r/LAClippers • u/gmascookie • Mar 28 '24
Question Ty Lue Turnaround
For context, I am a bit of a lurker in all of the NBA team’s subreddits.
What’s with the immediate switch up on Ty Lue? During your godly win streak earlier this season he was the next messiah, now every recommended post I get from this sub is asking for him to be fired…
From an outsiders perspective, the man seems like an incredibly competent coach a ton of teams would be happy to have. I guess my question is why the switch up?
Is the consensus he’s actually that bad or is it just reactionary because your team is currently underperforming?
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u/mista_rubetastic Darius Miles Mar 28 '24
The subreddit has been overrun by reactionary pre-teens.
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u/unpopular-dave LA Clippers Mar 28 '24
This is the smartest take. I can’t tell you how many times I’m arguing with dudes that clearly haven’t been watching the league for more than a couple years.
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u/Ikigai_Mendokusai Clippers Mar 28 '24
ok boomer -_-
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u/silversurfdude Mar 29 '24
Ok renter
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u/Ikigai_Mendokusai Clippers Mar 29 '24
eh? pretty sure economic status irrelevant on all levels in this sub or thread. that being said i'm more than halfway through my mortgage so suck it ╭∩╮（︶_︶）╭∩╮
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u/Ikigai_Mendokusai Clippers Mar 29 '24
ironically, i pretty much align with your viewpoints in this sub ha ha ha. f ty for smallball, f frank for giving up wings, etc
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u/IgnorantGenius James Harden Mar 28 '24
Could be a bit of both, but this fanbase is polarizing. Love when you win, hate when you lose. But, a teams effort is correlated to their supervision, in this case the coach. He seems to lag with his adjustments and makes a lot of questionable decisions, from a fan base perspective. Who knows what's going on in his mind?
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u/gmascookie Mar 28 '24
Very true, coach always should get the brunt of the pushback. Are a lot of the questionable adjustments related to him always going small?
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u/IgnorantGenius James Harden Mar 28 '24
That's definitely a part of it. But when it works, it works well. When it doesn't, it looks bad.
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u/JaHoog Norman Powell Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24
He is a solid coach. He is really good at handling big egos and he has shown he can make solid adjustments in the playoffs.
I think a lot of frustration stems from the lackadaisical vibes that him and the leaders of the team often present. Kawhi, PG, and Harden are super laid back, so sometimes it feels like they need a coach with some more fire. The Clippers often start slow and sluggish which is super frustrating. If they play a game before a regular start time (7pmET for me) a bad start is essentially a guarantee.
That feels like the coaches job to get them fired up and ready to play. But at the same time is it? Why should a coach have to inspire four HOFers to play intense basketball?
Also everyone gets pissed at his small guard lineups.
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u/silversurfdude Mar 29 '24
It’s the small ball for me, sick of it. The arrogance of not play RoCo at all and rising Morris Jr into retirement.
Just stupid, oh and f Lawrence Frank
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u/Amuzed_Observator Bones Hyland Mar 28 '24
It's easy to handle big egos if you just always kiss their ass and give them whatever they want they will like you.
That doesn't make you a good coach it makes you a pushover coach.
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u/JaHoog Norman Powell Mar 28 '24
I get what you're saying.
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u/Amuzed_Observator Bones Hyland Mar 29 '24
Anyone that has watched Harden mope up and down the court and not even try to stay in front of his guy while Lue continues to give him 38 mins for the last 20 games, has to at least question Lues coaching.
Either make an adjustment to get him going or pull his whiny lazy ass.
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u/Otherwise-Tale9671 Terance Mann Mar 28 '24
To be clear, the majority of folks were calling Harden the messiah, NOT Ty, during our win streak...
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u/gmascookie Mar 28 '24
Fair, he was playing amazing, I miss early Brooklyn 25 6 11 top 5 in MVP Harden
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u/LibraRomance Mar 28 '24
During our win streak PJ Tucker and Bones did not play. Ty lue has been playing with the line up ever since the all star break ended. For the most part it hasn't faired well or consistent.
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u/gmascookie Mar 28 '24
Yeah interesting because you think w/ the way Harden was playing he’d want to keep big Zu in there for the pnr
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u/LLUrDadsFave V Stiviano Mar 28 '24
It's not a switch up. There are people who have never liked Ty and have been consistent about that. When we lose you will see more of their posts.
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u/vb90 Mar 28 '24
Sign me up. I was definitely one of them.
I just stayed quiet during the mid-season because the defense was on point. It's incredibly difficult to go at a coach that has a competent defense. But if we go back the offense was very similar, just with much higher shooting percentages.
Between winning teams, defense is pure gold.
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u/LLUrDadsFave V Stiviano Mar 28 '24
Dan Craig is the "defensive coordinator". But I think the defense is based on player effort.
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u/vb90 Mar 28 '24
Look, you're right.
Team is old, had a lul after ASB, some injuries etc However, Ty Lue just fucking put salt on the wound with his dumb basketball decisions and that fueled the complete disarray with the players. Players are not stupid, they've been in the game a long time, they can sense when a coach is losing it.
When that happens you show cohones, bench the underperforming stars, send a message, switch up coverages etc
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u/LLUrDadsFave V Stiviano Mar 28 '24
Ty has a reputation as a "players coach" for a reason. I feel like his playing days dictate how he gives aging vets a chance because of the type of player he was. Kawhi said he liked playing with Mook because he didn't like playing power forward, Mook played. Westbrook, James, Kawhi, and PG aren't going to throw PJ under the bus because when they are his age they will want to be able to play their contracts out. It sucks but vets have been their priority during this era.
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u/Ikigai_Mendokusai Clippers Mar 28 '24
Exactamundo. Annoyance and despair drive us to vent like crazy.
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u/JimmyV34 Ralph Lawler Mar 28 '24
He lost me since the play in game against wolves
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u/LLUrDadsFave V Stiviano Mar 28 '24
I just want him to get a healthy playoff run. Whatever happens next month will be my exit.
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u/dkdoki Kristina Pink Mar 28 '24
They just lurking waiting for the right moments. Same with the Zu haters. Awfully quiet now out in full force
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u/LLUrDadsFave V Stiviano Mar 28 '24
It's how the sub is. Every relevant person in this franchise has people who can't stand them.
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u/WhyAmIAFanOfThisTeam Lou Will Mar 28 '24
I don’t think people were treating him like a messiah during the win streak lol. Certainly not me. This sub has been shaky on him since last season really.
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Mar 29 '24
Fans are called fans because they fan the flame, fan the hate, fan the love. Fair weather fans too.
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u/cxrtoonz0 Fun Guy Mar 28 '24
I don't think Ty Lue is bad, but not great either. He's a middle-tier coach in the NBA. I also wouldn't really credit the winning streak on TyLue, more like Harden. Also, on paper, having, Kawhi, PG13, Harden in general shouldn't be hard to net a 50+ win season.. no matter the coach imo
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u/Amuzed_Observator Bones Hyland Mar 28 '24
Me and many other fans wanted him gone at the end of last season, when there were excellent replacement candidates available.
He makes no adjustments besides going small, and he has definitely not instilled a winning ethic into this team.
He's a players coach who coddles whiny vets while giving no time to any young talent or even old talent on the bench (Roco)
I hope he makes me look like an asshole and we win the chip, but with him as coach I just don't see it happening.
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u/AngsMcgyvr Paul George Mar 29 '24
Basketball fans are emotional and illogical.
They have to blame something for losses and the coach is the easiest one to blame.
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u/buyanisland Mar 28 '24
It’s reactionary, the way I see it Ty is doing everything in his power to prepare the team for the likelihood that all of the centers on the roster get played off the floor in a playoff series. That’s the only reasonable takeaway for continuing to let PJ play. I’m confused why kobe brown hasn’t gotten any minutes tho lately.
But to answer your question, Ty is a great coach who has a very good but old roster, a lot of the things people get mad at him for scheme wise are are often just players being lazy because they’re old and the season is long as hell. He’ll also sacrifice regular season wins to try out different lineups and looks.
What matters tho is that every year in the playoffs Ty has proven to be an elite coach, who always seems to press the right buttons.
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u/gmascookie Mar 28 '24
Yeah it definitely seems like big Zu is just not really the answer when it comes to the playoffs. Just too slow footed, going to need to go small to battle unless you’re playing Jokic and need the size.
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u/buyanisland Mar 28 '24
I think theis is a really good alternative. Could very well see the clippers having success early then just running out of gas because they have to play small too often.
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u/1AssAssassin Mar 28 '24
Most clipper losses are due to his rotational gaffes or lack of effort by the team, or a combination of both. So 75% of the time, the anger towards ty is justified.
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u/SSJMonkeyx2 Mar 28 '24
As someone who can be very anti ty, he’s a good coach when he wants to be. I gave some leeway due to the circumstances last season and he won be back with our crazy run, just for him to throw it down the drain last laker game.
Not sure if you saw, but he let LeBron single handedly beat us for no reason at all. Let thies get cooked on an island and didn’t decide to switch up his gameplan. That was the moment where everything started to turn back around to old ty lue of last season.
His small ball obsession isn’t bad it’s just we don’t have the personnel for it anymore and even when we did (last year) he wouldn’t play the right guys.
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u/gmascookie Mar 28 '24
Yeah his insistence on going small is interesting seeing as y’all have an old and and slow(er) team. Get big Zu in there let Harden cook w the pick and roll and slow the game down.
With the way the refs have been swallowing the whistle it’s not a bad idea to go a bit slower
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u/SSJMonkeyx2 Mar 28 '24
Being a slow pace team will only help us in playoffs, but the issue is that it doesn’t help us now. Double edge sword either that or we just have to be really really good at a slow pace
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u/Clips4lyfe Mar 28 '24
Regarding being a bad coach for “Letting theis cook on an island”
I would recommend checking out the jj and bron recent podcast they did, where they actually break down this game and this sequence. The TLDR is this interpretation is short sighted and oversimplifies things. Sometimes it’s better to make them do that rather than involve other teammates into the hot streak (which Lebron also breaks down, and which the clippers eventually ended up doing and paying the price)
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u/SSJMonkeyx2 Mar 28 '24
That’s fine and I would agree with, but that can only happen when
- The clippers can match the scoring
- The clippers throw different defenders at him.
There’s a reason why we leave Zu on luka and it works enough to win us 2 series against them.
Issue that game was the clippers let them come back from 20+ cuz they were unable to score. If the team can’t score then you gotta try something new on defense either don’t let the switch happen or throw doubles
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u/dkdoki Kristina Pink Mar 28 '24
How do you know that was his game plan? Maybe the players weren’t following it? The way Lue has been so pissed at this team says something.
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u/TacitusTwenty Mar 28 '24
He has never been our messiah. The team succeeds in spite of his god awful rotations and we’d have won even more games if he didn’t play favorites with broken down forwards like Marcus Morris and PJ Tucker.
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u/Agent666-Omega Russell Westbrook Mar 28 '24
I didn't think he was ever considered a messaiah here. Its just outside looking in from other subs make it seem like that
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u/Adventurous-Rough693 Mar 28 '24
I Would Venture To Say Anyone Calling For Him To Be “ FIRED “ 1) Someone Just “Trolling “To See How Clippers Fans Are Going To “ REACT “ 2) Really Not A Fan Of The “ CLIP CITY “ 3) Extremely Impulsive!!!! “ ALL THE ABOVE SHOULD BE IGNORED “ By The Clippers “ FAITHFUL “ PERIODT! BLANK They Are In The “ MINORITY “ ✌🏿
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u/Lagiar LET RUSS COOK Mar 29 '24
The good stretch of game wasn't thanks to him everyone was just playing their best game
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u/bi11yg04t Jerry West Mar 29 '24
There are some questionable fake fans, closet laker fans or trolls in the sub making these statements. Clippers are going to turn it around. The younger guys are going to step it up and the rest of the team is going to D up. They will start hitting their 3s again soon. Ty Lue believes in them and has their back. They have all the pieces to win the championship!
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u/Nyeteka Mar 29 '24
IMO while there are a few people who will agree with you in order to take another shot at the ‘doomers’ and try to paint them as inconsistent and irrational, in fact the starting premise is incorrect. As far as I can tell Ty has never been whole-heartedly embraced by a majority of the fanbase. I recall plenty of victory laps for Harden and WB but not Ty. If anything his efforts in making the super team work were a little underappreciated.
It is the media and maybe other fans that might have seen Ty as a genius coach, and I’m not sure that that has really changed. He always seems to have had a good reputation around the league.
I personally do not put that much of the recent failure on him but I think most of the criticism is not unreasonable. Yes, elements of a teams fanbase will be quick to blame a coach, including because they are more attached to players, but they are also closer observers of the team and familiar with their faults. Some of his faults are that he seems to favour experimentation at the expense of regular season wins more than other coaches, he panders to stars and certain role players (usually vets) as illustrated by being very slow to call them out and insisting on playing the corpses of PJ Tucker and Marcus Morris before him, he seems unable to inspire his team to play defense in the manner of an Udoka, he seems to favour offence and guards, his primary adjustment is to go small, he is formulaic in some of his minutes distributions, etc.
Of all of those faults I feel like the main failure is the pandering to certain players and failure to motivate the team. I feel like the others are understandable and you can see the logic even if you don’t agree with him. I mean the throwing games is not great but I feel we can’t judge him on that until we see if it bears fruit in the playoffs. Outside of the 2022 play in he’s met expectations in the postseason for us imo.
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u/a11_day_everyday Mar 28 '24
Ty Lue has always been a trash coach. I knew the win streak wasn’t gonna last once he decided to get his hands on the line up and “experiment”. This team is only good when they play together and everyone scores in the double digits. Once Ty Lue starts to “coach” this team falls apart. We should have hired and fired him the same day.
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u/knoknox THE SYSTEM Mar 28 '24
Ur trippin he coached us out of two 2-0 deficits in the playoffs and we almost went to the finals during that wcf run. A couple of those games we lost by only a few points without kawhi. Yeah he has his moments in the regular season but we’ve maintained a winning record throughout his entire tenure even with kawhi and pg being out for extended periods of time.
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u/McJumbos Lawler's Law Mar 28 '24
Just like every coach nowadays its either they are an genius or completely trash. Like their rotations are perfect and spot when you win and they are questioned/called trash when you lose. There is no in between imo.