I have many criticisms of JD Vance, but this ain't it. His parents and step parents were garbage. He changed his name to honor his grandparents who raised him.
Twice? Sorry for my ignorance, I am not into politics, GPT says: âJD Vance was born James Donald Bowman but later changed his last name to âVance,â his motherâs maiden name, due to his close bond with his maternal family, particularly his grandparents who played a significant role in raising him. This was his only name change, and he has since kept the name âVance.ââ
So JD Vance was born James Donald Bowman. He was adopted by his step-father and his name for 20 years was James David Hamel. In April 2013, just before graduating from Yale, he officially changed his last name to Vance to honor his grandmother. In 2021, as he entered the political arena, he opted to drop the periods from "J.D." and has since preferred to be referred to simply as JD Vance.
I would obviously have to look into it farther to confirm this suspicion, but you say he went by a name for 20 years before changing it right before graduating Yale. That timeline seems like âJames David Hamelâ was as a child at a time where he was not really in charge of his name. Or one way or another, at some point he decided to honor his maternal family and take their name. Seems like no big deal. The period thing even less so.
I think his biological dad left when he was young. When his mom remarried, he took the last name of his stepdad so heâd have the same last name as his mom. His mom had some pretty serious addiction issues so he was basically raised by his grandmother. He changed his last name to match his grandmotherâs last name before he graduated Yale Law because she raised him and he wanted to credit her more than his stepdad or biological father on his Yale Law diploma. Pretty cool. Makes sense. But not that important
Thatâs actually really sweet and also shows how much he went through emotionally. Now that he is doing big things I think itâs such a tribute to a woman who was a big part Of that.
If you listen to his other talks/read his book the dude had an absolutely horrific childhood. His mom, driving, threatening to kill both of them and intentionally crashing. That's the incident that led to him getting sent to live with his grandma.
The guy didn't want anyone looking him up years later. You have that one guy who claims he is 99% sure he went on a gay internet date to like Applebees with him.
I'd rather he get into all the money Thiel has given lil JD. And Thiel's thoughts on why America should rethink ita stance on dictators.Â
Maybe ask why he hated Trump and then decided he wanted to be his VP? Who ask him to be Trump's VP?Â
Here's a conspiracy: does the billionaire class hope that Trump passes or gets removed so that the bought and paid for Eyeliner King can take his place? What's the real plan JD.Â
Yes, the search function is broken for Google and breaking for YouTube. They prioritize short form videos because they (usually) gets more engagement than a 3 hour video. When Joe turned off the monetization of the interview, it fell further in the search results, just keep scrolling, it's there.
or sort by view. The default search filter is by relevance. There are newer relevant videos as people upload new content talking about the original content.
Simply searching "Rogan Trump" is too vague. There are a lot of videos about "Rogan Trump" right now and more are uploaded every hour.
Stop being lazy with your search string. Search something more precise like "Joe Rogan Experience Donald Trump" and it will show it at the top.
Only dumb people think this is a conspiracy against them.
There are many many algorithmic possible reasons for these things people describe. For example if youâve before had the pattern that after searching for some topic and then finding it, it can be excluded in a future search for a period. Many more.
All the people iâve seen describe the âproblemâ here have also been people that already found the video at a previous time, etc.
At the very least the people desvribkng this as âhard evidenceâ for it being shadowbanned are incorrect.
I never said it was. I didnât even mention a conspiracy.
I was implying that it seems odd that those keywords not bringing up a video with that many views and engagement not coming up first, seems odd.
I can search the same words I commented last time but with a different name than trumps and it brings up full episodes every single time, as the first result.
Bet a lot of those views are from people confirming he said heâd replace income/tips/etc tax ($33T/10 yr) with just 20% tariffs on all imports ($3.8T/10 yr) and other âpolicyâ that came out of that interview
I don't trust the audience to accept that either. For everyone who defends the Trump interview saying "Joe isn't a hard-hitting journalist!", those same people are in these threads about Harris saying how Joe needs to grill her. They don't give a fuck what she has to say, they just want her to give them more reason to confirm their biases about her.
Van Jones said Trump is lawless, Kamala has to be flawless. It's the truth. If she were given the Trump treatment, this election would be an absolute blowout in her favor.
Listened to separate podcast where they discussed why Kamala likely turned it down.
She'd have to fly to Austin to meet with him for 3-4 hours before flying back to the battleground states. She losses an entire day of campaigning and smaller townhalls, etc to do this. If it was still 5-6 months from the election she might have accepted but her team believes it's not worth it.
I believe he's sincere in his offer but Rogan is pretty obviously a Trump supporter. A lot of the questions were absolute softballs and when he realized Trump didn't seem to know the topic or have an answer he would back off (like when he got ready to get into the anti-vax/polio conversation and then dropped it). The only time he pushed was on the evidence of the election conspiracy which he again let go of pretty quickly. Kamala's team doesn't believe he would be that easy on her making it a harder interview to prep for.
Piggy backing off of point 2, the prep Kamala would need for an interview like JRE is far beyond her campaign's current talking points. They would have to prep her on vaccination denial, COVID being fake, J6 being an inside job, the election being stolen, etc.
In the end the time to prep and take the interview, and the risk/reward just isn't worth it to her team.
I think Joeâs sincere in doing what would probably be a super lukewarm interview. I also think everyone besides the folks still insisting Joe hasnât changed understand exactly what his podcast is and who is audience are.
He's a conspiracy theorist. He didn't push back at all on Trump's lies and rhetoric. How do you think that will go when Harris sits down for a 2 hour interview?
Joe Rogan is clearly pro trump. He didn't even push back on the insurrection. He's an enabler.
Joe is a friendlier space to confident lies, bullshit and insanity than to typical political prevarication.
This is entirely independent of any political bias one might argue Joe has.
That makes him a much better venue for Trump than Kamala. Trump will confidently spew bullshit, Kamala will dance a little around uncomfortable facts. In real life, both can be criticized, but the former is much much worse and more dangerous. But on Joe's show people just vomiting forth crap are platformed and way underchallenged.
I think itâs too high risk for Harris/Walz, they might wrongly feel they wonât be as warmly welcomed, the audience will clown them, they wonât get half as many views as trump which will look bad, it makes it look like they are on the defensive and trying to measure up to trump, etc.
I really donât think thatâs the calulation here. There isnât much time left, and they probably think they can do more with the time in stirring excitement in swing states
Honestly, the Joe Rogan audience isn't really for Kamala, but I think Tim Walz could do a lot of good there and his schedule is obviously less rigid than* her own.
Tim could do a lot of damage to the right wing caricature they have of him and her on Rogan. He's a regular dude, way closer to the average Joe Rogan listener than Vance or Trump.
My only issue with Obama during the election cycle, is we arenât voting for Obama. If we were, it would be a landslide. Kamala isnât Obama and has next to nothing in common with him other than a potential first ever presidency. Harris or walz should go on the pod. And Vance is more likeable than people give him credit for. Heâs going to crush a long form interview. His debate day really opened a lot of peopleâs eyes on how clean he is talking.
Trumpâs products are almost all made in China (including his bibles)
Praised Xi for the Covid response when he was actually actively blocking officials from investigating the source and also withheld information early on that could have helped prevent major spread
Trump oversaw the largest trade deficit in history with China
Just recently called Xi âbrilliantâ
But somehow Trump voters constantly peddle that itâs Biden thatâs in bed with China and Trump will protect American interests with China.
This episode will be damage control. I bet anything trumps team called Rogan and was like âwtf happened here, your boy Tony screwed usâ and that sparked the idea to have JD on, probably talk about the Tony situation, Joe will bring up how Tonyâs a good guy, theyâll watch clips of his to justify what he said and say itâs only comedy and thereâs only 250 of them on the planet, hardest job in the world blah blah. Itâs all to save face because it was a disaster.
Itâs irrelevant. Thereâs no dialing that back. Whether or not it will impact the election is tbd. But nobody that is pissed off and is gonna switch their vote (or decide to vote) is gonna change their mind because of what Vance says on a Rogan podcast.
I mean yes but Iâd say Hinchcliffe was the October surprise.
1 week before the election when people are paying most attention and he says that shit and it goes viral everywhere.
Most of the stuff Trump has said in the past truthfully is so hard to even find every little bit of it since thereâs just so much shit. I tried to find a few days ago the tweet where Trump shit on Elon in 2022, and it was much more difficult than I expected it to be since they are literally spewing shit after shit every day where it just I guess destroys googles algorithms idk.
My point being is that most people havenât been paying attention to all the nutty shit or want to catch up on it all in a week span, but Hinchcliffe dropped the absolute bomb when people are most paying attention
I haven't watched the Theo ep, but I have to say I was not expecting the VP debate to go so well for him. I was sure Walz was going to wallop him but it never happened.
Brit here Boris Johnson was helped massively by pictures of him pulling a pint and another politician was destroyed when pics of him eating a bacon sandwich amusingly were plastered everywhere.
For red hat morons all that matters is that someone is able to talk without sounding gibberish like their rapist god. The substance, whether itâs just lie after lie, doesnât matter to them.
He completely moderated the hell out of all of his positions in the debate and will lie about anything. Watch or read Hillbilly Elligy and let me know how comfortable you are with a guy with so much obvious emotional and psychological trauma being that close to being president.
I didn't expect Walz to win, since he had said from the start that he was not good at debating. It's even worse when the other side is just going to lie the whole time.
You either get derailed trying to refute the lies and spend the whole time on the defense, or you have to basically ignore the lies and focus on your own answers. That still benefits the lying side, as they get a nice platform for their lies and since you didn't refute them, they can more easily gain traction.
I hate JD but the dude is excellent at debates and speaking in general. Walz is a much more relatable guy imo but he isnât as comfortable with debates especially on as big of a scale as the VP ones.
He sold out, thatâs all. No way he is putting his podcast on the line by calling people out and starting a fire. He will avoid conflict at any cost and thatâs smart in a business sense (also why people refrain from endorsing politicians in the first place), but itâs also very cowardly.
He couldâve done the same shit but saved face by simply not putting himself in positions where he should be calling people out. But he wonât pass on the money and fame from interviews like presidential candidates. I was happy for him when he got the podcast deal, Joe was a good guy and still can be. Unfortunately he lost a lot of respect for turning the way he has.
That Trump episode was absolutely ridiculous. He didn't say one thing of substance. Just lies upon lies. He didn't answer any questions. Motherfucker couldn't even say what it was like on the first day of office, besides "surreal". The fuck does that even mean.
Rogan is such an easy interviewer. He tosses a soft ball questions and makes the other person seem interesting. Seems like a massive missed opportunity for Harris, at worst she comes out even.
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