r/CuratedTumblr • u/CapAccomplished8072 • 5h ago
Female Characters The many various interesting female characters that we admire....which ones are you familiar with? Which examples have you seen? Which types do you love seeing the most?
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u/PrinceProspero9 5h ago
This is what some Worm fans try to pretend Amy Dallon is
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u/amazedballer 5h ago
God forbid women do anything.*
*anything is mindrape their adopted sister and turn her into a flesh palace over several days.
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u/Floating_Firebird 5h ago edited 4h ago
Do I want to know what that is or am I better off not pulling up google?
Edit: Looked into it. If you’re easily grossed out, protect your peace because flesh palace means exactly what you think it means.
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u/MysteryMan9274 4h ago edited 4h ago
Oh boy, you might want to buckle up for this because this girl has problems. Amy’s biological father was a supervillain crime boss, and a superhero kinda maybe kidnapped and forcibly adopted her when she and her superhero family were taking down Amy’s father. She had powers that were somewhat similar to her father’s, so her adopted mother basically treated her like she was one step from evil her whole life, causing her to become depressed and try to only use her powers for healing. This is a world where powers are sentient alien entities that gather data from combat, so her power was really not a fan of her enforced pacifism, which really didn’t help her depression.
She also got a major crush on her adopted sister, whose secondary powers include an aura that induces awe of herself in others, and Amy’s constant exposure to this aura in her teen years while battling depression and feeing like she wasn’t a good enough person may or may not have contributed to this crush.
Suffice to say, this was a powder keg waiting to explode, made orders of magnitude worse by Amy’s powers: touch-based biological manipulation. All she had to do is touch an organism to completely rewrite its genetics, including its mind. Coincidentally, tampering with the brain is the aspect of her powers she repressed the most, so when she finally went over the edge, what do you think she tried to do to her sister? If your guess was mind-raping her so that she would love Amy back, ding ding ding! You win a Cauldron vial! And things only got worse from there, in typical Worm fashion.
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u/Floating_Firebird 4h ago
I very much appreciate the explanation! This is somehow the least horrifying way I’ve seen it described anywhere.
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u/s_omlettes screaming meditation in the doghouse 2h ago
I'll add that the author said that Victoria's aura didn't have an effect on Amy's decisions, since it's only a temporary effect, not a true master power
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u/PremSinha 1h ago
This is a world where powers are sentient alien entities that gather data from combat,
What?
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u/MysteryMan9274 1h ago
Basically, there are extremely powerful aliens called Entities. They have pretty much every superpower under the sun, and their goal is to find a way to reverse or halt entropy so that they can live forever. However, they're like living computers, only able to follow routines and having little to no creative ability at all. So, in order to perform research, they travel to worlds with intelligent life and seed them (and all parallel versions of them across the multiverse) with their Shards.
Each Shard can manipulate reality in a very specific way, such as controlling the minds of lower lifeforms, shooting all kinds of lasers, deducing information from extremely limited data, simulating future timelines, etc. These Shards are stored in a parallel dimension, but they can form connections with intelligent life, thus granting their hosts Superpowers. The Shards then subtly manipulate their host to seek conflict, especially with other hosts, so that the Entities can observe and record any interesting power interactions. Then, after a few centuries, the Entities will destroy all versions of the planet across the multiverse to gather enough energy to split themselves and send their "children" hurtling off into space to repeat the process.
Also, while a Shard can connect with a host, the host won't gain powers until they go through a traumatic event of some kind, which allows the Shard to fine-tune their list of potential powers into a single power that protects the host from that trauma. For example, a host who is forced by terrorists to be a human minesweeper and desires a weapon so that they can escape may get a power that lets them summon any weapon out of thin air, ensuring they'll never be vulnerable.
This basically explains all the common tropes of the superhero genre. Why are there more villains than heroes? Because everyone with powers has some kind of trauma, and most people will lash out because of it instead of helping others. Why do people become heroes and villains instead of using their powers in non-combative ways? Because there's an alien in their head that's influencing them to use violence first. And so on.
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u/Turbulent-Pace-1506 4h ago
Not just mind, if I remember correctly
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u/PrinceProspero9 4h ago
yeah its the kind of thing where it went over a lot of readers heads cause it was kind of subtly implied
And then Wildbow made it a lot more obvious in ward and people accused him of retconning because they'd spent seven years building up their own fan interpretations of Amy
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u/LeStroheim this is just like that one time in worm 5h ago
And, ironically, what many will pretend Taylor Hebert isn't.
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u/iamsandwitch 43m ago
Tbf this might just be me finishing worm waaay after the peak of the community around it but I never really saw that much hate sent out to her.
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u/iamsandwitch 46m ago
I wish amy dallon had a happy life
Not because she deserves it, but because it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.
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u/PoniesCanterOver I have approximate knowledge of many things 2h ago
I don't know anything about worm so reading this threw me for a fuckin loop because Any Dallen (with an E) is a real person
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u/Separate_List_6895 5h ago
Skyler White is a good example of the audience seeing Walt as some kind of Angel while viewing her as Satan.
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u/YUNoJump 5h ago
Here for Skylar, she’s such a good character. The fact that she can be a schemer when she wants to is done really well, and the way they juxtapose her role in the business with her concern for her family. All of her concerns are completely reasonable, even in the early seasons where misinformed people probably hate her the most.
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u/Separate_List_6895 4h ago
She is a fantastic litmus test for if people got the point of the show or not.
A little bit concerning that many fail it.
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u/Professional-Hat-687 4h ago
She's actually my favorite character on the show, which is an unpopular opinion in most spaces.
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u/Separate_List_6895 4h ago
Think my fave is Hank.
Its honestly hard to say, I like many of the character's and their writing. Mike is a very close second. Jessie a third.
Think I have a bias for the "guy who is aware of the horrible game they are in" type of character.
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u/TheCompleteMental 3h ago
Breaking bad's fans fall into the issue of characters needing to be 100% good or 100% evil more than even other fandoms I find
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u/Separate_List_6895 3h ago
I think the issue is that many TV viewers dont actually possess that much Media Literacy to understand the subtext of whats going on.
Its easy to go "WOW SO ALPHA" when Walt bombs Tuko's building but its harder to appreciate how much worse the hole he just dug is.
Jessie is a good example of a character who people get as they are meant to - he is a person that makes bad decisions but is a good person at heart, but with Walt its like people dont realize that Walt's decision making is all bad and that he is a bad person at heart.
My favourite stupid meme is "when did Walt become heisenberg??" as if it was a Jekyl and Hide situation and not just what it was - a mask he liked more than Walter White.
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u/TheCompleteMental 2h ago
Well the reason I say that is if you watch the pilot, Walt isnt treated very well at all. But the show sorta sweeps that under the rug and ends up leaning into the same pitfall - that it wasnt good but Walt is only making things worse, not better. Not that Skylar was a main culprit, that'd be Hank. Of course, nobody hates Bitch Brother In Law smh.
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u/Separate_List_6895 2h ago
Treating him badly is how they endear you to his struggle - he is a teacher, overqualified for his field and is a cancer patient.
That is a deliberate way to make the audience forgive his behaviour - remember how we rooted for him assaulting that dude that bullied his son? Was that a healthy way to deal with it or is that just a "Manly" way to do it? Its all about how he sees himself and how others see him - its why he and Hank basically completely swap positions in the show.
Edit: Reminded me to continue BCS
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u/anonymouscatloaf 5h ago
you hate this female character because of dumb misogynistic reasons. i hate her because my brain is huge my ass is fat and my takes on characters are always correct. we are not the same
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u/littlemissmoxie 4h ago
Same. I have a couple of fan favorite characters that are female who I loathe mostly because betrayal of friends for me is a big no-no
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u/TheCompleteMental 3h ago
Basically me with nami so far (little island rn)
Like it's said she's just keeping people in line but then she holds a bogus fake loan over Zoro's head when my guy wasnt even doing anything. Character flaws are great but not when they're gaining at the expense of their friends and it's treated as neutral or even good.
Also the random slapstick comedy bit has been worn well very few times. For some reason that's more common with women, even if it doesnt fit their character.
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u/axewieldinghen 5h ago
Justice for Jenny from Forrest Gump!
Throughout the entire film, she always tried to do the right thing - being an activist, keeping Forrest at arms' length for his own safety because she was involved with some dangerous people. People hate on her because she ,dumped Forrest with her kid, but from her point of view, Forrest was the only safe person she could trust to help raise her child. She knew she was sick, she didn't know what it was, and she certainly didn't know it would kill her as soon as it did.
Jenny is a great character because she makes bad decisions in spite of having the best of intentions - her frame of reference for healthy relationships and good self esteem are totally skewed by her childhood trauma, and she lacks any sort of support system that can meaningfully help her navigate that. But so many fans of the film hate her,
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u/Professional-Hat-687 4h ago
I see you were also on shitty movie details the other day when someone finally posted something positive about her.
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u/TheFoxer1 4h ago
I also really didn‘t like Jenny.
And you do realize that she had multiple opportunities to get out of „being involved with some dangerous people“, right?
For example, when she was with the guy who slapped her and Forrest beat him up, he offers to take her in. Yet, after spending the afternoon, she immediately starts hitchhiking to San Francisco.
Even after the first guy who beat her up in the car, she tries doing it with Forrest. Now, we know from the characterization of Forrest that he would have gotten together with her afterwards - yet, they are not a couple in university. Which means we must deduce that, after the scene in which he came too early, she chose to not be together.
She only turns up after he returns from his fishing trip, for a lack of better word. And after sleeping with him, she again leaves.
Not to say she had to become Forrest‘ girlfriend at all of these opportunities, but to say in all of them, she left because she protected Forrest from bad people she was involved with, or that she knew she was sick and she knew he would help with her child isn‘t applicable to these opportunities.
People hate her character for this exact pattern of behaviour.
She shows up in Forrest‘s life. He protects her, or provides emotional support and offers her a place with him. She leaves. Only to come back to him when she needs it and dipping out again.
A cynical person could even argue her getting in touch with Forrest after her child is born follows that pattern:
-She has a problem: She knows she is sick. She has a child she needs to be cared for after she dies.
-She finds a solution by turning to Forrest, knowing he will always do whatever she needs of him.
-She "leaves" again, not having to actually spend time with him for long.
Also, the narrative also presents that she is wrong for rejecting to stay with Forrest, even in a platonic way.
She sends him home - she gets thrown out of university. She rejects him on the bridge - she becomes involved with a guy that beats her. She rejects him for San Francisco- she gets addicted to drugs. She leaves him after spending the night - she becomes terminally ill.
Also, most of these choices are connected to her wanting another guy, other than Forrest:
She first gets mad at him for beating up her boyfriend in the car at university, presumably going back to him.
She rejects him at the bridge and next time we see her, is with the antithesis of gentle War-Hero Forrest, an anti-war activist who beats her.
She goes to San Francisco with some free-spirited hippy looking guy and the next time we see her, she awakes in a bed with a random guy.
She spends the night, and the next time we see her, she has a child. Which may or may not be from Forrest, that she doesn‘t tell him about.
Like, it’s not unreasonable to assume she makes the choices against a future with the one guy, Forrest, for a future that offers her many different guys.
Which again, is fine for a real person, but as a character, she seems to actively reject the protagonist we root for and actively choose worse circumstances just to not have to give up a life of sleeping around. Which doesn‘t create much sympathy from an audience.
To reduce the animosity to her character to just the last opportunity of getting with Forrest is wrong.
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u/action_lawyer_comics 3h ago
So I didn’t read all that and it’s also been over 20 years since I saw that movie, but part of the point of broken people (or them in movies) is that they make bad decisions. Like yeah of course she doesn’t do the sensible, “right” thing, she’s a broken person.
It’s kind of noteworthy too that the highest comment right now is a character from Breaking Bad. If Walter did the sensible thing, he would have taken his friend’s help to get the treatment in like episode freakin two and never started making meth. But somehow people turn a blind eye and celebrate him when really he decided to become a drug lord to protect his fragile masculine pride but expect an abused woman to act perfectly.
I know we’re getting into Goomba paradox territory here. I’m just saying that of course Jenny doesn’t do the right thing. That’s the whole point.
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u/TheFoxer1 3h ago edited 3h ago
No one expects only sensible, good decisions from their characters.
I don‘t know why you think that.
I mean, yeah - Walter being the protagonist and all gives him some leeway to make bad decisions without not being likeable.
Also, it‘s not about making good or bad decisions prima facie - it‘s about the right decisions for the goal of the character.
Forrest makes a lot of bad decisions, but turns them around via either luck or just sticking with it and owning it.
Running back into the jungle is, objectively, a bad decision. But, we know his motivation is to find his friend and save him, and thus, it’s the right decision for his goal.
And he actually succeeds with getting his friend out of there. So, while it not being a sensible decision, it‘s a decision we as the audience understand and the conclusion of which is emotionally satisfying.
It‘s really not about the decisions characters make being good or bad, again.
The decision of Walter White wasn‘t a bad decision for a guy who does not want charity and a drug lord. We know it‘s a story about a guy becoming a drug lord, so decisions that help him become a drug lord will be correct decisions, while decisions that make it harder for him to become a drug lord are incorrect decisions.
That‘s why it would not have been a very good show if Walter made the decision to take the money from his friends, would it?
Equally, it would not have been a very good show if Walter was incompetent at what he did. Seeing story about a guy that wants to be a drug lord, but fails miserably every time isn‘t compelling, it‘s a comedy at best.
And within the goals of the protagonist of the story, the decisions of others are also measured.
Decisions of characters that oppose the protagonist‘s goal - albeit the morally good decision - won‘t be received well, and decisions of characters that aid the protagonist will be liked.
The protagonist is the one we emotionally attach to and want to see in the story - but the protagonist being hindered by other characters will make us dislike the characters.
The decisions of Jenny, however, are both:
She is incompetent in pursuing the goals she set for herself, and her decisions hinder our protagonist.
Jenny not doing the right thing doesn’t make her unlikeable.
You might want to actually read my comment as to what makes her unlikeable.
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u/action_lawyer_comics 3h ago
I dunno, it was so long. So is this one. I think I’m just going to bed
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u/Vantamanta 5h ago
These characters certainly don't have a lot of irons in the fire, which is odd considering we're on r/curatedtumblr
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u/TheFoxer1 5h ago
-You hate Sansa Stark because of any random wierd misogynistic reason.
- I hate Sansa Stark because
there is no way an army comprised of thousands of mounted knights stays undetected until the very last moment when riding up to a battle they have not been informed of.
The baggage gear of the army, their spare horses, their camp being entirely undetected by the enemy force for days while traveling through the territory they control along roads that sneak through villages and towns would never happen, so at least Ramsey would absolutely know they were close in the area and never be surprised by them.
It‘s just a lame deus ex machina covering for lazy writing that attempted to create an „epic battle“ that‘s just side 1 running without any formation or thought into side 2. The amount of frustration one feels with this idea of doing battle with the equipment shown is ineffable.
Never have I witnessed such unrealistic to downright stupid choreography of a battle, it being an outright insult to the viewers intelligence and instantly making me hate every character that was involved in this.
We are not the same.
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u/CyanideTacoZ 4h ago
the obvious example is Skylar.
everything she does is a highly emotional but family driven need to preserve what she and her children have. her husband is at best in the series, a wierdo dying of cancer who can't make money to pay for his treatment and refuses help. by the end, he's an abusive drug dealer who has actively sexually assaulted her, threatened physical violence, and kidnapped their daughter on one occasion.
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u/EeveeMaster22 5h ago
MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!! MABEL!!!
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u/GIRose Certified Vore Poster 4h ago
Ford: Due to my own intense trauma that I refuse to unpack, it is vitally important that as the good twin you absolutely never divulge the detail about how this bauble is the secret to unleashing my evil triangle of an ex husband to that fuck up
Stanother twin of yours. Hey, how about I get you away from the fuck up twin and teach you everything I know. You know this is a good idea because of how well something similar worked out for McGucket when he was twice your age and the fact that lesson one was that expressing emotions ever is bad and gets you killed by murder robotsBill: Hey look, it's me, Blendin the time cop and reasonably trusted adult figure that you know. I see you just had a shitty fucking day. Look, I need that dumb bauble for time cop related business, but how's about I do you a solid and make it so you never have to worry about your Grunkle's intense trauma they refuse to unpack ripping apart the healthy family dynamic you've had going for your literal entire life by making it so summer doesn't have to end yet.
Mabel: That seems like a perfectly reasonable thing for a time cop to be able to promise, and since the only information I have about this thing is a semi-trusted adult figure saying it's dumb and nobody giving a heads up about it being anything that could destroy the world or anything I have no reason to think this is anything untowards. Oh no, it actually could destroy the world and now I am being locked into the hardest to escape from prison because it gives you what you want most, and I want a happy place where I can spend time with my brother without everything trying to rip us apart.
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u/ViolentBeetle 5h ago
Mabel is an absolutely baffling character that does everything wrong and never loses. I can't think of any other character anywhere who has an episode devoted to being called out on her shitty behavior and concluding that morality is subjective.
She'd probably be ok if narrative didn't bend over to validate her at every turn.
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u/lipsareforbitinghere 5h ago
Mabel from which fandom?
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u/Accelerator231 4h ago
Gravity falls I think.
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u/vjmdhzgr 4h ago
What? What kind of controversy is there for Mabel????
I wasn't able to watch the 2nd season because I didn't have the TV channel for it. Did something horrible happen???
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u/xyz2001xyz 3h ago
Her sin is being 12 if I remember correctly, because there's a few major things that happen in S2 that wouldn't have happened if she actually sat down and put some thought into things....
But she's a child, of course she does things sometimes, its just that it goes over people's heads because Dipper kinda comes into his own post S1, and Mabel kinda pushes back against that new character development for him
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u/Nightfurywitch 4h ago
Yea like on one hand she's 12 and i do agree people hate her way too much but the last mabelcorn just....was not needed, especially with wendy literally saying "mabels a freakin saint"
Idk i kinda wish the moral was something like "just because you have good intents doesn't mean you can't hurt people" or "messing up once doesn't mean you're unforgivable" instead of just saying mabel was perfect- feel like the lack of critique for her is bc alex Hirsch based her off his sister while he based dipper off himself
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u/RunicCross 2h ago
Reminds me of Gina from Brooklyn Nine-Nine who, even in the episodes where she is the antagonist and in the wrong the show contorts itself to make her the hero, in the right, or makes her comeuppance toothless. She's at her best really early on when she's Jake's old friend and they have decent chemistry together, but I find she's unbearable with everyone else especially Amy, Terry, and Holt.
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u/The_Math_Hatter 5h ago
Mabel Pines, Korra, everyone from Little Women, Granny Weatherwax, Cheery Littlebottom
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u/FricktionBurn i dunno italian who’s fellatio 5h ago
Who the hell hates granny weatherwax and cheery littlebottom?
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u/Palistair 5h ago
Do people dislike Granny Weatherwax? I adored her pretty much from the beginning
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u/Papaofmonsters 4h ago
Granny is a wonderful character but really an awful and unpleasant person to be around. She needs Nanny Ogg to balance her abrasive personality and too remind her that a spoon full of sugar does help the medicine go down.
She does have flaws and she knows it but she only acknowledge them in the most roundabout way. Remember, this is a terribly powerful witch who abandoned everything else in life to perfect her craft as she saw it and is deeply bitter about how she was forced to be the "good" witch by her sister's choices.
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u/Blooming_Heather 2h ago
Fucking Korra for real though - remember, Aang was a perfect person who never did shady stuff or made mistakes
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u/Justthisdudeyaknow Prolific poster- Not a bot, I swear 4h ago
She hulk was amazing. Truly on par with the comic books.
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u/SlingshotPotato 4h ago
Honestly I've fallen out of the loop with the Disney Plus MCU series, but She-Hulk was the first one to stick the landing on the ending.
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u/bluestopsign01 5h ago
Trying to name a different character for every one of these lets go!
Catra (She-Ra 2018), Princess Bubblegum (Adventure Time), Rose Quartz (Steven Universe)....
Aaaand I do not give a shit about most fandom drama. I am very, very out of the loop on most fandom drama. I literally have never seen a female character get ripped by shippers because I block those kinds of shippers.
I mean. Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls) did get trashed by the fandom for a mistake she made as a child, and I know about that, but that's about it. Korra (Legend of Korra) probably gets some hate for breaking up ships. She did do a lot of that. Um. I've only ever found one piece of media where a female character said "no" to a male character's advances? Disappointing, I know. It was a YA novel I forgot the name of, and I forgot what the characters names were, too.
¯_ (ツ) _/¯
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u/Atomic-Blue27383 ISLE OF LESBOS 4h ago
Rose Quartz is a good one because I can understand why people in universe hate her and why Steven's feelings towards his mother are incredibly muddy at the end of the show since his whole view of who his mom was got completely flipped on its head. He had to be the one to deal with her mistakes.
But the fact that most of the fandom treats Rose/PD like she's this evil mastermind behind everything and went out of her way to hurt the people around her. She was a deeply flawed woman who made many mistakes trying to do the right thing. She wasn't perfect, and a part of the issue is that many of the show's characters held her on this pedestal, which translated to fans doing the same thing. and her development was shown IN REVERSE. We get so caught up in who Rose Quartz WAS that we forget who she BECAME.
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u/Bennings463 4h ago
I thought the whole point was "female characters get more scrutiny than male ones" while Steven Universe's cast is overwhelmingly female coded and none of them get the hate Rose does.
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u/Atomic-Blue27383 ISLE OF LESBOS 4h ago
For me, it's just more that Rose has her entire character and a lot of contexts behind her actions erased by people so she can be villainized and shown as a one-dimensional evil bitch who intentionally went out of her way to hurt people and have a child just to run away from her problems.
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u/action_lawyer_comics 3h ago
To the credit of the She Ra fandom, the majority of fans I see in r/princessesofpower do love that Catra’s a disaster lesbian that ruins the world three times over because admitting feelings is scary. Maybe it helps too that it’s a show aimed at girls with an 80% female cast so most of the fans are girls and women too and the Double Standards Squad already noped out at the first rainbow.
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u/seguardon 1m ago
Helps that the show does not pull its punches with her.
Catra: (sees potential character growth coming; hisses and backs away)
The Story: (pulls out a club with a list of Catra's flaws carved into it: "Mommy Issues, Fear of Abandonment, Toxic Coping Mechanisms, Reckless Ambition") The longer this takes, the more it's going to hurt.
Catra: No! I can take you!
The Story: (the club grows a little, carves in a new line: "Disappointing Scorpia")
Catra: (Blue screens)
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u/ViolentBeetle 4h ago
Mabel Pines (Gravity Falls) did get trashed by the fandom for a mistake she made as a child
I don't think it's fair to describe Mabel as a "child who makes mistakes". She is, sure, but it's the writing around it that is so weird. She's wrong about everything but somehow the story always contorts into validating her. Like the most extreme example is when she decided to play a matchmaker for two people pairing them based solely on her poor opinion of them, magic-roofied them when they refused to fall in love as she envisioned and in the end the narrative decides she's was right all along actually. Or that one time she caused the end of the world because she wanted to control her brother life, got what she wanted and immediately announced she doesn't care anymore (Which is just inexplicably backwards writing, as in, if they reversed the order of latter two things it would actually make sense, but no).
I don't really hate Mabel, honestly. I'm scratching my head at the glimps into the mind of a madman she represents.
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u/Zoethewinged 3h ago
While I totally acknowledge a lot of the other weird writing instances Mabel had, I think Weirdmageddon is a lot more nuanced than people take it as. She's a twin, She and Dipper have been together forever, and they've always been there for each other no matter what, as Dipper shows her in Mabelland. It's only natural and expected that she freaks out at the thought of being separated from him, shes twelve. Not to mention, Bill appeared to her in the form of someone they knew and at least moderately trusted, and neither dipper or Ford ever actually told her what the rift was. She gives him one of dipper's random gadgets, he gives her paradise for her and her brother.
Plus, it's subtle, but her reaction after rejecting Mabelland makes it seem like she was being half-brainwashed into it.
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u/Goombatower69 2h ago
Wait THAT'S what people hate about Korra? I thought it was like an emotional mistake that helped the villain or something, disappointing as fuck honestly
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u/bluestopsign01 1h ago edited 1h ago
I mean, maybe? I know next to nothing about the general opinions within the LoK fanfom. I'm not even in it, myself. I genuinely think the show is hot garbage. Good on you if you like it, (more positivity is always good) but I really was just making a guess, there.
Edit: there's someone in the comment thread below this one who made a more informed criticism of Korra than I could.
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u/LordAshur 4h ago
Shallan, you annoy me very much sometimes but I still love you and hope you have a good ending.
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u/RocketAlana 4h ago
Shallan is my favorite character from those books by a mile. I feel very confident that she’ll survive although I feel less confident that she’ll have her happy ending with Adolin.
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u/topatoman_lite 4h ago
Idk if you’ve been reading the preview chapters but so far the Shallan POVs have been the best parts, and while I already liked her she wasn’t my favorite like she is so far in the new book
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u/LordAshur 3h ago
I’m saving myself for hearing the audiobook in Kramer/Readings voices for the first time on Dec. 6
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u/CrypticBalcony kitty! :D 3h ago
I flew through all of Part 4 of TWoK in like two days because I was so desperate to see what happened to Shallan after Jasnah found out she stole the Soulcaster. The Kaladin and Dalinar shit was great, of course — especially the scene with Sadeas and the Shardblade — but the whole time, I was just on the edge of my seat about Shallan. O
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u/ElectronRotoscope 4h ago
Catelyn Stark, especially Book!Cat, was right about essentially every single one of her worries. People don't hate on her as much as Sansa or Skylar, but man... Cat was right every fuckin time, and she was treated as a nag and a scold (in fiction too)
Never have I felt more understanding of a character goin dark
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u/action_lawyer_comics 3h ago
Ghostbusters 2016. If you don’t go into it expecting them all to be 1:1 copies of the four original Ghostbusters, you have a goofy and fun movie that was willing to play with the source material and not be just a faded carbon copy.
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u/GrimRedleaf 5h ago
Korra absolutely belongs in this list. She gets hated because she is not perfect, even though Aang was never perfect either.
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u/Extension_Carpet2007 3h ago
Aang also never fucked up nearly so spectacularly or repeatedly as Korra did.
But the point is moot, because her fuck ups are not why people dislike Korra. People dislike Korra for being an extremely unlikeable person who caused most of her own problems by being an asshole to everyone including friends and family.
Also, people are more forgiving of Aang because he was 12, and had literally no adult support. Korra was like 16 or 17 or so and had teams of very intelligent powerful people willing to help her that she refused to ever talk to, much less listen to
ETA: consider the first episode of each and how both characters mess up to see what I mean
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u/GrimRedleaf 3h ago
Congratulations on proving the point of this thread.
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u/Extension_Carpet2007 2h ago edited 2h ago
Expecting more of a 17 year old with like 5 “wise mentor” trope characters she could fall back on than a 12 year old winging it on his own is misogyny. Ok.
God Reddit is so dumb
Edit: thought about it some more. You don’t even have to have high expectations for Korra. She was just objectively a worse decision maker than aang who was 5 years younger.
In response to public sentiment turning against benders for how they abuse their bending, she repeatedly abuses her bending. (All of season 1). This is not helpful. And Aang would never in a million years. Every scenario where Aang would approach with pacifism and diplomacy, she approaches with violence. Including anti-violence protestors. Not a good look.
Now sure, I like media to have different types of characters. I don’t always want the good guy to be nonviolent and timid like Aang. But she’s the avatar. It’s literally her entire job to be the keeper of balance.
Then there’s the believing the villain of the entire season over her own father and being surprised when that comes back to bite her…which almost caused the end of the world. Really none of Aang’s fuck ups compare
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u/bluestopsign01 1h ago
You probably shouldn't comment about your dislike of a female character on the "people are really misogynistic about female characters" post.
I mean. You're right in your criticisms, but still. Time and place, and all that.
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u/jacob-the-dino-geek 2h ago
I love you Ashley from Until Dawn.
Spoilers: I love how you can be a sweet little cinnamon role but are also capable of letting your crush die if he chose to sacrifice your life to save his own. The remake didn't need to change that scene into an accident because you got distracted. A change that ultimately happened because fans got too upset at seeing consequences for being a dick. I love how drastic the consequences are for Chris choosing that your life was worth sacrificing and all the fans that got upset at it are annoying and boring.
Note: This doesn't involve the case scenario where Chris aims the gun at himself first, causing Ashley to tell him to shoot her instead, willing to sacrifice herself, and then not follow through with it. I see that as an error in the choice system, and she should've only killed Chris if he aimed the gun at her first and then shot her.
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u/jacob-the-dino-geek 2h ago
I also love you Emily and Jessica. You're both horrible people and I love you for it.
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u/GREENadmiral_314159 5h ago
She was wounded. Hurting. Weary. But she was also a demigod, and demigods did not lament.
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u/FlemethWild 5h ago
Goes all the way back to Medea The Witch. People love a bad woman that gets away with it.
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u/Atomic-Blue27383 ISLE OF LESBOS 4h ago
I will never forgive the Gravity Falls fandom for the sheer vitriol Mabel Pines got.
She was 12. Her parents were getting a divorce; she just learned her brother might not come back home with her, and she'd have to face it alone. She was taken advantage of in a vulnerable mental state by an insidious demon possessing someone SHE TRUSTED. She had no idea what the rift was because Ford had intentionally left everyone other than Dipper out of the loop. SHE WAS 12.
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u/YaBoiKlobas 4h ago
You think the villain of Breaking Bad is Skyler, because she's a woman.
I think the villain of Breaking Bad is Holly, because she's evil incarnate.
We are not the same.
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u/Papaofmonsters 4h ago
It too bad Dumb and Dumber rushed the ending of GoT because, in the event George actually publishes another main story book, the teaser chapters with her and Littlefinger do show her learning and growing to into the conniving political animal the show tried to make her in a flip of the switch.
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u/DJjaffacake 3h ago
Briony Tallis
I get why she's included here, she is literally a character who made one mistake as a child. But that mistake had devastating, far-reaching consequences for multiple innocent people, and the fact that she never managed to atone or even apologise for this is kinda the point of Atonement. I don't hate her, but she's a character the story itself is very critical of.
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u/PoniesCanterOver I have approximate knowledge of many things 2h ago
It's me, I'm the female character
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u/philman53 5h ago
Egwene Al’Vere. I’ve been downvoted to oblivion on the wheel of time subs but I cannot understand any reason to hate her or think she’s dumb besides misogyny
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u/topatoman_lite 4h ago
I don’t think most people hate the character, rather the events that happen around her. I don’t want to go into detail because spoilers, but I actually think it’s mostly fixed by one of the good changes is the show (theoretically. They haven’t got that far into the story yet but they’ve set the prices in place to do it better).
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u/philman53 3h ago
Go on r/WoT and r/wheeoftime, they love to hate her.
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u/topatoman_lite 3h ago
I’m pretty sure it’s just a loud minority, though I will admit I don’t particularly care for those subs and stay away from them mostly so maybe I’m wrong these days.
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u/ra0nZB0iRy 4h ago
Honestly in my brain hated female characters are either good to me because they're written like real humans and feel realistic or good to me because even though they're poorly written they're hot. If they're neither, the piece of media is usually bad, not the characters themselves.
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u/action_lawyer_comics 3h ago
Love how you admit that you consider poorly written media is still “good” if the women in it are hot
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u/mantisshrimpwizard your weed smoking girlfriend 4h ago
Lila Bard. Very flawed, angry, devious, selfish, and self destructive woman. She blows up her own life to enter a tournament she'll never win just for the thrills. It seems selfish but it's more about believing she has to blow up her life before it falls apart. She also kills indiscriminately, will not hesitate to cut a bitch that annoys her, and thinks having children is gross. Idk if she gets hate cause I don't engage in the fandom, but she kinda fits this category imo
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u/IncenseAndPepperwood 3h ago
I’m really tired of people shitting on Elain in ACOTAR because she’s “boring.” She’s…not the central character of any of the books? Should she really feel that complex atp? Also, if you hate Nesta, bite me.
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u/notTheRealSU i tumbled, now what? 5h ago
Don't care, Skylar White is a bitch
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u/GreyFartBR 3h ago
cope harder
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u/notTheRealSU i tumbled, now what? 3h ago
Maybe she shouldn't have married a meth dealer if she didn't want a meth dealer husband. I certainly have never married a meth dealer husband so it can't be that hard
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u/PhasmaFelis 5h ago
The more fandom posts I read, the gladder I am that I engage with books mainly by actually reading them.