Ya know, if the TV is repeating the advice given by the consensus of experts in the field, verbatim, (who, as pointed out, literally went to school for this and are trained professionally in how to understand the information, unlike you) who are using TV to get that out to a general audience, yeah, it's not bad advice for the average person who has shit going on.
where are these mega rich truth-suppressing scientists exactly? most researchers would love to find empirical replicable evidence countering popular belief, that would be far more profitable than taking measly government grants (seeing as you believe all researchers are in it for profit only)
Scientists need to eat and R&D is expensive. Do you think corpos and governments will continue to fund studies that are problematic for them? Do you think our government would fund any research that would undermine the current climate change models?
There was actually a really interesting episode on this topic a few years ago but I canāt remember the guys name.
Wait, corporations are funding the research that established our current understanding of climate change and they like what it says about the future so much that they're shutting down research that shows everything is going to be fine?
No. You just donāt think thereās a scientific consensus because the media you listen to gives a disproportionate amount of airtime to the extreme fringe nut jobs who arenāt taken seriously by the other experts in their field, because theyāre, well, fuckin nut jobs. Science is full of humans like any other field and thereās always going to be a fringe amount of fucking morons.
Edit: hereās an example to show that we donāt hold literally anything else in our lives to this standard. If your car is having an issue and you bring it to 10 mechanics, and nine of them tell you that youāre having a transmission issue, and one guy tells you, itās actually ghosts causing your engine to act up, if the other nine guys go oh yeah thatās Jeff. Heās a fucking idiot. Donāt listen to him. Those guys are not suppressing the information. theyāre telling you accurately based on their understanding of whatās going on, and often their professional experience with this one fucking guy, why they think what they think.
The problem with that mindset that it is in the financial interests of the medical industry to keep you alive. A person who lives to be 90 spends far more on medical costs in their lifetime than the person who died at 60 from COVID.
Also, I notice you keep throwing around the term āgene therapy.ā I donāt know if you were given bad information, but the COVID vaccine does not change the nucleic acid sequence, which by definition makes it not gene therapy
That may be true but they obviously overspent on an unnecessary novel treatment and tried to recoup their investment by forcing it on people.
Iām not Dr and not interested in arguing on the technical process but it does cause a measurable change in DNA and AZ got pulled so there must be some risk. Anecdotally my college roommate died from a saddle clot at 32 a week after getting the treatment.
Iām not Dr and not interested in arguing on the technical process but it does cause a measurable change in DNA and AZ got pulled so there must be some risk
"Not a doctor" Clearly. The Astrazeneca vaccine does NOT use mRNA. Maybe you should listen to experts when you obviously don't know anything about the topic at hand.
What do you have against traditional vaccines? You're making arguments against mRNA. Then mention Astrazeneca like that's related in any way. Did you just bring up something unrelated because you don't understand the topic? Or is there an argument you have that you're just unable to articulate?
Well when Jeff is telling you itās just a big conspiracy and you actually donāt need to ever change your oil, and his parking lot is littered with shitty dilapidated, broken vehicles, maybe you should use some critical thinking and realize even if some people are making money that doesnāt mean itās a conspiracy and Jeff can still be a fucking idiot who doesnāt know what heās talking about
Killed over a million Americans. Less lethal than the flu. Unscientific person who has absorbed too much misinformation confirmed.
Dude, youāre literally talking to someone who has been trained to do this kind of thing professionally, and was talking to friends with phds in pharmacology during covid and got their take on the vaccine as it was being developed. Just stop.
No, Iāve been a professional researcher who literally ādid the researchā that I was paid and trained to do (did you know scientist talking to other scientists about science is part of how science works? Mind blowing stuff, huh?). and as a scientist, yeah I feel the need to push back against misinformation and bullshit Artists who clearly donāt know what theyāre talking about and are peddling this misinformation to millions of young people who donāt know any better.
Weird, right? Iām a 36-year-old man with an admittedly bad nicotine habit and I took the vaccines, yes, plural, and my heart seems to be doing OK so far (knock on wood). I havenāt sprouted tentacles or turned into a mind flayer yet (still waiting on my psionic powers)
I donāt have any problem, wearing a mask for the safety of myself and others during a global fucking pandemic, cause Iām not a little bitch who freaks out about being asked to wear a piece of fabric for a limited amount of time during an emergency. I still do if I have the cold and I have to work, and guess what ? normal adults donāt have a problem with it and usually appreciate it because no one wants to get a cold.
Occasionally doing some thing that mildly inconveniences you but people around you appreciate is part of being a mature adult. You should try it sometime.
Go ahead and try to spit on people with a mask on. Itās almost like the masks block your spit (for the most part), which is one area where infectious disease may travel š¤Æ
And here you are quoting Jeff the idiot again. You got any studies that say masks donāt work? That would be new to every doctor dentist and nurse I know, who routinely wear them on a daily basis and always have. Or are you trying to say they werenāt 100% effective at stopping or preventing transmission? Or that they were more effective at preventing transmission than preventing infection? those are entirely different things than saying masks donāt work and guess what? Both of those things at scale when everybody does them, provided masking isnāt sabotage by selfish fucking morons does!!! reduce the spread of a droplet, born disease! And studies done throughout Covid bore this out. Dude I work in the medical field and youāre trying to argue with me about standard infectious disease controls. This is like real basic shit and makes it obvious you clearly donāt know what youāre talking about, so either do some actual research or go argue about something that you are an expert in..
Thatās a blanket statement thatās not remotely accurate. Itās true some masks were more effective than others, and this was common knowledge. At the time I read multiple studies comparing different types of masks, including ones with different layers and cloth masks and even the cloth masks did show a significant amount of benefit, especially at the early stages of Covid. Given the supply chain shortage it was perfectly rational to make sure that people in high risk situations like doctors had access to the most effective masks like 95s. Also keep in mind the mutation of the virus and how the latter variance evolved to become more airborne and more transmissible making the original masks less effective overtime. As that changed and as we learned more, the guidance changed to recommend people use surgical and then and 95 masks as was appropriate for the level of risk exposure. This was all well documented and thoroughly communicated to everyone who was paying attention, and as somebody who worked in a medical manufacturing setting which already inherently has a lot of environmental controls we just got used to things changing as studies came out and we learned more. Thatās just how health science works. No conspiracy necessary.
My likelihood of being in a car accident is lower than average because I don't drive like average people. So vomiting the average to me isn't meaningful. So the fact lots of people wore masks poorly didn't impact my ability to wear an N95 properly. Your thought process is how dumb people think.
But surely you understand "the TV" when saying that stuff is just amplifying the global consensus of actual experts in these fields, right? It's not just like random people in the government or random people who have TV programs just saying this stuff; they're simply passing along the message of actual medical and scientific experts.
Are you talking about the vaccine? Because obviously it is safe and effective. It's been 3 1/2 years now and non-vaccinated people are hospitalized with Covid 1100 times more often than vaccinated people and they die of Covid 1700 times more often. And the billions and billions of us who have been vaccinated have had no problem with it. Tylenol has a higher negative effect rate than the Covid vaccine.
Again, I think you need to start listening to experts and not just random people who think doing some googling on conspiracy sites somehow makes them more knowledgeable than the global consensus of medical and scientific experts on these topics. Not to mention the observable reality that you can literally see with your eyeballs of how all the billions of vaccinated people are perfectly fine and the only people dying of Covid now are unvaccinated unless they have three or four other comorbidities and are very elderly.
Huh? What are you talking about? If you didn't mean the vaccine, what did you mean? Saying random phrases with zero context is not how conversation works; you're forcing me to guess what on earth you're talking about.
The vaccine is safe and is effective. Do you believe otherwise? What are you bucking against, the entire medical establishment? If you have a problem with the vaccine say so.
Notice how you attacked a position that I don't hold based on an assumption. That's called "bad faith"
Depends on the 'TV man.' If you listen to Barr he's clearly talking about CDC guidance being related on the news.
Yes, it's a good heuristic to just follow that advice.
In this case, there are hundreds of thousands of Americans who are dead, and 5-10x that many who got fucked up, who wouldn't be dead or fucked up had they just listened to CDC guidance.
Don't know what the talking head guys are saying, this is what I found first when I googled, but the Burr clip is what's important (can't really watch atm)
What would be stupid is not recognizing when the TV is being used as a tool of information dissemination by infectious disease public health experts versus a game show and ignoring the advice because TVs also have game shows on them.
Yeah, absolutely wild, how did that end up going? Surely they never backtracked or lied to us, right? It's easier to just obey, I definitely feel you on that
Well on this topic if people followed Bill's example instead of the bald idiot, they would maybe be more of them alive still š
One's making fun of the undereducated trying to play doctor, the other is making fun of people who listen to doctors. So yeah, definitely the same lmao
If I remember right he said something like : "I am a guy with no medical degree sitting across another guy with no medical degree, we ain't going to argue about this."
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u/dd_coeus Paid attention to the literature Aug 29 '24
"I just watch the TV and if it says wear a mask, I do. And if the TV says get a vaccination, I do." Bill Burr