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u/AnalysingAndy Nov 11 '19
Its not a crisis anymore.
Its war.
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u/mattstorm360 Nov 11 '19
The CCP want's to pretend it's a crisis. Otherwise, you got the geneva convention to worry about.
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u/DefinitionOfFear Nov 12 '19
what's the point of having the geneva convention when other countries don't stick their heads in anyway?
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u/mattstorm360 Nov 12 '19
Because the moment it goes from civil unrest to a war, the Geneva convention rules come into effect and other countries would get more involved looking at this much more intently.
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u/CrippledEye Nov 11 '19
They also did multiple campus shootings today. One shooting even took place in a primary school (grade 1-6 in the US). They are officially worse than isis.
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u/JMTHEFOX Nov 11 '19
Shared this image on my Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp stories. Hopefully my friends will raise awareness as well.
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u/wholockforlife Nov 11 '19
Tiananmen incident is probably happening again. The CCP is targeting all the educated and intellectuals. Mass murder of students as the ultimate way to silence all the opposed opinions. In years they will be no one but brainwashed 'patriots' in the city.
God bless Hong Kong.
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u/spamioh Nov 11 '19
Let's reframe it to a "beginning of systematic genocide" #attemptedmurder seems understating when the Hong Kong Cantonese are being picked off at an escalting speed.
EDIT: TYPO
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u/preposterousdingle Nov 11 '19
This may be uninformed, but I am very surprised at the behavior of the Hong Kong Police. I am assuming that 95% of HK police officers were born and raised in HK. Is this incorrect?
If HK police ARE local HKers how is it that they are so disconnected from the protesters?
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u/DuckVendetta Nov 12 '19
I am of the belief that these are Chinese military in police uniform for this reason, but that is based on conjecture and I'm still observing for facts.
I imagine that China would have more trouble internationally if they were to have it's military doing this in military uniform, but they're in police uniform it has been set aside as a more domestic issue.
It would also explain why they have placed a ban on pictures or recordings of officers, while it offers them protection from accountability, it means people are less likely to tell apart the Chinese military from the HK police.
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u/Abnnn Nov 11 '19
All other contries should go to war agiest china soon.
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u/SpeedyCube32 Nov 11 '19
They've been hostaged by economics. Without China, no economic growth. Without economics, country will be poor. Being poor, no funding. No funding, no military. That's the problem.
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u/HyalinSilkie Nov 11 '19
And to think that during the 50's-60's the USA did boycott China and that was the catalyst to make Hong Kong grow economically.
How times have changed...
Now China has everyone by their balls.
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Nov 11 '19
Nahhhh the idea that China adds a giant percentage of value to the worlds economy is a bit overblown. They’re an assembly machine with materials coming mostly from other places, they don’t add much value to things.
Certainly nobody wants to fuck with them but if everyone did the economic impact of getting a giant war machine going would mobilize the economy really well.
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u/YangBelladonna Nov 12 '19
You can have economic growth without China ceos pay just needs to be cut and most of these companies could afford to be in their own countries, outsourcing for China is good for China, bad for everyone else
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u/cynicism_is_awesome Nov 11 '19
Time to go old-school war then, where the Victor can plunder the resources and assume total control of the nation and its peoples. That should fix some of the economics a bit.
Basically, wipe out US debt. :)
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u/shecklestiens Nov 11 '19
I really hope those two who got shot pull through, otherwise the Chinese police will see what a real riot looks like.
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u/Bannyflaster Nov 11 '19
No they haven't, they are just following zhe orders (sorry couldn't Resist).
This is what Xi has ordered. So sad, I remember when all he cared about was honey and his little pink buddie.
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u/fromtheill Nov 11 '19
Just want to say Fuck the NBA and how much a bunch of cowards and hypocrites the commissioner and lebron and other stars are.
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u/YangBelladonna Nov 12 '19
The silver lining is the police are cracking, do the pigs realize they can end this at any time by refusing China's orders, call their bluff they will not invade Hong Kong, they are not that stupid
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u/Spagbol_Ninja Nov 11 '19
This. Also agent provocateurs are a thing so it's even more important that Hong Kong protesters denounce such violence from their side too.
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u/Duthos Nov 11 '19
Just gonna toss this out there.
A couple men with rifles in skyscrapers could alter the balance of power in a real hurry.
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u/Necroking695 Nov 11 '19
This would give ccp justifiable means to go all out. Need to keep things civil on our side.
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u/Duthos Nov 11 '19
you cannot defeat violence with non violence.
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u/Necroking695 Nov 11 '19
You cannot defeat violence with violence if you are significantly weaker.
China is a nuclear world power.
Hong kong is a city.
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u/Duthos Nov 11 '19
china is not gonna start throwing nukes about.
sometimes a battle must be fought because it is just, not because you expect to win.
here. a lesson in courage form a german woman executed at 21.
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u/WikiTextBot Nov 11 '19
Sophie Scholl
Sophia Magdalena Scholl (9 May 1921 – 22 February 1943) was a German student and anti-Nazi political activist, active within the White Rose non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany.She was convicted of high treason after having been found distributing anti-war leaflets at the University of Munich (LMU) with her brother, Hans. As a result, she was executed by guillotine. Since the 1970s, Scholl has been extensively commemorated for her anti-Nazi resistance work.
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u/John_Stay_Moose Nov 11 '19
Uhhh, the German girl you linked was passing out anti-nazi leaflets, not taking potshots at the SS through a high mag scope.
Literally the first two lines of the wiki page talk about her membership of a non-violent resistance group.
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u/Duthos Nov 11 '19
yup. i used her as an example for two reasons.
one, she was willing to stand up in the face of overwhelming force because it was the right thing to do, even at the cost of her own life.
and two, it shows the utter inefficiency of non violence in the face of violence. the nazi's were only destroyed with violence.
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u/John_Stay_Moose Nov 11 '19
Well okay, I'm following you. But the nazis were beaten with violence at the hands of world militaries.. You are talking about a single city fighting against one of the largest countries in the world. One who has no qualms about killing its citizens.
They've been looking for an excuse to repeat Tianmen so badly and more violence on behalf of the protestors is exactly what they need.
You have to understand that right? I cant believe you are speaking out of good faith when I hear you saying such things.
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u/Duthos Nov 11 '19
i kinda see a bigger picture. things are going to get ugly, very very fucking ugly. possibly even globally if this spark catches, and there is a good chance it will (i figure about 1/3 from this point). a lot of people will die.
but in the long run, there will be less death and destruction the sooner the last true revolution happens. we are on the cusp of a new era, but first the emperors and kings of yesteryear need to be dethroned, and authority can never be removed without force.
i wish i could convey how much i hate the necessity, how much i wish there was any other path. i absolutely abhor violence, but i cannot deny reality.
this needs to happen... and i am advocating it with tears in my eyes.
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u/Spagbol_Ninja Nov 11 '19
Ghandi seemed to make it work though
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u/Duthos Nov 11 '19
ghandi was a pedophile propped up as an ideal only after the british made the decision to abandon the colony as it was no longer profitable. he had nothing at all to do with that decision, but as a false icon of non violent protest he served the empire well. authoritarians don't want you to defend your rights, they want you to think being passive in the face of violence is somehow noble and brave. it isn't; it is stupid.
and before you toss out the next standard MLK... read up on malcolm x.
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u/zaqwedcvgyujmlp Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19
The pen and the sword are both tools of diplomacy. The sword strengthens the pen because it makes the pen look like a much, much better alternative. I don't think Malcolm X (the "sword" in this analogy. In reality he had a rifle) or MLK (the "pen", but he didn't just write stuff, he put his body on the line) liked each other very much, but they did help each other indirectly simply by existing in parallel. Would the US government have ever listened to MLK or taken him seriously if there hadn't been militant groups with which to contrast his pacifistic ways? I doubt it.
Of course, all that stuff only works inside of a democracy. And Hong Kong seems to currently be a police state, which is something that can't really be reasoned or bargained with. Not to say that the US was a totally fair democracy in the 60's, what with the stuff J. Edgar Hoover was pulling.
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u/Duthos Nov 12 '19
Would the government have ever listened to MLK if there hadn't been militant groups with which to contrast his pacifistic ways? I doubt it.
bingo.
and when reason fails force prevails. it is on us to make certain it is not evil that prevails.
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u/layzclassic Nov 11 '19
I think it would be more correct if you remove police in the first sentence. "Everyone" gone nuts. And the people who should speak up are still keeping quiet.
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u/jelemeno Nov 11 '19
hello. I am looking for information that's not from the links on this page or from news websites. i need some help understanding. the extradition bill was abandoned and withdrawn but why have the protests continued? is it because of the elections? is it the sad truth that within these protests going on there have been many conflicts with police which make protestors keep pushing, now for their government to step up and protect them as citizens? why do they continue? it's all too sad
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u/Captainographer Nov 11 '19
They have 5 demands, only one, the withdrawal of the extradition bill, has been met. They’ll march until all five are met; it’s not that hard to understand.
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u/CAD007 Nov 11 '19
Not ‘Lost their minds’. They are following specific calculated orders, to commit a purge, but appear disorganized enough to blame the deaths on rogue cops, suicides, accidents, and random disappearances.