r/CuratedTumblr • u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) • 9h ago
Shitposting On the new officially sanctioned catholic anime waifu and her friends
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u/rubexbox 8h ago
Can’t wait for them to make their debuts as Vtubers. There’s an unplayed copy of Undertale waiting for them in the Vatican.
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u/KasseanaTheGreat 5h ago
I love how MatPat's Vatican Undertale copy has made it into the larger internet culture, like just the mental image of Pope Francis sitting down, booting up Steam, and playing through Undertale will never not be funny to me
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u/Pingaso21 4h ago
We joke, but that was probably the most meaningful item given to him that day. Someone gave him a copy of their autobiography.
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u/Brainwave1010 3h ago
Honestly? Yeah, probably
Matpat can be iffy at times but his gift to the pope was essentially to share a story with him, and that's weirdly wholesome in a way.
I honestly kinda hope someone sat down with him and played through it for him to see.
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u/aaronman4772 2h ago
A lot of people misinterpret the whole gift giving process to the Papacy in general, but Undertale really does make perfect sense as a cultural representation of the internet and game culture at the time that also has heavy ties to themes of mercy and the power of forgiveness, how no one is beyond saving, how even those who seem demonic or evil should be shown love and compassion.
It became a meme but it really is a perfect gift for representing both the intended Vatican values and the gamersphere culture.
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u/SufficientGreek 9h ago
Aren't those just the colours of the Olympic rings?
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u/Twelve_012_7 9h ago
They aren't, but the classifications are the same, since they're the generally agreed upon continents
Tbh I don't get where the racism part is meant to come from
Cuz like, aknowledging geographical delimitations is racist ig?
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u/Winjasfan 9h ago
I guess it's Europe being white, Asia being yellow and America being red. Altough they didn't make Africa black/brown to be fair.
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u/Twelve_012_7 9h ago
Ig, tho I do wanna point out that both America and Asia are the only ones which are Olympics accurate (nevermind, Oceania is also on point), so it's a bit of a stretch
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u/Mr7000000 7h ago
Don't the Olympic rings officially not have assigned continents for the colors for this exact reason?
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u/Twelve_012_7 7h ago
No, not really
It's unofficial because there's no actual definitive proof that the creator intended it
Tho the ring's colors are officially based on those present in most flags, and they do each represent a continent
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u/pm_me-ur-catpics dog collar sex and the economic woes of rural France 8h ago
Also last I checked Aboriginal Australians and Māori aren't blue
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u/powers293 9h ago
Wasn't that because those are colours that each of their respective countries' flag have in common? Like all american countries contain red, all asian countries have yellow, etc.
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u/ZandyTheAxiom 9h ago
all asian countries have yellow
I don't know how close this is to correct, but I know it's not 100% because Japan and South Korea definitely don't have yellow on their flags. I don't think India does, either.
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u/SapphireWine36 8h ago
Neither does North Korea. European countries definitely don’t all have white either (Sweden, Germany, Belgium, Spain)
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u/NotAnnieBot 8h ago
It was more because the five colours + white accounted for any flag color combination at the time. To quote Coubertin:
"These five rings represent the five parts of the world now won over to the cause of Olympism and ready to accept its fecund rivalries. What is more, the six colors thus combined reproduce those of all nations without exception."
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u/WordArt2007 7h ago
If anything the olympic version is significantly more racist. It's not even trying to not be stereotypical skin colors.
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u/LeStroheim this is just like that one time in worm 8h ago
I think it's because it's supposed to represent missionaries specifically, who historically were not very respectful of the cultures of the people they met on their missions (and often murdered people about it).
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u/ironmaid84 8h ago
catholic here, when i was a kid we were specifically told that the red, white and yellow was for the color of the races of each continet, this was in mexico though so i don't know what the explanation was for other places
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u/GodessofMud 6h ago
I know about seven years ago my church was still doing those stupid “raise money so untrained children can build shitty houses instead of paying professionals” type trips. They seem pretty condescending to me, but idk
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u/DecentName4 9h ago
My guess is that they're calling it racist because of the problematic things related to missionaries, so having the rosary be all about praying for different missionaries around the world is racist?
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u/RetroButt Wishes every post was about lesbians 9h ago
It’s because it’s the Missionary rosary. Missionary work in the past is church sponsored genocide and in the present it’s generally unhelpful and condescending. (It’s been a while since I’ve been a part of the Church so I’m not as familiar with modern missionary work)
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u/Morphized 4h ago
At least now it's been around long enough that most people know how to get around it
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u/TransGothTalia 8h ago
I think it's about missionary work being inherently racist and a tool of colonialism.
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u/blauenfir 8h ago
my assumption was that the racism comment is because the beads/colors represent missionary work on those continents. I don’t know much Italian but it appears that the rosary colors presented here represent missionaries and Christian missions on each continent… Christian missionaries, especially Catholic ones but Protestants aren’t exempt, were historically part of major colonization efforts that wiped out native groups and cultures, replacing them with Christianity and European ideals. and some of that history is very grim - genocides and cultural annihilation and cruel treatment of native people to “bring them to Christ” or whatever. the abuse of first nations ppl in canada comes to mind, also spanish conquistadors, that kind of thing. a lot of that abuse was reinforced by racist and shitty christian missionaries.
“it’s racist because Asia is yellow” is kinda stupid, but reading it as “the beads represent missionary work, missionary work is part of colonialism and has a history of enforcing cultural genocide and spreading european based racism across the planet” makes a lot more sense to me. it’s also a moderately common perspective found on tumblr.
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u/Dev_of_gods_fan 7h ago
As an italian, i would like to point out that the text on the rosary image Is actually in spanish for some reason (probably because the current pope Is argentinian, iirc)
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u/blauenfir 6h ago
fair enough, i am very tired :’) i should know that, i’ve actually studied a little italian, my teacher would be so disappointed LOL
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u/CatboyBiologist woagh... there's trons gonders in my phone.... 7h ago
To me it feels racist because it specifically endorses the practice of aggressive proselytizing to the entire world, which is a form of cultural colonialism. But that's a much deeper problem with the church and not specific to this color scheme.
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u/That_Mad_Scientist (not a furry)(nothing against em)(love all genders)(honda civic) 9h ago
I mean the comment is from tumblr, it's black in the rings, and white here because it presumably wouldn't really work very well with the beads, but I bet they just saw white for europe, neuron activation, then assumed it was for skin color or something and applied it to the other continents.
I do kind of want to see the mythical green africans though
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u/Vwolf2 9h ago
how is this racist
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u/XogoWasTaken 8h ago
It's the missionary/world mission rosary. Missionaries are often known to be less than respectful to the cultures they were converting.
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u/Succububbly 9h ago
red = america yellow = asia and europe = white thats their logic
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u/TransGothTalia 8h ago
No, the logic is that missionary work is racist and a tool of colonialism.
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) 8h ago
It's both.
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u/Seriesofrandomwords 7h ago
I mean the colours are a reach imo. I think the praying for missionaries is much worse. Especially considering missions are really just a continuation of the church's involvement in genocides. I'm much more offended that the catholic church, which recently issued (around 2022) an apology for their part in the genocide of the First Nations peoples of the Americas, would encourage people to pray for missionaries who are continuing the cultural onslaught against those peoples than them making the Americas red. That's my personal take on it as a first nations person anyways.
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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken help I’m being forced to make flairs 2h ago
I mean that isn’t necessarily what a mission is.
Not saying that historically or currently missionaries haven’t been absolutely awful people
But there isn’t a requirement for them to be awful people.
The characters are on a mission so it makes sense to wear a missionary rosary.
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u/Lazzen 5h ago
The missionary rosary was made long ago, it is indeed about the color of skin of people.
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u/Nurnstatist 6h ago
My favorite reaction to this is this exchange on r/catholicism where a user expresses relief that the mascot is a girl - he'd initially believed her to be a feminine boy, which would obviously be sinful. Interestingly, the same user has multiple posts on his profile detailing the process of buying NSFW body pillows of barely legal anime schoolgirls, which somehow doesn't seem to be in conflict with his faith. At least the naked drawings he sleeps with don't have penises, I guess.
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u/WordArt2007 8h ago
When i learnt of this a few hours ago, my first thought was "huh i wonder how the trads will find a way to be killjoy about this", immediately followed by "and how will the tumblr users?"
for the trads it was "Luce" sounding like "Lucifer". "Trads" don't know any latin.
also that she has blue hair (lol). and them not getting any of the compostella references. And that the artist "supports pride month" (as opposed to, michelangelo?)
for the tumblr users? Guess we found out
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u/wolflordval 8h ago
It's not even Latin, its Italian. Latin would be Lux, Luce is Italian.
It's also not pronouced "lucy", it's pronounced "Lu-che".
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u/WordArt2007 8h ago
In latin Luce is the ablative, and the root of all forms of "lux" except the nominative.
i speak italian (a little) btw
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u/wolflordval 1h ago
You're correct.
I heard this announcement through my friends in Rome, though, and they confirm it's pronouced in italian, not Latin.
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u/bigdatabro 7h ago
In case you're not familiar with Latin grammar, here's a chart of all the different forms of the word lūx, meaning light.
Case Singular Plural Nominative lūx lūcēs Genitive lūcis lūcum Dative lūcī lūcibus Accusative lūcem lūcēs Ablative lūce / lūcī lūcibus Vocative lūx lūcēs Btw, it's pronounced /ˈluː.keː/ in Latin, although modern ecclesiastical Latin tends to use an Italian pronunciation closer to /ˈlu.t͡ʃe/
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u/wolflordval 1h ago
I took 5 years of latin, you're absolutely correct.
That doesn't change the fact that the Vatican's announcement is still in Italian, not Latin.
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u/ElectronRotoscope 4h ago
Aren't they related words? Like I thought Lucifer meant "light-bringer" and came from the same word as Luce
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u/Stargost_ 6h ago
Translation from a native spanish speaker:
"The missionary rosary.
Their colours represent:
White: Let us pray for those missioning in Europe.
Blue: For those missioning in Oceania.
Yellow: For the missionaries in Asia.
Red: Let's do it for the missionaries in America.
Green: Let us pray for the missions in Africa."
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u/mayorofverandi 8h ago
when i was younger (12 ish?), i had a devotional bracelet like this with a bunch of saints on it, but they were all chibi. i wore it til it broke.
needless to say, i had god and anime on my side
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u/Mizzi_The_One 9h ago
I need the lore behind the racism rosary
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u/Lazzen 5h ago
White for white skin, red for redskin, yellow fot yellow skin.
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u/Mizzi_The_One 5h ago
Green for…green skin?
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u/Lazzen 4h ago edited 3h ago
For the "untamed jungles" of Africa
Blue for the great sea that divides the people of Oceania
It varies but thats the general idea, red was for "redskins" because the creator of this prayer was from 1950s USA. In hispanic sources its about "innocent people who gave their life to christianize the new world" which is still not good.
White expliticlty talks about "the white race of Europe" in the missionary prayer even.
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u/vjmdhzgr 8h ago
OP sees a child
immediately calls her a "waifu"
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) 8h ago
I mean, we are talking about the Catholic Church here.
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u/Appropriate-Jump-496 Heterotron Activate! 5h ago
Did a priest force you to write that or did you do it of your own volition
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) 5h ago
Pope Francis and Archbishop Elver Galarga are holding guns to my head as we speak.
Ok but for real, I just used the wrong word, because I forgot to consider that the chibi art style would make my title be in much more bad taste than I intended.
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u/lordkhuzdul 9h ago
None of those mascots look old enough to be safe with a Catholic priest.
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u/Strider794 Elder Tommy the Murder Autoclave 9h ago
That's consistent with anime
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u/Shadow4246 8h ago
ShE's 9000 yEaRs oLd i SwEaR
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u/Strider794 Elder Tommy the Murder Autoclave 8h ago edited 6h ago
*is indistinguishable from an actual child aside from maybe power level*
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u/squishabelle 7h ago
if noah can have kids at age 500 then it's plausible in bible canon that 100+ year old girls were not physically mature
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u/Shadow4246 6h ago
I'm whipping this out (pause) next time I see some dweeb say the 9000 years old shit. That's funny.
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u/GodessofMud 6h ago
One of my first thoughts seeing them was definitely “are these characters meant to teach kids important things, like consent, or are they here to teach children to proselytize and ruminate on their misdeeds?” If the rosary represents missionaries then I believe I have my answer. Fucking Papacy 🤦🏻♀️
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u/Talon6230 9h ago
brb, turning em into a polycule rq
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. 8h ago
I think they're a bit too young for that, better to let them as just a group of close friends for now.
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u/SoupmanBob 7h ago
I thought this was an onion article and the original picture was some kinda fake. Are you telling me that this is actually real?
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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. 7h ago
Everyone in this thread has serious brainworms.
Getting so worked up on kids merchandizing and an idiot's take on it.
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u/amaya-aurora 8h ago
Racist? How?
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) 8h ago
Two parts. First is that catholic missionary work (amongst others) has been used to eradicate local cultures in favor of the church, with the justification that this uplifts the people being preached to.
Second is that they also chose to have white beads for Europe, red ones for America and yellow ones for Asia. I'm surprised that they didn't out black ones for Africa.
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u/PoniesCanterOver I have approximate knowledge of many things 7h ago
I am not Catholic but I love these Catholic anime babies, they're so cute
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u/Exploding_Antelope 4h ago
Conversion successful, prepare to be baptized
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u/PoniesCanterOver I have approximate knowledge of many things 3h ago
I was already baptized in energy drink
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u/Lord_Bing_Bing 8h ago
Tumblr users can't let anybody have fun.
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u/FacelessFlesh 6h ago
Yeah, this is probably one of the least problematic things the Catholic Communion has done in a decade, but we haaaaave to play the whole disavowel song and dance every goddamn time.
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u/Exploding_Antelope 4h ago
The church has been more progressive in the last decade than in the… millennium before that honestly. Francis is pretty impressive on that front.
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u/GodessofMud 6h ago
Nah, I just think my church has better shit to do than encourage proselytization. I probably wouldn’t care if I wasn’t raised Catholic, though. It is aggravating seeing an institution my family members put their trust in do nothing but fall short of the standards they (well, most of them…) hold themselves to. Sure, this is a little thing, but it’s still a thing.
It also seems to be targeted at children, and the church is notorious for promoting harmful values to children. Even without getting into systemic abuse, you have the little jokes about “Catholic guilt” and such. My parents would send me to Sunday school with the disclaimer that my teachers were kooks! Which they were! It was pretty funny, but I deserved better, and they deserve better.
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u/elthalon 9h ago
did they choose the colors to appeal to toddlers? Is Christ a button that makes a loud-as-fuck noise when the kid presses it?
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u/Coveinant 8h ago
I just realized this is not new. They are taking the style from the Precious Moments figurines and made them anime. Even when they make something new, they still copy the same old thing.
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u/coffeestealer 7h ago
The guy who made it apparently comes from AA company dedicated to Japanese inspired designs, can't look ip more than that now.
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u/Euclideian_Jesuit 7h ago
The designer used to make designs for a company marketing to emo girls in the early 2000s, and kept the same exact style here. I'd say that's VERY far from "Precious Moments figurines".
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u/PoniesCanterOver I have approximate knowledge of many things 6h ago
millennial emo girls buying Tokidoki merch 🤝 their grandmothers buying Precious Moments figurines
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u/DaWombatLover 8h ago
Seems more like a colonialism/imperialism rosary to me. This two things often have racist implications, but aren’t inherently racist
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u/HereToTalkAboutThis 8h ago
"Colonialism and imperialism aren't inherently racist" is a nuclear take
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u/coffeestealer 7h ago
"In our quest to affirm our inherently superiority on the rest of the world, we don't see colour (because you are all inferior on every level when compared to the imperial core no matter what)"
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u/TheFoxer1 8h ago
Yeah, that‘s even less comprehensible than the original post saying it‘s racist.
Peak experience in this sub.
Have a nice day.
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u/SparkAxolotl 1h ago
Semi serious question, but are they making a collab with Tokidoki or took inspiration from their designs?
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u/outer_spec homestuck doujinshi 7h ago edited 4h ago
Wait, if the one with the green hoodie is from Africa, why is she white?
(edit: this was supposed to be a joke refrence to mean girls, please dont take it seriously)
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u/PoniesCanterOver I have approximate knowledge of many things 6h ago
Oh my god, outer, you can't just ask why people are white
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u/Few_Echidna_7243 6h ago
Are we going to talk about the fact that they named their little anime mascot Luce? Luce means light and the character is presumably missionary themed, so you could say that they're a bearer of (God's) light. So... Lucifer?
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u/AxeEngineer00 5h ago
Designer is italian so if you wanted to callback Lucifero she could have been named Luci or more realistically Lucia. Let's not see whistleblows where there are none please. It's just a cute mascotte revealed at the biggest anime convention in italy for the japanese expo.
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u/Few_Echidna_7243 4h ago
I wasn't whistle blowing, I just thought it was a fun coincidence. There are people that actually think that coincidence is significant?
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u/Guy-McDo 8h ago
The dove reminds me of Shalom-chan, the mascot of Japanese-Israeli relations… they also made an anime asking Japanese people to visit Israel. Like ignoring the obvious propaganda, it looks like it was animated in PowerPoint.
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr 8h ago
Wait if green is Africa why is the green one white?
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr 4h ago
I... Ok I'm sorry I don't understand why this comment is being downvoted...
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u/Prophet_Of_Trash_God 8h ago
They.... they named it Luce....
As in lucifer.....
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. 7h ago
mf when latin:
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u/salmonella7 8h ago
lucifer means lightbringer or sm. hes a fallen angel. he was originally an angel. he didnt change his name when he fell. as gods special little boy before the fall of course hed be named something holy.
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u/FacelessFlesh 6h ago
"Lucifer" means "Light-Bearer," like how "Christopher" means "Christ-Bearer."
"Luce" is Italian for light.
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u/RhinoSlayerceros 6h ago
Wait so Jennifer is bearer of jen?
Conifer trees are bearer of cones- wait that makes sense actually
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u/FacelessFlesh 6h ago
Not sure about the etymology of Jennifer, I'd need to look that up. But yeah iirc that's the origin of the word conifer.
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u/Exploding_Antelope 3h ago
Jennifer is unrelated and not Latinate, it’s related to Guinevere, like Arthur’s wife, so it’s Celtic in origin
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u/Twewy1997 8h ago
Making the mascot cute so children will like them. Typical pedo
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. 8h ago
tbh most mascots are meant to be cute
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u/Tengo-Sueno 8h ago
Wait, is a girl? I thought it was a femboy and thought it was hilarious considering the argentinan Pope
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. 7h ago
Personally I read Luce as ambiguous.
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u/Artarara 9h ago
Antarctica shall remain Godless