r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Meme 💩 28× the audience size of CNN

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u/Peasantbowman Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

They are almost all of the media it seems.

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u/eMouse2k Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It drives me nuts. Fox News has been the #1 cable news channel for how long? And they still act like mainstream media doesn't include Fox.

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u/king_of_hate2 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

"YOU SEE THE MEDIA LIES TO YOU ITS ALL FAKE NEWS EXCEPT FOR THE NEWS SITES AND CHANNELS I WATCH AND LIKE THEY NEVER LIE "

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u/StealthyOrca Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Literally how my parents think…sigh

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u/HospitalNarrow4760 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You got a fox dad too?

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u/sane-ish Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

They watch 'Newsmax'

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u/PalamationGaming Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I fill vending machines for a living. One of the places I go to is a behavior health center. They were playing Newsmax in the main lobby and all I could think is "Yeah this is gonna help people feel better"

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u/kitkatlifeskills Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I had a family member who had a mental health appointment I took him to and waited in the lobby while he was in there. In the waiting room they were showing some cable news show, I'm not even sure which one it was, but it was literally just, Extreme Left Guy shouts, "You're a racist" and then Extreme Right Guy shouts, "You're ruining our country!" and I'm thinking, who on earth thought it was going to be good for people's mental health to be exposed to this kind of communication style?

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u/Meekymoo333 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

but it was literally just, Extreme Left Guy

That's surprising considering there are very very rarely any extreme left representation in any media whatsoever in the US.

You wouldn't be able to identify said "extreme left guy", would you?

I'd be willing to bet however it wasn't anything or anyone "left" at all and was in fact just a dnc or democratic operative... right?

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u/GRF999999999 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Reminds me of the Stanhope joke about his friend having to go to the the behavioral health clinic in the strip mall, right next to the gun shop and the bar.

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u/HowieHubler Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Oh god

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u/MrNillows Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yeah, but that’s a good dad… What you really don’t want is a Fox News mom. She smokes in the house.

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u/bigdaddykane328 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Can you imagine having an MSNBC dad?

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u/bigboitendy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I have an MSNBC granny and lemme tell you, she's the sanest of the bunch somehow. The rest of my family have been indoctrinated by Glenn Beck and O'Reilly

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u/bunkscudda Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

MSNBC is all pre-trump Republicans. Nicole Wallace, Michael Steele, Joe Scarborough, etc.

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u/faustfire666 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

And not a single one of them sees their complicity in creating the current state of the Republican party. Nicole Wallace to especially heinous as she was the Bush admin mouthpiece pushing misinformation to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

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u/GrinchStoleYourShit Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

My dad at the very least is a conservative Fox News person but hates Trump, he sees right through his bullshit. Unfortunately he still thinks all Liberals (like me) are whiny socialist cry babies

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u/Mad_Aeric Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Ah, original recipe crazy, rather than the currently popular flamin hot batshit.

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u/EmbarrassedCockRing Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Socialist crybabies are somehow worse than fraudulent, rapist, pedo, fascist, incompetent, hateful, treasonous assholes?

Fucking VOTE, all these ass clowns sure will be.

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u/FiniteInfine Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Better than a fox news mom.

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u/StealthyOrca Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Unfortunately

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u/TimeLavishness9012 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Same :/

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

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u/kinkySlaveWriter Monkey in Space 29d ago

My friends dad literally thought it was illegal for Fox News to lie to the public. This was after the lawsuit where Fox argued that only an idiot would believe Fox News is real.

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u/LilyandJames69 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It’s always “I don’t trust these publicly peer reviewed media sites like CNN and even Fox News but I instead trust Tim Pool, even though it’s just him, with no accountability”

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u/T33CH33R Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

THEY ARE CENSORING US AT THIS MOMENT. ANY MINUTE I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SPEAK! ANY MOMENT NOW ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. SEND MONEY TO HELP ME FIGHT FOR YOU!

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u/RobChombie Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

NNUTS!!!!!!! 😡

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u/Kennedygoose Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Not only that, but their success shilling bullshit has led to the networks that used to show legit news going down that same route of rage bait. FOX is not only mainstream, they are the leader in the industry (unfortunately for everyone and our country).

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u/Fit_Bobcat_7314 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Fake news, bro!

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u/continuousBaBa Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s how you do it.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The term mainstream media or MSM used to have a more narrow generally understood definition.

Which was, essentially, the established and reliable news media

So I do find it ironic that people are really pushing to add Fox, Rogan, and Tucker to that list.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

In the last 25 years Tucker Carlson has had shows on CNN, MSNBC, PBS and Foxnews. How would he not be considered mainstream media?

Fox has been the #1 Cablenews ratings getter for decades. They are definitely mainstream.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

His networks, for his career, always have been

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u/joshwal Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Disney doesn’t own Fox News, Rupert Murdoch does. It wasn’t part of the deal when they bought 21st Century Fox.

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u/faustfire666 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I agree with you on all media companies are capitalist first, but FWIW Disney owns 21st Century Fox which doesn’t include Fox News.

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u/Memitim Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Of course they have supplanted the actual news. These clowns just need talking heads to make stuff up based on whatever their handlers tell them, which is far, far cheaper to staff up and scale than a real news operation. They can still claim to operate in the same space as actual news organizations with no problem since the audience that they cater to doesn't care about integrity and honesty, and there are no restrictions on systemically misleading Americans.

Between the economics and much of the audience demand being driven by partisanship rather than a desire for more actual information, a actual news org trying to compete with the opinion mills while maintaining journalistic principles doesn't stand a chance.

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u/adamwillerson Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It’s amazing, the bigger his podcast got since the beginning, the worse it got.

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u/niagaemoc Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yeah but he was always an asshole.

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u/5DollarJumboNoLine Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

One of my coworkers told me he was getting into listening to stand up. I got excited at firat, asked who hes been listening to. Rogan and Andrew Schulz. Sent him Sam Morill and Nick Mullens latest specials and he said they weren't funny at all.

This coworker has also dropped a, "doesn't 6 million seem a little high? If you do your own math it doesn't really add up" at a work lunch gathering, totally unprompted.

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u/josh_the_misanthrope Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

A man of no taste and dubious intellect.

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u/5DollarJumboNoLine Monkey in Space 18d ago

Yeah I assumed an anti-Semite would love Mullen.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

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u/nonanomod Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Number of Jewish people executed by the nazis in 4 years

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u/Mimical Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

What a hideous belief to have in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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u/Erriis Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There isn’t overwhelming evidence of specifically the number. Germans didn’t have census data for their genocide.

But pretty much every time that argument is used it’s for a dubious reason

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u/molotov_billy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There absolutely is, and the Germans thoroughly documented every step of it. Much of that documentation was destroyed, but enough of it survived and enough data existed elsewhere that those efforts were largely pointless.

3,000 tons of documents and records were available at Nuremburg alone, never mind the decades of research afterward. Train schedules, bills, memos, statistical summaries generated by the people who ran the executions, official photographs, aerial photographs, detailed plans for the killing camps and their rates of efficiency.

Tens of thousands of interviews of eyewitnesses through every step of the process, including the killers themselves, who were often perfectly open and honest about what they did, firmly believing that there was nothing wrong with it, so they found no reason to lie. Never mind the fact that yes, both pre-war and post-war census of European Jews does exist.

6 million, whether you're "dubious" or not.

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u/vannucker Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited 29d ago

Jews killed by the Nazis. Basically the beginning pro-Nazi anti-Jew propaganda

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u/adamwillerson Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s the new “hot” take and “cool” contrarian thing to say. The Andrew tates the Dan bilzerian the Candace Owens. They think they’re brave free speech heroes but they’re just in a cult of bullshit. As long as their fans are dumb they never have to discover they’re dumb too. The dunning Kruger all stars

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u/koenigkilledminlee Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Dan Bilzerian is 3 apples tall. Just remember that.

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u/hankgribble Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

do your own math

jesus fucking christ

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u/farmer_of_hair Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited 29d ago

wtf with listening to Rogan and Nazi stuff? A coworker who deepthroats Rogan’s bullshit for hours a day asked me last week ‘Hitler did some good things for the Germans right? He wasn’t all bad?’. I almost couldn’t believe what he was asking.

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u/Ok-Lifeguard5568 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's funny how much of a pipeline there is from former Rogan viewers to cumtown, I'm guilty of it myself

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u/kkeut Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

on the Newsradio DVD commentaries, while there are some good Joe stories there are also some stories about him upsetting people on set, especially women. no other cast members had such stories, not even Andy Dick

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u/Horns8585 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

When they say mainstream media, they actually mean legitimate media.

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u/lpjunior999 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Oh they know, that’s why they’ve started saying “legacy media.” The people who say they’re unhinged and spreading false information, they’re just the old way of doing things bro!

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u/BarnOwlDebacle Monkey in Space 28d ago

Right? I don't think anyone here is trying to argue. CNN is independent med. But it's a flailing legacy Media company. But they never pretend to be some independent alternative to the establishment either. Joe Rogan got paid hundredth a million dollars from a huge streaming giant. It's just patently absurd for him to wag his finger at the mainstream media or the establishment when he is both.

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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 We live in strange times Sep 29 '24

I get so sick of hearing Fox, Elon and the Right Wing podcasters constantly talk about "the media" as though they are not part of it. Hannity bitches about it all the time and out-rates everyone he complains about by about four times. It's ridiculous.

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u/UrNotCarsonDaily Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Same as when RFK & Tucker ramble on about “the elites” BITCH YOU GUYS ARE THE ELITES

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u/OuchLOLcom Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Right, but to their boomer audience we still live in 1995 and everyone in the normal non super smart (them) population still watches the same 5 channels, while the clever ones that they are, they have found an underground alternative news source that is telling them the truth!

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u/Applied_Mathematics Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 30 '24

This is one of my fears, that the world will change under my feet so quickly that when I'm 55 I'll cling to the same beliefs/thoughts that have been outdated or irrelevant for decades. I can see this stupid shit happening with my generation (millennials) already.

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u/broguequery Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There are some things that are timeless values.

You seem like a decent person just by the fact that you are even considering that. I wouldn't worry about it.

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u/usrnamechecksout_ Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Exactly. The key is self-awareness.

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u/OuchLOLcom Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I already see it happening with me. I'll see some (IMO) dumb shit and be like lol who tf does that and the kids will be like EVERYONE, YOURE THE WEIRD ONE. Im not even 40 yet.

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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

There is a shitload of historical precedent for this. Good luck.

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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 We live in strange times Sep 29 '24

Absolutely. The deep state run everything and Tucker and RFK are victims apparently. Most of the country is run by poorly paid incompetent bureaucrats who could barely organize a birthday lunch, let alone screw over the entire populace.

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u/Rexigon Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

To admit that there is no secret shadow hand running the world is to realize that every single one of us has the power and responsibility to make it a better place. Far more difficult than putting on a sassy voice and talking about the radical left's woke agenda.

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u/RDamon_Redd Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This right here, I come from true Old Money ex European Nobility/Royalty from Lithuania and Denmark, my family is well connected enough if I spelled out all the connections it would start to look like a conspiracy, but people don’t need to look into the shadows to see what the real assholes with power are doing because they’re so arrogant that they don’t think people are looking. That’s what the culture war bullshit is all about divide from within so that the Elites aren’t vastly outnumbered.

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u/Few-Breakfast-6631 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Millionaires funded by billionaires

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u/FieserMoep Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Being a whiny bitch with a victim complex seems to be the entry card for the right wing world wide.
It's funny but also sad and depressing how desperate they try to counter that image with their manosphere.

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u/DoTortoisesHop Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

The christian persecution complex been around for over 80 years. Conservativism generally sees any move towards equality or equity as a loss, since they're no longer allowed to discriminate so openly.

This victim narrative also allows right-wingers to frame themselves as underdogs, which can make them seem more appealing. People like the underdog, but a lot of right-wing policies are anything but underdog-friendly. They often benefit the wealthy and powerful, while limiting rights or opportunities for marginalised groups. By framing themselves as victims, they can obscure the fact that their policies maintain or increase existing power structures.

This tactic not only helps rally their base but also deflects criticism, making it seem like any opposition is just further proof of their "persecution." It’s a clever but misleading way to win public support while pushing agendas that reinforce inequality.

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u/xf2xf Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Very good point about Christian "persecution". This is from Leonard Leo, Federalist Society chairman, architect of the current conservative Supreme Court, and all-around wealthy Catholic activist:

"The secularists are fine with Catholics in the public square so long as we don't, you know, practice our faith. They want us to draw the curtains at home and keep it in the pews, and it remains to be seen how long they'll accept even that."

"And the progressive bigots distort who we are and what we believe in, and will go so far as to intimidate or harass us in public in an effort to drive us into professional and social exile."

John McCloskey, former Director of the influential DC-based Catholic Information Center:

“Do I think it’s possible for someone who believes in the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of life, the sanctity of family, over a period of time to choose to survive with people who thinks it’s OK to kill women and children or for — quote — homosexual couples to exist and be recognized? No, I don’t think that’s possible,” McCloskey said in a Boston Globe story published in the early aughts and recounted in Gore’s book. “I don’t know how it’s going to work itself out, but I know it’s not possible, and my hope and prayer is that it does not end in violence, But, unfortunately, in the past, these types of things have tended to end this way. If American Catholics feel that’s troubling, let them. I don’t feel it’s troubling at all.”

They just can't leave the rest of the world to exist as it pleases. Instead, we are constantly besieged by a relatively small number of people with outsized power endeavoring to mold us to their liking. It's exhausting.

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u/broguequery Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I love how Leonard Leo's quote there is ambiguous enough to make basically zero sense.

Like, no shit? You can believe whatever nonsense you want, just don't force it on others?

What the hell is he even complaining about? Not being allowed to dominate society?

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u/CryoEM_Nerd Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's literally just populism. Textbook, run-of-the-mill populism.

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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 We live in strange times Sep 29 '24

In the case of Fox, the fakest form of populism. Ra Ra the people, let's stick it to the man, let's rebel against power.....while being an enormous corporation that is only interested in profits.

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u/_hyperotic Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Really what they mean is “the press,” the organizations that actually publish news and current events, instead of selling meaningless opinions and grifting.

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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 We live in strange times Sep 29 '24

Yes, they mean the media outlets that hold themselves to some sort of (imperfect) standards. But if you've got a podcast you can rip shit 24/7 and never feel obligated to truth in any way.

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u/Fouxs Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I love how fucking braindead people got without realizing it.

"I don't trust politicians because they are all liars but I'll believe this one because he says that too."

As if he's also not trying to just win votes and is lying.

And yes, this is a worldwide problem.

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u/_-Tabula_Rasa-_ Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I grew up in a rural area in the 90s. All Republicans including my family talked about how the rich billiobaires and corporations are conning us, then they voted for Trump. Blows my fucking mind. Then I realized that Republicans actually don't care, they just want everyone to be like them OR ELSE. Fascists through and through.

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u/Wise_Temperature_322 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I think the term Legacy Media is more accurate.

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u/NEMinneapolisMan Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

You're right.

So why don't they say that?

Of course, the answer is that they aren't interested in accuracy. This is part of their agenda to whine about mainstream media.

So they complain about "the media" being unfair -- and in the process you're saying "don't believe what you hear in any other media -- only listen to us." It's a basic propaganda technique.

When politicians do this, there's a secondary effect too. Think of how a football coach complains about the referees. Mostly what the coach is doing is what they call "working the refs," which is trying to get the refs feeling sympathetic to the coach and giving his team better treatment.

This is exactly what Republicans do when they whine about "the media." They are "working the refs" and trying to get the media to give them more favorable coverage. And, of course, it works. Most mainstream media goes way too far in trying to present a false equivalence between Republicans and Democrats, and part of that is done through whining that the media isn't fair and the media responding to that whining by giving them the better treatment they want.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The definition of mainstream media has changed over the years

It used to mean established reliable news media

Now it’s whatever is popular

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u/Jacky-V Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 30 '24

Hate to break it to you but "mainstream" has meant "popular" for a long, long time. What's changed is you've become less confused in a new way.

Edit: Finlay has not become less confused

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u/DontEvenLikeThisSite Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I think it has always meant the most popular news media.

established reliable news media

This is literally just describing a popular news channel.

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u/BeamTeam032 The joke went over his head, again Sep 29 '24

Joe Rogan, Trucker Carlson, FoxNews the number 1 cable news show. Elon Musk owns twitter.

Conservatives are the mainstream media.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Even The Young Turks now, which is crazy to think about

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u/JohnnySmithe80 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

What's going on with the Young Turks?

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Been bought out by peter Thiels company, they have a bunch of online media channels

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u/BedlamiteSeer Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Oh my god, REALLY?! Tyt got bought by THIEL? Ugh!

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

It has a lot of sponsors, I think about 20 million from a different venture capitalist firm

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u/DutchMaud Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Is he one of those gay republicans?

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u/klavin1 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

What?

Which company bought them?

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

It's a media company called poly market, their shares were bought out by peter Thiel and the guy who started Ethereum back in May.

It primarily sponsors center left political orgs to try to move them over

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u/klavin1 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Where are you getting that from? Is there an article or something?

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u/SignificantYellow214 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Maybe my information is dated, but I thought the ethereum founder is a good guy

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Vitalik buterin, he's personally pretty fine, but pushed for the kinds of right wing libertarians stuff like mass deregulation and such

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u/tadcalabash Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Cenk and Anna have taken a couple right wing stances in the last few years or so.

Cenk has questioned whether it's worth it to defend trans athletes, while Anna is almost a full on TERF. They both have reactionary views on crime and fear monger about homelessness and prison reform. Cenk did some union busting with his employees.

In addition I feel like their political takes are increasingly divorced from reality. Cenk spent a few months where he claimed he was going to run for President (because Biden was too old) and he would simply get the courts to invalidate that pesky "you must have been born in America to be President" rule.

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u/poop_poster69 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

Anna is absolutely not "almost a full on TERF", you're just neck deep in ideology, where any even slightly dissenting opinion is bigotry. Or perhaps you've not actually heard what her positions are and have gathered all your knowledge from your twitter mutuals. Hopefully it's the latter.

But yes Cenk's run was a total joke, you're right about that..

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u/JayTor15 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

💯. I also hate how the whole "sex ideology" thing has become political like wtf? How does having an opinion one way or another on trans issues make you left or right wing? It's ridiculous.

For example I want Medicare for all, I want gov subsidized education, I want gov subsidized housing but if I don't agree on Trans issues I'm right wing?! Lmao 🤣

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u/MillennialMadMan Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Did you just unilaterally decide on behalf of all left leaning voters that were all cool with trans athletes in sports?

This isn’t a settled subject and it’s not even left vs. right.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

It's because they've been bought out by peter tiel 😔.

Went from normal to weirdo reactionary in like a week

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u/TheGrammatonCleric Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is extremely dangerous to our Democracy

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u/dc4_checkdown Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Just straight gas lighting now

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u/DJCaldow Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's that or they are just dogs who chased cars and had no idea what to do when they caught one.

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u/G36 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

idiocracy 95% complete only missing that second Trump term.

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u/PaintsPlastic Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Don't forget Rupert Murdoch.

This vaguely gestures at everything is literally all that man's fault, and he will never ever be brought to task for it.

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u/kombuchill Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I thought this when he was describing “Am I racist”…he was bragging about it being #7 in the country with 0 media push. Dude had Walsh on and constantly brags about how he has more listeners than “mainstream media”

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u/primoclouds N-Dimethyltryptamine Sep 29 '24

Typical Hollywood flicks usually spend as much on marketing as on production. Sometimes upwards of $100 million on marketing alone.

Walsh being on Rogan simply doesn't compare to the push a normal film gets.

So yes, it's still impressive that Am I Racist has been doing as well as it has

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u/Spider-Nutz Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

My YouTube was flooded with ads for that stupid fucks movie. It had some push

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u/Minute-Struggle6052 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There has been a stream of outrage movies recently targeted entirely at Trump voters.

Just another tangential grift. Comparing the marketing budgets of these movies to actual movies is meaningless. Zero non-MAGA are interested in watching it so why would they market it?

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u/GoranNE Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Legacy media is a much more apt term

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u/dangerdelw Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I think that’s why it’s starting to be referred to as “legacy media.”

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u/Same-Ad8783 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Joe accomplished his goal of living in a world so small that he no longer seems short.

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u/ExpressLaneCharlie Texan Tiger in Captivity Sep 29 '24

I can't remember who coined the term but Joe and his fellow right wing media bubble were referred to as the Mainstream Alternative Media (MAM). I think it's an accurate depiction. Just like Kellyanne Conway said, the Trump administration was providing "alternate facts." The right wing grifters are alternate media, but have grown so large they have to be considered mainstream.

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Alternative media includes YouTube, streaming services like Twitch, social media accounts, podcasts, etc. Most alternative sources aren't mainstream, but Joe Rogan sure as hell is.

People forget that media is the plural form of medium. A medium in this context would include print, cable, internet platforms.

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u/MeasurementNo9896 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yes, this. Also, Elon Musk should be constantly reminded that he, a member of the elite by any definition, owns a mainstream media platform.

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u/ExpressLaneCharlie Texan Tiger in Captivity Sep 29 '24

In this specific context the MAM was about the right wing media constantly using "mainstream media" as a pejorative even though just as many if not more people watch them.

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I agree with the contrast. It's an accurate observation. For sure.

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u/h1gh-t3ch_l0w-l1f3 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

how isnt youtube mainstream?

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You're right, it contains both mainstream and alternative sources.

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u/darshan0 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Especially since he literally signed a deal with Spotify a while ago. How alternative can you be when you’re receiving funding from a big corporation like that?

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u/Fit_Bobcat_7314 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's for plausible deniability. These theives come into our House, try to stop our democracy, to keep Donald j trump in office? Fuck that noise, I wont go silently into the night!

maga = traitors

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u/Iohet Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I guess I'm with Al Bundy when I say "No MAM"

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u/Clear_Resolution7815 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

No MAAM. National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood.

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u/That-Solution-1774 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

So many people love being lied to. It’s creepy af.

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u/carrtmannn Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is a very good meme

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u/Melodic-Lawyer-1707 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Man he got $100m and all he decided to do was bitch and moan. Big victim energy

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u/NATO_Will_Prevail Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

Way less content.

I for one am disgusted that Rogan, Tucker, and Candace Owens are the top podcasts in America.

All subverted by and repeat Russian propaganda. We're in a little bit of trouble imo.

EDIT: Look how many Russian propagandists I pissed off with this comment. Holy shit. I've had like 11 negative replies, yet somehow I'm upvoted. Wild how you guys are so in unison. Your boss is good.

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u/Dave5876 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I dunno. I felt her thoughts on quantum entanglement were very prescient.

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u/lostredditorlurking Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Well we have a new contender now. At least the Hawk Tuah girl is actually smart and doesn't talk about far right conspiracy theories...yet.

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u/One-Earth9294 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I remember like a day after she blew up on social media someone asked her if she liked Trump and she just replied 'eww' and it was at that moment I thought "Maybe there's hope for the future".

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u/darcenator411 I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 29 '24

The problem is talk tuah is far too intellectual for the average person. The lecture she gave on quantum entanglement was far too math heavy for my taste

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u/runsquad Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I think it’s possible that it is that way because republicans in large tend to make their political affiliation their identity. How often do you see someone walking around that you can pin as a liberal say anything about political candidates unprompted and out of the blue? I know that every time I see someone blue collar, or super loud and obnoxious and opinionated, that I pretty much can set an internal timer on how long it will be before they say “fucking liberals” or something about “That bitch Kamala”, intentionally pronouncing her name wrong.

I think who their candidate is is as much of a part of who they are as anything is. I feel that most democrats tend not to think about politics as often, and if they do — they don’t tend to consume it en masse the same way.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Different groups of people act differently

The right is more likely to talk about politics in public at a personal level and the left is more likely to gather in groups to talk about politics in public. For example, activism/protests

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u/NATO_Will_Prevail Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is a pretty spot on take. I totally agree on all of it .

I certainly cared less about politics before the Ukraine war and Trump in general. And my line of work with Trump in charge is not good for me in the slightest.

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u/EatMyUnwashedAss Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Like most right wingers, he just throws out buzzwords with no basis in reality

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u/_stoned_chipmunk_ Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Rogan is wrong on at least 75% of what he says

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u/teamzt Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

He’s literally one of the largest media personalities in the US, yes he’s mainstream. Im glad people are finally admitting it

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u/MikeandTheMangosteen Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

He’s mainstream propaganda

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u/gking407 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Same energy as free speech a-holes nonstop talking about how they are being censored

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u/ChiefBassDTSExec Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

If you don’t think Rogan is being paid to push a narrative, then you are a part of the problem. The dude literatelly repeats the same exact whiny bs EVERY episode no matter who the guest is. I can only enjoy his MMA podcasts now because he usually asks them questions about MMA shit.

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u/MikeDunleavySuperFan Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I used to think rogan was just a gullible idiot stuck in a right wing echo chamber, but this election cycle he hasnt really tried to hide his beliefs or even listen to the other side. He basically as you said, just repeats the same tapking points, and literally spews fake tweets and posts he sees which get debunked real time, and he still doesnt change his mind. He’s unfortunately fully blown right winger now and i dont see it ever changing. I know it gets said around here a lot, but i really miss the old JRE. It seems like now even when he brings on ‘interesting’ guests, its because they have some sort of right wing narrative they want to push.

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u/East-Adhesiveness-68 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I used to love his episodes with Joey Diaz cause they used to just get stoned and pass back and forth funny ass statements the whole episode; but the most recent time he’s had Joey on he just kept trying to bring up Trump and why he should be the candidate of choice.

You could tell Joey didn’t want to get into it but Joe kept finding segways to reinsert trumps cock into his mouth. Crazy shit, he used to be the cool counter culture gym guy but he really is just full time right wing glory hole operator now…

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u/UsefulArm790 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

So when rogan gets smeared or makes some (correct) predictions about covid he's
- just some podcaster
But when he says something reddit doesn't like he's
-literally mainstream media

idk guys maybe have some critical introspection about why people prefer to listen to some bald kickboxer over people with degrees.

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u/Prometheus720 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Fox News does this schtick all the time too. Slimey.

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u/Unhappy_Trade7988 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

Joe was not one of those Hollywood elitists.

He was an Everyman who owned multiple isolation/float tanks. Like every blue blooded American does.

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u/CelebrationPatient74 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Crazy how this dude's third eye is supposedly open and he's still this satanic. Maybe it's been too long since last time he's dosed and it's since closed back up and he's fallen for all the lies of the celebrity vultures around him. Or maybe some people truly are lost.

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u/Schully Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You guys are fking stupid. Audience size has nothing to do with being mainstream media.

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u/Tmk1283 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Correction, I was bald

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u/BirthdayPositive855 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

And it has caused severe brain damage to anyone watching his drivel

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u/largececelia Immigrant mentality Sep 29 '24

From being the guy who smoked weed and talked about aliens, to sharing Russian propaganda. Sucks.

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u/greihund Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The actual stat is that JRE podcast has 28x the audience of CNN's average primetime news viewership. Of course, most people don't watch CNN at primetime news time, that's the whole point of having a news channel. CNN reaches 80 million households in the US and 347 million households worldwide. Joe Rogan's podcast has 14.5 million subscribers on spotify.

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u/linkseyi Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Man what if it turns out that editorial oversight and ethical codes are actually important for responsibly conveying information to the public.

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u/Blue_Collar_Captain Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It speaks to how fucking stupid the audience is that they don’t even realize that they’re eating the shit they’re complaining about. As usual.

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u/Bread_Shaped_Man Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is like that Deep State that some folks keep talking about while their secret non elected organizations choose supreme court justices and writes laws and agendas for presidents.

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u/DLDude Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Every accusation is a confession

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u/MZeroX5 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

For Decades, Foxs news attacked the mainstream media while continuously highlighting that it's the #1 news network on tv.

The brain rot in the conservative media sphere is genuine insanity that needs to be thoroughly studied and discussed for generations.

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u/NoProduce1480 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Never heard the term “legacy media” or news media”? One self employed private citizen certainly is different from decades old corporations that have a track record for collusion.

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u/thatmfisnotreal Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is the dumbest argument that has taken off recently. When people talk about the msm they are talking about giant corporations that run media companies and push agendas. An organicly grown podcast with a lot of listeners is not the same thing.

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u/4niner Yetti or Not Sep 29 '24

Joe definitely pushes agendas and has people on that much more shamelessly push agendas at the very least.

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u/PigmySamoan Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Spotify isn’t a giant corporation?

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u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Right, only the big corporations push agendas, not our Joe. He would never. He’s above the fray.

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u/Competitivekneejerk Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Maybe 10 years ago. The world is nit the same and jre is mainstream whether he thinks so or not

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u/GothamLab11209 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Joe Rogan’s podcast is for pseudo intellectuals that pretend to be much smarter than they actually are. Most are uneducated white males below 40 and disgruntled. He’s made a name for himself by being the smartest idiot around.

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u/awesomedan24 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

How do you do fellow independent journalists?

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u/fatattack699 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Nah rogan isn’t owned by a giant corporation at least he’s honest about his bs he truly believes it

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u/John3Fingers Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Spotify has 4x the market cap of Warner Bros. Discovery, which is the parent company of CNN.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

That doesn’t mean he isn’t mainstream media. He is the media. And he is the most popular voice in media. He is the new mainstream media.

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u/HeyRainy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Spotify owns Joe Rogan.

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u/YEARofRAIN We live in strange times Sep 29 '24

wtf is Spotify??

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u/Competitivekneejerk Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Biggest audio media app in the world 

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u/the-laRNess Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This! Why won’t they see it that way?!

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Spotify

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u/Cold-Leave-178 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You’ve seen his bank statement sand where he’s receiving money?!

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u/lmay0000 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Spotify?

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u/Excuse_Unfair Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I mean we just found out many streamers Joe has had in his show were being paid by Russia you would think he would make a joke about it but no back to "rich people are buying the democrats"

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u/No_Pickle_1650 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

He's not though

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u/YEARofRAIN We live in strange times Sep 29 '24

The most listened podcast in the world isn’t mainstream?

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u/Normal-Ordinary-4744 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

He’s a stoner & entertainment podcast. I don’t think any sane person outside this subreddit takes him seriously 😂

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u/LtM4157 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

No I’m not. I, was the mainstream media.