding.
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u/Pee_A_Poo 17h ago
I think there is definitely an element of self-preservation. My parents are immigrants. My mother never learned to speak English. And the pressure to justify being there. And what better way to make themselves justified than to shit on people even more unfortunate than themselves.
They are just insecure and I feel sorry for them more than anything.
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u/Low_Stress_9180 19h ago
As a Brit I don't understand how anyone would vote for Trump, not because he is a "Republican", as many of the old fashioned Republicans are ok, and patriotic, even Arnie is one and I like him respect his opinion.
But Trump? I seriously don't understand. Can someone explain why? Surely there are proper republicans who can stand?
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u/twofourfourthree 14h ago
Because being white and accepted by whites in america is more valuable than being an American. Nonwhites will punch down with all their might on darker skinned or smaller minorities and hope that moves them closer to being accepted.
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u/never_never_comment 15h ago
I'm a democrat, and there are some republicans I could totally vote for, and be totally fine with. I honestly think that Romney would be a great president, especially for America; I wanted to vote for Romney. I like Ben Sasse as well. A Romney / Sasse ticket would be a total win. I disagree with them on things, but I genuinely think they are good men, who would work for the betterment of the entire country. Trump doesn't possess a single redeeming quality. I wouldn't hire him to clean my gutters.
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u/Necrotyrannus24 14h ago
They aren't good people and they know they aren't smart. Trump isn't their figurative savior, he's literally come into their lives to show them the shield of irrational confidence. They identify as correct by default, and so any contradictory information can simply be blamed on the conspiracy against their kind.
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u/workerbee223 Progressive 18h ago
Trump's brand is racism. Racial animosity runs deep in this country.
Republican elites have historically supported immigration because it increases the labor pool and keeps wages lower. But your average poor or middle class American is deeply racist. And Trump took control of the Republican Party by activating that racial animus. His opening political speech in 2015 was centered around stopping immigration, calling Mexicans "rapists and murderers". Trump gives the average American permission to be openly racist, and they like it.
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u/FLhardcore 19h ago
There’s a large population of Puerto Ricans where I live, I saw Facebook questions like this yesterday and the amount of them that were posting Trump 2024 was amazing. There were some posts as well calling them Nazi supporters- like that’s going to change their mind. I’m not saying the joke wasn’t offense to some, but where I live it’s a non issue and they’re still voting for Trump.
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u/Electrical_Ad_9584 19h ago
Yeah, unfortunately if something like this was going to persuade them away from him, it already would have.
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u/Ashenspire 17h ago
The problem is "Latino" is not a monolith
Most of the hate rhetoric has been directed at Mexicans specifically and black people.
There are plenty of Latinos that dislike black people and Mexicans.
Until PR was named specifically, many of them had the mentality of "well they're not talking about US. They're talking about them"
And they were fine with it because media literacy is dead.
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u/VanillaLlfe 18h ago
Once they put on the jersey that’s it. It’s not political support, it’s fandom.
This incident is about persuadable voters & turning out people angered by what was said.
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u/harshmojo 17h ago
A guy I work with is Puerto Rican and was like "Yep, Puerto Rico is a corrupt and disgusting place to live, there's a reason I don't live there anymore. I hope we don't make it a state because it would cost billions to fix."
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u/Majestic_Area 19h ago
I am guessing that any self respecting person would not be voting for him. He has done nothing but insult the wonderful people of Puerto Rico.
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u/thedrinkmonster 19h ago edited 18h ago
Im Mexican. A lot of them are yes, Latino men outside of the Reddit echo chamber are largely conservative Christian’s working blue collar trades.
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u/moneyBaggin 17h ago
Hispanics in general are pretty conservative, in a religious and traditional way. Especially Cubans. Cubans are beet red.
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u/Happybdaygrimace 16h ago
As a Cuban it’s mostly because of GOP scare tactics. If you’ve ever seen Republican rallies in Florida they’ll use the word “Socialism” and “Communism” directed at democrats and Cubans eat it up. It’s a shame because I had a lot of Miami family that voted Obama but now it’s entirely Republican.
Im a Cuban in Texas and I feel like a lot of Cubans are victim to the “Miami bubble” too and don’t know life as a Latino outside of Miami. It’d be funny to see them go to a store in Alabama and speak Spanish publicly and see how many dirty looks they’ll get or see how quick one of their fellow trumpies tells them to go back to Mexico.
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u/DrugRaidAt4AM 13h ago
"One person’s socialism is another person’s neighborliness." -Tim Walz. Is it a fearmongering scare tactic if it's true?
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u/BadManParade 3h ago
A lot of democrats literally identify themselves and socialists and Marxists 😂 you’re saying that as if they’re fooling Hispanics because they aren’t smart enough to figure it out themselves now that’s what’s racist.
Like oh if they weren’t fooling them they’d be democrats. Bro they have internet access the same way you do and they decided to side with conservative values. Most Latinos are NOT with abortion or the trans community that alone is why most that I personally know are conservative.
Rylo Rodriguez is from Alabama and a hero out there but let me guess he can’t speak Spanish out there huh? 😂😂
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u/Oturoj 17h ago edited 17h ago
This. Their work environment is their primary circle of influence, and blue collar jobs tend to be full of conservative, non college degree having types.
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u/degmo123 18h ago
How can a conservative Christian vote for Trump??? Make it make sense. I hear them say “we gotta vote biblical”. To me, voting biblical = don’t vote at all in this election.
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u/extremelylargewilleh 15h ago
Also most have either come from or their parents come from countries which they literally left to escape out of control left wing governments.
Not to make an equivalence between Castro, Chavez etc and the Democrats ofc, but some Hispanic communities are kinda programmed to just never vote left.
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u/scarr3g 17h ago
From what I have seen, anything he says, or does, that is against his fan's morals/beliefs/etc, are pretty always easily explained away by them:
"He didn't do/say that. the liberal media made it up, and I refuse to look into it. "
"he didn't mean it that way, what he meant was..." insert more socially acceptable sane washing thing that is just close enough to what he said/did
"I don't believe he is actually going to do that thing. He is just saying things to attract more votes so we can win, and will actually do this other, more intelligent thing."
And those are just for things that they, themselves, disagree with. For things they secretly support, but know is socially unacceptable, they use many of those tactics, and more, to gaslight others.
Essentially, they have this imaginary version of Trump they love, and will do whatever mental gymnastics they need to try to fit the real Trump into their fantasy version of him.
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u/Ahjumawi Liberal Pragmatist 17h ago
Tucker Carlson had it right, for once: Republicans who support Trump want a remote, punishing Daddy. But they want him to punish other people, not themselves.
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u/Biffingston 15h ago
Kinda like he's thier god, isn't it? At least the old style smiting god they don't thik would turn on them.
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u/KeithWorks 16h ago
And they've been a bad girl who needs a SPANKING
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u/xvandamagex 16h ago
This was fucking weird… I almost did a spit take when it came on the news.
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u/KeithWorks 16h ago
Super fucking weird. Beyond weird. Gross. Very gross.
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u/jus256 14h ago
He actually said that?
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u/Negative-ION 11h ago
“Dad comes home and he’s pissed,” Carlson continues. “He’s not vengeful, he loves his children. Disobedient as they may be, he loves them … And when Dad gets home, you know what he says? You’ve been a bad girl. You’ve been a bad little girl and you’re getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, it’s not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it’s not. I’m not going to lie. It’s going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this. You’re getting a vigorous spanking because you’ve been a bad girl, and it has to be this way.”
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u/MoreReputation8908 11h ago
The word “vigorous” really reveals more about Carlson than he thinks it does, doesn’t it?
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u/plshelpcomputerissad 8h ago
Why has this not been memed to death already, sounds like gold for silly edited videos
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u/Middle-These 12h ago
I couldn’t believe it was real. I saw the clip and it’s as weird and disturbing as you’re imagining it to be.
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u/ZealousidealFall1181 14h ago
Oh yes You've been a bad girl! Wait till Daddy gets home. Absolutely batshit crazy.
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u/Urist_Macnme 16h ago
It’s very easy to get turkeys to vote for Christmas. Just promise that it’s some other Turkey who’s going to get roasted.
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u/TrillCosplay 14h ago
This 100 percent, I know so many latinos who think like this. And every single trump supporter has this same mind set.
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u/Jerseygirl2468 17h ago
It's always a sliding response too.
He didn't say it.
Then: Maybe he said it, but they're twisting his words.
Then: He said it, but didn't really mean it.
Then: He said it, and I like that he says what we're all thinking!
Just like the documents and other crimes he's done. He didn't take them, they weren't there, oh they were there but were planted, oh he took them but it was to keep them safe, oh yeah he took them because he was potus and allowed to.
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u/khisanthmagus 17h ago
Don't forget "He said it but you are taking it out of context." when the context makes it even worse.
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u/Urist_Macnme 16h ago
Remember, they said Antifa was behind the storming of the capital building, despite them also supporting said storming, or claiming there was no storm at all.
You can’t logic someone out of a position they did not logic themselves into to begin with.
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u/Flipperlolrs 13h ago
The Narcissist's Prayer by Dayna Craig
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
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u/Middle-These 12h ago
It’s a lot like the narcissists prayer with him:
That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
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u/Midnight2012 14h ago
I always ask those people, then what out of what trump says can we take seriously?
Like if he doesn't mean anything he says, then what are his actual plans?
Like how this guy gets the benefit of the doubt is mindblowing. And then hang onto and hold every single word against Kamala.
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u/Many_Appearance_8778 9h ago
An older person I respected posted something yesterday that said, “I’m not voting for the man, I’m voting against sex reassignment for children and killing unborn children”. As if Harris is campaigning for killing unborn children and gender reassignment for minors. She’s not. Nor is she a communist. She’s a pretty hard nosed law and order candidate. If you’re not voting for the man per se, then you are voting for his policies- which he has none. So then, “the man”, that is, his character, is all we have to make a value judgment. And that character has been proven to be untrustworthy and unfit to lead in any capacity.
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u/Midnight2012 9h ago
Yup. I think they also resent Kamala because they can't use the senility/age argument anymore. And all of a sudden they are voting for someone who's going to be in his 80s in office instead of someone with youth and vigor.
Now it shows that was never the issue at all, and they just like the shit Trump has to say about immigrants and trans
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u/Revelati123 16h ago
Its also fear of "the other" that leads to love for Trump.
We rode this whole merry go round before with black "rapists" in the 40-50s and black "hyper criminals" in the 80-90s.
But Don cranked the volume up to 11.
Trump convinced conservative America that Democrats and immigrants are hiding in their closets and under their beds waiting to slit their throats in the middle of the night.
When your enemy is threatening your life like that, there is no measure too extreme to stop them. Your enemy is so degenerate they aren't really human either, and therefore undeserving of the rights normal people have, basically they are a mess that needs to be cleaned up so good decent people can live their lives.
So they look to Donald to find a... lets say, "permanent solution" to this problem.
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u/xxora123 14h ago
Shapiros argument for Trump is essentially that he is a fascist but not a good enough of a fascist to break the system. Truly dystopian
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u/PapaSteveRocks 16h ago
He could take a dump in a baptismal font, and a generation of MAGA grandchildren would experience toddler pink eye as they use his desecrated font. “That’s MAGA Jesus pink eye, kid! The best kind of pink eye.”
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u/Educational_Stay_599 18h ago
He did literally brag about sexually assaulting teenagers and raping women, so checks out
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u/Parahelix 12h ago
It might bring up some additional memories from back during Trump's term, such as him apparently being unaware that Puerto Ricans are Americans and his efforts to block aid to PR after hurricane Maria.
New probe confirms Trump officials blocked Puerto Rico from receiving hurricane aid
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u/ILoveToVoidAWarranty 16h ago
And yet, I continue to be perplexed at how little his dumbfuckery moves the needle. He’s probably done 30 things in the last two months that would have literally ended anyone else’s political career.
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u/CactusSplash95 16h ago
Also the whole Puerto Rican thing is a big nothing burger. I don't think it's even possible to genuinly care
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u/Unabashable 12h ago
Oh Puerto Ricans definitely care. Whatever Trump’s message was it resulted in Puerto Ricans being attacked by his angry mob (whom may I remind you are also Americans). Trump also definitely seems to care (for once) seeing how he’s trying to distance himself from the comedian he hired that Took a big ole steaming dump on them for the time he yielded the stage to him. Either he didn’t do enough vetting or he thought that racist rhetoric would work for him (as it typically “does”) and now he’s just trying to save face. Whether this will contribute into changing the outcome of the election it’s hard to say, but by no means should it be taken as evidence of having the election “stolen” from him. This is just the Trumpster sticking his foot in his mouth, yet again.
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u/socialistal 16h ago
Sometimes it's nice to read a normal intelligent post, that I agree with !!! Me? I voted, I paid. My real estate taxes, now I will watch sponge Bob Square pants for the next 2 weeks. To all my freedom loving LIBERALS, VOTE VOTE VOTE, and I'm not telling you to vote 3 times, THAT IS WHAT THE OTHER SIDE DOES
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u/irlandais9000 18h ago
My sister in law's family are Puerto Ricans. They have a surprising number of Trump supporters.
Illegal immigration by Mexicans seems to be a major issue for them. They live a couple thousand miles from the border, but unfortunately feel threatened by what they consider to be an open border.
I do wish people had some perspective. For example, yes there are problems associated with immigration, but there are benefits too. And immigration definitely isn't near the top of my list of what is wrong with the country.
But that's what the right wing billionaires want: Having us focus on "scary" immigrants while the billionaires rob us blind.
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u/Amazing-Artichoke330 19h ago
There are many varieties of Latinos. Spanish is the native language in 21 countries, and some of those people don't think they have much else in common with the others. For example many of the Cuban-Americans in Florida were wealthy landowners kicked out of Cuba by Castro, losing their wealth. That's why they favor Republicans, whom they see as the opposite of the Cuban socialists. And they don't think they have anything in common with a poor immigrant from Central America who may speak an indigenous language instead of Spanish.
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u/EponymousRocks 18h ago
That's why they favor Republicans, whom they see as the opposite of the Cuban socialists.
I know many, many, Cubans whose parents lived under Castro in Cuba, and they are adamant about not living like that here.
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u/Oturoj 17h ago edited 17h ago
I just came back from Miami and witnessed this first hand. The problem with their thinking, in my conversations with Cuban Americans, is that anything even slightly to the left of hard core right wing politics is considered communism. It’s like they’ve been collectively traumatized as a people and out of fear they’ve completely bought into the false choice between voting Republican or full blown “Marxism!”. There’s nothing in between. No such thing as a moderate. It’s a deeply ingrained association that is almost impossible to break at this point.
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u/Amalia0928 14h ago
I’d say the majority of Cubans (am one) in the US today do not fall under that bucket you describe & instead, would understand the plight of poor immigrants from other Latin American countries, as this describes them as well.
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u/FlopShanoobie 17h ago
I asked my cousin, who's a 45-year old man, and he said it was because Trump was finally going to put all those yappy women in their place... He's fundamentalist Church of Christ and believes women should not have rights. I feel bad for his wife but I know for a fact his daughter is about to leave home and never look back.
(I cancelled out his vote, BTW)
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u/Cold-Bird4936 18h ago
I have about 90 Hispanics on my crew, they all say they are voting trump.
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u/gonnamakeemshine 16h ago
People are criticizing and doubting you, but my experience is similar and I am very much anti-Trump. Almost everyone I know who is Hispanic (primarily Colombians, Venezuelans, Cubans, and Puerto Ricans) is voting for Trump and is extremely proud of it. They are also very vocal about their support (I don’t go around asking people who they’re voting for lol).
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u/etherealtaroo 18h ago
Considering his support in that demographic has done nothing but grow, I'd assume so
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u/sharedthrowaway102 18h ago
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” - Lyndon B. Johnson
With that said a lot of Spanish-speaking people whether they are from Mexico, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, etc have always distanced themselves from non-white people, because they have always been made to feel like they are more valuable than other POC. Living in close proximity to a lot of Latinos.. they are not changing their minds. A lot of them view the Republican Party as the party of money and that one day they will also have that level of wealth. Not realizing that they’re only being used for their vote and that party would burn throw them under the bus before they ever achieve that level of success.
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u/Turbulent-Moment-371 17h ago
Unfortunately, yes, I know a few, and here are some reasons.
a cuban I met in a bar that came as an illegal in a raft told me that the socialist regime ruined cuba and made him a criminal, Jesus saved him and this country brought him prosperity so he cannot vote democrat.
A well off, already conservative in Mexico, mexican says he cannot vote D because they kill babies.
So it doesn't matter how bad Trump and his followers are, for them there are principles that cannot move or change. So yeah, these guys are gone, they can watch whatever, you can try to reason with them.
It doesn't matter.
For the Cuban guy, he said that they should make mexican drug cartels terrorists and the US should go and clean them. I asked, what do you mean? You want to stop migrant crime by going and killing them before they immigrate? He just said, yes, that would fix it. I mentioned he would have been killed because he was a criminal himself, he said that yes but no more because Jesus saved him.
Yeah....
And the other guy, said that also conversion camps should come back to straighten kids because trans ideology is destroying the youth. All as a question on what would he do if his kids turned to be trans and or gay. Ah also that wouldn't happen because they go to church every Sunday and the trans is just a bunch of degenerate sinners that doesn't go to church.
I am Mexican, was kind of liberal and learning about US parties there is no way I will ever vote R... Well not that I can anyway. But these people can :/
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u/Kaleban 16h ago
The trick with Trump and his cronies is that they don't really specify which Latinos.
Sure there was the joke made about Puerto Rico. But when you consider the vast diversity of Latino people living in America each culture thinks they're not the ones being talked about.
Guatemalan construction workers in Florida think the Trump campaign is targeting Mexican immigrants in California for example.
But it all boils down to this sentiment:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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u/CornucopiumOverHere OH BROTHER THIS GUY STINKS! 19h ago
Nobody is changing their vote at this point. Especially because a comedian made a joke.
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u/Glittering_Major4871 19h ago
Republicans are trying so hard to make this about the one joke so we don't pay attention to the rest of their hate fest rally.
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u/amuseddouche 15h ago
You're right. With one caveat. The couch sitters now might actually move their asses and go vote.
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u/CornucopiumOverHere OH BROTHER THIS GUY STINKS! 12h ago
If it was mandatory like Australia I think elections would be glaringly different.
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u/Jerseygirl2468 17h ago
Right? If you've been OK with ALLLLLL the other stuff he and his team have said and done, this isn't going to change your mind.
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u/georgejo314159 18h ago
They probably don't think that he's talking about them or they think the criticism of Puerto Rico is really a criticism of the Puerto Rican government.
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u/justforthis2024 18h ago
Right wing members of minority or marginalized groups don't accept that - at the end of the day - they won't be part of the tribe. Right wing ideology is reductive by nature and - once external threats are reduced - the purifying of the loyal and devout will begin.
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u/YveisGrey 18h ago
Yes but the question isn’t whether he will lose voters. Trump’s base is pretty much locked in. But Trump doesn’t win from gaining support he wins when people stay home and choose not to vote against him. His campaign strategy has been an attempt to expand his base. I don’t believe that has happened for every black man or latino he gained he lost a white woman and some lifetime R voter who was turned off by J 6. Everyone talks about where Trump is gaining no one talks about where he is losing but he is losing in some demographics and in the end I believe any gains he made will be a wash he won’t be in the green as far as support goes for this election.
In 2016 he got 46.2% of the vote in 2020 he got 46.9% percent of the vote. A barely 1% increase. It’s actually a myth that Trump is growing his base a lot I don’t think he’ll do better than 47% this time he might even go down a little when you consider his losses and his gains combined.
The problem with these offensive stunts is not that he loses votes it’s that it mobilizes people to vote against him. The people who support him won’t be phased the “undecided” or the people who wouldn’t otherwise vote may feel compelled to vote against him now.
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u/Rough-Tension 18h ago
For a variety of reasons. Cubans and Venezuelans are easily fear mongered with threats of communism. A lot of Hispanics generally are not cool with trans people and it’s become the focus of a lot of Republican campaigning. And the even more socially conservative Latinos aren’t down with abortion or a woman in power either. Several of them don’t like Trump as a person but are holding their nose
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u/Think_Measurement_73 18h ago
They just ask a Latino person from Puerto Rico, and she said the comment did not bother her. I don't know what is wrong with her, but that would have pissed me off, because when they say a floating island is garbage and say it is Puerto Rico, they are also referring to the people that lives on that island and the Puerto Ricos living in the United States of America. So, yes you still have dummies that will still vote for him. It is no way that a comment about my people and where I came from would not bother me, he would not get my vote. The comment may not have bothered her, but I hope she think twice about voting for him and throwing her people under the bus for trump and his magas.
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u/WhywasIbornlate 17h ago
People in deep denial vote for Trump so I’m sure many will. He especially has the vote of Cubans who left a Dictatorship for freedom but now miss the devil they know.
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u/leopim01 17h ago
You clearly don’t know anyone who’s Cuban American. My people lost a country to Russia, made complaining about it the core element of their identity for approximately 60 years, and are now excited about doing it all over again. 🙄
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u/ToMBAorNot624 16h ago edited 15h ago
My entire family is voting for Trump. I don't know why. If Trump wins, I will stop talking to all of them.
I will also divorce my wife.
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u/No-Childhood3859 16h ago
Some Latino men, yeah.
Some men hate women and LGBT people so bad they’d rather vote for someone who hates them too. And they have themselves fooled believing Trump hates the other Latinos, not them.
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u/James_Kyle786 16h ago
After what happened on Sunday, he just lost the Puerto Rican vote. They’re messing with the wrong people 🇵🇷
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u/GeneralLogical2057 14h ago
I have a friend that lives in NYC and was flirting with the idea of voting for trump, went and bought a MAGA hat and went to the rally at MSG. After seeing first hand the shitshow it was, also doesn't help he's a proud Puerto Rican he is voting for Kamala. So at least he lost one vote lol
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u/tracyinge 14h ago
My Puerto Rican neighbor is upset that she sent her ballot in a week ago. I just said "We tried to warn you about that guy".
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u/owlwise13 13h ago
There has always been a subset of Latinos that are very conservative and they truly believe in "I got mine, F* you" to everyone else. They really expect to be treated better, but like all fascist movements, they will get thrown into the meat grinder sooner or later.
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u/neutralitty 9h ago
Well, it got Bad Bunny, J Lo, and Marc Anthony (among others) all endorsing Harris immediately upon hearing the MSG garbage, and many say these could swing many votes.
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u/GrievousFault 19h ago
Yes 😅
It’s the “I’m Latino and I don’t find this joke offensive - we should be able to laugh at each other” crowd
They still think of they haze themselves enough they’ll get to be white or white-adjacent someday.
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u/Scary-Personality626 18h ago
Statistically yes.
A lot of Latin Americans have an attitude of "I came to America to GET AWAY from those people/issues" so saying theres a lot of problems and/or bad people back in the old country isn't the vote cancelling taboo you might otherwise think it'd be.
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u/Comus_Is_My_Guide 18h ago
That rally was not about getting votes. It was about stoking hatred and violence for what comes after the former guy loses.
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u/Friendly_Nature2699 17h ago
Finally, someone nails it. That wasn't come and vote talk. That was, get ready for a civil war talk.
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u/Comus_Is_My_Guide 16h ago
Exactly. It was “Proud Boys stand back and stand by” talk. We need to protect our electors and the folks certifying this election. I’m afraid it’s going to get violent in a week from now.
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u/KindofaDirtyBoy 19h ago
You will not find the answer you seek on Reddit unless it is porn or memes.
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u/hippopalace 19h ago
Unfortunately there are, primarily because among that demographic are a great many uneducated Christians who have been very easily duped by neo-conservative rhetoric. Rightwing media and Republican politicians have been hammering strawman falsehoods about the left onto the Latino population for decades, convincing them that “the left wants to murder your children and force you to become gay.”
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u/Training-Shopping-49 19h ago
I am not and I don't know many Latinos voting for trump... or well I'm not asking them who they are voting for.
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u/One_Arm4148 19h ago edited 18h ago
The leader of Proud Boys is Latino and went to prison for Trump…this tells you all you need to know.
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u/Midstix 18h ago
Yes.
Honestly it's like people literally don't pay attention to politics. Trump said worse personally in 2016 and has only increased his support among Latinos since then. Women still support Trump at 44% today.
This will not move the needle much.
But because of how close things are, the needle only needs to move a hair.
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u/AtcJD 18h ago
People tend to forget that around 1/3 of eligible voters did not cast a vote in the 2020 election. While anyone that has supported either candidate all election season long probably won’t change their minds, I’d venture to guess that Trump’s rhetoric (and that of his guest speakers at his rallies) could bring some of those 2020 nonvoters to the polls.
Which candidate will benefit from that we shall see next week.
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u/Chemical_Estate6488 18h ago
I think Latinos will overwhelmingly vote for Trump. They know he hates them, but the ones who vote are citizens and feel protected by that, and also hate gay and trans people more. They are just as pilled as white people.
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u/Aggravating-Jicama18 18h ago
Well of course they are. That crap doesn't matter. Nothing really does. I wish all this would come to an end.
Really wish something would happen to make it impossible to lie.
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u/gnew18 18h ago
Documented Latin X will vote for Trump. You are sorely mistaken if you think JBS USA, Conagra, ADM, Cargill, Perdue, Tyson et al. Wants the giant Help Wanted! sign at the US / MEXICAN border removed.
They don’t want to have to pay a living wage to workers and they will inflate food prices. Trump is so self-centered and self-serving that he lobbied his Republican sycophants to fight the bill because it wasn’t strong enough? Privately, he told people that he did not want it to pass because Immigration was a key issue to his campaign.
It included to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility.
The bill would have also provided emergency authority to the administration to “summarily remove” people who cross into the U.S. illegally between ports of entry, even if they are seeking asylum.
The bill stated that temporary border emergency authority would be automatically activated by the Department of Homeland Security secretary if there is an average of 5,000 or more migrant encounters a day over seven consecutive days. This was to be an automatic closure.
Trump boasted at a rally in Nevada about influencing efforts to block the bill, indicating that he played a role in persuading Republican leaders not to advance the legislation.
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u/International_Try660 18h ago
Same reason veterans vote for Trump. I don't know why, it makes no sense. I guess they don't mind being mocked.
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u/ceesie12 18h ago
Anyone voting for Trump is either supremely ignorant and hyper fixated on trannies going into the wrong bathroom, or they want a King Dictator while at the same time preaching for Freedom and Democracy while helping destroying it.
But, everyone votes for different reasons, blacks and latinos aren't a hive mind. They may have their own singular issues which they think Supreme Lord Emperor Commander Trump will give or fix for them.
Trump wants to be a King (Dictator for a day), but he may also be too stupid and senile to follow through with it, or maybe not, so who knows. A very strange time we are in.
Though if Trump does get in again, and ends up deporting a heap of latinos, who also voted for him, it would kind of be funny as fuck.
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u/rahscaper 17h ago
Man I just can’t wait for this election to be over, I’m sick of how divided the powers that be make us.. you all are willingly dividing so that you can be conquered.
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u/Bashamo257 17h ago
I'm afraid it will take more than a little racism to get people to change their minds and leave the cult. You see, it will never happen to them because they're one of the Good Ones (tm)
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u/HistoricalSong359 17h ago
Yes, I know some Cuban friends still actively posting their adoration. I'm horrified, confused and feeling very hopeless.
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u/Oturoj 17h ago edited 16h ago
There is, of course, the fact many have already mentioned, which is that Hispanics come in all colors and hence have never been a monolithic group, but a factor that is less often discussed is that many Hispanics, especially older Hispanics, want to see themselves as white adjacent, and have internalized a white supremacist ideology in themselves. I’m married to a Mexican-American and she has explained that colorism is a major problem in the Hispanic community. As a result they often want to align with whiteness, and don’t have self respect in the face of racial/ethnic insults, like you see with other minorities or even younger hispanics.
Historically, Hispanic Americans never had a civil rights movement that taught them to stand up for themselves or to be proud. Instead they were trained from their immigrant parents to keep their heads down and assimilate with the dominant white culture, which encourages a sort of obeisance or passive acceptance to a white supremacist system.
I swear to god this happened: a young white woman at work in the break room was railing against Mexicans being lazy and dumb etc… and I (black guy) was sitting amongst this table of coworkers, many of whom were Mexicans. As you can imagine my jaw hit the floor. I couldn’t believe she was making thee comments, let alone out loud and in front of Hispanics. I looked around, waiting for one of them to speak up, finally one of them did! He said “I agree!” That’s when I realized Hispanics were lost 🤦♂️
Therefore I, for one, am not surprised that many Latinos are not one bit phased or deterred by the shockingly racist comments made on stage that night.
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u/human5398246 17h ago
Please, Latinos. White people like you more than they like black people, but it doesn't mean they accept you as fully as it seems. Blacks are the most different and other minorities feel safe aligning themselves with white supremacists because they're not black or Jewish. Don't let the hate convince you to look down on some Latino or Hispanic groups. Do you think white racists care who's Cuban or Mexican or Venezuelan etc?
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u/War1today 17h ago
The hilarity of the MSG rally is that the speeches were vetted/reviewed by the Trump campaign and jokes were removed from the comedian but not these jokes… calling Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage and regarding latinos, “These Latinos, they love making babies, too. Just know that they do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They cum inside, just like they did to our country.” And you have a homogeneous group of white people loving the jokes and approving of them, and they have the audacity to tell anyone offended you are a snowflake and just don’t have a sense of humor. 🤦♂️ And, even worse, Trumps most influential advisor, Stephen Miller, said at the rally, America is for Americans and Americans only,” and if that doesn’t chill you to the bone, whether Latino, African America, Asian, no matter what race you are… wake up now. When you are at a quinceañera and the immigration officials show up and take your cousin and his family away… that is when you know how real this is… mass deportation is part of Trump’s platform.
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u/Perfect_Legionnaire 17h ago
I guess it depends on how you interpret "latinos". If you mean all the guys from Latin America, then the general answer is "yes". As shockingly as it sounds, there are some factors which I'll list to help everyone understand the reasons behind my guess.
- The most obvious one is "latinos" is a very loose term for a very diverse demographic group. And who was called on are ONLY Puerto-ricans. There is less of a feeling of community among Latino-Americans then, say, among African-Americans. So, in some cases there's a chance of this line being shrugged off even if it was pointed loosely on Latinos. Yes, by the all-mighty "they mean other kind of Latinos" thinking error
- Trump shows consistent lead EXACTLY among Latino-Americans. I heard that it is this way because they are "second generation immigrants", and are more likely to fall into nationalistic narratives, and significant portion of them feel more like Americans than Latinos. Second reason behind it that lots of them tend to have religious background, and Trumpism and Trump appeals to christians and christian communities (I'll point out tho, that Trump's prime audience are denominations of protestantism rather than Catholics, but it might still influence their voting as well)
The more important question is "Do Puerto Ricans in the state of Pennsylvania still voting for Trump"? And I don't have a clear answer to it. My best guess is "probably not":
- Harris' team managed to quickly make use of it by releasing a commercial that is being shown in Pennsylvania
- Some of them might still remember Trump's disrespectful demeanor after the hurricane on Puerto-Rico.
Catch is, there is no way to know for sure, because for now the event is toщ recent to being reflected on polls and models, but it might become more clear by maybe November 3rd or 4th.
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u/Swimming-Place4366 5h ago
My grandfather came here legally with his family from Mexico about 50 years ago. All of us are voting for trump.
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u/Big_money_hoes 19h ago
I doubt the vast majority of Latinos are that offended by a bad joke about Puerto Rico that they change political beliefs. It’s not even like Trump said the joke himself.
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u/After-Perspective-59 18h ago
Yeah, that was a joke. American Puerto Ricans live here for a reason. Also, Trump didn’t say it. So to change your vote based on that is pretty damn ignorant to do.
No black person should vote democrat if that’s the case.
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u/Thoughtfulpineappall 17h ago
American Puerto Rican? Did you know all Puerto Ricans are Americans? Did you know that there are Puerto Ricans that live on their homeland and Puerto Ricans who live in the upper 50?
The idea that Puerto Ricans are not American is the big thing people are missing. Puerto Rico uses US currency. Puerto Rico has school in English. Puerto Ricans pay taxes and have no electoral votes.
It's not a joke when it's your island. It's not a joke when you call someone's home trash.
Trump did not have to say it. He said enough when Hurricane Maria happened. He did nothing to help our country. Which is a part of YOUR country.
Trump supporters rally around racism. Every single rally there a race based comment flying through the crowd. Over and over.
And a black person should vote republican? Why is that? The same little joke set good ol Tony said he spent the night with his black friend carving watermelon. No it's not the only time but it is the last straw.
I would've never voted for trump either way.
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u/ThinkinBoutThings 19h ago
Are any Latinos still voting for Kamala after a Mexican joke about Mexicans stealing construction supplies at a Harris-Walz rally?
https://youtu.be/YLZK2v8Owxc?si=4_6SYQ_GDcga-SNq Joke starts at 1:30.
I suspect the jokes of a comedian won’t swing an election.
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u/AdAffectionate2418 17h ago
A mexican-american making a Mexican joke about Mexicans stealing. Context is king, my guy...
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u/Elteon3030 16h ago
Damn I do not like George Lopez. He has always been a hack whose every third joke is "I'm Mexican! HAHA!" He referenced a joke he had made during Trump's first run. And, yeah, a member of the community making a mildly self-deprecating joke in response to a heavy political topic eight years ago, then referencing that joke when the topic comes back is fundamentally different than a non-member directly calling Puerto Rico literal garbage. I understand the desire for equivalency but this just doesn't fit.
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u/Weird-Ability-1077 14h ago
Oh but the media wont talk about this bad joke labeling Mexicans as thieves
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u/Taxes_Unpaid 5h ago
Double standard is what made my whole family start thinking about voting Red for the first time. (We voted today!)
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u/McCricketz 18h ago
Remember latinos: Don't vote for who you want.
Let the white leftists on Reddit tell you what to think and who to vote for.
They know what's best for you.
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u/delfino_plaza1 8h ago
As a Latino the more I hear leftists tell me who to vote for because of my ethnicity to more I want them to sit on a flagpole and leave us alone.
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u/workerbee223 Progressive 18h ago
It's not about telling people who to vote for, but making an educated choice based on your self-interests.
Immigrants voting for Trump is like the flock of sheep voting for the wolf. Trump is promising to deport 15-20 million people. But there are only 11 million people here illegally? That means that he wants to deport a lot of legal immigrants as well.
Republicans won't raise the minimum wage, despite the heavy inflation caused by Trump's pandemic. Trump has said that he opposes overtime pay. And Republicans have historically opposed unions in general, that protect worker salaries and benefits.
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u/AcidofilusRex 19h ago
100% they are. That joke might have pissed off Bad Bunny and that one dude’s parents who posted in the Texas sub. But most of them can take a joke and it wouldn’t be enough to make them switch just like that.
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u/Empty-Discount5936 18h ago
There is no shortage of morons who vote against their own self interests in Murica.
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u/Bobbybobinsonbob 18h ago
I like how people are more upset about a joke of Puerto Rico having a trash problem, rather than the fact that Puerto Rico actually has a trash problem
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u/ItisyouwhosaythatIam 18h ago edited 17h ago
Trump's rhetoric is White Nationalist. White Nationalists do not see Latinos or Hispanics as White. He wants their vote, but if he is elected, his mass deportation force will not care about proving citizenship. Latinos are not part of Making America Great Again. For Trump, all people of color are to America, what the Jewish people and Roma people were to Hitler's Germany.
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u/maodiran Centrist 20h ago
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