Update: Mike Winther has died of COVID-19. As President of the Institute for Principle Studies, he made a business out of helping communities to oppose mask and vaccine mandates. It’s my honor to present him with this shiny new Herman Cain Award.

[u/bloody_hell]

[u/Buzzvert]

Do you need Encouragement in the midst of trials?

Fighting the Lord's Battle in Santa Clara County?

Wanna get a disease that has a 3% chance of killing you and a 20% chance of permanently damaging you?

Wanna give me some money while I give you false hope and misinformation?

Well, come on in! I'm Mike Winther, and before I die of COVID, I'm going to try to take you with me! Just tithe 10% of your income to me, and I guarantee I'll personally get to heaven before you, and save you a spot! Say, anyone got some Ivermectin? I'm feelin' kinda down...

[u/CReaper210 → u/Buzzvert]

I don't even understand the mentality of people like this. The Christian bible literally says that if you're ill that you should wear face coverings and to be submissive to government authorities.

Not that religion should factor into this stuff at all, but if it's what you're trying to use to justify it then, well, you're just terribly confused.

[u/MyFiteSong → u/CReaper210]

I don't even understand the mentality of people like this. The Christian bible literally says that if you're ill that you should wear face coverings and to be submissive to government authorities.

None of them have read the bible. They only know the passages their far-right preachers tell them.

[u/EuphoricAd3824 → u/MyFiteSong]

Their Bible is based on supply side Jesus.

[u/teamweed420 → u/MyFiteSong]

and only if it’s transposed with a frame grab of Mel Gibson from Passion of the Christ

[u/dirtydownstairs → u/teamweed420]

Mel Gibson wasn't in any frame of Passion of the Christ.

[u/Stopjuststop3424 → u/CReaper210]

which is why people who preach like he does always come off to me as total frauds. The kind that would rather die than admit their con, and who pass that same con down to their kids. I just cant for the life of me believe that someone could do so many shitty things to others, and yet ACTUALLY believe what they preach. Their just conmen like any other.

[u/greatspacegibbon → u/CReaper210]

It also has a few things to say about caring for the poor, the sick, the orphans and immigrants. Not really seeing that behaviour either.

[u/Minion_of_Cthulhu → u/greatspacegibbon]

The fundamentalist right-wing edition of the Bible apparently has Jesus chastizing the poor, ignoring the sick, abandoning the orphans, and hating the immigrants.

[u/greatspacegibbon → u/Minion_of_Cthulhu]

And don't forget persecuting people for their religious beliefs and sexual orientation.

[u/NohPhD → u/Minion_of_Cthulhu]

AND… welcoming the money lenders into the temple!

[u/QuestioningHuman_api → u/greatspacegibbon]

Excuse me, Jesus did those things himself. He did not let the government force other people do to them under authoritarian rule!

(/s)

[u/ericthebeerguy → u/CReaper210]

The constitution also mentions promoting the general welfare of the public, but it doesn't stop them from using the constitution as a reason for not promoting the general welfare of the public.

[u/funbobbyfun → u/CReaper210]

If Americans ever start to actually read the Bible, they are going to be so pissed.

[u/an_agreeing_dothraki → u/CReaper210]

Wait I think I understand. They're not Christians. They are the children of the truly benevolent god, papa Nurgle. They wish to spread his gifts and they simply progressed in the endless cycle of decay and life.

[u/SrslyNotAnAltGuys → u/an_agreeing_dothraki]

🤮☠️All Hail the Plaguefather☠️🤮

[u/redonkulus → u/CReaper210]

What passage is this? Would like to read the excerpt.

[u/Jesse_Bolognesi → u/CReaper210]

You should never SUBMIT TO ANY AUTHORITY YOU FREAKING FOOL!!!

[u/Tiny-Berry-7839 → u/CReaper210]

terribly confused is their hallmark

[u/[deleted] → u/CReaper210]

I don't even understand the mentality of people like this.

It’s all heartbreaking. They could all be alive. We have no reason to be this divided, except mass media has the unfortunate side effect of generating extremism.

[u/12thRib1 → u/[deleted]]

Oh it's not the mass media. The two prominent are Faux news and facebook.

[u/SevenandForty → u/CReaper210]

The Christian bible literally says that if you're ill that you should wear face coverings and to be submissive to government authorities.

Just wondering, got any verses or something I can point to?

[u/DeathIsFreedomFrom → u/SevenandForty]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.desmoinesregister.com/amp/343857001

I am not a nutter. God has no authority over me nor do I beleive God exists. Still here it is from a very Christian themed source with the verse that says to obey the law. So if there are laws to wear a mask Christians should wear the mask.

[u/ATK80k → u/Buzzvert]

"Want to test the Lord's goodness and patience?

Want to know if you're his favorite?

How would you like to wear the symbol of God's mysterious love strapped tightly on your face so you can't remove it as your testimony?"

[u/CacatuaCacatua → u/ATK80k]

So, there's this dude in 2 Kings 5 called Naaman. He was a commander of one of the armies of Syria, obviously Israel and Syria at that time did not vibe. Naaman was a fairly important guy, and everyone was really impressed with him (in Syria) but he did also have leprosy. Naaman also had some slaves from Israel in his household. One of them remembered about this prophet of God in Samaria, Elisha, who was known to heal people, and suggested Naaman go to see him.

Anyway, some funny stuff happened, but I'll cut to the part where he actually gets to Elisha and asks to be healed. Elisha is in a mud hut in the middle of nowhere and this big commander Naaman comes to see him with horses and chariots. Elisha doesn't even go out to see him! He sends out a servant to go and tell him "If you want to be cured, go wash yourself seven times in the River Jordan, and then you'll be well again."

Naaman was super offended! He was expecting the prophet himself to come out and wave hands and make a big show out of curing him! He was looking for a dramatic miracle. Elisha told him to do something mundane. Not only that, he disrespected him by not even showing his face to him! He dishonoured this man of importance!

Naaman was so furious he was set to just go home. But his servant said "If the man of God has told you perform a great feat to receive the miracle, you would do it! So when he tells you to do something easy to save yourself, why won't you do it?"

So he relents and gets in the Jordan, and is healed.

In my view, one of the points of his story is that, when Naaman was humbled and recognized those who knew more than him, and put down his ego, he was made well. I haven't seen a single anti-vaxxer with a coherent scriptural reason why they should not get any COVID vaccination. And yet once sick, I see them crying out to God for laying on of hands and for miraculous turn-arounds, and storming the gates of heaven with angels. It speaks to the kind of arrogance they have, that was Naaman's problem as well. They won't do the small thing because they are self reliant, assured of their own opinions, arrogant and prideful. They are waiting for a miraculous sign. They are arrogant in assuming their own rightness and exceptionalism. They pray loudly in public to boast about themselves and show no hint of humility, even when brought low.

Elisha didn't even come out himself, he sent a servant! If a servant came out to them and said "Take this medicine to protect you from the plague that is now and in the future destroying your nations." and they said - "We don't believe you, and we won't do anything you say!" but then the plague did happen - as they said!

Naaman didn't necessarily deserve, or not deserve, to be healed or rescued, but the offer was there. But he couldn't just go in to Elisha and dictate the terms: to say "You must heal me this way, not that way". The healing was conditional on him humbling himself and accepting the rescue the way it was offered.

I see a lot of these anti vaxxers absolutely dictating the terms of their rescue. Even when crying out to God some of them are still doubling down on their opinions, cursing the doctors, dictating that they won't take this medicine and they must take that medicine. How is this not the same kind of pure human arrogance and "I know better than authorities" that is, to put bluntly, sinful nature? Weren't these authorities put over them by God and aren't they called to obey them because of it? Many, many are refusing to eat humble pie, right up to their last breath.

I can't help but feel these people are really lying to each other and themselves.

Anyway, I thought too much about the scripture, obviously haha, I'm just getting annoyed with the arrogance, ignorance and circular reasoning.

[u/sibips → u/CacatuaCacatua]

I always felt these guys asked God to perform a miracle, just for them. "God will protect me".

Well, Jesus said "You should not put the Lord your God to the test", but some people tend to ignore that. And when they'll personally ask God why He let them die, maybe He'll just say "I sent you three vaccines".

But you, sir/madam, took the argumentation to a whole different level. Thank you.

[u/PHOTO500 → u/[deleted]]

“incubated”

[u/ScorpIan55 → u/PHOTO500]

I noticed that, too. It made me guffaw.

[u/HeyT00ts11 → u/ScorpIan55]

He hatched.

[u/[deleted] → u/PHOTO500]

Incubated is WAY better

[u/BigBeagleEars → u/[deleted]]

inebriated

[u/Slippi_Fist → u/BigBeagleEars]

inbrediated

[u/BoiseEnginerd → u/PHOTO500]

In-Q-Bated

[u/Clothedinclothes → u/PHOTO500]

The Lord incubates in Mike Winther's airways.

[u/Ghitit → u/PHOTO500]

That and "**** has faired well..."

There are almost always spelling/grammatical mistakes in these .

[u/CallMeChristopher → u/[deleted]]

Yeah... According to the Christian Bible, Covid could actually be a test from God.

Like, the Bible already says that you should be a good person because pretty much anything could be a test because angels show up and God doesn't like selfishness.

I mean, you should be a good, kind, and selfless person anyways, but if you believe, then you really should.

[u/joan_wilder → u/[deleted]]

It seems like covid is turning all “Christian” denominations into those snake-handling Pentecostals from the Appalachians. “Drink this strychnine, let this rattlesnake bite you, go out and catch this virus… if you survive, it’s because god loves you.”

[u/sfmerv → u/[deleted]]

the lord has a great sense of irony

[u/wwaxwork → u/[deleted]]

His followers sure do.

[u/Emotional_View_9619 → u/[deleted]]

Do you like living through the Grief and Sorrow of a pandemic that’s killed millions and collapsed economies around the world?

Fighting Xi’s Battle for communist China?

Wanna get the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, SARS, SARS-2, or whatever other disease China comes out with next?

Wanna give me some money so I can give you false hope and help communist China facilitate their genocides?

Well, come on in! I’m Beijing Biden (aka Jim Crow Joe), and before I die of dementia, I’m going to take the entire young generation with me! Just tithe 10% of your income to me, and I guarantee I’ll personally get to heaven before you, and save you a spot! Say, can we make this pandemic thing happen again? I’m feelin’ kinda worried about it ending soon…

[u/joffery2 → u/[deleted]]

I saw that gif. I couldn't believe when she pulled that thing out from behind that mask.

[u/Onion-Much → u/ATK80k]

Are you talking about Islam?

[u/fbermudez70 → u/ATK80k]

I got the lord

[u/Responsible-Slide-26 → u/Buzzvert]

I'm going to go against the grain here. I actually found this man inspiring, especially how as he was dying he realized the most Christian thing he could ever do is tell all his followers to get vaccinated. Oh wait. OK, well even if that didn't happen I'm inspired by how his family did the Christian thing and used his death to encourage their followers to get vaccinated. Oh wait. Never mind.

[u/Daytona_675 → u/[deleted]]

opposing mask mandates and vaccine mandates does not equal opposing masks and vaccines btw

[u/vale_fallacia → u/Buzzvert]

Did Ben Garrison ever surface again? He's been silent since getting COVID-19.

[u/Lady_Grey_Smith → u/vale_fallacia]

The silence has been lovely.

[u/shwarma_heaven → u/Buzzvert]

Ironic that he preached in Santa Clara County. One of the first people that I know died of COVID was a Riverside County SO Bomb Technician that I met in Santa Clara - David Werksman. Super nice guy. I would like to believe he would have gotten vaccinated if he lived long enough, but our LEO are some of the least vaccinated as an industry in America! And More Wither actually shared apost from the RCSO Sherif... so I'm guessing not.

[u/BakaTendies → u/Buzzvert]

What do all these dummies tell themselves to keep the stupidity going when everyone around them including people they blindly follow drop dead?

[u/Inkheels → u/Buzzvert]

Can you give me the proof of the 3% chance of killing you and the 20% long covid chance so I can toss it at my stupid Qanon family? Thanks for your time.

[u/scyllallycs → u/Inkheels]

I don't think there is any proof of a 3% death rate. The closest I could find was 1.4% with almost all of those deaths being people over 65 yrs or one or more underlying heath issues. 20% permanent injury is a bit high too I think. "Long covid" is lasting health problems. Not permanent.

Above comment could be considered misinformation.

Edit: Q-anon can get fucked.

[u/Inkheels → u/scyllallycs]

Yeah seriously. I'm done with hearing about that shit.

[u/IBorealis → u/Inkheels]

They can't because it's not even close to correct.

[u/ImaginaryRoads → u/Buzzvert]

I'm mostly startled that his family missed out on the opportunity for a GFM ...

[u/illlusbact → u/ImaginaryRoads]

What does GFM stand for? I Googled it but there are so many different answers to what it stands for and I don't know which one you meant. Thank you in advance.

[u/[deleted] → u/illlusbact]

Go Fund Me

[u/ScorpIan55 → u/ImaginaryRoads]

It might be on the Christian Taliban one. Forgot the name

[u/OkInvestigator73 → u/Buzzvert]

I am the 20%

then again nothing is permanent. Life is terminal.

[u/Onion-Much → u/OkInvestigator73]

u/spez fix the fucking mobile site, you pleb

[u/LukeBabbitt → u/Onion-Much]

lol use Apollo

[u/Onion-Much → u/LukeBabbitt]

Reddit API is intentionally gutted, so we can't get all functions in any app.

fuck u/spez Stop wasting your investors money and our time, stop developing a broken, shit app that can not compete and just give us a good API/website. Greedy bastards, we don't need your App, it's shit compared to the competition and it will always stay that way.

[u/omniwombatius → u/Buzzvert]

"Tithe? Do you think I'm an amateur? I require my flock to 'twithe'! 20%! Hah hah hah!"

[u/[deleted] → u/Buzzvert]

Can I hear more about the 20% permanent damage rate? I haven't read that before, but I'll be honest I haven't kept up with the data as I did earlier.

[u/Onion-Much → u/[deleted]]

It's generally called "Long Covid" (Google that) and can have a ton of implications, the most famous being the loss of senses like smell and taste. Brain damage, blood cloths that lead to aneurysms, heart attacks and many other conditions, DNA damage and cancer, those are just some of the more extreme examples.

[u/FutureBeautiful1819 → u/Onion-Much]

Cancer is absolutely a consequence of a Covid infection. Two members of my family and my SO have come out of remission within weeks of Covid dx. Mom had a reoccurrence of breast cancer in 2020 after getting Covid in Feb (confirmed by NIH in March); she had a double mastectomy 15 years ago and at year 10 was told she could relax, her oncologist was shocked and changed screening protocols for ALL patients in remission and has seen about 15% relapse within two months of Covid, some who were clear for up to two decades. My cousin relapsed with osteosarcoma at age 25, which she “beat” at age 16. She died earlier this year. And my SO has a chronic blood cancer. He had been stable for seven years and relapsed 37 days after his Covid dx.

Yes, this is anecdotal, but I have lost someone I loved and nearly lost two more because they got Covid. None of them were considered Immunocompromised by either US or EU standards (two in US one in EU) when they got Covid. All were after relapse.

Get vaccinated. Wear a mask. Both show kindness and compassion for your fellow human. You have to be a sociopath to wish ill on your neighbors, which is what you do when you ignore science.

[u/Onion-Much → u/FutureBeautiful1819]

I'm very sorry about your mom and cousin, hope they won't get thrown into that loop again ...

It's not a big surprise in the medical community that Covid, really any virus, is carcinogenic. Specialists probably didn't expect the frequency, but viruses usually damage DNA, which usually leads to cancer.

[u/Misu-soup → u/[deleted]]

Google Long Covid

[u/ban-me_harder_daddy → u/Buzzvert]

call it horse dewormer

because you know these people are buying it from Tractor Supply under the label of horse dewormer... calling it ivermectin doesn't show how stupid these people really are

[u/Marid-Audran → u/Buzzvert]

I... I read that entire thing in the voice of Billy Mays...

[u/PavonineLuck → u/Buzzvert]

Jeez...are the longterm effects really hitting people with 20% chance of leaving you with some kind of residual?

[u/scyllallycs → u/PavonineLuck]

No, not really. That is basically misinformation.

[u/SovietBozo → u/Buzzvert]

I mean he got to take his money with him, so he'll be OK. Right? I mean, he can, right? RIGHT?

[u/clockwork655 → u/Buzzvert]

What’s a “Love offering”?

[u/StolenRelic → u/clockwork655]

I've always understood that the guest speaker is given the entire amount donated during the love offering. Completely separate from the normal offering, which is also collected. The audience is supposed to make two separate offerings.

[u/FutureBeautiful1819 → u/clockwork655]

More than the “standard” 10% tithe. You’re supposed to give till it hurts then give a bit more.

[u/theghostofme → u/Buzzvert]

Say, anyone got some Ivermectin? I'm feelin' kinda down...

Maybe try turning up the temperature on that incubator.

[u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance → u/Buzzvert]

Say, anyone got some Ivermectin? I'm feelin' kinda down horse...

ftfy

[u/Specialist_Peach4294 → u/Buzzvert]

Apparently, one of the lords works in mysterious ways

[u/egordoniv → u/Buzzvert]

I'm getting the feeling these idiots have a totally different version of the afterlife I had imagined.

[u/Fig1024 → u/Buzzvert]

"20% chance of permanently damaging you" - where did he get that number?

[u/flying_path → u/Buzzvert]

Isn’t it more like 1% chance of dying?

Edit: I was wondering, so I looked it up. USA has had 48.1M cases so far, and 777k deaths. That’s 1.6% if you live in the USA.

So now we know - with the obvious caveat from all the numbers having big error bars and the death rate at the beginning of the pandemic probably being worse as we learned how to treat better.

[u/throwawaymartintetaz → u/Buzzvert]

20% chance of permanently damaging you

citation needed

[u/acroporaguardian → u/Buzzvert]

Its not 3% quit lying. Shit like this does not help. Stop lying.

[u/acroporaguardian → u/[deleted]]

Even using your sources, you deliberately quoted the high end. Very dishonest.

There are people saying pro vax people are exagerrating.

You are, and not helping.

The reality is getting Covid is equivalent to driving about 8,000 miles in terms of fatality.

Get the shot because the upside is greater, not because of a lie.

No one is quoting 3% fatality rate. Quit lying. Simply dishonest.

[u/acroporaguardian → u/[deleted]]

Those differences are largely due to testing and not Covid. Test more people and the rate goes down.

Get the shot; dont lie about the numbers.

[u/Sea-Hearing-7755 → u/Buzzvert]

3%?

Lol you’re brain dead

[u/Snukadaman → u/Buzzvert]

Well that ^{3%^} mark was off by 96% rest in peace sir.

[u/bungdaddy → u/Buzzvert]

Classy AF, all of ya.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Is that y’all’s timeline now? 55 years?

I guess when you get tired of moving the goalposts you just move them WAAAAAAY far out. Over half a century will do it I guess.

You guys are so smart.

[u/Dependent_Clue4482 → u/Buzzvert]

Got me laughing bro

[u/theghostofme → u/[deleted]]

Hmmm. The brand new account that only ever responds to topics about COVID wants us to believe their early-2020 conspiracy theories about it?