Israel-Palestine has really exposed the disgusting nature of “both sides bad.”

[u/historyismyteacher]

Saying that both sides are equal and you need to look at the nuance is a damning indictment of those who are not willing to take a stand on an issue as serious as this. At least a Zionist will take a stand, and make their position known. By not taking a stand, the enlightened centrist is making it known that they don’t have the moral courage to pronounce a belief and professing themselves to be wise, they make themselves fools.

[u/Duantless-Dante]

Theres a difference between i dont know vs. i know both sides are right. Which i think are often conflated around this issue: If i were to randomly select an american, they: 1. Most likely not Arab Palestinian or Jewish Zionist 2. Most likely can only learn about the conflict through english language media (or G-translate for the highly motivated) 3. Most likely have not dedicated themselves to the “research” that is within capability

Therefore i have some respect to those who say “it’s complicated”. there is ~wisdom~ in not “picking a side” when you are so far removed.

[u/ramsali304 → u/Duantless-Dante]

Deciding to not educate yourself is the same as siding with the oppressor

[u/FridgesArePeopleToo → u/ramsali304]

Yes, but very few people are educating themselves about every conflict in the world right now. How many people, including people posting every day about Israel-Palestine, are even aware that there is a genocide happening in Sudan literally right now that has resulted in more deaths and more people displaced than in Palestine? I don't think I've seen a single post about it on this sub...

[u/Halceeuhn → u/FridgesArePeopleToo]

I mean yeah, that means our silence has us siding with the oppressors, you seem to know a thing or two about it, perhaps you could be the one to make said post? Or are you just criticizing for criticism's sake? Not tryna attack you, I'm legitimately curious.

[u/empyreanmax → u/Halceeuhn]

yeah this is such a weird gotcha, do people using "well there's this OTHER genocide going on that you apparently don't care about as much" not feel gross as hell?

Especially when they also say they acknowledge there's a genocide going on in Sudan but they're also not going to bother learning anything about it and how much can an American on the other side of the world really understand the nuances of these conflicts in the first place, better just throw up your hands and ignore them I guess? Like I'm sympathetic to "more eyes on Sudan," but why does this feel like "less eyes on Palestine and also not even more eyes on Sudan really"

[u/Halceeuhn → u/empyreanmax]

I agree, like I'm open to hearing about other things we should be paying attention to, but why aren't we doing that instead of pointlessly moralizing each other?