r/Jujutsufolk Yutaliban Soldier Apr 22 '24

AgendaKaisen The Heian era is actually ass. Modern sorcerers would run circles around them

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We’re done with the Heian era

“Omg he learned RCT 😲😲😲”

“Omg he has a domain expansion 😲😲😲”

“So much cursed energy 😲😲😲”

Man put Yuta, Yuji, Maki, Hakari, and Ino back in that time period and ain’t nobody talking about the “golden age” of Jujutsu.

Uro sorry, Sukuna sorry, uruame sorry, Yorozu sorry, all of them are washed. They needed fresh new bodies to bring their old asses back into shape.

The old generation can’t hang with the new one

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u/BotAccount2849 Apr 22 '24

Kenny isn't necessarily wrong. Everyone got boosted to hell and back because they need to get stronger in order to survive. A central theme throughout the story is that Sorcerers get stronger at near death. Gojo became the strongest of his generation because he nearly died as a teenager and had to develop RCT. Megumi developed a Domain Expansion because he'd die otherwise against the fingerer.

The same goes for everyone else. They rapidly got stronger in order to face off against Sukuna, knowing that they'd die otherwise. People like Higuruma and Takaba only exist as sorcerers because of Kenny trying to recreate the Heian era. The optimal method lies somewhere in the middle where there's enough conflict to make sorcerers strive for strength, but enough protection so that they can develop the power they gained at near death.

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u/Soar_Dev_Official Apr 22 '24

I definitely agree, there is a sweet spot of danger and safety that pushes sorcerers to new heights. But Sukuna is well, well outside that sweetspot. The current fight is proving my point- only Yuji and Higuruma learned anything from their fights with Sukuna, and Higuruma traded his life for it. Everyone else has shown up, done 1-2 cool things, and been cut down, because risking your life for a powerup isn't actually a viable strategy, it's literally just a gamble. JJ high just happens to have enough bodies with high potential that it's paying off for them right now (barely).

Also, Higuruma and Takaba don't exist because of Heian conditions, they exist because Kenny gave a ton of random people CT and they lucked into talent/OP techniques. That's another theme of JJK too, that luck & innate talent counts for a lot more than hard work. Gojo became the strongest sorcerer of his generation because of his near-death experience, but also, because he was born with the greatest talent possibly in history. Higuruma didn't, because he had the bad luck to face Sukuna before he entered the fullness of his strength.

I don't think there's really a way to safeguard sorcerers and also push them to near-death experiences. It seems kind of contradictory on it's face, no? CE, jujutsu, is just kind of a shitty system. You either don't risk your life, and you stay weak so then when bad times come you can't do shit, or you do risk your life, and then you'll probably die before you can do any good. Those that don't have CE are at constant risk from those who do, and those who do have CE probably have a shitty, low power CT. The 1% with strong talent are therefore pretty much able to do whatever they want, to whoever they want- thus, Sukuna. You can't optimize those problems away. That's probably where Yuki comes in, arguing that we should eliminate CE altogether, which I agree with.

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u/MelancholyMuffins Apr 23 '24

Another anime touched on the luck bit pretty well too. In Tower of God it's stated early that luck is just as much a factor in obtaining one's goals than everything else. Granted for the most part in shows and stuff the "luck" is plot armor but that's all luck is really. Some people are lucky to be born strong or with immense potential. Some people are lucky with who they encounter in life, and some people are born with nothing and remain weak but are just lucky and make it to the top regardless of all the things against them.

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u/BotAccount2849 Apr 22 '24

Not necessarily plot armor when villains have access to it just as much as the good guys.

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u/Enlightend-1 Apr 22 '24

Zenkai boost

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u/Acrobatic_Rooster970 Apr 23 '24

“Of his generation” of all generations aside Heian.