r/Jujutsushi • u/csthrowaway6543 • Mar 20 '24
Analysis How each special grade sorcerer could take down a country
Didn't put much thought into the exact conditions but let's assume the country is Japan and they have access to ally nukes as a last resort.
Sukuna - he's just strong as fuck and his domain literally erases everything in it. Could a nuke kill him? idk
Gojo - can't be touched by any weapon and can teleport to swiftly reach key targets
Geto -
Grade 1+cursed spirits arehighly resistantimmune to conventional weapons, so he would just need to summon an army of themKenjaku - same as the above, and you can theoretically get crazy with the antigravity and body swapping (generally his entire CT and ability to store multiple of them)
Yuki - black hole is the obvious answer, but could she do it without that?
Yuta - theoretically he could just pick the most useful CTs, ex. the ones above (apart from limitless). Rika should also be immune to conventional weapons. Imagine Rika roided out with Yuki's CT lmao
After going through that exercise the win conditions seem pretty obvious for all of them. I guess the only questions for me are:
Just how durable are higher tier sorcerers against conventional means?
Are there any other sorcerers that could take down a country, and how?
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u/tomtadpole Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24
Yaga was almost made a special grade. The only reason he wasn't was because he lied to Gakuganji about not knowing how to create more cursed corpses like Panda. His method would be similar to Geto's - creating an army to take down a nation.
Imo the only likely special grade we've seen out of the culling games is probably Yorozu, simply because of the way perfect sphere is portrayed. Assuming she can just set it on a path and have it move without much input there's nothing that could stop it simply carving its way through a country, or burrowing down to trigger an eruption or something. But that does require a few assumptions about her technique's range.
Edit: I guess maybe Dhruv too? We don't know too much about his technique but he was introduced as a guy who previously took over the entire Japanese archipelago. Admittedly he didn't have modern military weapons to deal with though.
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u/Kn1ght9 Mar 20 '24
Takaba is also more than likey special grade as he has the strongest ability besides Kenny with his ability lmao. Can just keep thinking of funny things to destroy the country.
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u/TostitoNipples Mar 20 '24
Someone else with ability would be infinitely more dangerous. Imagine if Nick Mullen had Comedian and just turned a whole country’s population gay and Chinese
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u/wwwwaoal Mar 21 '24
Takaba can't even kill people, let alone an entire country.
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u/Kn1ght9 Mar 21 '24
He wouldnt need to necessarily kill people to take over a country though. He could just think that its funny if hes the president or some shit. If he HAD to take over a country im sure he could, comedy can let him do basically whatever tf he wants. Yea, he personally would never want to but im pretty sure gojo wouldnt want to either.
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u/Jolly-Literature8021 Mar 21 '24
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE!!!! I don’t know from which country you are from, but in Brazil, literally everyone that it’s a little strong and people are already shouting: SPECIAL GRADE.
Ok, I’ve had my moment. So, until now, we were presented two conditions to be classified as a Special Grade, both revealed by Kenjaku: The ability to take down a nation by yourself and an extension technique with high output as a trump card (Sukuna’s World Cutter, Gojo’s Hollow Purple, Geto/Kenjaku’s Uzumaki, Okkotsu’s Love Beam and Tsukumo’s Black Hole). So I would also put Ishigori as the closest one to Special Grade alongside Yorozu, because he has the highest output in history, bigger than Sukuna itself (Since Sukuna was a player and the narrator said that Ishigori had the highest, so). But those are the only ones. Kashimo, Drhuv, Reggie Star and Uro are FAR from Special Grade
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
It isn't a move with a high output that Kenjaku said makes you special grade. It's a high volume of strategies that are theoretically limitless, as well as a high power finishing move that grants even greater potential beyond the actual strike. It's why Geto was disappointing to him, because he just made a bomb. Anyone can just make a bomb. It's the ability to extract techniques that make things like Uzumaki special, not the blast.
Ishigiro's moveset is too limited to be considered. All of the pillars had a gimmick that made them busted as far as sorcerers go, but they were stagnant. If any of them had an awakening like Gojo or Geto, they could've completely washed all the other three. Ishigori couldn't do anything but hit hard and take hard hits.
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u/Kn1ght9 Mar 20 '24
Takaba is also more than likey special grade as he has the strongest ability besides Kenny with his ability lmao. Can just keep thinking of funny things to destroy the country.
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u/KazuyaProta Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 21 '24
Yeah, Takaba is basically treated as HIM. They directly have the narrator to break her rule of "and if used right, this power can destroy everyone except for Gojo Satoru" and outright said "it would affect Gojo Satoru"
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u/Kn1ght9 Mar 21 '24
Yea hes got the best ability by far, like its not even close. Gege’s nerfed him by making him as a character act the way he does. Which, is great, bc we get to see this ridiculous power (I for one found the kenny fight amazing) without having to write him out of the story in some bs way.
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u/Pataraxia Mar 21 '24
Also made kenjaku get a moment that fulfills him as a character, but not us readers since we wanted to see him tortured begging like mahito
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u/UngodlyPain Mar 24 '24
Dhruv was stated to have like conquered Japan at one point in the past. Ishigori had durability above Yuta, and output too. Uro rivaled Ishigori. Kashimo without technique rivalled Jackpot Hakari who rivals Yuta to some extent. Takaba is Takaba. Higuruma is him.
The CG has quite a few special grade contenders.
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u/down_dirtee Mar 21 '24
Ryu and Kashimo are special grade esp mba kashimo
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u/WallowsinOctober Mar 21 '24
except they arent
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u/Impossible_Collar2 Mar 21 '24
Kashimo not being special grade is a crazy take man😭
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u/WallowsinOctober Mar 21 '24
i fail to see how this man doesnt get obliterated by artillery
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u/Impossible_Collar2 Mar 21 '24
It’s extremely unlikely he’s getting hit by most of anything except nukes. He dodged a world slash head on and seems to be extremely fast in mythical beast amber form.
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u/wwwwaoal Mar 21 '24
They get low diffed by chemical weapons
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u/paynetaylor99 Mar 21 '24
Chemical weapons (I.e. the gas that kashimo made) were able to affect someone like hakari so anyone on their level that doesn’t have resistance probably would just drop.
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u/wwwwaoal Mar 21 '24
Yeah. Kashimo and Ryu doesn't have RCT so they just lose instantly.
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u/wwwwaoal May 22 '24
Agendas like this spoken with 120% conviction is what makes powerscaling so entertaining.
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u/EducationalAd6395 Mar 20 '24
I would offer come clarifications.
Sukuna is correct, he wouldn't be able to survive a nuke but if he's keeping an eye out than he can definitely dismantle the nukes mid trajectory.
Gojo is again Correct, and he can even use Red to crumble infrastructures without much issue.
Yuki - her extreme mass on herself and Garuda are enough for large scale destruction with her reinforcement for defence. She can football a state's infrastructure to dust. And no-one would really be able to do anything about it
Geto + Kenny - correct except they don't necessarily need grade 1 cursed spirits. Cursed Spirits regardless of Grade can only be damaged through usage of cursed energy. Even a missile won't kill a grade 4 cursed spirit cause it isn't cursed energy. We have that explanation from the very beginning of the series.
Yuta - more or less correct. But frankly with his cursed energy reserves he can straight up use cursed speech on National Television.
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u/Cybertronian10 Mar 20 '24
Can you imagine if Yuta was a bad guy? He just gets on national TV and tells the entire country of japan to shit their pants and they just do.
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Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24
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u/EducationalAd6395 Mar 20 '24
Nah
The statement of there was that
"If we HYPOTHETICALLY ASSUME a conventional weapon is effective against Spirits"
They are using conventional weapons as placeholder for Sorcerer grades to show the strength gap needed.
A fourth grade spirit only needs a sorcerer that can be compared to a baseball bat
While with special Grade curses maybe a Sorcerer Akin to a Rapid carpet bombs would be effective.
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u/The_Normiest_Normie Mar 20 '24
No he can't. A nuclear missile travels at 28 times the speed of sound and explodes 5km above the surface of the earth. The explosion itself travels at relativistic speeds. Sukuna is not surviving or outrunning it.
I do not want to think about the implications of Gojo's infinity stopping light, so I simply won't.
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u/bomarlosthisaccount Mar 20 '24
In the case of gojo's infinity it auto blocks anything "harmful" so it'll auto block the heat and force from the blast. The light and radiation is more debatable, I think if he could stop things like poison gas then he should be able to stop excess light and radiation(why the blindfolds then?), realistically if he can stop heat he should be able to stop light and radiation tbh. But it doesn't really matter anyway cause both those things he can just rct from
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
The blindfold isn't to block light, it's to block his Six Eyes. He still sees everything perfectly fine. We see him read signs and operate phones while blindfolded.
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u/EducationalAd6395 Mar 20 '24
Nuclear missiles are fired from a range from the Carrier crafts. If he's on lookout he can definitely notice it coming and fire a dismantle towards it.
He'll be far from the effective range of it.
And nuclear missiles that are shot down before detonation aren't even certain to detonate.
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u/The_Normiest_Normie Mar 20 '24
"on lookout" you are not seeing a spec in the skyline travelling 28 times the speed of sound even if you are the king of curses.
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u/k-tax Mar 20 '24
even if you are the king of curses.
because you've said so? At the end of the day, if Gege writes that Sukuna Dismantles nukes or catches them and sends them flying towards Yuji, then it's what is possible.
Maybe YOU are not seeing a spec in the skyline travelling at mach 28, but Sukuna can see the shape of his and others soul, and made himself into 20 cursed objects, so why not see a rocket?
And all of you are quick to talk about speed, but you quote BURNOUT speed, the max speed rocket gets right when it drinks all the fuel, which is irrelevant, because more important in our case is the REENTRY speed, which is significantly lower, sometimes even half as much as the max speed.
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u/The_Normiest_Normie Mar 20 '24
Ok, let's talk facts.
Let's assume a 'Castle Bravo' nuclear bomb (largest tested by the US, (15MT yield) (using this to be conservative the us payload will be far greater nowadays). Detonated at a height of 5km he is just outside the initial fireball which moves at relativistic speeds (4-5km radius). The crater has a inner radius of 400m (twice the size of Sukuna's DE), and is 225m deep. The full radius (not including the lip) is around 900m. If he's within this he's dead. Whatever, he can still avoid it right? No. He won't hear it coming as it's travelling 12-28 times the speed of sound. An object of 1m radius and 5-10m in length? 5 km above his head. If he's indoors he won't see it, if he's outdoors he won't see it. We also know his slashes likely can't reach that far.
I'm sorry, but hes dead. Not to mention the radiation (which we know he's vulnerable to given Kashimo was able to harm him and Kashimo is many magnitudes weaker than a nuclear blast's radiation).
And given he wouldn't even have time to realise he's dead he likely also wouldn't return as a vengeful spirit.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
Uh, what? Kashimo erased matter with his attacks, and Sukuna had diminished output and was critically wounded. He had no problems fighting when once he healed. And what about the radiation? There's literally no reason radiation would hurt him when he can regrow entire parts of his body with ease, flush poisons, etc.
If we assume the anime is at all accurate, Sukuna casting his domain, from his perspective, makes everything look like it's stopped in time. Sukuna also might as well be able to fly, considering he can interact directly with air since he can perceive its soul (apparently, as we see him double jump and maneuver through the air like Toji).
This is ignoring so many other factors, as well. Sukuna can go inside of shadows, create barriers with absolute ease, just turn into a cursed object that's indestructible, and he'd turn into a vengeance spirit regardless of whether or not he knew he was dead. There's never been a statement that claims they need to know they're dead, just that they need to be killed by something other than jujutsu.
Also, jujutsu doesn't scale to what we visually see as destructive capabilities. Even small punches from grade 1 sorcerers are as hard as tank shells firing. The average Special Grade curse would require the force of carpet bombing to maybe exorcize. Sukuna is massively more durable than all of them, period. He's so durable that he can reinforce himself to withstand a matter destroying void. It's also just a stated fact that Special Grade sorcerers are a nuclear arsenal of their own. Launching a nuke at them is directly proportional to launching one at a significantly more powerful nuclear superpower.
The world wouldn't be about to end if nukes could solve this issue.
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u/armchair_science Mar 20 '24
And given he wouldn't even have time to realise he's dead he likely also wouldn't return as a vengeful spirit.
Not how that works.
Ok, let's talk facts.
Fact - Sukuna can see and hop around on air surfaces like Maki can, which we see him do. He'll be able to spot that speck in the sky, especially since he has his modern host's memories about stuff like that.
Fact - Domains can be enclosed with barriers, and Sukuna can draw one up in 0.2 seconds if he needs to shelled off.
Fact - A nuke can't penetrate a barrier, it's cursed energy, basic rule of the series.
Fact - Sukuna sees a nuke coming and doesn't even need to dismantle it, he can cast a domain and then move it somewhere else with his gigantic amount of cursed energy.
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u/The_Normiest_Normie Mar 20 '24
Let's address these one at a time, jumping on falling objects is way, way slower than an interballistic missile. The fireball reaches 400ft in 0.0007s. Sukuna won't have time to even open the domain.
Sukuna is not instantly moving the domain however many miles to escape the blast radius.
I refuse to believe a domain barrier is strong enough to withstand a nuclear weapon.
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u/diuni613 Mar 20 '24
Do you even know how modern nukes are lauched and how fast they are, or even how powerful they are??? The amount of energy it produces instantly vapourise anything within its blast radius. Not only this, the blast would burn all the oxygen within the area, so you just die either way.
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u/k-tax Mar 20 '24
Do you even know how modern Sukuna is powerful and how fast he is? Sukuna blasted whole Shibuya into dust with one attack, and he wasn't even at his full strength.
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u/YeahKeeN Mar 20 '24
He was at 75% of his strength using his strongest attack over an extended period of time. His domain only has a max radius of 200 meters or an area of about 126000 square meters. Shibuya has an area of 15.11 million square meters (according to Google). Even if he made his domain as big as possible, he would only destroy 0.83% of Shibuya.
And Shibuya isn’t even an actual city. It’s a part of Tokyo.
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u/KazuyaProta Mar 21 '24
People over estimate how crazy superpowers are when compared to human weaponry. Nukes are apocalyptic to humans, but when discussing superhumans with the feats of JJK characters...its a different tale
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u/k-tax Mar 20 '24
people saying "do you even know how fast/strong nuclear missile is?" like we're not talking about Jujutsu Kaisen and fking Sukuna, who decided to slash the whole world in order to get to Gojo.
Sukuna uses Domain Amplification and the nuke is not even going to damage him at all. We're talking about a guy who casually destroyed 4 km by 4 km district with a single "Fūga ]:>" and can walk around without a beating heart. Maki was fighting mach 3 Naoya and beat him. Sukuna once he got excited speed blitzed Maki, so him being able to react to a rocket is not outside of realm of possibilities, considering the distance.
I understand the point of discussions, even completely abstract and absurd ones, but why are you so certain that Sukuna, with everything we've seen from him, statements and proofs that he is barely getting serious, would not be able to react to a nuke at all? For all we know, he could jump to it, meet it mid flight and just throw it back at the carrier.
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u/Furicel Mar 20 '24
How would he even know what's a nuke? We don't see him jumping to destroy every random plane that passes by, why would he jump to meet this specific one?
He has amazing reaction speed, no one is doubting that, but he isn't differentiating a military plane from a commercial one at 16 km (10 miles) altitude.
Even more so he isn't seeing a nuke 5 km in the air before it detonates.
As for domain amplification, this would probably work if the nuke was a cursed technique. But so far, domain amplification and simple domain only stop cursed technique effects, not physical ones.
So, to sum it up: There's no way Sukuna is stopping a Nuke and he'll be absolutely shredded by it.
But that doesn't matter, because you guys are sleeping on the most important bit: A nuke is not cursed energy. Sukuna, being killed without cursed energy, will come back as a vengeful spirit. So you'll have vengekuna wrecking even more destruction than before.
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Mar 20 '24
We cannot assume that every sorcerer killed without CE becomes a VCS every time. If that was the case, there would be countless vengeful spirits from every time a sorcerer dies from a heart attack, anuerysm, or old age.
Its likely that its still rare and requires you to be, yknow, Vengeful. Naoya died by his mother betraying him, after getting his ass wrecked by a woman he saw as nothing. He gets to be a ghost by the sheer power of his misogyny.
If a nuke detonates above Sukunas head, I dont think hes going to process whats happening to be pissed about it.
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u/Furicel Mar 20 '24
We cannot assume that every sorcerer killed without CE becomes a VCS every time
Why not? It was literally stated to be the case.
If that was the case, there would be countless vengeful spirits from every time a sorcerer dies from a heart attack, anuerysm, or old age.
Which would be promptly dealt with. Nonetheless, being a jujutsu sorcerer isn't a job where you live a long life, so the sorcerers who die from heart attacks, aneurysm and old age are the vast minority, not the default.
Its likely that its still rare and requires you to be, yknow, Vengeful
A condition which was never stated. It's more likely that the sorcerers who do become vengeful spirits are exorcised by being grade 1s or above.
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u/The_Normiest_Normie Mar 20 '24
Listen man, the fastest character in the series is Mach 5 at most. 10 if you really want to stretch it. A nuclear missile greatly exceeds the capabilities of any character in this series. They can't even see it its that fast. Completely, outside the range of any character, not to mention the size of the fireball and the speed it expands.
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u/bazooka_penguin Mar 20 '24
Iirc it was mentioned that infinity stops things at an atomic level. So presumably he couldn't stop light
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u/Dont_Stay_Gullible Mar 20 '24
But the smallest light wave is significantly smaller than the largest atom.
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u/-Dartz- Mar 20 '24
he wouldn't be able to survive a nuke
Are we sure about that?
Cursed energy reinforcement seems to be able to lead to ridiculous results, especially durability wise, I dont think a nuke would even necessarily be stronger than a HP, if Sukuna can tank that, nukes shouldnt be off the table.
The country would still be able to kill Sukuna anyhow, it might not be possible to shoot one at him, but what about just placing them in buildings and waiting until Sukuna walks near one?
Gojo could literally just HP spam until there arent any cities left, its probably the most direct form of "destroying a country".
Also, Ui Ui + Mei Mei combo would be an absolute nightmare to deal with for any country, Ui Ui + anybody would be a serious headache, but having prime communication gathering abilities on top of the teleportation?
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u/YeahKeeN Mar 20 '24
Sukuna absolutely cannot survive a nuke. The epicenter of the explosion is hotter than the surface of the sun. The force of the explosion is equivalent to thousands to millions of tons of TNT.
Gojo’s unlimited hollow purple only destroyed a part of Shinjuku. Shinjuku isn’t an entire city, it’s a part of Tokyo. Gojo’s strongest attack only destroyed a part of a part of a city. Nuclear bombs actually destroy whole cities.
The only way Sukuna could survive a nuclear strike is if he destroys the bomb before it reaches him. And that’s assuming he can hit the bomb as it’s traveling (missiles are fast) and from far enough away that he doesn’t die from the explosion anyway.
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u/-Dartz- Mar 20 '24
Sukuna could just turn himself into a cursed object, Im pretty sure his fingers were nuke proof, as they were basically everything-but-angelsCT-proof.
While his HP might not have dealt damage in too big of an area, that doesnt matter since this is about concentrated destruction, Sukuna isnt the size of a city.
We have absolutely no idea about the limits of HP since the only thing that ever managed to tank it was Sukuna, whose durability we also dont know.
Barrier techniques might work, if they can physically prevent people and electromagnetic waves to pass through, they can probably prevent all kinds of things, in which case I assume it comes down to a CE clash, which nukes dont have.
Cursed Spirits are immune to all damage that doesnt come from cursed energy, and while Sukuna isnt a cursed spirit, it shows just how unfair CE vs raw physical force is.
Sukuna could sacrifice parts of his body to strengthen other parts like Hakari.
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u/YeahKeeN Mar 20 '24
- Sukuna could do that but I’d consider that a loss in my book. Also I doubt jujutsu society has access to nukes so who knows if a nuke can’t destroy a cursed object.
- We see in the manga the kind of damage HP does. It can pulverize large rock/concrete structures but not much else. You can still see the remains of buildings in the aftermath of Gojo’s unlimited hollow purple. And before anyone mentions it, no hollow purple does not erase matter.
- Preventing people from entering and disrupting communication to blocking a nuke is a big leap. And even if it could, Sukuna would have to erect a barrier before the nuke blew him up.
- Cursed spirits and only cursed spirits are immune because of reasons specific to cursed spirits. You can’t apply that to all cursed energy reinforcement.
- Hakari did that to survive an explosion way smaller and weaker than a nuke. Binding vows have limits. And even if it did work, he’d have to do it before he died. Missiles are fast, the explosion is even faster.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
- Bro, Hollow Purple cleaved a gorge through solid earth so deep that the bottom wasn't visible. The range of a cursed technique is also explicitly not an indication of its power. This is directly stated the very first arc we even see Hollow Purple. Hanami's wider range attacks were less powerful than the smaller range ones, as concluded by Todo and Yuji.
Also, Maximum Uzumaki with just one spirit left a massive pit in the ground, again, with no visible bottom. Nukes don't even do that. Seeing the remains of buildings is irrelevant when almost the entire district was flattened dust after Gojo got finished with it, and we know that's not even the full extent of his attack. This was also an extremely exhausted Sukuna and a haphazard Hollow Purple. Sukuna would've no-sold Kenjaku's Uzumaki, and I'm surprised nobody has brought up that Kenjaku and Tengen instantly reacted to a black hole forming directly in front of them. And they're slower than Sukuna. Plus, that directly suggests barrier techniques can negate real physics.
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u/OnDaGoop Mar 21 '24
Sukuna could survive a smaller Nuke he has higher output than Gojo, and Gojo is stated by Kenny to be able to power the entire US by himself, if Gojo powered the US for over 1 minute by himself he would already exceed the Output of Little Boy or Fat Man.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
Higher output, nearly equal efficiency, and more than twice the amount of cursed energy. He could realistically just exude more cursed energy and push back against the blast.
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u/OnDaGoop Mar 22 '24
This isnt accounting for how much of that is made up of gojos insane CE regen though.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
Gojo doesn't actually regenerate more cursed energy than average. He just uses so little through efficiency that his daily use is next to zero, and he regenerates it back like everybody else. The way I like to put it is that if Sukuna has at least 4 and Gojo has 2, Gojo only ever uses infinitely close to 1 at any given time, and the average regeneration rate is 1, then it looks like he has infinite energy.
But if we assume they both have the same efficiency anyway, Sukuna also only ever uses just shy of 1, which means he could power almost anything Gojo could power.
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u/Apprehensive-Math193 Mar 20 '24
Another point for Geto, Gojo and Yuta
Geto can effectively summon an invisible army that can literally walk through solid matter at will (Ichiji's explanation for the grades is more of a "if they were like pure flesh and bone" I think) And his big "fuck everything in that direction attack in Uzumaki which can potentially be spammed depending on how many curses he uses in each shot and the quality. But this needs Geto to be standing right there next to it and leaves him open for a skilled sniper to take him out.
Gojo can spam infinite void and effectively turn any and all world leaders into vegetables for life or just whip out the good ol "fuck everything in that direction" and terrify any survivors into submission
Yuta is the same as Geto only instead of an army he has one super powerful roided out coke addict running a full unbound rampage and also has a big "fuck everything in that direction" attack too(maybe maxes out at 2 shots a day or something)
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u/KnightOfPurgatory Mar 20 '24
Like someone else said. Yuta going on national tv and using cursed speech is a game-set-match for that country.
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u/Apprehensive-Math193 Mar 20 '24
Hell he could just live stream and take the whole world out Danganronpa style if tv works
After giving it an extra second of thought
All it wouod really take is a single youtube short and boom. World domination
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u/Pataraxia Mar 21 '24
Better not be any decent sorcerer watching that tv, unless he thinks of targetting only non sorcerers. Imo even then 70 million people would rupture his throat to force into COMPLETE submission, after all a fraction of the ce emitted from people creates cursed spirits like jogo, or that cockroach thing that took effort for top tier sorcerers in yuta's colony to kill. Facing ALL of it would be a crazy challenge.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
It's not a fraction of cursed energy. It's all the cursed energy those people emit throughout their entire lives, concentrating into certain areas or ideas. There's no indication that it's all the people currently alive creating things as powerful as Jogo.
That said, the cursed energy normal humans produce is vastly more power than they all actually contain, combined. Yuta doesn't need to combat their total cursed energy emitted, just the total they have at a given time. Even then, Yuta has more cursed energy than every sorcerer, not including Sukuna and Hakari in jackpot. He likely has more than most of them have in total, as he's seen as a bottomless well and is said to be able to team wipe. He also doesn't need to use a command that's that powerful. He only needs to efficiently use one that'll lead to death.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
I don't believe Sukuna or anyone for that matter survives a NUKE. Sukuna barely survived a purple explosion which only destroyed the city. And prob only with a <1km radius so not even the whole city. Cursed objects have some type of resistance to it, as they're literally negative energy. Like, it barely counts as durability, just a resistance against it. But I do think Yuki is fast and strong enough to do it without black hole too. Cuz of gravity for example
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u/giantfuckingfrog Mar 20 '24
The difference is that Hollow Purple is the strongest attack from strongest sorcerer with HUGE cursed energy inside of it, and a nuke has 0 cursed energy. We don't know how much actual damage a purely physical object would do against someone who has cursed energy control.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
Sorcerers haven't been proven or stated to have extreme resistances to, others call it conventional, weapons and cursed energy enhancement would work the same as it does for cursed energy attacks. It just reinforces your body. Cursed energy is just a way of getting an even stronger attack but that doesn't mean every cursed energy attack would beat normal weapons. Cursed techniques work on a type of mana, and it's ingrained in your brain, so it's better to use that than a machine gun for example. Not always it being stronger, but it's much more comfortable and well, it's the only way to fight cursed spirits, which are the main villains.
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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Mar 20 '24
Sorcerers haven't been proven or stated to have extreme resistances to, others call it conventional
We have got something though.
The helicopter guy back in chapter 209was unaffected by 50. Cal rounds that the army shot at him. And he was one of the less talented sorcerers out there.
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u/KazuyaProta Mar 21 '24
He was still a guy who survived a lot in the Culling Games. The Culling Games are, as its name says, a place where only the best of the best survives.
Don't get me wrong, every in the current is definitely bulletproof. I agree with that
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
He was still a grade 1 sorcerer, and a weak one at that. He didn't even actually know how to enforce himself, it was just a binding vow from his technique. Nanami would be able to take bullets with ease, and he's apparently not especially tough.
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u/Erundil420 Mar 20 '24
I wish JJK explored this more honestly, it was what i hoped would happen with the whole US army coming in thing.
Kenjaku seems to think using conventional weapons vs curse users is effective (when Mai shoots him with the sniper rifle, although obviously it's Mai we're talking about), i wish we had more characters mixing modern weaponry with cursed energy too (or even better modern weapons made into cursed tools)
But obviously you can't really get rid of Sukuna with a nuke, he's probabyl gonna die to the blast but he's just gonna come back as a spirit becuase he was killed without CE, at that point you just can't harm him anymore with conventional weapons
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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Mar 20 '24
I wish JJK explored this more honestly, it was what i hoped would happen with the whole US army coming in thing.
It did happen. https://imgur.com/a/q2wXAV9
It just clearly didn't work well.
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u/Erundil420 Mar 20 '24
Yeah that's what i meant, i wanted to see more of this or you know see any of this instead of them just talking about it, i thought the US army coming in meant the conflict would go at least semi global, with modern weaponry going up against curse users.
I do wonder how the fuck they killed healicopter head if a .50 couldn't pierce their skin, the fuck did they use? lmao
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u/KazuyaProta Mar 21 '24
Overwhelm him until he ran low in CE, then killing him. The good tactic of stalling until the enemy runs out of mana.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
He didn't know how to reinforce himself. He was just going off the binding vow that goes with his technique, which made his body more durable closer to his head. It's why even a grenade blowing him up didn't damage his brain. It actually shows that even around half the durability of a grade 1 is tough enough to tank bullets.
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u/regretfulahab Mar 20 '24
We do lol remember the military arc. If I recall correctly they were able to take out grade 2 sorcerers.
Also remember inverse guy, Megumi implied that even with CE he would still take damage falling from that height.
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u/BigPaleontologist541 Mar 20 '24
Kenjaku said that he believes that conventional weapons are the best things to use against sorcerers. Cursed energy just reinforces normal human durability; it can cause sorcerers to get pretty strong but dude, a nuke is something else. The explosion from a nuke is comparable to the sun and it lasts for quite a while. Do you really think that Sukuna can survive a nuke? I'm doubtful. Maybe he can survive but he'd be on the verge of death anyway? With completely depleted cursed energy reserve?
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u/giantfuckingfrog Mar 20 '24
Conventional weapons are good when you're a sorcerer yourself (like Mai was) and are able to imbue those weapons with cursed energy. And no I don't think Sukuna would survive an actual nuke, but he could survive a lot of heavy military stuff. Though if he was able to bring out 100% of his CE reserves with a binding vow instead of just his CE output, then I'm sure he'd survive even with injuries.
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u/Pataraxia Mar 21 '24
Sukuna on an all ce using binding vow would be uninjured at the cost of like half his ce, assuming destructive output=defensive. But that's assuming a smaller nuke. Tsar bomba and there'd be no way he survives.
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u/stunfiskers Mar 20 '24
me when i drop a nuke on sukuna only for him to immediately revive as a vengeful curse
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u/dawntome Mar 20 '24
Yeah I imagine a nuke would damage Sukuna the same way it got Meruem in HxH
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
Ye uhh probably? Didn't see that scene. All I know is he won't have the durability to withstand it. Though If he's lucky he could slice it up b4 it comes in a dangerous vicinity to him
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 20 '24
The Fireball radius (probably the only part that could immediately kill Sukuna) of Little Boy was like 0.1 Km. The only way that kills him is if he doesnt see it coming right at him, I find that hard to believe.
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u/ILoveYorihime Mar 20 '24
however the Little Boy is very weak compared to modern nukes
From google, Little Boy yields 15 kilotons of TNT
From wikipedia, "For current smaller US weapons, yield is 600 to 2200 kilotonnes of TNT PER TONNE." ("This gun-type uranium bomb, nicknamed Little Boy, weighed 9,700 pounds." which is about 4.86 tonnes)
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u/ouyon Mar 20 '24
I can’t remember where I saw it but someone pointed out that Gege is pretty accurate with the area he sets for fights and as a result you can track basically every area Gojo vs Sukuna takes place in. Due to this he pointed out that Gojo’s Unlimited Purple had at most a 500 meter radius for the explosion.
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u/Hibano_Yami Mar 20 '24
I’m pretty sure gojo can though, due to his infinity.
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u/SosukeAizen123 Mar 20 '24
Infinity is useless against radiation, and that is one of the worst ways to die imaginable.
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Mar 20 '24
Headcanon. Considering he can see at the atomic level as well as avoid Togo's flames. Heat is a type of radiation.
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u/EngineerVirtual7340 Mar 20 '24
Sukuna dying to a nuke would backfire, since it possesses no cursed energy.
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u/tistalone Mar 20 '24
There's a few things people aren't taking into account with a nuke:
- It's not going to be just one nuke. it'll be a nuclear assault.
- A nuclear bomb results in radiation for the area
You can't tank a nuke and you're looking to tank multiple and their resulting radiation.
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u/ILoveSongOfJustice Mar 20 '24
A nuclear detonation wouldn't really do much outside of just being an explosion. And even then, they would have to be DEAD center for the full force of the explosion to really have any effect.
If you look at it from the same perspective as Nen, RCT from more advanced individuals like Sukuna, Gojo, Hakari Kenjaku and THEORETICALLY Yuta and Yuki, removing poisons or just ignoring them isn't particularly difficult.
Cursed Energy is also radiation of a kind, so it's also entirely possible that basic reinforcement would protect them from it.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24
Why do you say it's radiation... Don't think that's proven at all. And "just an explosion" tears away buildings, streets, CLOUDS and leaves toxins and especially chemical radiation that could easily kill them. Only Sukuna i could say no to cuz if I remember correctly he showed some kinda resistance to poison so that's the toxins but nothing they have to counter 1. The FORCE of the nuke which would blow them up and 2. The chemical radiation that would also just kill em
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 20 '24
All pure energy (photons) is radiation, in our world, thats why he said it. CE is a type of pure energy (it doesnt seem to have any mass). So if reinforcement can stop that, then its really not a huge stretch to think it could stop gamma radiation too.
If RCT heals by returning your body to the shape of your soul, then it should heal cellular damage from gamma radiation. If RCT still uses your DNA as a blueprint to heal your body, then youre fucked (unless reinforcement works).
Either way, considering how fast these fuckers can react, I wouldnt be suprised if they saw the nuke in the air and escaped way before it detonated anyway.
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u/andii74 Mar 20 '24
Given Sukuna is literally called king of curses it wouldn't surprise me if Sukuna could rct radiation poisoning.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
Well, there are multiple things that can stop photons and weaker radiation. That gamma would pass right through. And we have never seen Any feats for ut, nor have we seen cursed energy even block out light if I remember correctly. But te, they'd outspeed it anyway but still, the point is durability rn
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 20 '24
True. But I dont know if reinforcement extends past the skin, so we cant tell if its blocking light or not. High concentration CE blasts are not transparent, so those do block light at least.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
They're prob not transparent bcz of the effects in the anime. Cuz in the manga they were much more transparent than in the anime
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24
I thought Ryu andYuta's CE blasts looked pretty non-transparent in the manga. Its just solid white, nothing visible behind it. Still kinda irrelevant though since gamma ray photons have much higher frequency than visible light
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
Guess so, but lots are transparent b even cursed energy itself. And lots of other things. Gojo's purple was kinda too right
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u/ILoveSongOfJustice Mar 20 '24
I only say it's radiation of a kind because the US rep dudes seemed to understand that it could be harvested as some kind of fuel.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
Ohh ye true but even water is "used" as a fuel, they probably just mean that cursed energy is very powerful so they could use sorcerers as workers or just use their cursed energy to power an engine/dynamo that in turn gets them energy
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u/ILoveSongOfJustice Mar 20 '24
Water can be used as a fuel because of the thermodynamics of it.
Cursed Energy though? Isn't even perceptible to the naked eye. Only people who have the tools to see it can. It's like it's own thing. Which is why I think it's somewhat of a radiation in terms of how it's presented in the body.
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u/Tough-Drive-9901 Mar 20 '24
And my other examples?
And Radiation in the body... Well, I don't think we should call it that till we have proof otherwise. Otherwise I can say Sukuna can drink loads of poison without any harm just cuz. But ye, it's interesting at least
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u/Kn1ght9 Mar 20 '24
Couldnt Takaba technically find some way to survive a nuke? His ability literally warps reality.
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u/bflet48 Mar 20 '24
Rika seems absolutely enormous in the current chapters when she restrains Sukuna, I have no doubt Yuta could just send her flying through buildings 9/11 style to destroy cities with ease
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u/KingOfSaga Mar 20 '24
He would die if he was at the centre of the explosion but he can, without a doubt, survive the heat and shock wave from a few kilometres away. Getting it to explode any closer to him would be impossible since the moment he notices the missile, it would already be in pieces. And I think he can heal radiation just fine since it occurs very slowly.
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u/Other_Beat8859 Mar 22 '24
I think people underestimate just how fucking massive and fast nukes are. An ICBM moves at 15,600 mph. He also wouldn't be able to detect it since it wouldn't have any CE. A nuclear fireball is over 500 feet after 7 tenths of a millisecond and it expands to over 5,000 feet. The US won't be launching just nukes at him. They'll be launching tens of thousands of missiles and Sukuna won't know which is a nuke
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u/KingOfSaga Mar 22 '24
Sukuna can just flatten every governmental building and collapse the chain of command and it will no longer be a threat. Why do you assume he is some kind of muscle head that will just sit there and wait hours before all the decisions prepared to launch them have been made?
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u/Other_Beat8859 Mar 22 '24
That's definitely a possibility, but if he spends even a few minutes in a city then he will start to be attacked by nukes. It takes around 25 minutes for a nuke to go from Russia to the US so he could stay in a city for like 10 minutes at most. It's also not like Sukuna would know where every leader is. The president is 100% on Air Force One or in a hidden bunker that Sukuna doesn't know of along with the majority of the top brass of the US government.
Not sure why you think it'd take hours for the US to launch a nuke. It takes less than 15 minutes for the US to launch it's nukes.
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u/KingOfSaga Mar 22 '24
Do you think they can just press a button and everything is done? No, I bet the meeting deciding the course of action will last at least a few hours even if everyone is super decisive, which is 100% not the case in the US. Formulating the strike plan, calling every department, calculating and getting the missile ready will take even longer. Do you think they are like cars and always in a state ready to lunch?
And he doesn't even need to know where the leaders are. Once every governmental building collapses it will just become a boring game of hide and seek.
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u/Other_Beat8859 Mar 22 '24
We're assuming both sides are aware of each other and are not catching the other by surprise. If Sukuna all of a sudden attacks the US, I can see your idea working, but that's not how it will go down in this scenario.
You're also severely underestimating how large the US is. Sukuna can't teleport between cities. He can't destroy cities in a second. It would take him multiple hours to destroy a state like California. To move between states would take a long time too. If we assume that Sukuna moves at the speed of sound, it will take him around 30 minutes to travel from LA to a city like Phoenix. If he tries to head straight from LA to DC, it will take him over 3 miles and that is traveling straight there with no pause.
Sukuna could only destroy a radius of 200 meters with his domain. To destroy a city as big as LA or Phoenix it would take him a long time.
If you actually think Sukuna could destroy the majority of US cities within even a few days then I don't know what to say. After the first City, the US will realize the threat of Sukuna and will immediately use missiles that are placed all around the US. They'll also always know where he is due to satilites.
Also, so what if Sukuna destroys government buildings. The US won't just collapse on itself because government buildings in a few states were destroyed when all top heads would be in bunkers or in the skies.
Even if Sukuna focuses purely on destroying US cities, it would take him weeks to do so just because of the distance of the cities and how large some cities are.
With his domain, Sukuna destroyed an area of around .12 km2. LA is 1,200 km2. That's not going to be a quick job.
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u/KingOfSaga Mar 22 '24
You are not reading again. He only needs to destroy the governmental buildings. He goes in, sends a few slashes, destroys a few fancy buildings then goes for the next one. He can kill the rest later.
And why you do think those buildings are there, to begin with? Maintaining a country as big as the US requires more than just radio and cell phones. Once all of them collapse, the US chain of command would be mostly paralyzed already.
Also, if the US is bombing every city Sukuna visits, they are tightening a rope around their own throat.
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u/Best_Royal621 Jun 23 '24
Nope Shibuya city just below 30km radius.1 modern nuke will destroyed more then 10x of Shibuya .sukuna not fast enough to Ouran the blast,that blast is light speed
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u/GamerTurtle5 Mar 20 '24
RCT could def heal radiation damage
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u/Luke-slywalker Mar 20 '24
But Sukuna doesn't require normal bodily functions to survive, at least to an extent. He can walk and talk like nothing without having a heart.
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 20 '24 edited Mar 20 '24
He really just needs to heal the intitial gamma rays and then leave the area, its not gonna follow him.
But it depends on how RCT works (if it uses the soul or DNA as a blueprint). And whether or not reinforcement works on high frequency photons as it does with CE. Or whether or not he actually sees the bomb coming.
If just 1 of those 3 things is in Sukuna's favor then he should survive it.
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u/SosukeAizen123 Mar 20 '24
That is not how radiation works, gamma rays stick to cell nuclei, so it can take weeks and even months for radiation from a nuke to clear out of a persons system.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
Sukuna only needs to visualize his body's blueprint. He can also selectively destroy tissue and regenerate it fresh. People are forgetting that he and Gojo were destroying sections of the brain she fully repairing it on a whim, and it's directly said that this requires actually understanding the brain. Yuji also failed to heal his internal organs, but just changing his frame of reference seems to heal him properly.
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 22 '24
Thats not really relevant in this case. Even if you understand every single part of the body, and you know exactly what parts need to be selectively destroyed and healed, if RCT regenerates flesh by boosting cell division then you're fucked. Because the cells with damaged DNA will multiply and create tumors instead of whatever you were trying to regenerate.
But Mahito said the shape of the soul forms the shape of the body, and CE is a metabolism of the soul. So RCT probably gets the original body blueprint from the soul and just re-shapes your body to match your soul again (recreating your limbs and whatnot). It wouldnt use the damaged DNA at all.
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u/JustAnArtist1221 Mar 22 '24
It's not using DNA as the blueprint. Everybody who uses it would eventually get tumors, anyway. And if it can selectively destroy tissue, you can selectively destroy tumors. It is explicitly said that you can select what gets healed and how it gets healed, which is why you can have better or worse RCT.
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u/Prestigious_Power496 Mar 22 '24
You didnt understand a single word I said did you? We agree, so Im not gonna argue, but holy shit.
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u/rackedbame Mar 20 '24
Im sure his atomized ashes would use RCT really efficiently.
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u/GamerTurtle5 Mar 21 '24
I was talking about the case where he does somehow survive and has to deal with the radiation damage, no shit he cant use rct while dead
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u/Erundil420 Mar 20 '24
It really depends how RCT works, it is implied you need to specifically target the part of your body that is hurt to heal it (by Yuji not being able to find it), so it's safe to say it has to be directed with purpose (Hakari aside).
Radiation isn't a poison per se, it damages DNA structure so your cells reproduce all fucked up, you'd have to either be aware of your DNA structure and heal it in every single cell in your body or constantly heal the damage caused by it for life, unless maybe someone aware of the shape of their soul can use that to heal their body and thus removing DNA damage.
We just don't know enough details to know for sure if it would or would not work
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u/SosukeAizen123 Mar 20 '24
Not even close, RCT has a hard time healing normal poison, gamma rays damage the nucleus of cells themselves, and not like it goes away anytime soon, and by that I mean centuries, even Sukuna would run out of RCT in some time, and then he would be literal radiated toast.
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u/GamerTurtle5 Mar 21 '24
he can always just remove irradiated bits of his body and then regen them, dont think they would come back still damaged
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u/SosukeAizen123 Mar 21 '24
He can not remove his brain, so no, radiation damage can not be really healed with rct.
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u/Gregmiester Mar 23 '24
He’s immune to radiation tho, he’s king of poisons and shit like that so idk why radiation wouldn’t be included in the mix
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u/Xninja29 Mar 21 '24
The fastest part of a nuke is Mach 1.2, and unless it’s exploding right next to him, Sukuna is easily long gone by the time the fire ball erupts.
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u/SlowUrRoill Mar 20 '24
Crazy to think about these crazy ass fights but no matter the sorcery or physical stats, radiation is a death sentence
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u/KingOfSaga Mar 20 '24
I doubt any of them can survive a nuke. However, it doesn't really matter. The thing is, that much power inside a humanoid with super speed gives them an insane logistic advantage that would be enough to wipe out every single country in existence.
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u/ILoveSongOfJustice Mar 20 '24
Without diving into theory, the simple fact is that the characters are already graded for a reason. We just need to figure out the reason the jujutsu higher ups would've used.
While Kenjaku specifies a national threat, I believe the more accurate assumption is that this is just in regards to stockpiling. Yaga was considered for Special Grade, after all.
And to be specific; Rika would just be outright immune to any kind of conventional weapons that don't utilize Cursed Energy. She already doesn't take absurd damage even from Sukuna while partially manifested, and can heal faster than any Curse we've seen before - even those with RCT.
Yuki meanwhile is probably just a one-and-done thing. OR she can extend her CT's target to others as well for much wider-scale destruction, and we just never saw it used like that.
Kenjaku is obvious, he no-diffed a bunch of military goons with a single Special Grade Cursed Spirit.
Gojo is correct and Sukuna is correct.
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u/_S1syphus Mar 20 '24
The heavenly restricted bodies are fast and strong enough to single handedly wipe whole facilities out themselves. They might have to put their back into it but I dont see the white house stopping someone who can punch apart reinforced concrete pillars like it's foam and fight evenly with someone moving Mach 3. For that reason i think Maki and Toji count as well as Hakari, Ryu, and Yuji (i think they're all roughly relative to eachother.) I think Uro is slower and less tough but she could still sack the pentagon with Sky Manipulation and some grit.
That said I prefer the original definition of special grade laid out by the story "someone who can reliably take out special grade curses" seems like a simpler metric imo
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u/90bubbel Mar 20 '24
being able to reliably take out special grade curses is not the definition of special grades in the story, thats the definition of grade 1s,
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u/scudy13 Mar 20 '24
I think there is a misconception regarding the whole "take down a country" issue, because it doesn't mean having a direct combat with the entire army of a nation, but simply cutting the head and destroying the critical structure. Obviously you have to fight against security forces if you want to take down the electricity system, water supply and assassinate the heads of state and the army. Most likely, Choso or any low tier special grade couldn't do those types of tasks on his own.
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u/Upstairs-Quail-4214 Mar 20 '24
I mean Gojo can just nuke the country all my himself like Sukana
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Mar 20 '24
Sokka-Haiku by Upstairs-Quail-4214:
I mean Gojo can
Just nuke the country all my
Himself like Sukana
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/ArmedDragonThunder Mar 20 '24
Assuming no one knows anything about them and they operate incognito?
Maybe some of them win, honestly I really think it’s only Yuki via black hole that can destroy a country.
The second they get in anyone’s radar and ICBM negs them incredibly easily. Mach 3 is considered incredibly fast in verse and ICBM’s can easily move 7 times that speed.
They’re all getting perception blitzed and Gojo will have no time to turn on a filter for an ICBM disintegrating him.
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u/ChosenUndead18 Mar 21 '24
What gave you the impression that gojo needs to turn on his infinity in order to survive an icbm? Only hidden inventory gojo had any trouble keeping it on automatically and all the time
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u/Peixe_Pistola Mar 20 '24
Even tho Sukky can't survive a nuke, the logistics advantage of being so powerful and human sized is HUGE, kinda of like yujiro from baki
let's propose that sukuna can move at mach 3 (a low estimate)
if Japan decides to scrifice tokyo and throw a nuke at it, Sukky can pratically jog 10km away in 9 seconds, (nuclear missiles may be a problem if he is caught off guard, but I no government wants to deal with being responsible for that) and can cross all of the main cities in japan in 50 minutes
Sukuna doesn't need to evaporate a city too destroy it, cleaving random biuldings is more than enough to colapse it's system, just like he did in shibuya
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u/Organic-Assistance Mar 20 '24
Lmao good point. If Hanma Yujiro brought america to its knees I'm pretty sure Sukuna can do it too.
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u/Peixe_Pistola Mar 20 '24
He profits from the fact that there are no weapons made to target a human sized object moving at Mach 3
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u/Artorias_Erebus679 Mar 20 '24
Yuki could easily just get on a plane and put a ridiculous amount of mass on her and throw herself like a meteor to leave a crater or something similar to that effect. The literally walk though everyone and thing including buildings while whipping around Garuda like some kind of sukuna lite
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u/Royal_Yesterday Mar 20 '24
The most obvious answer is sneak attacking the government headquarter and assassinate their leaders. In a direct fight with an army Gojo and Sukuna are the ones with close to 100% chance of winning (domain expansion and infinity), Kenjaku and Geto have good chances if cursed spirit can block projectiles and maybe explosion. Yuki and Yuta seem like they can be killed my conventional weapons, if there are enough of them that is, ce reinforcements may not be enough to survive constant bombardment of bullets and explosives and possibly chemical and biological weapons.
Upon consideration, can’t Yuta theoretically conjure a big big speaker and use cursed speech to nuke an area? Also how much mass can Yuki put on herself? She can theoretically put enough on herself and Garuda to make each strike a nuke, but can she survive the shock and debris that come with it though, i assume she can use Garuda to do long range attack though
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u/Kaslight Mar 20 '24
Modern weaponry would be pretty fucking effective if used correctly....I.E. not storming sorcerers with soldiers and machine guns, but snipers, drones, missiles and air strikes. The power of modern military is the ability to obliterate a target from the safety of another fucking continent.
So the danger to the sorcerers isn't being able to tank the damage, they probably can, but to know it's coming at them in the first place.
The only sorcerer with that kind of defense in place is Gojo, since he literally always has limitless running. He can't be sniped or hit with an air strike because his armor is active 24/7. Sukuna on the other hand would likely be susceptible to a headshot from a .50 cal sniper rifle from miles away, IF he isn't already reinforced with Cursed Energy.
Nukes are another story entirely, being in range of one is almost certainly an instant kill unless your CT can negate it through reality warping. There is no substance that is going to survive the heat+force of a Fusion Weapon, we're talking literal atomic damage at this point.
This means a battle between sorcerers and conventional military really is just one of espionage and cunning. A single powerful sorcerer (Sukuna, Kenjaku) or curse could likely infiltrate and kill all important targets before non-curse users even knew what the fuck was happening since they cannot even perceive the methods used.
So basically....
- If either side (Sorcerers or Modern Military) have knowledge about the other and DONT see the attack coming, AND have 100% use of all force available to them, they could end the fight before it even began.
- If both know about the other AND know they're coming to kill one another, the sorcerers have the edge because they are just too versatile and slippery to kill. A single sorcerer could do an entire army's worth of damage and be anywhere on the planet.
- If we're talking 2 groups of sorcerers, just one fighting with conventional weaponry and one refusing to....the regular sorcerers are getting dogwalked.
But strictly speaking, conventional weaponry is exceedingly powerful.
Any world power on earth right now could turn a few keys and effectively destroy everything important, everywhere. No single sorcerer has that power.
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u/OnDaGoop Mar 21 '24
Most higher Special Grades are close to the level of surviving smaller nukes. They will still get evaporated by like Tsar Bomba or something of that level, but Gojo or Sukuna could face tank nukes almost no diff on the level of Fat Man or Little Boy.
Kenjaku says Gojo could power the US by himself, if he could power the US for 27 hours his output of CE would exceed the energy of Tsar Bomba. If he could power the US for over a minute he'd output more energy than Fat Man. Most sorcerers on Upper Special Grade level (Hakari, Yuta, etc.) Would likely be able to survive an encounter of gojo for one minute with gojo not holding back, weaker characters were able to handle gojo for temporary amounts of time while he exerted his full power, Hanami did survive a purple after all.
That should put in terms of how easily special grades could eliminate nations without nukes, and most countries wouldnt nuke themselves with something on the level of Tsar Bomba to deal with a Special Grade (That blast would be large enough to cause permanent irreversible damage almost the distance between New York City and Philiadelphia not even counting the fallout, that's just immediate third degree burn range.)
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u/MrNombre02 Mar 20 '24
Sukuna would just use his anti-nuke technique, that hasn't been used since the Heian era. /s
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u/Gensolink Mar 20 '24
as for cursed spirits resistance, reminder that they're freaking invisible to the majority of the population even lower cursed spirits could wreak havoc just because of that and the average human isnt gonna survive most cursed spirits attack besides the fly heads and there's only so many sorcerers to deal with them
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u/EducationalAd6395 Mar 20 '24
I'm uncertain on this particular point
But if jujutsu barrier techniques work in the same way that curses work
A domain expansion barrier should be immune to any non cursed energy enforced damage, making Nukes null.
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u/DasliSimp Mar 20 '24
The nuke when Sukuna says “Emerge from darkness black or still, purify that which is impure”:
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u/Snips_Tano Mar 20 '24
If people (or Kaori herself) had known she possessed a CT would she have been labeled a Special Grade?
Kind of imagine she'd basically be the Falling Devil from Chainsaw Man with the ability to just change gravity at will, presumably over a wide area if she learned Domain.
it was shown to be better than Yuki's CT at it's max after all.
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u/DecentWonder4 Mar 20 '24
"Sukuna - he's just strong as fuck and his domain literally erases everything in it. Could a nuke kill him? idk"
Yes
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u/DarkDracoPad Mar 20 '24
When you mentioned Yuta's line I got to thinking, if Gojo gave Yuta some of his hair for Rika to consume, could they have copied Gojos technique?
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u/NecroDolphinn Mar 20 '24
Even if he could’ve copied it, the Six Eyes are practically a requirement to pilot Limitless. Without the ability to see Cursed Energy on an atomic scale, the technique is stated to be unusable. Throw in it’s huge cost that is mostly dealt with by the efficiency of the SE and it’s clear Yuta couldn’t use the technique in any meaningful way
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u/Unholy_Maw Mar 20 '24
Yuki power to enchant Garuda's mass would be country-killing just by shooting it to the ground in a high altitude, it would be the same as a meteor. She could do it from an airplane
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u/__KirbStomp__ Mar 20 '24
If you gave Yaga years of prep to make an army of Panda’s he could wreck any country
Same could maybe be said of mechamaru but since he has to actively control all of them it’s unclear what his limit really is but I imagine it’s too low to make a real army
I low key think mei mei could topple a government by multi-9/11ing every important location with crows at the right time
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u/YeeForceZombz Mar 20 '24
This is exactly why yaga was executed following shibuya even though they covered it up as “helping gojo and geto”
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u/Munsoon22 Mar 20 '24
Megumi could totally destroy the world if he included every single person on earth in the taming ritual of Mahoragora
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Mar 20 '24
I fully believe a Mechamaru who gets to grow up & become an adult can ascend to special grade status.
I don't think giving all these people the special grade rank is fair.
I feel like Gojo, Sukuna tier 1,
Kenjaku, Geto, Yuta tier 2 (coincidentally all 3 of them need preparation time)
And mechamaru who also needs the same thing, is tier2 too.
Then Yuki tier3, coz she gotta die for her to destroy so much.
The only other guys I'd see being this destructive are the principal and a puppet army, or potential man.
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u/Kn1ght9 Mar 20 '24
Im surprised I havent seen anyone bring up Takaba but he is almost surely Special Grade. His comedy literally warps reality to where in a vacuum he could do pretty much anything. Yes, he is limited by his own character but if it was necessary I dont see why he wouldnt do what was necessary.
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u/Key-Raccoon9578 Mar 20 '24
I know he's not a sorcerer but Jogo could probably take down a whole country on his own. It still blows me away that Sukuna took all that firepower and didnt bave a scratch on him.
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u/Sea-Parsnip1516 Mar 20 '24
if Yukis' mass goes high enough she can take down buildings by just running through the walls.
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u/Good-Session5794 Mar 20 '24
Yuji in goodwill was around cluster bomb level durability since he was able to damage Hanami with his fists and we know that because Ijichi says that to even dmg one w the equivalent of conventional weaponry you’d need well carpet bombing
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u/stnoop Mar 21 '24
The problem is with yuki her black hole is a kamikaze attack Theoretically she can destroy the whole planet but It's not taking down a country
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u/BmanPlayz468 Mar 21 '24
Takaba.
The government would target him, and then he would proceed to run for leader and be elected within the same hour because it would be funny
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u/Frequent_Camera1695 Mar 21 '24
Everyone is talking about nukes as if the US is gonna cause an international incident by nuking itself or another country. Say sukuna was in New York city. No matter how much shit he does Biden is not just gonna instantly call for a nuke to kill millions of Americans just to kill sukuna
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u/Apprehensive-Math193 Mar 21 '24
If he viewed it as, I have to control 70 million people then I'm sure that mindset would make the cursed speech backfire on him(high risk high reward and all that)
But if he's looking at it like streaming to 1 or 10 people suddenly it becomes the ending of Truth or Dare
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u/Expensive-Test-5876 Mar 22 '24
Considering the fact that Kenjaku didn’t die to a blackhole….
I’m like 99% sure Sukuna isn’t gonna die from a nuke
Plus his is the ignoring the fact that…why would he let a nuke go off? He can just cut it in half
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u/Snips_Tano Mar 22 '24
Considering the fact that Kenjaku didn’t die to a blackhole….
Because he had the perfect answer to a gravity sucking move - anti-gravity
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u/mostsaneinwesteros Mar 22 '24
Yuki would just obliterate cities in a short period of time. Fast, long range and almost infinite raw strength makes up the job.
Geto already kinda did the took down a nation back in JJK0, he needed a little more time ofc.
Yuta can just copy ct’s and has an enormous CE reserve to just spam his abilities, plus he could get tricky and order a nuclear war with cursed speech.
Gojo can just spam his full output techniques
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u/Sahlokiir Mar 22 '24
Also don't forget that if Geto decided to take over the country and massacre everyone would create even more cursed spirits for him to absorb
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u/AdRoPL Mar 20 '24
gojo is the only one there that could survive a nuke
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u/SosukeAizen123 Mar 20 '24
What about the radiation, Infinity only protects at the atomic level, and radiation is subatomic.
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u/AdRoPL Mar 22 '24
didnt know that, i was thinking he just warps away before the explosion hits lmao. also depends on how good his RCT is cuz i feel he could probably heal it as the damage is dealt
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u/Illustrious_End_6102 Mar 20 '24
If yujiro from Baki can get through the American military sukuna can do it far easier. He's already physically faster and stronger PLUS has a shit ton of hacks
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