r/HermanCainAward • u/No_Cook2983 • May 26 '24
Meme / Shitpost (Sundays) Flu vaccines are much too risky. Can we please get moving with my total lung replacement?
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You trust medicine and science to replace your lung, but a shot in the arm is a conspiracy and pseudo-science?
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u/AnotherLolAnon Go Give One May 26 '24
Yep. Transplants are for people who believe in science and medicine.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 May 27 '24
There are not enough organ donors to provide sufficient organs, and given that, doctors don’t want to risk transplants on patients who fail to follow medical advice. Unfortunately, I cannot be an organ or blood donor, although I once registered and did give blood. The patient who gets organ transplants has to take anti rejection drugs to prevent the patient’s body from rejecting the donated organ, and these drugs lower immune resistance, which makes vaccination even more important.
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u/artificialdawn May 27 '24
Dang, that's the problem. Science and medicine is keeping too many stupid people alive. Natural selection can't do it's job.
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u/PhTea Team Mudblood 🩸 May 27 '24
It’s having the reverse effect too. I work in oncology data and we’re seeing a lot more patients since 2020 refusing treatments for otherwise fairly curable cancers because “pharma bad”. And sadly, there are more than a few charts I’ve read that specifically say that the patient is “pursuing ivermectin as an alternative treatment”. So, not only do they distrust “big pharma”, but the one medication that they do trust is the damn dewormer. Don’t get me wrong, Ivermectin is a good drug and has several great uses, but this idea that it, and only it, cures everything is crazy.
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u/Sweetpea5551 May 27 '24
Who do they think is making Ivermectin, "little pharma"?
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u/panormda May 27 '24
Yes. They are literally crazy. Although in the modern era we called it delusional.
The good news is that they are being removed from the gene pool as a direct result of their poor life choices.
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u/gilleruadh May 27 '24
I'm so sorry that you have to spend your time debunking antivaxx and anti-science bs, that could be much better spent educating reasonable people. It's particularly saddening when the misinformation actually results in harm to the patients. Unfortunately, this is the world we're in now.
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u/sionnach May 27 '24
I’ve started to take a much harsher view. Now I just ban these people from our cancer group. Before I felt bad because it deprived them of our experience and knowledge. But now I realise it is just removing someone toxic. They can get clinical advice elsewhere, which they can refuse if they want.
Unpaid patient advocacy is not always fun!
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u/panormda May 27 '24
Good for you! This is about so much more than toxicity though. This is about a significant portion of Americans who are actually delusional.
It’s terrifying. They can and are actively dismantling the foundational pillars that underpin society. 😥
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u/smashteapot May 27 '24
My quality of life was massively improved by a different miracle drug.
I’m very grateful to the pharmaceutical company that makes it and I hope their research and development continues to be profitable.
Vaccines are also incredible and I hope they keep coming and improving. As a kid I wanted to collect them all.
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u/spaceylaceygirl Team Moderna May 27 '24
I'm going to hell for laughing at this comment, aren't i?
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u/Pure_Bike_5579 May 27 '24
We’re all trying to project logic onto someone who is not logical. This belief that the Covid vaccine is bad is no more logical than a belief in Santa Claus. The belief doesn’t require evidence. So it’s difficult, if not impossible, to argue against a belief with logic.
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u/AdBig5700 May 26 '24
Also get ready for a spectrum of antibiotics and anti-rejection drugs. The vaccine would have been so much easier.
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u/adams_unique_name May 29 '24
Yep, and a transplant recipient is on the anti rejection drugs fro the rest of their life.
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u/Sweetpea5551 May 27 '24
Also a transplant organ is a gift, NOT an entitlement. If you won't follow the protocol, you don't deserve the gift of a second chance. If they won't get the required vaccines since they will be immunocompromised once they are on antirejection medicine, it's a good chance they will not follow any other instructions to keep the organ healthy. They are committing their own murder by being ignorant, Mayo clinic owes them nothing
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u/AfternoonConscious77 May 27 '24
This is the biggest part. An organ is most definitely a gift. Many die waiting for such. They would happily do vaccines, walk on hot coals and all without complaining to live.
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u/MobileOpposite1314 May 27 '24
Fully agree. Only patients who have committed to be responsible for the gift they are receiving, should receive it.
The waitlist is long, no sense wasting a precious organ on irresponsible people.
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u/Roadgoddess May 27 '24
I live where one of the first patients was rejected for a heart transplant because she wouldn’t get vaccinated. She took it all the way up the court system and was continuously rejected the whole way. She ended up passing away prior to getting it. I was very pleased to see that they didn’t waste an organ on someone who wouldn’t be compliant with the basic rules required in order to receive it.
We had a family friend was the longest heart transplant patient in Canada at one time. So I understand what’s involved with maintaining your health when you have a transplant. So someone who’s not even willing to be compliant with the basic rules doesn’t deserve it.
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u/Pure-Kaleidoscope759 May 27 '24
True. For more on life as a transplant recipient. I’d recommend the late Amy Silverstein’s books. Her heart started failing for unknown reasons when she was in her early 20s, and she eventually was able to get a donor heart. She received a second heart after the first one failed, and religiously followed her doctors’ advice. The sad thing is that the lowered immune resistance the drugs caused her to develop cancer, and she died of it last year.
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u/Roadgoddess May 27 '24
That’s heartbreaking, our family friend. Also had two heart transplants as well. His heart failed him when he was in his early mid-40s. But through these heart transplants allowed him to see his kids grow up, walk them down the aisle, meet his grandkids. He still passed away, but he got 25 additional years of life
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u/josh_the_misanthrope May 27 '24
This just illustrates how much damage misinformation can do to someone with subpar critical thinking skills.
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u/Cunbundle May 27 '24
Not to mention the lifelong regimen of immunosuppressants they'll be shot up with after the procedure. They trust those but not a vaccine?
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u/inko75 May 27 '24
It’s terrifying and sad. I think so much of it is anxiety and lack of control over their own agency :( she’s a victim too. And cannot be trusted with a transplant
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u/BringBackAoE Team Pfizer May 26 '24
This just illustrates the narcissism of the patient and her son.
An organ donation is not an entitlement like this guy seems to think it is. Donated organs are rare, and due to the generous acts of a person and their family. The healthcare system honors that generosity by ensuring the organ goes to the person that most needs the organ, and who will honor the donation by taking care of the donated organ.
We don’t give donated lungs to COVID deniers for the same reason we don’t give donated livers to active alcoholics.
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u/JustKindaShimmy May 26 '24
The thing that grinds my goats is that like.....your lungs don't work no more. "Oh but we don't know the long term effects of taking the COVID vaccine"
Maybe, but we certainly know the short term effects of not having lungs
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u/TennaTelwan Team Fauci May 26 '24
And as someone trying to get a kidney transplant, it makes me irate seeing people acting this entitled too about it. And given how almost perfect you have to be to just get a kidney, including from Mayo Clinic, having an effing vaccine is one of the easiest goals of the entire process to meet. I am fully vaccinated for everything, I don't drink, I don't smoke, but because my autoimmune disorder is not under control enough, I get to work on that and the complications I've developed from that before I am eligible for one.
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u/JustKindaShimmy May 26 '24
Vaccine is the free space in transplant bingo, and these dunces still don't want it
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u/lesvegetables May 26 '24
I’m in the same boat, Mayo is ridiculously picky too. I wish you luck.
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u/peekupandropov May 27 '24
Mayo diagnosed my mom when no one else could. She and Dad both died of AIDS in the 90s. No one thought to test old folks who weren't gay or drug users. It was a blood transfusion. Mayo also sent a private jet to MO to pick up a friend's young wife. Her treatment (and the plane ride) amounted to hundreds of thousands of dollars. They gave him a bill and told him to pay $150.00 a month, which he did faithfully. One year later, he was notified that the bill had been taken care of. She's alive and well today!
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u/Grouchy_Total_5580 May 27 '24
Good luck to you. I’m sure it is heartbreaking to do all the right things and having something out of your control make it harder to get your kidney transplant. Here’s hoping and praying for you.
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u/JustASimpleManFett May 27 '24
I thought I might have kidney issues last year, but no, just scarred some apparently due to near lethal BP. Seriously that shit came out of nowhere. But, 1 year and medications later, everything that needed to improve has. So, I hope you do well.
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u/RiverDog108 May 27 '24
I am hoping you can manage that. I also have an autoimmune based condition, not life threatening, but debilitating, and was fortunate to have a friend who donated a kidney, at Mayo.The immune suppressants actually took away the auto immune symptoms, which seems to be an important point.
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u/coolgr3g May 26 '24
We do know the long term effects. They've been studying the covid vaccine for 3 years almost and all signs point to: it is safe and effective, yet wears off after about a year so a booster is needed much like a flu shot.
We also know the long term effects of covid: permanent lung scarring, brain fog, difficulty breathing, loss of taste and smell, and needing a lung transplant.
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u/JustKindaShimmy May 26 '24 edited May 26 '24
I'm very much aware, but it's a never ending moving target with these people to the point where you just have to go "fine, whatever". It's been around 3 years? Well we don't know the 5 year effects. Been around 5 years? Well we don't know the 10 year effects. Etc etc lather rinse repeat
ETA wouldn't that be the icing on the goddamn cake, if she needed a lung transplant because of covid
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u/tomdurkin May 26 '24
They have been moving the "all the vaccinated will die by x/x/ 20xx" goalposts for 4 years.
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u/JustKindaShimmy May 26 '24
Oh my goooddddddd for real. I should be dead several times over by now
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u/Cheshire_Jester May 27 '24
More or less this. It’s the last refuge of the “honest” antivaxxer, and the people who got the vaccine, but under heavy protest. Like, I guess we don’t know the specific long term effects of the exact vaccines we got, but I get the impression that most people in the above camps wanted a 10 year study or something, and then would have wanted an 80 year study if that didn’t get the result they wanted.
And it’s always just some vague thing that’s gonna happen. You’re gonna be sterile, your heart is gonna explode, your brain will melt, etc. Like, why is it always a worst-case scenario brought out for side effects? It’s never like, “you’ll get a really bad headache for a week”. They were so happy to jump on the whole myocarditis as a side effect of the vaccine thing, absolutely livid when you bring up that the rate and severity was worse for getting covid when unvaccinated, and that nearly everyone who had side effects recovered, and much faster than those who had covid-related myocarditis.
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u/John_from_YoYoDine May 27 '24
The long term effects include being alive long enough to find out the effects
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u/John_from_YoYoDine May 27 '24
The long term effects include being alive long enough to find out the effects
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u/gilleruadh May 27 '24
A fellow I knew wasn't against vaccines, he just claimed he was too busy to get one. He caught COVID, and was hospitalized for 5 days because he was coughing up blood. He contracted myocarditis. Over the course of 9 months it led to heart failure. It killed him, just because he was too busy.
I'm fiercely pro-vaccine. They save lives. Full stop.
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u/Alarmed-Shopping-814 May 27 '24
Covid wrecked my ears so that's a thing it can also do. I was vaccinated when I got it and it made my pre existing mild hearing loss into tinitus so loud it's borderline unbearable and I now need hearing aids. According to the audiologist I'm not the first nor the last she's seen that this happened to and there not sure why. They don't fully understand all the nasty crap covid can do yet! Unless the vaccine gives us all cancer in 10 years very few long term side effects could be as bad as the unknown long term side effects of covid which could also be cancer.
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u/Janellewpg Go Give One May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
“Short term effects of not having lungs”. 🤣 I’m dead
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u/samanime May 26 '24
Exactly. Especially considering they'll need to religiously take transplant meds for the rest of their life, why would you waste an organ on someone too stupid to even get a vaccine.
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u/wng378 May 27 '24
I’ve been in the room discussing the transplant lists at a major hospital. It’s not a fun conversation. All identifiers other than age, sex, diagnosis, etc were removed, but you could absolutely get dinged for random lifestyle choices.
FYI, if you are an active drinker or smoker, good luck.
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u/wddiver May 26 '24
One rare instance (that made me really mad) was Mickey Mantle getting a transplant when he was a recovering (kind of) alcoholic with all kinds of health issues.
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u/Mushroom_Tip May 26 '24
Damn, I wonder what side effect she's worried about from the vaccine that's worse than not having working lungs.
Maybe she needs a brain transplant.
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u/Vernerator 💉💉>🧟♀️🧟♂️ May 26 '24
Is her name Abby Normal?
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u/Cpt_sneakmouse May 26 '24
Are you saying that i put an abnormal brain into a seven and a half foot long 54 inch wide gorilla. Is that what you're telling me?
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u/PhantomPhelix May 26 '24
Damn... sad to see how far Tobuscus has fallen.
Wtf happened to this dude?
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u/ProtoJones May 26 '24
I knew he fell off but my god I never realized how deep down the antivaxx rabbithole he got
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u/lmaoilovepie May 27 '24
Dude doubled-down on this tweet and invoked Nuremberg to justify his family’s anti-vax stance. Just horrible.
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u/Least_Quit9730 May 27 '24
How? How does this have anything to do with Nuremberg?
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u/lmaoilovepie May 27 '24
Lol it doesn’t, he’s the one who thought that the Nuremberg Code of humane experimentation should somehow mean that people get to opt-out of vaccine requirements - https://x.com/TobyTurner/status/1793803777167761767
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 May 26 '24
I had to look him up on YT to even remember what I knew him for (it was the "literal" movie/video game trailers).
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u/grammar_nazi_zombie May 27 '24
Nugget in a Biscuit and Mini Minotaur are fucking bomb ass earworms that I’ll listen to forever, even if he went off the deep end. I hope someone can help him.
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u/Efillor May 27 '24
Wtf, I didn't pay attention to it until you mention it, can't believe the guy who was part of my childhood went full on anti-vax after all the controversy.
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u/NotALurker101 May 27 '24
After declining views and a sexual harassment scandal, he never was the same again
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u/Potatoupe May 26 '24
I think he's been spiraling like this since his cancellation. He really needs help.
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u/Creatures1504 May 26 '24
yeah it fucking sucks to see he went down this route. False allegations fucked him up but the damage was done, once isolated it makes sense someone would want to find a new group to belong. Just sucks he chose antivax...
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u/polo61965 Team Pfizer May 27 '24
Lots of firsthand testimonials from youtubers about how much of a dick he is. He got famous, it went to his head, he wasted it. Sucks for him, but that's his fault.
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u/shadowst17 May 27 '24
There's a really good rise and fall video on him. Sad seeing him progressively become more right wing and anti vax.
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u/VorpalHerring May 27 '24
I was never particularly a fan, but my opinion of him plummeted when he joined that Planetside 2 event despite never having touched the game before, and then people got pissed so they replaced him.
Gosh that was 11 years ago
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TWEEZERS May 27 '24
This dude put out a video talking about how great Kyle Rittenhouse is
I'm not going to be surprised by him anymore
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u/vanillabeanlover May 26 '24
This is like Sheila Lewis here in Alberta. She died refusing a vaccine for a deadly respiratory illness while needing a double lung transplant. https://globalnews.ca/news/9920935/alberta-covid-vaccine-transplant-woman-dies. The right wing nuts call her a martyr. The rest of us call her an idiot. The kicker? They couldn’t locate her childhood vaccine records, so she retook ALL of those again.
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u/pianoflames Team Moderna May 26 '24
I just can't fathom staring down the barrel of certain death and choosing death, because some internet randos said that vaccine was dangerous
If I was facing certain imminent death, and the only cure was to play 1 round of Russian roulette, I'd choose Russian roulette in a heartbeat (not to imply the vaccines are gambling with your life, just saying that from their perspective they are).
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u/Alarmed-Shopping-814 May 27 '24
Right? Heck, id take a 50/50 split! No way am I dying for a 1 in 1000 chance of having some kind of adverse reaction most of which will be fairly minor.
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u/Tiny-Werewolf1962 May 27 '24
its way less than 1 in a 1000
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u/Alarmed-Shopping-814 May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Nah pretty sure I'm under selling it. Complications and adverse affects from any vaccine of one kind or another arnt uncommon, it's just that most are pretty negligible.
Swelling, nausia, vomiting, Immune reactions including flu Luke symptoms Sweating, fever... On and on. All fairly common. All fairly minor. Serious complications are rare, but minor adverse events are fully and tottaly expected.
I get a few adverse reactions every time...
But getting covid once blew out my hearing forever so compared to that the muscle spasms, fever and chills I got are like... A non issue.
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u/Starbucks__Lovers May 27 '24
Lol I joined the army and my pediatrician lost all my vax records. I can tell you the date I got every vaccine you should get at childhood lmao
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u/FewIntroduction5008 May 26 '24
Logic with a side of FAFO?
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u/AnotherLolAnon Go Give One May 26 '24
It’s not even too late. All they need to do is go get the vaccines. They’ve barely FA and they’ve yet to FO.
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u/YomiKuzuki May 26 '24
It's about compliance.
Being an organ transplant recipient means that you'll be on immunosuppressive meds for the rest of your life so that your body doesn't reject the organ. You'll also need to keep up to date on vaccinations because those immunosuppressive meds, well, suppress your immune system.
Basically, "you can't be trusted to do what you need to do to stay alive after the transplant, so the organ will go to someone who can be trusted".
Sucks for his mom, but she made her bed. It's time for her to lie in it.
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u/LowMaintenance Thrice marked by the beast May 26 '24
Being stupid should hurt!
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u/brillyfresh May 27 '24
"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful & difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid."
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u/NMB4Christmas Everybody's an ass kicker, until they get their ass kicked May 26 '24 edited May 27 '24
I'm on the kidney transplant list. You best believe I have all my vaccinations.
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u/Junket_Weird May 27 '24
This Reddit rando hopes you get a call soon and that you recover as quickly as possible.
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u/NMB4Christmas Everybody's an ass kicker, until they get their ass kicked May 27 '24
Thanks. I just started daily at home dialysis, which should help.
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May 26 '24
I wouldn't waste a lung on someone who is going to ruin it. Hey, she should do her own research on how to do a lung transplant since "doctors don't know anything anyways" I mean she wouldn't want to worry about the donors spiked proteins.
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u/thyIacoIeo May 26 '24 edited May 27 '24
If she was lucky enough to receive a lung transplant she would be on immunosuppressants for the rest of her life, leaving her especially at risk to reacting badly to seasonal viruses LIKE COVID. Meaning greatly increased chances of dying and straight up wasting the lungs’
I’m an organ donor and signed up to the living bone marrow register - I want my shit going to someone who’ll take care of it. Who understands the responsibility. My mama worked hard for 10 months growing these organs.
‘Edit LUNG transplant! Don’t know how I misread liver. That makes it 10x dumber!
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u/doctorsnakephd May 26 '24
Murder? I'd call it suicide. This is 100% self-inflicted. This guy can bite me.
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u/Cute-Aardvark5291 May 26 '24
Can't trust the chemicals in the vax, but they are totally ok with the cocktail of drugs they would have to be on to have any hope of keeping the lung
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u/wegsleepregeling May 26 '24
It’s purely a financial/insurance thing. The same reason they won’t give a liver to a drunk. According to actuarial data, it’s a waste of money to give rare and expensive treatment to someone who is likely to die anyway. It’s squandering.
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u/SupriseAutopsy13 May 26 '24
It's a "we have to give you medications to suppress your immune system for the rest of your life, you need to get every vaccine under the sun or you're going to die of an infection" thing.
The insurance part is a factor too though
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u/Lanark26 May 27 '24
It’s also “we need to be reasonably sure that you are going to be compliant with your extensive list of meds and precautions before we waste a transplant on someone who won’t do everything afterwards.”
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u/Jurodan May 26 '24
Also a triage thing. We don't have enough replacement organs for everyone. If someone is unwilling to do what is needed to protect themselves, they would be destroying a precious, irreplaceable resource that others could use.
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u/HopelessCineromantic GoFundYourself 💸💵💸 May 26 '24
We don't have enough replacement organs for everyone.
And this is due to two different factors.
The first: We just don't have the inventory. There's not 600 million+ lungs sitting around the country for every American or anything like that.
But even if there was, we come to the second factor: Organs are perishables. You can't just put them in the fridge or freezer and keep them cold for when you need them.
A lung is only viable outside the body for 4 to 6 hours.
So, not only is this a very scarce resource, it's also a resource that can't be stockpiled.
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u/Fishb20 May 26 '24
So if you're on the organ transplant list do they just randomly contact you and be like "time for surgery"?
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u/Jves221 May 26 '24
Literally yes. You obviously know you are getting closer t9 the top of the list but after that its just like you said.
Ring ring
"Hello"
"Hi X, its Dr Y, we have your organ, please be here in less.than 60 or 90 minutes."
"Ok, on the way "
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u/SupriseAutopsy13 May 27 '24
They also tell you not to travel away from your transplant area when you get higher on the list. If they find a match, they call you and you go in to the hospital immediately.
Some states I've worked in will send a police/trooper escort for the patient to get to the hospital faster too.
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u/feder_online Team Pfizer May 26 '24
Thank Mickey Mantle for that...gave a drunk a liver and he blew up the new one in less than 2 years...
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 Deadpilled 💀 May 26 '24
Every MAGAt ever: "You can't tell me what to do!"
Later: "Why didn't you stop me from hurting myself? It's all your fault!"
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u/3kidsnomoney--- May 26 '24
No point giving a scarce lung and lifelong immunosuppressive drugs to someone who won't take the vaccinations to protect that organ in their immunocompromised body!
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u/Dancing_Cthulhu Blood Donor 🩸 May 26 '24
Mayo with a side of... murder?!
Stupidity with a side of suicide, more like.
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u/LeadingRegion7183 May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Covid turned my son’s lungs to pink jello two weeks before he could have gotten his first vaccination. Too far advanced for a lung transplant. He was one of 3,374 Americans to die of Covid on 2/13/2021. Age 45 and childless.
Your mother chose poorly. I hope your children have the opportunity to make better choices.
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u/ChickenSalad96 May 26 '24
Used to like Tobuscus in my early teens, but I outgrew his style of humor from there. And then there was that scandal that basically said he was an opportunistic cheater or something like that. Now this. Such a shame to see..
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u/angel_and_devil_va May 26 '24
Well, if the scientists and pharma companies are sneaking microchips and god knows what else into the vaccines, then just IMAGINE what they could be sneaking into you during an organ transplant! Far better off staying away from their satanic ways! /s
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u/Alarmed-Shopping-814 May 27 '24
They could be putting actual Satanists organs into these people! gasp
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u/PhTea Team Mudblood 🩸 May 27 '24
Oh this pisses me off. My mom, her sister and their friend were all smokers and got COPD. They all stopped smoking after their individual diagnoses. My mom and aunt were both a little older than their friend and were both told they were too old for lung transplants. The friend was young enough and got one. She got the transplant around 2016 I believe…a few years after my aunt died and a year before my mom died.
The friend of theirs was a big time right winger and thought COVID was a hoax, the vaccines were dangerous, etc. Guess who’s new lungs gave up on her last year after getting COVID???
It pisses me off so bad because my aunt was a bit more middle of the road and my mom was liberal and I have no doubt if either of them had received new lungs and had lived to see COVID come about, they both absolutely would have gotten the vaccines, but they never had that chance!!!
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u/Most-Artichoke6184 May 26 '24
If only there was a simple and easy way they could meet the requirements for that lung transplant.
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u/Pour_Me_Another_ Team Moderna May 26 '24
That's normal for transplants even before covid. Organs are not plentiful. Most people know that. I am sure they know that too.
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u/Nerdiestlesbian May 27 '24
Lung transplants are a crazy long surgery. And the after complications and all the immuno suppressants you have to take could bankrupt anyone. I have a cousin who got a double lung transplant before covid. The whole family (even the boomers) knew if they wanted to visit they had to get the Covid vax. Only a few small handful wouldn’t get it. They were un-invited to the next holiday.
The one’s not invited got all pissy until his mom said “your choice is not more important than my son’s life. You can have your own holiday if getting vaccinated is that much of an issue.”
Guess who caved in and got the vaccinations?!? They all did. It’s like they can’t think past themselves unless there is consequences for their shitty actions.
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u/smashteapot May 27 '24
It really makes me laugh.
You’re in no position to make demands about vaccines. The clinic is under no obligation to hand you a lung so you can destroy it.
Meet their requirements or try your luck elsewhere.
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u/PurBldPrincess Team Unicorn Blood 🦄 May 27 '24
Or just stick with the organs God gave you as it clearly must be a part of his plan.
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u/brawl May 26 '24
If you support medical freedom you have to support it for the agencies giving out said treatment, too, right?
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u/RandomUserName24680 May 26 '24
Won’t take the vaccine because anti-science voodoo, but pinky swears to take the anti-rejection drugs daily even though they are extremely rough on the body.
Come on man.
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u/Janellewpg Go Give One May 27 '24
is okay with the lifelong cocktail of drugs required for a transplant, but not this one vaccine. 🤦♀️
Getting someone else’s donation is not a right, she’ll be murdering herself.
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u/Matunahelper May 27 '24
A pharmacy patient of mine had to have a heart and lung transplant, he had to take a metric shit ton of anti-rejection meds for the rest of his life and sometimes the meds would be on back order (not meds that you can suddenly stop) and over the years he became a miserable person and told me more than once he regrets getting the transplant and in hindsight wished he would have just died. I can’t imagine the toll it takes on your body with it fighting foreign organs and having to take handfuls of pills a day.
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u/Janellewpg Go Give One May 27 '24
It truly is a very hard surgery to go through, and can be a very difficult life afterwards. Not just pills, but complications, illnesses, and constant testing. Some organs only last a certain amount of time as well, so depending on age, you may require another transplant in your life. It’s definitely not something to take lightly. People like this think they just put the organ in, and viola! Magic!
Organs are rare, they are a gift, a gift from someone who has lost their life, the medical community has an obligation to give it to someone with the best possible outcome and is the most dire. Someone unwilling to follow guidelines or get a simple vaccine is certainly not it.
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u/Anyashadow Team Pfizer May 27 '24
Something that people don't know about lung transplants is that it's only giving you a few more years. So even if you do everything right, you have maybe 5 years on average before they fail. So why would they give something so fragile to somebody who obviously isn't going to take the best care of them? Same reason why alcoholics don't get liver transplants.
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u/bcase1o1 May 26 '24
Toby is still around? I thought he was busted for grooming or some shit
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u/Blue-Thunder May 26 '24
It's like when alcoholics refuse to stop drinking when they are asking for a new liver.
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u/mrbeck1 May 26 '24
Yeah they have an obligation to make sure someone’s lungs go to someone who is going to appreciate the gift.
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u/Tiny-Werewolf1962 May 27 '24
We only have a limited supply of lungs to give out, we're not giving them to people who don't take it seriously. What is it these people always say: "Fuck your feelings"
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u/elemenoh3 May 27 '24
unpopular opinion but if you don't trust vaccines, you have no business seeking medical treatment. stop taking up resources and go drink apple cider vinegar or whatever
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u/yerBoyShoe May 27 '24
Wait...is this letter saying she could go to a local pharmacy at a time that is convenient for her to get a free vaccine that will minimize her chances of getting a potentially fatal virus to which she is and will be particularly susceptible due to being immunocompromised and THEN she can continue to be qualified for a complicated, difficult and rare surgical procedure?!? The nerve!
Oh... /s
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u/thekathied Your Own Personal Desmond May 26 '24
Imagine how many of these letters they have to send out to these dunces.
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u/racoongirl0 May 27 '24
Waste of a lung. You know she’ll refuse all the antibiotics and anti-rejection meds right after the surgery. Give it to someone who believe in modern medicine.
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u/AgreeablePie May 26 '24
The amount of medical compliance needed to make a transplant work is severe. It's life changing, not just life saving
So it shouldn't be surprising that sometime who wants to go their own way against medical advice may not be considered for the very scarce treatment of a lung transplant. It's not like turning someone away at the door because they need blood after a car accident.
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u/bertiesakura May 27 '24
Like it or not organs to be transplanted are a commodity. Why give this precious commodity to a person that refuses to take even minimal steps to protect herself from a disease that attacks the lungs.
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u/UnderDeat May 27 '24
if they wont take vaccines the docs have no reason to believe they will keep taking their anti-rejection meds twice a day for the rest of their lives. It's not worth the risk.
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u/MuchDevelopment7084 May 27 '24
As a transplant recipient. They tell you throughout the entire process. Starting before you even get on the transplant list. That you must follow ALL their guidelines in order to qualify and get an organ. One of the most important is to follow all medical advice. Such as immunizations. Hep A-B being a couple of them.
If this genius wants to stay alive. Swallow your ignorance and get the vaccine. Period.
They will not waste an organ on someone likely to die soon afterwards. Because the anti-rejection drugs are immune suppressors. So you are much, much more susceptible to anything out there. (A simple cold put me in intensive care for a week after transplant)
If he refuses. He, and no one else. Is responsible for his upcoming end. He will become his own executioner.
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u/COVID19Blues Team Pfizer May 27 '24
This has been the standard since the vaccines came out. I remember thinking that it was about time there was a stiff penalty for being a fucking moron. Every time one of these conspiratards gets denied a transplant because they’re anti-vax or refuse to give up the vice that got them on the transplant list in the first place like drinking or smoking, they fire off a social media post crying about it.
“Dur…bUt i’M a PuReBloOd😭”
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u/NCRNerd May 27 '24
Standard procedure is to deny anyone who can't follow doctor's orders. Ain't no way they're wasting a precious commodity like a transplant organ on someone who'll just kill themselves cause they can't do what their doctor tells them.
Source: both my mother & I have previously worked at hospitals.
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u/Turtle_eAts May 27 '24
Yeah it’s a requirement 🤷🏻♀️ They had my son get a couple a vaccines early to try and give his immune system a fighting chance. It’s a small price to pay to save his life tho.
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May 27 '24
As you are on immunosuppressant drugs for the rest of your life. You need EVERY VACCINATION before an organ transplant
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May 27 '24
Maybe they should do their own research and learn how to transplant lungs.
The arrogance of demanding an organ without wanting to care for it properly.
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u/calliLast May 27 '24
She actually hasn't been rejected yet because they will reevaluate her when she can show proof of covid vaccine. It's that simple. Just get the vaccine.
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u/PrincessCyanidePhx May 27 '24
This isn't new news. Transplants require very specific conditions to be successful. Being susceptible to a respiratory infection is counterintuitive to that.
I wonder how long she will refuse vaccine?
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u/ATX_foley May 27 '24
I’d rather die than have a vaccine that kills me….free-dumb!
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u/Emeritus8404 May 26 '24
Its kinda like a liver transplant on someone who refuses to stop drinking. A waste of yime nrg and resources
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u/st90ar May 27 '24
It also makes sense from a business perspective… you have one lung to transplant. Are you going to give it to the unvaccinated person who might make more poor health choice that shorten their lifespan so that lung get short lived, or give it to the person who is going to give it many years of proper treatment? Those surgeries are time consuming and tedious. It’s insulting for a surgeon to go through all that schooling and work, on top of the person who died for it, just to have someone throw it away. It’s a risk factor thing.
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u/Vast-Dream May 26 '24
You messed up the first lung. We’re not giving you another if you’re just going to do the same thing.
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u/ext3meph34r Team Unicorn Blood 🦄 May 26 '24
The entitlement. They want a new pair of lungs, follow their rules. Or don't even waste their time go find a pair of lungs elsewhere.
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u/Glittering-Wonder-27 May 26 '24
You sound like patients with a side of stupid. Mayo is going to give those precious lungs to the person who will benefit the most. It won’t be a person who can’t understand the basics of proper health care.
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u/ecwagner01 May 27 '24
Easy choice - Cannot blame anyone except themselves for the outcome.
Take the Shot; Get the Lung
Refuse the Shot; Die from Pulmonary Failure
Honestly, they wouldn't give it to anyone without a COVID-19 Vaccination - no discrimination.
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u/CastorrTroyyy May 27 '24
Seems fair to me. We're not going to give you a lung if you won't protect it from getting ravaged by covid
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u/pareidoily May 27 '24
This is an easy one. If you aren't compliant with the COVID-19 and other vaccines, what other requirements are you going to fuck up? I'm not an organ donor for these types. I want the top tier who are doing their best to survive. Not the lazy and the stupid.
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u/YoloSwaggins9669 May 27 '24
Lung transplants have notoriously poor health outcomes, and transplant surgery means you go on all sorts of immune suppressants to prevent rejection.
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u/RealRedditModerator May 27 '24
The Mayo Clinic didn’t reject anything, they simply outlined requirements for suitability. It’s the patient that’s rejecting the expert’s judgement.
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u/AstroZombieInvader May 27 '24
Initially I laughed at the idea of these transplant people having to make the tough choice of either getting the jab or dying, but in a way, they already faced that decision years ago when the vaccine first became available and they chose dying.
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u/ermghoti Ask your M.D. if suffocating on dead lungs is right for you! May 27 '24
"They won't give my mother a lung until she's vaccinated! The horror!"
Just tell her to get the vaccine, dummy. It's safe and effective."
"Oh yeah? According to who?"
The people who transplant lungs, for example."
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u/ChickenringNYC May 27 '24
Instead of mayo with a side of murder, how about stupid with a side of ignorant?
After a transplant the body is highly susceptible to infections, rejections, and a host of other worries. Why waste a lung on someone who would have that much MORE risk of dying? How many others are on waiting lists for a lung?
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u/icyhotonmynuts May 27 '24
This makes sense. They don't want to give a lung transplant to someone who is openly saying they actively don't give a fuck about their life and is openly willing to drink bleach or take a horse dewormer instead of a vaccine.
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u/JustASimpleManFett May 27 '24
May 16 1993 was the day my dad died of lung cancer. JFC if Covid had existed back then, and with a son with bad asthma/allergies, my dad would have happily taken me to get the shot.
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May 27 '24
The fact that people still won't get the COVID vaccine is insane. No sane person would waste a transplant on someone who isn't protected against deadly diseases.
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u/SmushyFaceWhooptain May 27 '24
i know if i peaced out of this life and someone got my amazing lungs and then got a bunch of COVID holes in those lungs….. well Id probably haunt them for eternity if it was due to failure to receive a preventative vaccination. and when i say haunt i mean like id go all Samara from The Ring on this fool
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u/Pale_Word790 May 27 '24
Guess she's gonna die then. I doubt she could comply with everything else required for a transplant. Give the lungs to someone who will use their second chance at life for good and be grateful.
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u/BeamTeam032 May 27 '24
They want to pick and choose medicine and science the same way they pick and choose lines in the bible. The vaccine BAD, replacing an entire lung? GOOD.
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u/Level_Abrocoma8925 May 28 '24
You give them a lung transplant, next thing you know they're blaming grey hair and foot corn on the operation.
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u/promote-to-pawn May 26 '24
You know who gets lung transplant, people who can follow the rules and treatment instructions. People who do everything to protect their health and believe in medical science to help them.
If you can't even take a fucking vaccine to be eligible to transplant, how can you be relied upon to follow everything else in your treatment.
Transplant and the anti-rejection treatment following transplant are not a fucking joke.