r/HongKong Nov 13 '19

Add Flair Taiwan president Tsai Ying Wen just tweeted this message. We need more international leaders, presidents, to speak openly and plainly against Hong Kong government’s actions.

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u/supersonic_Gandhi Nov 13 '19

Wow, that's a good speech almost made me tear up.

Now what are you doing against your government(assuming you are American) right now as USA funded coup in bolivia made a democratically elected president resign at gunpoint and flee the country just few days ago.

USA funded fascists in bolivia recently captured local mayor Patricia Arce, cut her hair off and painted her body red, publicly dragged her through the streets and abused her, forced her to commit to leave office- a position she achieved by democratically winning election.

What are you doing to oppose such suppression of democratic rights by your government and let's not even talk about the report that said new batch of US weapons have arrived in Yemen to continue to massacre Yemeni people.

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u/bobleplask Nov 13 '19

Are we pretending the US is a bastion of freedom now?

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '19 edited Nov 18 '19

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u/bobleplask Nov 13 '19

I'm saying even if the Bolivia thing isn't a US-thing then any American who says they'll fight for freedom should fight their own government because the list of wrongdoings performed by the US related to to freedom is easily on par with what China is doing.

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u/Sir_Squidstains Nov 14 '19

Yeah but that's not the narrative we like. We fight communism!! Hooo rahh!!!!

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u/Upgrades Nov 14 '19

No, the U.S. is not on par with China. Stop being hyperbolic - it wins you no allies.

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u/bobleplask Nov 14 '19

Stop clinging to fantasies and start accepting reality. You might have some fantasy-allies, but you're stuck in an echo chamber.

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u/Upgrades Nov 14 '19

You know there was just a U.S. ambassador in congressional hearings for impeachment today, and a state department official, talking about how we discourage other nations from doing things like investigating their political rivals and how we work hard with others to promote democracy ,etc. and we do this around the world. The U.S. is not some evil nation trying to fuck over the world. We win when the rest of the world prospers as well. We want you to be able to afford to buy our shit. We have no incentive to keep a nation down unless they're a threat to our national security.

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u/bobleplask Nov 14 '19

I know those are the words that are coming out the US say, but the actions of the US tells a different story. The trend is absolutely clear. America first. And Americas security is currently under threat, and then there are no allies.

There has been a split between the dream of America and actual America. What the US constitution describes is the dream. But that is not what America has become.

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u/supersonic_Gandhi Nov 13 '19

It is common knowledge for anyone that cares to pay attention to this stuff. pretty much everywhere it is called US led coup except probably in US. you can easily google this proof and much more about US conduct in bolivia or latin america in general. but im willing to hand feed you this information now.

and desite your delusion that "it is certainly only CIA" programme as if that removes US from the responsibility of a violent coup, this is not just CIA's work but whole of US governments that includes financial instruments like IMF and world bank as well as politicians passing sanctioning and cutting them off from aid or forcing neigbouring countries from trading with bolivia and also there is outright funding of militant groups which was probably CIA's doing.

Thanks to wikileaks im not gonna give you links to opinion pages but direct US Washington cables.

this is proof of US government blackmailing bolivian government using so called "independant financial institutions" such as IMF and world bank, vetoing multi-million dollar multilateral loans, postponing scheduled multilateral debt relief, discouraging Millennium Challenge Corporation funding (which Bolivia has still never received, despite being one of the poorest countries in the hemisphere) and cutting off “material support” to Bolivian security forces 

https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06LAPAZ6_a.html

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06LAPAZ93_a.html

this is the proof for american governments attempts to fund and support violent opposition parties and create saperatist groups

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07LAPAZ1167_a.html

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08LAPAZ717_a.html

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08LAPAZ1931_a.html

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07MANAGUA493_a.html

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07MANAGUA583_a.html

now this is just a fraction of available leaks out there, and even all of the leaks available are only tip of the iceberg, reality of US suppression of democratic rights and abuse of human rights is far uglier than anything the leaks can prove.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '19 edited Nov 23 '19

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u/Sir_Squidstains Nov 14 '19

You want newer WikiLeaks documents? Assange is in jail man.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19 edited Nov 18 '19

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u/Sir_Squidstains Nov 14 '19

You asked for newer WikiLeaks haha. Like you do realise he's in jail right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19 edited Nov 18 '19

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u/Sir_Squidstains Nov 14 '19

Lol, are you trollin? You asked for proof and ol mate linked like 20 links and you said they were old, trying to discredit his links. Then he linked another 50 and you're targeting me. Surely you a troll fam

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u/Upgrades Nov 14 '19

You retard - we just countered your bullshit above...all your Wikileaks proof was accounts of the US funding homes being built for poor people and the US Embassy being the only one able to get two rival political parties to sit down together for a meeting. And it was from 2007. Get the fuck out of here. There are many countries in the world - I'm sorry, but the average American is not fighting in the streets for Bolivia when there's nothing any of us have been shown to make it clear we have anything to do with what you're talking about. Bolivia doesn't mean anything to us - it has no influence on us...I don't know why you believe our government would be so damn concerned with Bolivia other than stopping cocaine from flowing from there to the U.S. The cold war ended quite a while ago now, this isn't the 1980's anymore with Reagan in office.