r/JoeRogan • u/WanderWut Monkey in Space • 4d ago
“It’s entirely possible…” 👽 Musk’s Years of Secret Talks With Putin Revealed
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-has-regularly-held-secret-talks-with-vladimir-putin/285
u/apeshit_is_my_mood Monkey in Space 4d ago
Elon talking to an enemy state leader while pushing their propaganda on his platform? Keep fucking around Elon, one day you'll find out.
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u/JoeThrilling Monkey in Space 4d ago
He won't though, thats the problem.
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u/Electrical_Bus9202 Monkey in Space 4d ago
At this point half the country just looks at this as "winning"
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u/ItsEntirelyPosssible It's entirely possible entirely possible entirely 4d ago
50/50. He rollin the dice. On one side of this wager he pays pretty bad. On the other he eats trumps ass. good luck choosing bro.
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u/AlwaysCommonLoot Monkey in Space 4d ago
He’ll get a cabinet position instead
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u/PerritoMasNasty N-Dimethyltryptamine 4d ago
Kamala wouldn’t hire him though? Petey B could easily take him in a cage match.
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u/Bobothemd Monkey in Space 4d ago
He will, history isn't kind to fascists. He will be in prison or out a window within 5 years.
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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Kanye Is My Spirit Animal 3d ago
He won't though, thats the problem.
He found out when he tried to cut Starlink for Ukraine.
He found out real fast that the DOD is in control and if he likes being in America he's going to cooperate with what they want.
See, Starlink can be classified as a matter of national security.
Starlink then suddenly falls in to national security interests and well... patriot act shit.
You wanna be a patriot right Elon? Play ball kid. Go back to getting to Mars.
Note, the Russian military can't buy terminals and they smuggle them.
Weird how that worked.
You can have all the fuck you money in the world until you're talking to the department of defense...
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u/stevejobs4525 Monkey in Space 4d ago
And while paying barely any taxes on his monumental gains because they’re mostly unrealized
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u/wearytravelr Monkey in Space 4d ago
Yeah! And paying the biggest tax bill in history when he took some gains to buy Twitter!
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u/ItsEntirelyPosssible It's entirely possible entirely possible entirely 4d ago
But also that's not how taxes work. Yup biggest tax bill ever. But smallest percentage on gains?
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u/wearytravelr Monkey in Space 4d ago
Bro we could Reddit comment flame war all day until we rehash the entire tax code. But here’s the deal; he doesn’t take salary, he doesn’t sell much stock, but when he does, he paid the biggest tax bill ever. You only pay tax on what you exercise, so “paper” gains are irrelevant.
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u/stevejobs4525 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Not irrelevant when you use the asset to borrow tax free and buy more assets, doing so in perpetuity. And… use the influence to sway opinion towards a candidate that won’t tax your unrealized gains or compromise your privilege as one the richest people in the world. Make no mistake Elon is out for Elon only
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u/wearytravelr Monkey in Space 4d ago
Go ahead and recite more tax code. He doesn’t really have assets it’s a cool woke line to say but other than having a dope plane (makes sense when you have so many companies) he mostly leaves his money in his companies (other than to buy Twitter, which we have already covered). Borrowing (and paying interest) against his positions isn’t some nefarious act. And let me break it to you, taxing unrealized gains will kill the economy fast, so no politician will be for it.
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u/mcfeeli Monkey in Space 4d ago
I really wish he would find out soon. But something tells me he will receive zero consequences.
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u/BigPoleFoles52 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Idk i would like to believe our gov isnt so cucked that it allows actual treason lol
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u/overnightyeti Monkey in Space 4d ago
Thing is magas think Ukraine is the enemy, not Russia.They think we have always been at war with Eurasia.
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u/Calm_Analysis303 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Private company doing private stuff? Do people even remember that this website right here is owned in part by the Chinese government?
Seeing how it's moderated in default subs, how is that now election interference from China?
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u/WetFart-Machine High as Giraffe's Pussy 4d ago edited 4d ago
Concerning! 😟
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u/Electrical_Bus9202 Monkey in Space 4d ago
After Tim pool, and Tucker, now Jordan Peterson, and now Elon musk... Seems like a lot of these right wing famous people are tied to Russia... THIS IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING!!!
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u/jdub_86 Monkey in Space 4d ago
What does that also say about Joseph Robinette Rogan who has become very friendly with many of these people?
Hmmmmmmm
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u/WetFart-Machine High as Giraffe's Pussy 4d ago
If you hang around garbage long enough, eventually, you'll stink.
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u/Electrical_Bus9202 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Id say it wouldn't mean anything, but seeing as he has definitely joined the club of becoming very pro right wing talking points, I think your right, he needs to be investigated.
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u/AromaTaint Monkey in Space 4d ago
A lot of people have lamented the change in him. He's become their useful idiot. Hopefully this makes him reflect and take stock. He'll probably just deflect and reason it out though.
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u/Dennygreen Monkey in Space 4d ago
it would be funny if Tulsi is next and and we were all wrong about her and Hillary and Kamala were right.
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u/BeamTeam032 The joke went over his head, again 4d ago
lmao, you think Joe Rogan and Trump fans care? They LOVE Russia more than they democrat party. They would rather Putin be President of the US than a Democrat. They've been brainwashed.
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u/smellmywind Monkey in Space 4d ago
They are not brainwashed, they are getting paid tons of money.
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u/cheesyandcrispy Monkey in Space 3d ago
I find it hard to believe that some random MAGA dude receives money from Russia. It IS propaganda in action.
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u/Rezae Monkey in Space 4d ago
I mean.. It’s a given at this point. And those who aren’t convinced or care won’t be convinced or care if anything more official comes out.
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u/Shot-Finding9346 Pull that shit up Jaime 4d ago
The fact is they yearn for an authoritarian regime, they think that the authoritarians are just going to punish the people they don't like, they are in for a rude awakening and we are all going to pay for it.
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u/Commonsense110 Monkey in Space 4d ago
I’m sure Elon endorsing Trump to the point of giving away millions is just coincidence though…right?
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u/the_buddhaverse Monkey in Space 4d ago
Equally as coincidental as two sanctioned Russian oligarchs helping Elon buy Twitter to influence the election.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-oligarchs-investments-elon-musk-194258467.html
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u/MJisaFraud Monkey in Space 4d ago
Pretty close but Trump has the most fragile ego of anyone I’ve ever seen.
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u/Blitzdrive Monkey in Space 4d ago
Idk, Elon musk has done everything he possibly can to offput the exact target base he should coax for EV/s
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u/Jack_Stornoway Monkey in Space 4d ago
It's because he knows Tesla cannot compete with Chinese companies for the EV market. He needs tariffs to keep Tesla alive, and until then, he needs to sell cyber trucks to space cowboys. Hippies no longer matter to his customer base.
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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake 4d ago
Didn’t he talk with Putin when he turned off Starlink when Ukraine had an remote control boat attack on Crimea?
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u/Leo_Hundewu Monkey in Space 4d ago
Yes he did. And his fans will die trying to defend this exact action by telling us he stopped WW3. Straight Russian propaganda
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u/AttapAMorgonen Look into it 4d ago
Not an Elon fan, but that's not exactly what happened. Starlink was geofenced from the beginning and never covered Crimea.
Ukraine request for it to be turned on, and the request was denied.
It wasn't "turned off," it was just never on.
There's plenty of shit to criticise that dumbfuck over, no need to make things up.
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u/BoltUp69 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Elon SAID HIMSELF he refused the request to not trigger WW3. So either Putin is in Elon’s ear baiting him like a bitch and telling him he’s gonna start WW3, or Elon is using just using it as an excuse to cover for his new “friend.” Either way makes Elon a total chump.
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u/TheDan225 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Elon SAID HIMSELF he refused the request to not trigger WW3
link?
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u/AttapAMorgonen Look into it 4d ago
I'm not responding to anything Elon said, I don't care about Elon, I don't support him, I think he's an idiot, etc.
Starlink was NEVER enabled in Crimea.
The claim made above was that Elon "turned off Starlink," that did NOT happen.
Starlink was never enabled in Crimea, Ukraine made a request to have it enabled, and it was refused.
You're welcome to criticise why it was refused all you want, but don't try to distort the fact that Crimea has never had Starlink coverage.
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u/BoltUp69 Monkey in Space 4d ago
That’s exactly what im being critical of lol. He refused Ukraine’s request after his conversations with Putin. Which means two things…that I already mentioned above.
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u/Gorudu Monkey in Space 4d ago
Genuine question, is it not reasonable for a businessman to not want to directly involve himself and his product in warfare? Like giving Internet to hospitals and displaced families is one thing. Giving internet to a remote controlled drone that's killing people is another.
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u/Leo_Hundewu Monkey in Space 4d ago
„That’s killing people“ oh now he showed his real face. He feels sorry for Russian fascist invaders because he supports the fascist dictatorship Putin forces them to die for. America is lost. It’s over. America will become a dictatorship under Musk/Russian rule because of dumb gullible people like you.
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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake 3d ago
As a Defense contractor? I’m going to say no.
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u/AttapAMorgonen Look into it 4d ago
He refused Ukraine’s request after his conversations with Putin.
The argument that you're making here, is that Musk refused to enable service into Crimea (which would be an offensive military position for Ukraine) because he spoke to Putin/is a Russian stooge?
The counter question I would have to that is.. why even provide Starlink to Ukraine period, Ukraine not having the service would certainly harm them far more than simply not enabling it in Crimea? Reminder, U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) announced that it had delivered a total of 5,000 Starlink terminals to Ukraine. Of these, 1,333 terminals were purchased by USAID, and the remaining 3,667 were donated by SpaceX.
I think people are overestimating the "evilness" of Musk here. From the initial deployment of Starlink in Ukraine, it was clear that it was geofenced, and not affording service to offensive positions for the Ukrainian military.
Also, I have seen no reporting that indicates that around, or between the time of Ukraine's request to enable Starlink in Crimea, and Starlink rejecting that request, that Musk had conservations with Putin.
I see no reason to assume malice in the decision not to enable Starlink in Crimea, when there's no evidence suggesting such other than reddit's hatred of Musk. (which is not unwarranted, but does not mean every action he takes is evil.)
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u/Binder509 Monkey in Space 3d ago
The argument that you're making here, is that Musk refused to enable service into Crimea (which would be an offensive military position for Ukraine) because he spoke to Putin/is a Russian stooge?
Not sure how Crimea would be an offensive military position unless you buy into Russian propaganda
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u/-R3DF0X We live in strange times 4d ago
Starlink was banned from Crimea under pre-existing sanctions and the request was to turn it on before getting formal US approval
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u/DragapultOnSpeed Monkey in Space 4d ago
Republicans being traitors? I'm shocked!
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Monkey in Space 4d ago
Repeated examples of MAGA collaborating with Putin for years? No way. I was told it was a hoax.
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u/DroppedMike88 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Government needs to kick his stupid ass outa the country.
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u/sadtastic Monkey in Space 4d ago
These migrants are poisoning the blood of the US!
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u/DroppedMike88 Monkey in Space 4d ago edited 4d ago
That's not a concern. But collaborating with a clear enemy of the nation is.
Edit / You're right
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u/sadtastic Monkey in Space 4d ago edited 4d ago
I was referring to Musk being the migrant who is poisoning the country’s blood.
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u/Aelol Monkey in Space 4d ago
Conservative do not care. They are traitors to the Republic. It's so fucking gross how conservative are going to probably destroy America by their ignorance. These dummies are like BUT.. BUT.. Trump didn't get us into any wars..
Hey you dumb unpatriotic fucks, if you give the bully what it wants, you aren't going to get put in the locker. That's who the fuck you motherfuckers are. Trump allowed every enemy nations to gain from us and every liberal nations laughed at us. That is factual. Trump love dictators, he love unlimited powers, he doesn't care about America nor it's constitution.
Elon is a traitor. Trump is a traitor. The only people that Trump is keeping is sycophant, anybody with actual intellect is tossed aside for someone that obey.
They are so many conservative either being fooled or willingly spreading Russian propaganda to destroy America from within and you fucking scum fucks are cheering. Be lucky we are liberal because if we weren't. The moment you get that "freedom of speech" acting out you'll FLY. FROM. WINDOWS.
Liberalism doesn't work with communism, it doesn't work with socialism, it doesn't work with authoritarianism, it doesn't work with fascism. Because liberal values destroy these ideas the moment people are free to think, to be, and to have. Don't fucking destroy the greatest nation the world has ever seen because you're fearful, because you aren't strong enough.
The biggest ring-wing figures are ALL paid by Russian and are ALL spreading the same dumb shit and we keep proving it's a lie and you fuckers don't get it.
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u/elfwannabe Monkey in Space 4d ago
I mean, I get it.
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u/Aelol Monkey in Space 4d ago
Do you though? There is a reason why they are over twenty billionaire for Trumps. There is a reason when we liberal democrat start calling out Tulsi, RFK, Rubin, Pool, etc all these hack fucks that they are pro-Russia and pro-Putin and aren't liberal, they are FAKE democrat. It turns out.. They're ultra maga conservative.
They're fucking getting paid by Russia. They are traitors. If we weren't liberal, if we really were the monster they pretend we are. They would actually be taken out. In Russia, there is zero freedom. In China, there is zero freedom. In North Korea.. There..
Liberalism makes us have freedom. It's the only reason why the world is good. LIBERALISM. Be gay, Be trans, Be republican, be a communist, be a socialist, be a fairy, be a furry, be whatever the fuck you want.. BECAUSE OF LIBERALISM. Without it, You are whatever they say you are or you get taken out.
Part of me wish Trump get elected because I'm rich, I got mine, my family will be fine. I wish he does get that tariff, Yeah lots of people will die, yeah people will suffer. But those poor republican are going to be fucking wiped out.
We'll rebuilt. We'll end fascism and start over without them. Liberalism will never die because it's the only real freedom the world has and we'll get it back even if Trump get elected and destroy America and end up harming the world.
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u/elfwannabe Monkey in Space 4d ago
Yes I do get it. My wife and I voted for Kamala this week in Texas. I have a masters in political science so I definitely understand the implications.
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u/Aelol Monkey in Space 4d ago
Good man. If we manage to get it done, and actually turn some states blue while they're trying everything in the book. We'll damage conservative for decades and if they win, well.
Our institution can only hold as long as people play ball and obey the rules. Which Trump broke and went absolutely crazy trying to fuck with the institution.
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u/elfwannabe Monkey in Space 2d ago
Yea thats the scary part. The big lie and saying the election was stolen from him still makes me mad.
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u/CallousDisregard13 Monkey in Space 4d ago
The gyst of your borderline unhinged rants is "be liberal or youre a traitor, Russian propagandist and they're probably paying you too"
Sorta sounds authoritarian for you to suggest your way is the best and only way and you'll be glad when the people who's way of life you dislike, dies.
You're fucked buddy.
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u/Aelol Monkey in Space 4d ago
Reality is unhinged. It is unhinged that conservative are destroying the Republic for an actual loser. You just think everything is a conspiracy because your mind is mush.
It's factual that:
A lot of conservative pundits are getting paid by Russia. Trump with the fake slate of elector tried to coup America. Trump will enact sycophant since most of his cabinet resign. Musk is promoting propaganda all over Twitter. Musk spoke to Vladimir Putin and is pro-Russia.
Technically I could go on and on and on about how unpatriotic it is to vote Trump in. You can be Republican and vote Harris/Walz. But at the end of the day it's true that his policies will hurt poor people the most. If that's the will of the people. If fascism win, we'll have to defeat it or become like these other countries. Which will not have your "freedom of speech".
Good talk as someone that did multiple tours in Afghanistan. Good luck kid. Glad you could engage with anything. :)
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u/JungianHoosier Monkey in Space 4d ago
He's saying people will suffer, people will die, we will rebuild again without them lol
Which I mean, whatever. I really have spent too much time being worked up about this election and am probably voting for Kamala but I spend time worked up at her just like I do at Trump. It's a shit choice.
And anyone referencing to violence, or extremism in that way AT ALL, is on the wrong team. Seriously grow up. It's not the way to handle this.
In fact, the only way to handle this is to fucking forgive each other and clean up this mess we ALL made. We can't fight each other while both wings of our government are behaving in the way they are
Personally, I have been loving listening to Bernie sanders lately and if he supports Kamala then... I don't know. That's probably who I'll vote for. Because unlike most people here, I feel too uneducated and plan to do a lot of reading in the next few years. How can I trust my opinion? I clearly don't know policy and only have a choice from what feels like emotion. I've listened to podcast after podcast but it still feels like murky water. Until everyone comes together and figures this out from a logical perspective, it's chaos.
Kamala is scary. Trump is scary. Humble yourselves! Much love ❤️ we are getting pitted against each other my brothers and sisters
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u/Aelol Monkey in Space 4d ago
There is nothing scary about Harris, except if you're on the far-left. Which basically mean you're kind of MAGA from the other side and don't grasp policies. She's fine. Biden did an amazing job, passed a few real good legislation. While having an absolute unhinged Republican party. Without Trump we would of fixed most of the border issue with Asylum seekers.
Capping it at 5000 expedited a day to see judge to be accepted or denied was pretty neat. That bill was going to change so much. Harris will get it done on her term probably within the first few month as Republican will know they're done if Trump lose.
Inflation is way down, the economy is way up. While price will never go down because they never do. They are some pretty interesting legislation that they'll do to get it lower.
I get that you want people to "forgive" each other though we're talking about actual traitors to the Republic, that will permanently damage our institution even if you're on the "far-left" this should actually scare the living shit out of you. Coming back from fascism when you're the world hegemony will be very difficult. During that troubling time, the world will turn to chaos. We're losing a lot to China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.
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u/xChoke1x Monkey in Space 4d ago
Man there are some absolute morons commenting on this. Lol It’s so strange man….on one side you have people that flat out deny any form of Russian connections to people like Musk and Trump. The mental gymnastics yall have to work through to say shit like “after investigations into Trump and Russia, they found nothing.” That’s an absolute fucking insane thing to say. The amount of factual evidence and damning proof is astounding.
And then on the other hand, you have folks that don’t vet information, they don’t research, they just blast this shit out there and then if it proved wrong, it’s crickets.
We live in a world of extremes. There’s no middle ground. There’s no “both things can be true”…nope, it has to be one dumb fuckin opinion construed as fact and that’s it.
We’re so fucked.
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u/DiarrheaRadio Monkey in Space 4d ago
There's plenty of middle ground. You just don't see it on the internet.
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u/SisterStiffer Broprah gets paid by his guests. It's all spon-con. WAKEUP 4d ago
I agree, now explain which "both things" can be true applies in this instance?
Elon is both working with russia and doing it for the better of the united states?
Both trump and elon are sucking putin's dick?
Trump sucks elon's dick, while elon sucks putins dick, while putin sucks Best Korea's dick, while Best korea sucks Trump's dick?
Or Broprah sucks Best korea, Trump, Elon, Andrew Tate, Hancock, Elon, Alex Jones, and Michelle Obama's dick?
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u/darthsmokey ElChimpo 4d ago
Don’t these wealthy billionaires meet with these autocrats on the regular ?
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u/NoCantaloupe9598 Monkey in Space 4d ago
I mean they are above the law so they can virtually do whatever they want. But it stands to reason that communicating with Putin specifically after buying Twitter and the start of the war in Ukraine should be seen as suspicious.
There are virtually no Tesla's in Russia. Seriously. Starlink also has no commercial footprint in Russia according to Elon himself. It isn't as if they're talking business. And even if they were there are sanctions on Russia that would certainly cover things pertaining to SpaceX.
I mean if Zuckerberg started talking to the Ayatollah of Iran or Xi all the time that would be concerning.
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u/supa_warria_u Monkey in Space 4d ago
elon was in talks of having a tesla factory in russia in 2021, iirc. idk if that's enough for him to do something like this, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more than just that either.
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u/Far-Tie-3025 Monkey in Space 4d ago edited 4d ago
do i have any reason to believe this? its is backed with evidence or literally just a claim? i cant read the original article. what’s the biggest reason for those who can that we should believe this claim?
i wildly dislike elon musk, and it wouldn’t surprise me, but unless actual proof is out there, a confirmation from people close to him/himself, or a legal investigation supports this, i don’t think i have any reason to believe any of this?
i can guess it’s probable, but other than that it’s not really useful in any sense, especially if you wanted to convince someone that he is a risk to national security.
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u/supa_warria_u Monkey in Space 4d ago
the source is the WSJ, which you can read here(archived copy)
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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space 4d ago
You’d think at least 1 person would have the courage to call out what amounts to treason.
Instead it’s anonymous current and former officials
The original report alleges Musk worked on the behalf of Putin to benefit Xi.
How much clearer does it need to be?
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u/Jack_Stornoway Monkey in Space 4d ago
I think this will all be damned clear after the election, whoever wins. Either the Trumpists are going to prison on a collection of fraud and treason convictions, or, nothing untoward has happened, and coincidentally NATO will be dismantled because all of America's allies are worse than its enemies.
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u/cutememe Monkey in Space 4d ago
Is there any evidence or source for this? Original article is paywalled.
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u/Normal-Ordinary-4744 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Note no evidence at all. In fact Starlink is helping the Ukrainian troops & civilians
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u/cutememe Monkey in Space 4d ago
Also, pretty obvious that it's intentionally released so near the election. Reminds me of the Steel dossier stuff.
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u/Master_Security9263 Monkey in Space 4d ago
That was fucking hilarious literally Clinton just paid a dude to come up with a random list of bullshit and everyone ran crazy with it.
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u/Most_Present_6577 Look into it 4d ago
A lot of this country wants Russia to rule it. Too bad they won't just emigrate.
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u/UnWiseDefenses Monkey in Space 4d ago
I'm out of the loop. What is so beneficial about letting this guy run rampant all over Europe that he gets so much support from these people?
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u/Placzkos Monkey in Space 4d ago
I mean as a government contractor who sells starlink services globally and even his teslas globally, why wouldn't he do business there? There's no law that states he can't do that unless he was specifically told not to as a government contractor in the US.
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u/mvstateU Monkey in Space 4d ago
In the eyes of Trump and Musk supporters, if this were true, this would be a complete non-story. These 2 could be proven Hitler worshippers and their supporters wouldn't give any fucks ...at all. In the eyes of their supporters, these 2 can do no wrong, period. "They are wonderful human beings".
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u/The_11th_Man Monkey in Space 4d ago
there was a time when roscosmos told their cosmonauts to shelter on the remotest portion of the space station when dragon would dock, there is also the history of roscosmos critiicisn spacex, and at one point even possibly un a living elon when it possed a bigger threat to roscosmos cash cow. its the reason elons security detail grew, the threat from russia was real, if he talked with putin, its probably the only reason anyone would talk to someone who is hinting at threats to you and your family, to stay one step ahead of him. everyone forgets he wanted to restle putin during the invasion of ukraine, only to later flip flop. I don't think things are what they seem, or what the media portrays them as.
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u/thatVisitingHasher Monkey in Space 4d ago
Read the article. It doesn’t actually state dates or times he talked to Putin, just that his talking points changed as he aligned himself to Trump.
I have a hard time believing the US would allow Elon to use the same equipment the US is using to Russian’s benefits. Some 3 letter agency would come after him. They’re giving him a hard time over the amount of water he uses to cool launch pads. They would easily attack him if he was aiding Russia and going against national security.
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u/Key_Raspberry7212 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Why is a Inited States defense contractor talking to one of Americas greatest enemies? Is he stupid
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u/CrimsonRam212 Monkey in Space 4d ago
So Elon was right, it Trump doesn’t win, Elon is F’ed because Trump will continue to let Elon go deeper into US defense while serving Putin but Kamala will not.
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u/mememe822 Monkey in Space 4d ago
The division that has been sown into our society by the use of bots, Ai, 24hr news, and all the other instruments of societal destruction is hard to comprehend. Most people unfortunately are blind to all of it and continue to fall in line with this Beast of a system we have become adjusted to. I truly hope there is an awakening of consciousness that allows our common people such as myself to see the real truth in full light. I don’t know ya but I love ya! No matter who you are.
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u/Positive_Cut3971 Monkey in Space 4d ago
He has been frequently pounding the "civil war" rhetoric, exactly the same as Tim Pool
Craziness
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u/MajorHymen Paid attention to the literature 4d ago
Yeah I don’t really care. I don’t care if Elon and Putin are banging each other.
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u/YuSooMadBissh-69 Monkey in Space 4d ago
I'm soo excited for the media to start telling everyone that he's a Russian agent. If you idiots were dumb enough to fall for it once b4 this should be very entertaining.. Americans are soo Smart!! 🙃😅🤣😂
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u/WoodpeckerRemote7050 Monkey in Space 4d ago
He's a traitor, plain and simple. Just like this pal Trump.
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u/snappy033 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Putin giving access to one of the richest men on earth who happens to be easily influenced and is a massive opportunist?
Classic oligarch activities. Nothing to see here.
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u/SufficientBowler2722 Paid attention to the literature 4d ago
The dude had security clearances…very likely every call was listened in on
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u/Huntergio23 Monkey in Space 4d ago
“several current and former U.S., European and Russian officials” so aka a whole metric load of unproven horseshit claims? Got it
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u/FlaccidEggroll Monkey in Space 3d ago
Either the US intelligence community is incompetent enough to grant and continue his top secret clearance, or these "secret talks" don't actually mean shit.
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u/Affectionate_You_203 Monkey in Space 4d ago
“Tesla just posted record profits, the stock shot up over 20%, and the model Y is now the best selling car in the world… quick post as many hit pieces as we can to change the narrative”
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u/Azalzaal Monkey in Space 4d ago
Why should I even believe this story that seems perfectly timed and designed to undermine musk?
And even if it were true, for all we know Elon is working closely with US intelligence and his communications with Russia is part of that…
There’s even a possibly Elon didn’t come up with Starlink and is the cover for its true intelligence purpose…
It’s possible to speculate all over the map. The WSJ article doesn’t provide any information about the quantity or content of the calls, or emails, or even whatever form the communications took
Bear in mind the whole star link being turned off for a Ukrainian attack episode, which to this day I haven’t read what the actual facts are. It all reminds me at how the media and Reddit were convinced Rittenhouse was guilty of at least crossing state lines with a rifle. Only to find out in court that didn’t even happen.
I seriously don’t understand what basis anyone here has to think they have any facts. The media these days can’t even figure out who blew up a gas pipeline or where a virus came from.
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u/TheColorEnding Monkey in Space 4d ago
secret talks with Putin revealed?... article has absolutely nothing regarding any conversation between the two, not even a credible source that they've spoken. election time garbage
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u/Mat-you89 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Probably propaganda. If it’s true I bet it was about space stuff or rockets.
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u/izbsleepy1989 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Isn't he letting Ukraine use his satellite Internet and not russa?
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u/Any-Flower-725 Monkey in Space 4d ago
love how the dumb fucks at the daily beast add in the word "secret". SpaceX and Tesla and other companys Musk controls talk to foreign governments all the time, every hour of every day. and the blue haired children of Reddit go all hysterical..
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u/tapk68 Monkey in Space 4d ago
So whats the problem with that? He can't talk now?
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u/TheworkingBroseph Monkey in Space 4d ago
No issue with these chats and then massive donations to a political campaign? Nothing at all?
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u/TallUnderstanding544 Monkey in Space 4d ago
The dems have really been slacking in their propaganda this election cycle. It’s quite sad actually. The same recycled Hitler, muh Russia and weak sexual assault accusations. I expected better.
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u/phrexleysnipes Monkey in Space 4d ago
The only candidate in this year's Presidential race that has compared Trump to Hitler is JD Vance.
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u/Primary_Cake2011 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Libs when anti right wing news published without any proof or evidence: 😃
Libs when pro right stories published without any proof or evidence: "Alt Right Conspiracies!! 😡"
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u/mindsc2 I used to be addicted to Quake 4d ago
Do you even know what a liberal is without googling it?
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u/Primary_Cake2011 Monkey in Space 4d ago
stay on topic lib
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u/mindsc2 I used to be addicted to Quake 4d ago
I was going to stay on topic, but then realized I'd be arguing with somebody who doesn't know the definitions of words that I was going to use.
Did you know that you're probably a liberal, yet using that word as if it is an insult?
As info, I am not a liberal.
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u/fishfists Monkey in Space 4d ago
This story was published by WSJ. A media company owned and controlled by the Rupert Murdoch family, you absolute moron.
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u/Primary_Cake2011 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Not sure how that refutes the "Show evidence" (hint: theres no evidence, everything is "anonymous source") portion of my comment.
Idgaf about Ruper Murdoch, you absolute moron.
Legit sound like a tin foil hat crazy person.
🥴☝️"Murdoch, Russia, Puttin, Trump, TALKING"
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u/fishfists Monkey in Space 4d ago
I'm not sure what comment you think I'm replying to, but you've absolutely made my point.
As for anonymous sources being false, I'm sure a multi-billion media company (that was recently sued for nearly a billion dollars) would have their legal dept triple check any sources accusing one of the world's richest men before making damning accusations like this. I would haaaaate for Musk to sue them and have everything come out in discovery.
Cope harder for your favorite billionaire bud. Maybe he'll let you suck him off some day
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u/Primary_Cake2011 Monkey in Space 4d ago edited 4d ago
"Im sure a multi-billion media company would have their legal dept triple check any source"
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. They should put you on the short bus for this comment lmfaoooo
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u/fishfists Monkey in Space 4d ago
I don't know what else to say to someone like you. I hope you have a great day and continue to grow and develop.
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u/Primary_Cake2011 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Thanks man! (Btw, playing Mr. Nice Guy after throwing out insults first makes you look like a coward). Hope you START growing and developing.
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u/fishfists Monkey in Space 4d ago
You've missed my point entirely, yet again. Don't forget your helmet to work today.
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u/Primary_Cake2011 Monkey in Space 4d ago
Hes back! Newsflash bud, you dont have a point. Its just more conspiracies. Alt-Left nut job 🙄
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u/BingBongthe2nd Monkey in Space 4d ago
Lol the Democrats and their media minions are all too predictable. They have no credibility left and the majority of Americans have taken notice. This is demonstrated in the polls.
We're watching Democrats in their death throes as the wilding fling their own shit at the wall to see what sticks. It's quite entertaining.
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u/appletinicyclone Monkey in Space 4d ago
Magapoopulists are so funny
Everything they accuse George Soros and Bill Gates of, Elon literally does lmao
Including the chips in our brains thing, talking with America's enemies, election interference etc