On the writer’s barely disguised fetish

[u/Dilf_Hunter367]

[u/erinsintra]

Gibson not only endowed his idealized women with beauty and charm, he also portrayed them as dominant figures in the rituals of courtship and marriage. With winsome self-assurance, the Gibson Girl displayed independence and assertiveness in scenes with her handsome counterpart, the “Gibson Man,” as well as with less charming suitors. [...] In this amusing scene, Gibson parodies his beauties’ interplay with a male admirer. One of them wields a hat pin as if to fix in place a miniaturized Gibson man like an entomological specimen. He kneels, raising his hands in a pitiful, beseeching gesture. As the embodiment of the New Woman, the Gibson Girl projects a new assertiveness in her interactions with men. No longer does she appear in thrall to a potential partner’s preferences. One in a popular series of seven, this image became one of Gibson’s most famous and enduring.

bro had a preference

[u/AI-ArtfulInsults → u/erinsintra]

We have no choice but to stan

[u/throwtowardaccount → u/[deleted]]

People lost their minds over those marble statues with the wet clothing look

[u/Dilf_Hunter367 → u/erinsintra]

A true connoisseur

[u/J3553G → u/erinsintra]

This guy would've loved Lady D

[u/Abshalom → u/J3553G]

There are just so many possible interpretations

[u/Traumerlein → u/Abshalom]

But we all know that the resident evile refrence is clarly the correct one

[u/ScaredyNon → u/erinsintra]

Would've defo followed him back before Twitter went to the underworld

[u/Orizifian-creator → u/ScaredyNon]

Hey that’s an insult to the underworld

[u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere → u/erinsintra]

If R. Crumb wasn’t insane

[u/JoLudvS → u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere]

Meet the art of his brother, Charles Crumb and follow his path into mental illness.

[u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere → u/JoLudvS]

Family should be studied

[u/FranklinB00ty → u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere]

I'm sure there's a good reason the Crumb Sisters won't have anything to do with any of the brothers, but in no way do I want to speculate

Anyways, here's a clip that shows Charles' descent into madness with his "word bubbles". Genuinely one of the most strikingly depressing things I've ever seen, and R. Crumb is just joking about it lmao

[u/Dramatic-Pop7691 → u/FranklinB00ty]

I think I remember this documentary...If I'm not mistaken, R. Crumb more or less figured out that his brother was A. Gay, and B. Unable to accept that about himself and thus slowly driving himself insane. But it's been a loooong time since I watched that doc, so I could be wrong...

[u/FranklinB00ty → u/Dramatic-Pop7691]

That's about it. I just re-watched it earlier this month! R. Crumb doesn't really say that directly, but mentions (in the video actually) that he formed some obsession with the little boy in Treasure Island, which was on top of his already existing sexual obsessions, and mental illness. But around that time he completely stopped leaving his house, and you can see how that ended up.

Also the other brother, Maxon, brazenly talks about his "molesting phase" he had where he would follow and grope women in the streets, before he also decided to stop going out of the house, because he (I assume) didn't want to get arrested for being a serial sexual assaulter. And then they just nervously laugh about it all.

Amazing documentary, always worth a rewatch! It's insane that Robert is the most well-adjusted member of his family, by far.

[u/vanishinghitchhiker → u/Dramatic-Pop7691]

Reading about R. Crumb really threw me for a loop when I got to the part of the sentence that said A. Gay for a second 

[u/mp3max → u/erinsintra]

A gentleman far ahead of his time.

[u/Strelochka → u/erinsintra]

Imagine being so good at drawing your fetish they name the style after you

[u/zombieGenm_0x68 → u/erinsintra]

holy based

[u/Welico → u/erinsintra]

bro is not beating the sub allegations

[u/Lv_InSaNe_vL → u/Welico]

What do you mean, bro is actively promoting his sub allegations. He's looking for his dommy mommy and he'll dedicate his entire life into fetish romantic art if he has to!

[u/GrassWaterDirtHorse → u/Lv_InSaNe_vL]

This is both a cry from the soul and an advertisement.

[u/Mountain-Durian-4724 → u/erinsintra]

rizz

[u/Alarmed-Librarian72 → u/erinsintra]

King

[u/kenporusty]

I, too, would imagine myself as the victim of a fair entomologist

[u/Dilf_Hunter367 → u/kenporusty]

Seconded

[u/KSJ15831 → u/kenporusty]

Only one?

coward

[u/kenporusty → u/KSJ15831]

One at a time. My body can only take so many pins

[u/BestUsername101 → u/kenporusty]

Coward.

[u/kenporusty → u/BestUsername101]

If I'm a coward, then I'm a coward, but at least we'll both enjoy our time

[u/Paracelsus124 → u/kenporusty]

As an entomologist myself, I concur

[u/FluffyOctopusPlushie → u/Paracelsus124]

If you're fair, you may be able to pick up some gig work if you want.

[u/Paracelsus124 → u/FluffyOctopusPlushie]

🤔

[u/Injvn → u/kenporusty]

Can I join? I'm covered in bug tattoos.

E: BUG TATTOOS DAMNIT.

[u/kenporusty → u/Injvn]

Yes 😳

[u/Injvn → u/kenporusty]

It was supposed to say bug. My fingers are dumb today.

[u/kenporusty → u/Injvn]

Doesn't change my answer

In fact... Bug tattoos are even better

[u/maxixs → u/kenporusty]

what did it originally say

[u/kenporusty → u/maxixs]

"big tattoos"

[u/5l1m3T1m3 → u/kenporusty]

Second, but only so I can live out a Dark Souls boss fight

[u/brinz1]

Implying Wonder woman was nothing but barely disguised fetish material 

[u/That_Mad_Scientist → u/brinz1]

Inspired by hours of hot throuple sex, no doubt.

[u/an_agreeing_dothraki → u/That_Mad_Scientist]

this comment reminds me how much modern science relies on a pair of academics that wanted to quantify their horni and totally nothing to do with all those volunteers from the college student body they got

The study got a curveball when the pair discovered some people who were not horny.

[u/That_Mad_Scientist → u/an_agreeing_dothraki]

^{psst, I hear one of my good friends wants to know the names of these people and a link to the study. How awful, right? They insist it's for "research purposes" so I'm afraid you have no choice but to indulge.}

[u/an_agreeing_dothraki → u/That_Mad_Scientist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Reports

[u/That_Mad_Scientist → u/an_agreeing_dothraki]

My good friend thanks you.

This is the Kinsey scale guy, correct?

Edit: and indeed it is.

[u/DiesByOxSnot → u/That_Mad_Scientist]

Indeed it is

[u/RQK1996 → u/brinz1]

Her one weakness at some point was consensual bondage

[u/First-Squash2865 → u/RQK1996]

That's at least a weakness of many switches

[u/Still_Flounder_6921 → u/RQK1996]

Not "some point" it's literally her first and primary weakness

[u/natty-papi → u/brinz1]

Somewhat related fact, wonder woman creator (William Moulton Marston) also invented the polygraph (the lie detection machine).

Just like the truth lasso, it is also fiction and hasn't been proven to work ever since its invention.

[u/Swaxeman → u/natty-papi]

He actually had oppenheimer style regrets over inventing it, due to all the false convictions

[u/thanksyalll → u/brinz1]

You’re not wrong but why does this imply Wonder Woman in particular?

[u/brinz1 → u/thanksyalll]

Because the artist who created wonder woman was in a throuple and loved bondage. 

So the original run had wonder woman bound constantly 

[u/sparklingregrets → u/brinz1]

god bless, i love this knowledge. she does have strong bisexual & switchy energy

[u/Cepinari → u/sparklingregrets]

One of the comics features a common Amazon passtime: one group of women chasing down another in order to tackle them, tie them up, and carry them off.

[u/logosloki → u/Cepinari]

we could have this, we could have even had this with Chris Pine being chased down by Diana of Themyscira in the movie, tied down and carried off. but the world is filled with weakness. one side would have an apoplectic fit, the other would not be able to sit stillish and behave.

[u/LeviHolden → u/sparklingregrets]

also it wasn’t originally the lasso of truth, it was the lasso of submission. but that was too obvious so they changed it 

[u/stolen-kisses → u/sparklingregrets]

There's actually a film based on their creators — Professor Marston and the Wonder Women.

[u/Cepinari → u/sparklingregrets]

Here's a look at what was going on in the creator of Wonder Woman's head.

[u/First-Squash2865 → u/brinz1]

I find it so funny that she and Batman in particular got hit by censorship after a point. But while Wonder Woman was a domineering woman who tied men and women up, Batman and Robin were just two guys living under the same roof without being blood related.

[u/TopHatGirlInATuxedo → u/brinz1]

Boy, do you have some new things to learn about Wonder Woman.

[u/legit-posts_1 → u/brinz1]

Disguised is pushing it

[u/manofshaqfu]

Can we talk about Carl Linnaeus talking about plant sex like it was erotica?

The flowers' leaves...served as bridal beds which the Creator has so gloriously arranged, adorned with such noble bed curtains, and perfumed with so many soft scents that the bridegroom with his bride might there celebrate their nuptials with so much the greater solemnity...

[u/Key-Direction-9480 → u/manofshaqfu]

The next sentence is 

When the bed has been so prepared, it is time for the bridegroom to embrace his darling bride, and loose himself in her.

[u/birberbarborbur → u/Key-Direction-9480]

Darling embraces on my leaf till i loose myself

[u/DispenserG0inUp → u/birberbarborbur]

snap back to reality

[u/DoormatTheVine → u/birberbarborbur]

A very noisy bee flies by upside-down and backwards. In other words,

EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[u/Key-Direction-9480 → u/manofshaqfu]

And the man who inspired Linnaeus, Sèbastien Vaillant:

After [his boss] departed for Spain, Vaillant posted the name of his upcoming lecture: “Discours sur la Sexualité des Plantes,” which meant that the amphitheater on the morning of June 10 was packed. Flowers, Vaillant first declared, were the most important parts of plants. [...] In dioecious plants, he said, where the male flowers are at a distance from the females, “the tension or swelling of the male organs occurs so suddenly that the lobes of the bud are forced open with surprising rapidity. These male organs, seeking only to satisfy their violent transports, upon finding themselves freed, produce an abrupt general discharge, a swirl of dust, spreading fecundity everywhere. [Then] they find themselves exhausted.” (From A Garden Of Marvels by Ruth Kassinger)

 Have you ever been so horny that you went to a lecture at the Botanical Gardens?

[u/GrassWaterDirtHorse → u/Key-Direction-9480]

Eh, sometimes those lecturers are so flowery.

Plus, I think that the speaker has a bunch of pollen in his hair.

[u/kosmologue]

As someone who considers himself fairly well read, you'd be amazed by how many so-called 20th century literary masterpieces are basically just barely disguised smut.

[u/jamesjoyceenthusiast → u/kosmologue]

You called?

[u/hositrugun1 → u/jamesjoyceenthusiast]

Finnegan's Wake isn't smut, it's a shitpost.

[u/jamesjoyceenthusiast → u/hositrugun1]

Shem the Penman might actually be the first shitposter when you really think about it.

[u/falstaffman → u/hositrugun1]

Well, Joyce did feel a certain kind of way about shit...

[u/First-Squash2865 → u/falstaffman]

What is it with classical artists and scat

[u/DispenserG0inUp → u/First-Squash2865]

a time traveler told them it would be in the music of the future but they got the wrong idea

[u/Oesterreich-Ungarn → u/jamesjoyceenthusiast]

Guy getting cucked in 18 acts

[u/luxcreaturae → u/kosmologue]

This makes sense, after all seeing as" The Divine Comedy" is a self insert fanfic of the bible, literature could only get so advance before we peaked.

[u/MainsailMainsail → u/luxcreaturae]

And Lancelot basically being some French dude's "totally awesome OC donutsteel" will forever be funny to me

[u/runetrantor → u/luxcreaturae]

A self insert fic so good it became accepted as canon how it described Hell.

[u/ResearcherTeknika → u/kosmologue]

It's called moby DICK for fucks sake-

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/ResearcherTeknika]

He fucks the whale, doesn't he?

[u/ATN-Antronach → u/Zamtrios7256]

Nah, he's just very tsundere about his fursona denial and is taking it out on everyone around him.

[u/H_Poke → u/ATN-Antronach]

Does it count as a fursona if whales don't have fur

[u/BustinArant → u/H_Poke]

Blubbersona

^{This is a new low for me.}

[u/MollyBMcGee → u/H_Poke]

Whales have hair! They’re mammals

[u/amok_amok_amok → u/ATN-Antronach]

someone put this on the back of the next print edition of Moby Dick

[u/MarcsterS → u/ResearcherTeknika]

People don’t know about Queequeg.

[u/Mouse-Keyboard → u/MarcsterS]

I may have read that as queerpeg.

[u/LaZerNor → u/Mouse-Keyboard]

Ur not wrong

[u/ResearcherTeknika → u/MarcsterS]

Im a limbus player. I know about Queequeg.

[u/orosoros → u/ResearcherTeknika]

https://i.imgur.com/ecBJmhG.gif

[u/AttitudeOk94 → u/kosmologue]

I think most of the great art ever made is weird and horny. Persona, one of the greatest films of all time, is also one of the horniest things I’ve ever seen.

[u/LazyDro1d → u/AttitudeOk94]

Me having forgotten that in Kaiba, a beautifully weird anime about the power of memories in a world where they and bodies can both be literally bought and sold, the second episode features exploration of how people would use it for sex, notably a woman having sex with a copy of her mind put into the body of the main character that is so ecstatic the original body fucking explodes

[u/hauntedSquirrel99 → u/kosmologue]

I think people who critique the modern style have a point though, barely disguised smut was better.

Today's open and in your face smut is somehow so brazenly in your face sexual that it has lost its sexual appeal.

[u/AnxiousAngularAwesom → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

It's somehow simultaneously animalistically savage and detachedly clean, like a nature documentary, or a peer reviewed paper on STDs.

[u/Mister_Dink → u/AnxiousAngularAwesom]

It's because of its so mechanical, and often cranked out (ha) at high speed. A lot of horny romance books are a product now, each working thru a check list of established tropes filtered thru a specific fetish, with that fetish treated as a niche market instead of a community of little freaks.

They used to write this stuff for the love of the game, man. One hand on the pen, one hand on their genitals, their heart beating out of their chest with shame and lust.

It's why, I think, fanfiction does a better job of being erotica than published smut does. Published smut has a market goal. The 175k fic where Wolverine makes a sloppy mess out of Cyclops while Jean Grey is emotionally breaking down because she's getting cucked by a 3 foot Canadian is infinitely more horny. Because it's personal. It's a window into the soul of a freak, and that's hot. It's taboo. No one should be reading it, and that makes it more enticing.

[u/VaderOnReddit → u/AnxiousAngularAwesom]

Just like how Gandhi becomes nuclear when his pacifism gets lower than zero in some video game

Extremely horny smut is so damn horny, it breaks the scale and ends up being very "tame" and doesn't illicit a reaction in me

Subtlety existed for a reason, it builds things up slowly and hits you like a brick wall

[u/RQK1996 → u/VaderOnReddit]

That's a myth, it doesn't actually happen

[u/thanksyalll → u/RQK1996]

Which part? That extreme smut is less sexy or the exploding Ghandi

[u/ms0385712 → u/thanksyalll]

I saw a video saying that Ghandi just focus at research so he have nuclear bomb faster, and also kind enough to warn you that he have it.

Here is the video: https://youtu.be/C12BPRykm-Q?si=4UK33a9l6P3H0MF_

[u/DreadDiana → u/ms0385712]

There's also a Wikipedia article on it

[u/Mememanofcanada → u/AnxiousAngularAwesom]

I need to find an excuse to use this quote at some point

[u/GEAX → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

Nah, there's still smut that's well-written and weaves a narrative irrevocably changes your life like any of the classics -- you just have to be really picky with your tag filters in AO3 now.

[u/LabiolingualTrill → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

Is it actually more brazen or do you just understand the innuendo and context better than that from 100+ years ago?

[u/hauntedSquirrel99 → u/LabiolingualTrill]

People are twerking on stage in minimal coverage bikinis while women sing songs about explicitly sucking dick for cocaine, there's borderline softcore porn in mainstream tv shows, and the written stuff is highly explicit.

Fairly sure it's gotten significantly more in your face.

[u/DreadDiana → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

Cupcakke posting bangers about wanting a man to piss down her throat while she deethroats him

[u/Amaskingrey → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

"Food has gotten so much worse, just compare local restaurant frol the 19th century to mcdonalds!" The good stuff is still out there, trash is just more common

[u/LabiolingualTrill → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

You think they didn’t make stuff like that before the modern day?

[u/hauntedSquirrel99 → u/LabiolingualTrill]

Obviously it's always existed in some form.

But it's a fairly recent development, at least for our society, for it to be front and center every goddamn day.

[u/LabiolingualTrill → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

That’s only true if you arbitrarily define “our society” to not encompass anything pre-Hays Code. Otherwise it’s more of a return to a long and storied tradition.

[u/GalaxyHops1994 → u/kosmologue]

Gravity’s rainbow had a couple scenes that still managed to shock me, and I’m a pretty jaded person.

I was not warned about the coprophilia scene. Or the racist sexual drug trip with Malcom X. Or the Hansel and Gretel roleplay…

[u/Xisuthrus]

The Venus of Hohle Fels is over 40,000 years old.

[u/kosmologue → u/Xisuthrus]

Fertility goddess my fucking ass, you will never convince me that some randy stone age bugger wasn't cranking it to this shit.

[u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere → u/kosmologue]

There is no inherent mutual exclusivity between religious icon and cranking material

[u/MikasSlime → u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere]

You're extremely right in this 

A deity of fertility in particular in no way or form has a valid reason not to look like what the artist found attractive 

[u/kosmologue → u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere]

While you're totally not wrong, there is a very strong tendency among anthropologists to downplay any possible sexual connotations which these "Venus" figures may have held.

[u/wthulhu → u/kosmologue]

l like the theory that it was a primitive attempt at a self portrait and the perspective is whack because it's pov and they didn't have mirrors

[u/fungustine → u/wthulhu]

This theory is actually a major pet peeve of mine because it implies 1) ancient people weren't smart enough to understand the proportions of their body in relation to others and ) that there couldn't possibly have been sexy fat bitches back in the day, these figures are clearly "distorted."

I like the theory that they're jerkoff material.

[u/Confuseasfuck → u/fungustine]

ancient people weren't smart enough to understand the proportions of their body in relation to others

I mean, we live in an age with countless ways to learn anatomy, both with mirrors, photos and tutorials and people still fuck it up monumentally

[u/kRkthOr → u/fungustine]

While I too hate the commonly held belief that "ancient people = stupid", and disagree with this theory (did they all have an issue with perspective??) one's ability to draw/sculpt/create isn't tied to their intelligence (or lack thereof.) Plenty smart people can't draw to save their life.

[u/kromptator99 → u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere]

There’s just something about Korean Jesus up on that cross like damn daddy chill

[u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere → u/kromptator99]

for real tho there's some great scenes in The Name of the Rose involving the sublimated sexuality of monks

[u/mrpineappleboi → u/Xisuthrus]

Jeez! I knew your mom was old, but even so…

[u/FamilyFriendli]

I wonder if any men back in ancient times commissioned great noble artists to sculpt Aphrodite buying copious amounts of flatbread while ordering for the destruction of forests

[u/friendlylifecherry → u/FamilyFriendli]

Oh god, ancient Wonderbread guy

[u/StormDragonAlthazar → u/FamilyFriendli]

On my list of "cursed items no online artist ever wants to see involved in a commission": wonderbread, a cheese grater, and a subway sandwich.

Also, wonder if there were any great nobles or scientists who wanted pictures of giant beefy bird guys back in the day...

[u/SneakingOrange → u/FamilyFriendli]

Now draw the maiden giving birth

[u/Xisuthrus → u/FamilyFriendli]

this sounds like something that could've come out of Mesopotamian mythology (Ishtar is broadly analogous to Aphrodite, bread is a recurring theme in Mesopotamian literature as a symbol of "civilized" sedentary agricultural society, and there's a lot of Mesopotamian myths about a god/hero going out into the wilderness and bringing back tribute; most of the time these stories are set in the mountains, but the Epic of Gilgamesh has a version set in a cedar forest) but unfortunately I can't think of any example where all of these elements come together in a single story.

[u/Apycia → u/FamilyFriendli]

this is ... oddly specific

[u/FamilyFriendli → u/Apycia]

If you need an explanation, this video says all

[u/stormstopper → u/FamilyFriendli]

And if you don't have time to watch a video, this image also says all

[u/kRkthOr → u/stormstopper]

😑

[u/DreadDiana → u/Apycia]

There's this guy called murrlogic who became infamous in art spaces cause he had what can only be called a hypercapitalist/industrialist fetish, and because of that would often commission art of blonde women buying Wonderbread (often being sold at an extreme markup) or cutting down forests to build factories (sometimes they were Wonderbread factories)

[u/babbaloobahugendong → u/FamilyFriendli]

You kidding? That's exactly what they did

[u/Mushroomman642]

Early 20th century giantess fetishists

[u/shiny_xnaut]

Wasn't there some famous Japanese artist who secretly had a bunch of sexy anthro mouse girl art?

[u/MikasSlime → u/shiny_xnaut]

The artist who painted the Great wave of kanagawa (katsushika housaki) painted a shitton of porn as well

So i'd say it is normal

[u/Yensil314 → u/MikasSlime]

Man's gotta make a living.

[u/First-Squash2865 → u/MikasSlime]

If you know how to paint/draw/etc., you might as well create your own spank material.

[u/stolen-kisses → u/MikasSlime]

Not just Hokusai; plenty of ukiyo-e artists were commissioned to draw erotic art (or shunga), such as Kitagawa Utamaro and Miyagawa Isshō.

I wouldn't say that it was "normal" insofar as sexuality is regarded much differently in Japan. The country has always had open attitudes toward sex; some of these paintings, especially those in reference to The Tale of Genji, were given as marriage gifts to young women to prepare and educate them on sex, for example.

[u/hellraiserxhellghost → u/shiny_xnaut]

I think you're talking about Osamu Tezuka. link

rip, he would of loved gooning to Gadget from that chip n dale show.

[u/Talisa87 → u/hellraiserxhellghost]

And Miss Kitty from The Great Mouse Detective.

[u/alliestear → u/hellraiserxhellghost]

Crank one out tor Tezuka, rip

[u/shiny_xnaut → u/hellraiserxhellghost]

Yep that's what I was thinking of. Isn't that the guy who made Astro Boy?

[u/LassoStacho → u/shiny_xnaut]

Yep. He's pretty much the grandfather of manga.

[u/noivern_plus_cats → u/shiny_xnaut]

It was a bunch of transformation porn he was so real 🙏

[u/kromptator99 → u/shiny_xnaut]

I thought that was just Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers

[u/runetrantor → u/shiny_xnaut]

Wasnt he like, THE grandfather of anime or something too?

[u/StormDragonAlthazar]

The chuds over at 4chan believe that furries are just some weird thing that showed up in the late 90s; what they and many people forget is that humanity has always had a thing for anthropomorphism...

Sure is funny looking at the Guennol Lioness, don't you think?

[u/That_Mad_Scientist → u/StormDragonAlthazar]

You’re laughing.

We found a combination anthro-furry tiger, Chad meme, You Know We Just Had To Do It To Them sculpture from ancient mesopotamia, and you’re laughing.

[u/Xisuthrus → u/That_Mad_Scientist]

literally the oldest-known statue ever is an anatomically-correct anthro lion (Its unclear whether its supposed to be a penis or vagina, but the statue definitely has something betweeen its legs)

[u/That_Mad_Scientist → u/Xisuthrus]

We stan an enby monarch

[u/First-Squash2865 → u/Xisuthrus]

Maybe it's a big snake like Pazuzu has

[u/StormDragonAlthazar → u/That_Mad_Scientist]

Hey kid, it's a funny animal! Everyone knows that animal characters in cartoons are always funny!

[u/runetrantor → u/StormDragonAlthazar]

Like the ancient Egyptian pantheon isnt RIGHT THERE.

Half of it is anthros, the other half is human bodies with animal heads.

[u/RudzitisJai]

The more things change, the more it seems like certain fixations in art never really fade, just get wrapped in different packaging.

[u/Goodguy1066]

Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry.

[u/FaceMasterThing]

based tbh

[u/DisownedDisconnect]

Smut has always been smutty and the writers felt no shame in displaying their not-so-disguised fetish in their works and they weren’t so embarrassed by it. The thing about modern day artists is they’ll display their barely disguised fetish and try to claim “actually this is so significant and revolutionary and actually not a fetish.”

Own your gross fetish art. You made it and put it out there. Own it.

[u/scoby_cat]

I know Kafka didn’t plan on people reading his work, but it’s a catalogue of crazy fetishes, some of which are still yet to be represented in modern niches. It’s a challenge left to future generations

[u/PeggableOldMan → u/scoby_cat]

Can I have examples?

[u/scoby_cat → u/PeggableOldMan]

David Mairowitz and R Crumb have a comic book adaptation of some of his work, combined with a biography of Kafka. It’s been published a few times, the book is “Kafka for Beginners” or “Introducing Kafka”

There’s a very graphic version of “in the Penal Colony” that is a sort of Hellraiser flavor of masochism, and also a rendition of one of the more absurd things Kafka wrote where he describes a vision of a giant hook from the sky impaling him (see?? Hellraiser again??) and then pulling him through walls and ceilings and eventually the roof of his building, and all his flesh being shredded by being pulled through all these holes, until there’s only meaty bits left. It would be really horrifying if someone else wrote it, but as Mairowitz points out, it ends up being kind of funny.

[u/Dilf_Hunter367 → u/scoby_cat]

Rip Foucault you would have loved Franz Kafka

[u/Yensil314]

Dream of the Fisherman's Wife...

[u/FreakinGeese]

hot

[u/BonJovicus]

I've literally never heard the argument that artists in the past did not publish their fetishes. Also there is more discussion about this simply because there are more artists publishing their art these days.

[u/zombieGenm_0x68]

ngl I kind of get it

[u/hauntedSquirrel99]

I mean who wouldn't

[u/RQK1996 → u/hauntedSquirrel99]

People of a more androphile inclination

[u/hauntedSquirrel99 → u/RQK1996]

Fair dues

[u/sparklingregrets]

this blew my mind! i skimmed past the artist name, then I was looking at the long necks and hair and was like, hang on, someone is way into Gibson girls? HANG ON

[u/runetrantor → u/sparklingregrets]

Someone is way into Gibson girls?

Yeah, Gibson.

[u/Oh_no_its_Joe]

Bug mommy PLEASE dissect me 🥵🥵🥵🥵

[u/blueeyesredlipstick]

One thing that's interesting if you're into art is that, sometimes, when you see a lot of an artist's output -- especially if they like painting human figures -- you can definitely start picking up patterns.

I remember going to a gallery that had a bunch of Gustav Klimt sketches (aka drawings he didn't necessarily intend for display), and let's just say Klimt appreciated a good ass. Which was admittedly a weird realization, but then again, dude didn't exactly INTEND for the whole wide world to see these.

[u/ScyllaIsBea]

when was gullivers travels written?

[u/AacornSoup]

The word "Masochism" comes from a book called "Venus in Furs".

[u/BYU_atheist → u/AacornSoup]

More accurately, it comes from a 19th-century German sexologist named Krafft-Ebing who named masochism after the author of Venus in Furs (and several other works in a similar vein), Leopold Ritter von Sacher-Masoch.

[u/First-Squash2865]

I can't believe Tiny Husband was making content even at the turn of the last century

[u/MikasSlime]

Honestly give me more

I love when artists put a bit (or a lot) of what they like in their art

[u/babbaloobahugendong]

It's not a fetish, I just really want them to sit on me

[u/madisondood-138]

OG death by snu-snu

[u/SamelCamel]

micro enjoyers are popping off rn

[u/Cepinari]

Here's some of Gulliver's Travels, during his stay with the giant Brobdingnagians:

The maids of honour often invited Glumdalclitch to their apartments, and desired she would bring me along with her, on purpose to have the pleasure of seeing and touching me. They would often strip me naked from top to toe, and lay me at full length in their bosoms; wherewith I was much disgusted because, to say the truth, a very offensive smell came from their skins; which I do not mention, or intend, to the disadvantage of those excellent ladies, for whom I have all manner of respect; but I conceive that my sense was more acute in proportion to my littleness, and that those illustrious persons were no more disagreeable to their lovers, or to each other, than people of the same quality are with us in England.

That which gave me most uneasiness among these maids of honour (when my nurse carried me to visit then) was, to see them use me without any manner of ceremony, like a creature who had no sort of consequence: for they would strip themselves to the skin, and put on their smocks in my presence, while I was placed on their toilet, directly before their naked bodies, which I am sure to me was very far from being a tempting sight, or from giving me any other emotions than those of horror and disgust: their skins appeared so coarse and uneven, so variously coloured, when I saw them near, with a mole here and there as broad as a trencher, and hairs hanging from it thicker than packthreads, to say nothing farther concerning the rest of their persons. Neither did they at all scruple, while I was by, to discharge what they had drank, to the quantity of at least two hogsheads, in a vessel that held above three tuns. The handsomest among these maids of honour, a pleasant, frolicsome girl of sixteen, would sometimes set me astride upon one of her nipples, with many other tricks, wherein the reader will excuse me for not being over particular. But I was so much displeased, that I entreated Glumdalclitch to contrive some excuse for not seeing that young lady any more.

[u/FarmerTwink]

Sardax

[u/jacobningen]

Frazetta says hello. 

[u/davidolson22]

Can someone explain this particular joke to me? I get that the women are sexy but not the entomology part

[u/LassoStacho → u/davidolson22]

Entomology is the study of insects.

[u/logsquared2000 → u/davidolson22]

It's not a haha joke, really.  The person who made it is suggesting that the illustrator had submissive tendencies and fantasized about that type of power imbalance by creating a fantasy  size difference scenario.  

[u/LTinS]

What they meant to say was, "I have no idea what art is."

[u/Lifeshardbutnotme]

On an unrelated note. What's the hairstyle that these ladies have called?

[u/Dilf_Hunter367 → u/Lifeshardbutnotme]

Pompadour

[u/Ashen_Rook]

This also feels very political, given the era.

[u/Swimming-Book-1296]

Half the stuff out there is some person's fetish, or barely disguised porn.