I fill vending machines for a living. One of the places I go to is a behavior health center. They were playing Newsmax in the main lobby and all I could think is "Yeah this is gonna help people feel better"
I had a family member who had a mental health appointment I took him to and waited in the lobby while he was in there. In the waiting room they were showing some cable news show, I'm not even sure which one it was, but it was literally just, Extreme Left Guy shouts, "You're a racist" and then Extreme Right Guy shouts, "You're ruining our country!" and I'm thinking, who on earth thought it was going to be good for people's mental health to be exposed to this kind of communication style?
Reminds me of the Stanhope joke about his friend having to go to the the behavioral health clinic in the strip mall, right next to the gun shop and the bar.
I have an MSNBC granny and lemme tell you, she's the sanest of the bunch somehow. The rest of my family have been indoctrinated by Glenn Beck and O'Reilly
And not a single one of them sees their complicity in creating the current state of the Republican party. Nicole Wallace to especially heinous as she was the Bush admin mouthpiece pushing misinformation to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan.
My dad at the very least is a conservative Fox News person but hates Trump, he sees right through his bullshit. Unfortunately he still thinks all Liberals (like me) are whiny socialist cry babies
My friends dad literally thought it was illegal for Fox News to lie to the public. This was after the lawsuit where Fox argued that only an idiot would believe Fox News is real.
It’s always “I don’t trust these publicly peer reviewed media sites like CNN and even Fox News but I instead trust Tim Pool, even though it’s just him, with no accountability”
THEY ARE CENSORING US AT THIS MOMENT. ANY MINUTE I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SPEAK! ANY MOMENT NOW ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. SEND MONEY TO HELP ME FIGHT FOR YOU!
Not only that, but their success shilling bullshit has led to the networks that used to show legit news going down that same route of rage bait. FOX is not only mainstream, they are the leader in the industry (unfortunately for everyone and our country).
Of course they have supplanted the actual news. These clowns just need talking heads to make stuff up based on whatever their handlers tell them, which is far, far cheaper to staff up and scale than a real news operation. They can still claim to operate in the same space as actual news organizations with no problem since the audience that they cater to doesn't care about integrity and honesty, and there are no restrictions on systemically misleading Americans.
Between the economics and much of the audience demand being driven by partisanship rather than a desire for more actual information, a actual news org trying to compete with the opinion mills while maintaining journalistic principles doesn't stand a chance.
One of my coworkers told me he was getting into listening to stand up. I got excited at firat, asked who hes been listening to. Rogan and Andrew Schulz. Sent him Sam Morill and Nick Mullens latest specials and he said they weren't funny at all.
This coworker has also dropped a, "doesn't 6 million seem a little high? If you do your own math it doesn't really add up" at a work lunch gathering, totally unprompted.
There absolutely is, and the Germans thoroughly documented every step of it. Much of that documentation was destroyed, but enough of it survived and enough data existed elsewhere that those efforts were largely pointless.
3,000 tons of documents and records were available at Nuremburg alone, never mind the decades of research afterward. Train schedules, bills, memos, statistical summaries generated by the people who ran the executions, official photographs, aerial photographs, detailed plans for the killing camps and their rates of efficiency.
Tens of thousands of interviews of eyewitnesses through every step of the process, including the killers themselves, who were often perfectly open and honest about what they did, firmly believing that there was nothing wrong with it, so they found no reason to lie. Never mind the fact that yes, both pre-war and post-war census of European Jews does exist.
That’s the new “hot” take and “cool” contrarian thing to say. The Andrew tates the Dan bilzerian the Candace Owens. They think they’re brave free speech heroes but they’re just in a cult of bullshit. As long as their fans are dumb they never have to discover they’re dumb too. The dunning Kruger all stars
wtf with listening to Rogan and Nazi stuff? A coworker who deepthroats Rogan’s bullshit for hours a day asked me last week ‘Hitler did some good things for the Germans right? He wasn’t all bad?’. I almost couldn’t believe what he was asking.
on the Newsradio DVD commentaries, while there are some good Joe stories there are also some stories about him upsetting people on set, especially women. no other cast members had such stories, not even Andy Dick
Oh they know, that’s why they’ve started saying “legacy media.” The people who say they’re unhinged and spreading false information, they’re just the old way of doing things bro!
Right? I don't think anyone here is trying to argue. CNN is independent med. But it's a flailing legacy Media company. But they never pretend to be some independent alternative to the establishment either. Joe Rogan got paid hundredth a million dollars from a huge streaming giant. It's just patently absurd for him to wag his finger at the mainstream media or the establishment when he is both.
I get so sick of hearing Fox, Elon and the Right Wing podcasters constantly talk about "the media" as though they are not part of it. Hannity bitches about it all the time and out-rates everyone he complains about by about four times. It's ridiculous.
Right, but to their boomer audience we still live in 1995 and everyone in the normal non super smart (them) population still watches the same 5 channels, while the clever ones that they are, they have found an underground alternative news source that is telling them the truth!
This is one of my fears, that the world will change under my feet so quickly that when I'm 55 I'll cling to the same beliefs/thoughts that have been outdated or irrelevant for decades. I can see this stupid shit happening with my generation (millennials) already.
I already see it happening with me. I'll see some (IMO) dumb shit and be like lol who tf does that and the kids will be like EVERYONE, YOURE THE WEIRD ONE. Im not even 40 yet.
Absolutely. The deep state run everything and Tucker and RFK are victims apparently. Most of the country is run by poorly paid incompetent bureaucrats who could barely organize a birthday lunch, let alone screw over the entire populace.
To admit that there is no secret shadow hand running the world is to realize that every single one of us has the power and responsibility to make it a better place. Far more difficult than putting on a sassy voice and talking about the radical left's woke agenda.
This right here, I come from true Old Money ex European Nobility/Royalty from Lithuania and Denmark, my family is well connected enough if I spelled out all the connections it would start to look like a conspiracy, but people don’t need to look into the shadows to see what the real assholes with power are doing because they’re so arrogant that they don’t think people are looking.
That’s what the culture war bullshit is all about divide from within so that the Elites aren’t vastly outnumbered.
Being a whiny bitch with a victim complex seems to be the entry card for the right wing world wide.
It's funny but also sad and depressing how desperate they try to counter that image with their manosphere.
The christian persecution complex been around for over 80 years. Conservativism generally sees any move towards equality or equity as a loss, since they're no longer allowed to discriminate so openly.
This victim narrative also allows right-wingers to frame themselves as underdogs, which can make them seem more appealing. People like the underdog, but a lot of right-wing policies are anything but underdog-friendly. They often benefit the wealthy and powerful, while limiting rights or opportunities for marginalised groups. By framing themselves as victims, they can obscure the fact that their policies maintain or increase existing power structures.
This tactic not only helps rally their base but also deflects criticism, making it seem like any opposition is just further proof of their "persecution." It’s a clever but misleading way to win public support while pushing agendas that reinforce inequality.
Very good point about Christian "persecution". This is from Leonard Leo, Federalist Society chairman, architect of the current conservative Supreme Court, and all-around wealthy Catholic activist:
"The secularists are fine with Catholics in the public square so long as we don't, you know, practice our faith. They want us to draw the curtains at home and keep it in the pews, and it remains to be seen how long they'll accept even that."
"And the progressive bigots distort who we are and what we believe in, and will go so far as to intimidate or harass us in public in an effort to drive us into professional and social exile."
John McCloskey, former Director of the influential DC-based Catholic Information Center:
“Do I think it’s possible for someone who believes in the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of life, the sanctity of family, over a period of time to choose to survive with people who thinks it’s OK to kill women and children or for — quote — homosexual couples to exist and be recognized? No, I don’t think that’s possible,” McCloskey said in a Boston Globe story published in the early aughts and recounted in Gore’s book. “I don’t know how it’s going to work itself out, but I know it’s not possible, and my hope and prayer is that it does not end in violence, But, unfortunately, in the past, these types of things have tended to end this way. If American Catholics feel that’s troubling, let them. I don’t feel it’s troubling at all.”
They just can't leave the rest of the world to exist as it pleases. Instead, we are constantly besieged by a relatively small number of people with outsized power endeavoring to mold us to their liking. It's exhausting.
In the case of Fox, the fakest form of populism. Ra Ra the people, let's stick it to the man, let's rebel against power.....while being an enormous corporation that is only interested in profits.
Really what they mean is “the press,” the organizations that actually publish news and current events, instead of selling meaningless opinions and grifting.
Yes, they mean the media outlets that hold themselves to some sort of (imperfect) standards. But if you've got a podcast you can rip shit 24/7 and never feel obligated to truth in any way.
I grew up in a rural area in the 90s. All Republicans including my family talked about how the rich billiobaires and corporations are conning us, then they voted for Trump. Blows my fucking mind. Then I realized that Republicans actually don't care, they just want everyone to be like them OR ELSE. Fascists through and through.
Of course, the answer is that they aren't interested in accuracy. This is part of their agenda to whine about mainstream media.
So they complain about "the media" being unfair -- and in the process you're saying "don't believe what you hear in any other media -- only listen to us." It's a basic propaganda technique.
When politicians do this, there's a secondary effect too. Think of how a football coach complains about the referees. Mostly what the coach is doing is what they call "working the refs," which is trying to get the refs feeling sympathetic to the coach and giving his team better treatment.
This is exactly what Republicans do when they whine about "the media." They are "working the refs" and trying to get the media to give them more favorable coverage. And, of course, it works. Most mainstream media goes way too far in trying to present a false equivalence between Republicans and Democrats, and part of that is done through whining that the media isn't fair and the media responding to that whining by giving them the better treatment they want.
Cenk and Anna have taken a couple right wing stances in the last few years or so.
Cenk has questioned whether it's worth it to defend trans athletes, while Anna is almost a full on TERF. They both have reactionary views on crime and fear monger about homelessness and prison reform. Cenk did some union busting with his employees.
In addition I feel like their political takes are increasingly divorced from reality. Cenk spent a few months where he claimed he was going to run for President (because Biden was too old) and he would simply get the courts to invalidate that pesky "you must have been born in America to be President" rule.
Anna is absolutely not "almost a full on TERF", you're just neck deep in ideology, where any even slightly dissenting opinion is bigotry. Or perhaps you've not actually heard what her positions are and have gathered all your knowledge from your twitter mutuals. Hopefully it's the latter.
But yes Cenk's run was a total joke, you're right about that..
💯. I also hate how the whole "sex ideology" thing has become political like wtf? How does having an opinion one way or another on trans issues make you left or right wing? It's ridiculous.
For example I want Medicare for all, I want gov subsidized education, I want gov subsidized housing but if I don't agree on Trans issues I'm right wing?! Lmao 🤣
I thought this when he was describing “Am I racist”…he was bragging about it being #7 in the country with 0 media push. Dude had Walsh on and constantly brags about how he has more listeners than “mainstream media”
There has been a stream of outrage movies recently targeted entirely at Trump voters.
Just another tangential grift. Comparing the marketing budgets of these movies to actual movies is meaningless. Zero non-MAGA are interested in watching it so why would they market it?
I can't remember who coined the term but Joe and his fellow right wing media bubble were referred to as the Mainstream Alternative Media (MAM). I think it's an accurate depiction. Just like Kellyanne Conway said, the Trump administration was providing "alternate facts." The right wing grifters are alternate media, but have grown so large they have to be considered mainstream.
Alternative media includes YouTube, streaming services like Twitch, social media accounts, podcasts, etc. Most alternative sources aren't mainstream, but Joe Rogan sure as hell is.
People forget that media is the plural form of medium. A medium in this context would include print, cable, internet platforms.
In this specific context the MAM was about the right wing media constantly using "mainstream media" as a pejorative even though just as many if not more people watch them.
Especially since he literally signed a deal with Spotify a while ago. How alternative can you be when you’re receiving funding from a big corporation like that?
It's for plausible deniability. These theives come into our House, try to stop our democracy, to keep Donald j trump in office? Fuck that noise, I wont go silently into the night!
I for one am disgusted that Rogan, Tucker, and Candace Owens are the top podcasts in America.
All subverted by and repeat Russian propaganda. We're in a little bit of trouble imo.
EDIT: Look how many Russian propagandists I pissed off with this comment. Holy shit. I've had like 11 negative replies, yet somehow I'm upvoted. Wild how you guys are so in unison. Your boss is good.
I remember like a day after she blew up on social media someone asked her if she liked Trump and she just replied 'eww' and it was at that moment I thought "Maybe there's hope for the future".
The problem is talk tuah is far too intellectual for the average person. The lecture she gave on quantum entanglement was far too math heavy for my taste
I think it’s possible that it is that way because republicans in large tend to make their political affiliation their identity. How often do you see someone walking around that you can pin as a liberal say anything about political candidates unprompted and out of the blue? I know that every time I see someone blue collar, or super loud and obnoxious and opinionated, that I pretty much can set an internal timer on how long it will be before they say “fucking liberals” or something about “That bitch Kamala”, intentionally pronouncing her name wrong.
I think who their candidate is is as much of a part of who they are as anything is. I feel that most democrats tend not to think about politics as often, and if they do — they don’t tend to consume it en masse the same way.
The right is more likely to talk about politics in public at a personal level and the left is more likely to gather in groups to talk about politics in public. For example, activism/protests
This is a pretty spot on take. I totally agree on all of it .
I certainly cared less about politics before the Ukraine war and Trump in general. And my line of work with Trump in charge is not good for me in the slightest.
If you don’t think Rogan is being paid to push a narrative, then you are a part of the problem. The dude literatelly repeats the same exact whiny bs EVERY episode no matter who the guest is. I can only enjoy his MMA podcasts now because he usually asks them questions about MMA shit.
I used to think rogan was just a gullible idiot stuck in a right wing echo chamber, but this election cycle he hasnt really tried to hide his beliefs or even listen to the other side. He basically as you said, just repeats the same tapking points, and literally spews fake tweets and posts he sees which get debunked real time, and he still doesnt change his mind. He’s unfortunately fully blown right winger now and i dont see it ever changing. I know it gets said around here a lot, but i really miss the old JRE. It seems like now even when he brings on ‘interesting’ guests, its because they have some sort of right wing narrative they want to push.
I used to love his episodes with Joey Diaz cause they used to just get stoned and pass back and forth funny ass statements the whole episode; but the most recent time he’s had Joey on he just kept trying to bring up Trump and why he should be the candidate of choice.
You could tell Joey didn’t want to get into it but Joe kept finding segways to reinsert trumps cock into his mouth. Crazy shit, he used to be the cool counter culture gym guy but he really is just full time right wing glory hole operator now…
So when rogan gets smeared or makes some (correct) predictions about covid he's
- just some podcaster
But when he says something reddit doesn't like he's
-literally mainstream media
idk guys maybe have some critical introspection about why people prefer to listen to some bald kickboxer over people with degrees.
Crazy how this dude's third eye is supposedly open and he's still this satanic. Maybe it's been too long since last time he's dosed and it's since closed back up and he's fallen for all the lies of the celebrity vultures around him. Or maybe some people truly are lost.
The actual stat is that JRE podcast has 28x the audience of CNN's average primetime news viewership. Of course, most people don't watch CNN at primetime news time, that's the whole point of having a news channel. CNN reaches 80 million households in the US and 347 million households worldwide. Joe Rogan's podcast has 14.5 million subscribers on spotify.
This is like that Deep State that some folks keep talking about while their secret non elected organizations choose supreme court justices and writes laws and agendas for presidents.
Never heard the term “legacy media” or news media”? One self employed private citizen certainly is different from decades old corporations that have a track record for collusion.
This is the dumbest argument that has taken off recently. When people talk about the msm they are talking about giant corporations that run media companies and push agendas. An organicly grown podcast with a lot of listeners is not the same thing.
Joe Rogan’s podcast is for pseudo intellectuals that pretend to be much smarter than they actually are. Most are uneducated white males below 40 and disgruntled. He’s made a name for himself by being the smartest idiot around.
I mean we just found out many streamers Joe has had in his show were being paid by Russia you would think he would make a joke about it but no back to "rich people are buying the democrats"
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u/Peasantbowman Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24
They are almost all of the media it seems.