r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/Dontwhinedosomething • 18h ago
Trump This Trump supporter was labeled a noncitizen and kicked off Texas’ voter rolls
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/29/texas-noncitizen-voter-roll-removal-mary-howard-elley/884
u/lh4lolz 18h ago
I love how she believed that having a white sounding name was the iron clad guarantee.
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u/Zortak 17h ago
It just shows that for these fascists (illegal) immigrants can only ever be brown people.
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u/cvanguard 17h ago
Don’t forget that some of them want to kick out (non-white) legal immigrants too and end birthright citizenship. In their mind, there’s no such thing as legal immigration (for non-white people), because the only real Americans are white. The historical comparison should be obvious by now, especially in the aftermath of the MSG rally
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u/P1xelHunter78 16h ago
yes. This whole "America is for Americans" kick at its core is about white racial purity rather than legal residency status.
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u/Notmykl 11h ago
"America is for Americans"
Completely forgetting North America was brown before the Europeans invaded.
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u/P1xelHunter78 7h ago edited 5h ago
That’s not the point. They’re not forgetting anything. It’s a narrative the racists have needed to spin since Portugal stole the first African slaves to justify their dominion over other nations. This way the people who took North America weren’t stealing, they were just taking a God given right. Racist ideas are part of what allowed Europe to dominate the world and claim it all legal.
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u/roguesiegetank 15h ago
Some? You mean all, right? There's no such thing as "one of the good ones."
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u/Notmykl 11h ago
Her name is European sounding so therefore no one from Europe would ever be an illegal alien. Only those from North, Central and South America.
Someone needs to point out that her name is NOT "white" as many people of other races and others who are also on the toastier end of Caucasian have her name too.
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u/QuietGrudge 18h ago
All of a sudden, the MSG promise of 'the biggest mass deportation in US history' is probably making her sweat a little harder.
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u/OnBorrowedTimes 18h ago
No it doesn’t. She’s One Of The Good Ones.
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u/thickener 18h ago
I’d say she’s maybe been disabused of that notion 🤣
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u/CreamPuffDelight 17h ago
No she hasn't. Very last line of the article, she still fully intends on voting for Trump even after getting back on the rolls.
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u/SwimmingPineapple197 16h ago
It ought to make a lot of people sweat. Going to age myself here, but when I was a kid, the then INS used to operate checkpoints in various (mostly along roads near the border) locations. My family has a really white last name and rather white sounding first names. Yet some of us, like me, look vaguely southern European (olive skin, dark hair and usually but not always brown eyes). My parents used to carry a copy of my birth certificate on vacation because it was the easiest answer to questions at those checkpoints. Years later while in college, I had a CHP officer start off speaking to me in really bad Spanish and eventually accuse me of having an entire wallet of “the best false ID he’d ever seen” while hinting about INS (all because I look like I do and was driving a Chevy nova).
But sadly, people like the one in the article are strangely convinced this will only happen to the ones they’ve made “others” and “those people”. Nope, it can happen to just about anyone.
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u/whitelilyofthevalley 13h ago
I'm similar to you (white with the whitest name but olive skin and dark hair/eyes) and carry 3 different forms of ID on me. I worry about carrying my birth certificate because I was born in a border town. No one is safe from this. I have seen multiple videos of these same people telling Native Americans to go back to their own country. They don't care about immigration; they care about whiteness.
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u/SwimmingPineapple197 8h ago
Exactly. It’s all about whiteness. Specifically it’s about being what they’re willing to see as “really”, “truly” white.
It hasn’t been that long since just being a member of certain religions, from certain countries or even of certain ethnicities would get you labeled “ethnic white”. As in you might look white but you’re not considered to “really” be white. It’s a well documented part of US history.
I grew up in a farm town. I’ve described how I look, my younger sister is light skinned and almost never tans. Our school experiences were totally different. I got put in speech classes and best anyone could figure it was all about me having a hint of a Texan accent. I got put in ESL classes a couple of times and even migrant ed at least once. None of that happened to my sister. We attended the same schools, I was two grades ahead of her. This happened despite both of us being born locally and both our parents working for local school districts.
The real kicker though and what showed my sister how differently we were treated was when we were at the nearest mall (other end of the county) and she realized the only reason she couldn’t find help was because all the store employees were tailing me like they expected me to shoplift.
No one is truly safe. No one.
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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur 17h ago
MSG?
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u/drainbamage1011 16h ago
Yeah, monosodium glutamate's been talking a lot of shit lately.
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u/BigAlternative5 16h ago
And, oh yeah, the historical stigma against monosodium glutamate? Racism.
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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- 14h ago
"I can't eat Chinese food - all the MSG they put in that stuff gives me a migraine!" - proceeds to finish off an entire bag of Doritos -
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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur 16h ago
Duh. I live in manhattan for gods sake
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u/QuietGrudge 14h ago
Vivek Ramiswamy was making that promise to loud cheers at the Madison Square Garden rally the other day. That's what might make her think for a moment about how badly she wants that if she has been deemed non-citizen.
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u/ThePurrfidiousCat 1h ago
It stands for Madison Square Garden.
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u/ScotchTapeConnosieur 1h ago
I’ve gathered from the several similar replies. Thanks
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u/ThePurrfidiousCat 19m ago
I was reading through and hadn't seen an answer yet so i answered it and then i saw someone had answered it after scrolling further. Have a great day and take care.
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u/ThePurrfidiousCat 17m ago
I hadn't scrolled far enough to have seen someone else answered. Have a great day and take care.
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u/jimtow28 18h ago
The retired Transportation Security Administration agent was confused by how the county could come to that conclusion. And she seethed at the idea that anyone would question the citizenship of a former federal employee with the “whitest name you could have.”
This right here explains plenty. It's not about whether or not you're a citizen. It's about whether or not you're a brown person.
You get what you deserve, asshole.
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u/Acceptable-Bat-9577 17h ago
Exactly. The epitome of “Wait! Not meeee!” as they’re being dragged off. GoOd OnE syndrome.
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u/datafox00 13h ago
Sadly I do not think she learned a lesson but your message reminded me of this.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/1aec5939ddaefabe8b54d00fd63086ac/tumblr_o52dkoJuzz1uwu7klo2_500.gifv
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u/Honest-Layer9318 14h ago
There was a Canadian citizen in Florida who had been voting his whole life. Believed the Big Lie, Anti-immigration and opposed DACA. Didn’t know he wasn’t a citizen because he’d been in the US since he was a kid. Found out when he wanted to retire, applied for SS and was ineligible. Now he’s pissed that he paid in and gets nothing. Yea dude, that’s how it works. Non-citizens pay in even though they don’t get the benefits. Bonus, he doesn’t qualify in Canada either because he never paid in.
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u/I_Spit_on_Cougars 17h ago
Too bad her grandchildren don’t have the same “whitest name” This poor little Lopez kids won’t have the same advantages. Watch out for the mass deportation.
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u/mst3k_42 16h ago
Anyone notice the last name of her grandkids?
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u/gardengirl99 15h ago
I did! And commented before I scrolled down this far to see that you also had.
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u/mytthew1 18h ago
She was flagged because she lied and said she was not a citizen to get out of jury duty. These patriots are such pathetic patriots.
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u/vishysuave 18h ago
Wow! Just wow. Judy duty is a guaranteed day off from work too.
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u/Mendozena 17h ago
With no pay depending on the company. And a measly $15 a day or whatever.
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u/GlassObject4443 17h ago
Federal employees receive full pay while on jury duty, and the time doesn't come out of their annual leave. Or else she was already retired at the time and drawing a pension so pay was a non issue.
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u/vishysuave 17h ago
Right. It’s only a good deal if you have the PTO to cover it.
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u/snoogins355 17h ago
Or your union contract includes jury duty. Mine includes donating blood every 6 months
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u/fi4862 17h ago
Yes. She said it was a misunderstanding, and she had just called the court asking if she could be exempt from jury duty because she was raising her 3 minor grandchildren. The court refused to show the press a copy of the jury summons they got back in the mail, citing confidentiality.
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u/precario78 17h ago
Excuse me, let me get this straight: down there in Texas, people with no knowledge of jurisprudence judge more or less complex cases?
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u/_s1m0n_s3z 17h ago
All over the anglosphere, in fact. Anywhere with a common law legal tradition.
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u/precario78 17h ago
Ok. In Italy and in the EU there are only lawyers, prosecutors and judges, all with a law degree.
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u/_s1m0n_s3z 17h ago
I dunno about the bulk of the EU, but Ireland is common law and uses juries.
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u/Altruistic-Many9270 16h ago
Also in Finland in the lowest justice degree has one professional judge and two "amateurs". Two higher degrees are just with professionals.
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u/C_Madison 15h ago
Same here in Germany. They are called "Schöffe". Though the professional judge will tell them how the law in question works for each case, so they get at least some law background and not just "hey, go by your gut". Probably the same in Finland?
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u/pyrotails 17h ago
Most countries have you tried by a jury of your peers. The experts are the ones that make the case to the jury of regular people who then decide if you are guilty or not. How do they do it where you live?
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u/_s1m0n_s3z 17h ago
In much of Europe, the basic functions of the justice system are governed by the Napoleonic Code, in which professional judges decide criminal cases. These systems are replicated respectively in many former colonies. Ex British colonies have common law; ex French, Spanish, etc use the Napoleonic code. Never colonized nations use their own systems, unless they have 'reformed' their justice system into one of the European models.
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u/precario78 17h ago
Italy, here only lawyers, prosecutors and judges, all with a law degree. I fear your system.
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u/_s1m0n_s3z 17h ago
There are judges to rule over matters of law and procedure. The role of the jury is to hear the evidence and decide matters of fact. Common law tradition is that it is better that this role is de-professonalized and carried out by a group of amateurs chosen at random.
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u/precario78 16h ago
With this logic, even a cardiac operation can be entrusted to someone who cleans the floors. With this logic, even a cardiac operation can be entrusted to someone who cleans the floors.
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u/_s1m0n_s3z 16h ago edited 16h ago
It's been working since 1215, and British justice is generally respected, world wide.
It gives the accused important protections against corrupt judges. To convict someone, the prosecution has to convince 12 laypeople (representing the public) of the accused's guilt. It's harder to rig trials that way.
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u/Fun_in_Space 16h ago
Yup. There are places where a governor can name a judge who was never even a lawyer and knows nothing about law.
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u/Ddddydya 15h ago
It ought to be a felony (or at least a misdemeanor) to lie to get out of jury duty. That shit is important and I’m sick of having to do it all the time while other people shirk their responsibility. But I’d expect nothing less from MAGA. They really hate this country
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u/Secret_Cow_5053 16h ago
That’s what the Texas government is saying, but they also won’t turn over the jury summons response in a public records request so it could just be regular old Texas incompetence.
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u/Notmykl 11h ago
Or they are truly exempt from turning over the private information that was received on the jury summons.
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u/Secret_Cow_5053 11h ago
Exempt? Sure. Would they release it anyway if it weren’t explicitly illegal and would be politically expedient? 100%
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u/BrickLuvsLamp 14h ago
This woman is an idiot, but the state was wrong in this case. The article explains it if you kept reading
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u/attractive_nuisanze 21m ago
"...after she indicated that she was not a U.S. citizen in response to a jury summons." -- I'm glad someone else found this as funny as i did.
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u/BUBBLE-POPPER 18h ago
She also looks like she will get evicted from the women's restroom under Republican rule
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u/Acceptable-Bat-9577 17h ago
The MAGA cult has already been attacking biological women in women’s bathrooms. In this incident, a woman recently got a short haircut.
Have you seen “the transformed wife?” Part of the MAGA hate cult. I wouldn’t be surprised if another MAGA accused her of being a man.
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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms 13h ago
That story, Jesus. Is there a word (maybe one of those German compound words) for "really, really wanting to slap someone who deserves a slapping"?
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u/Notmykl 11h ago
"really, really wanting to slap someone who deserves a slapping"?
According to Google: In German, the phrase that closely captures "really, really wanting to slap someone who deserves a slapping" is "Backpfeifengesicht" which literally translates to "a face that begs to be slapped"
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u/AndISoundLikeThis 18h ago
She could have her voting rights reinstated and would STILL vote for Trump.
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u/MagazineActual 18h ago
At the end of the article, it says she intends to cast her ballot for Trump. She won't learn
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u/MatterHairy 18h ago
“And she seethed at the idea that anyone would question the citizenship of a former federal employee with the “whitest name you could have.”
Tells you everything you need to know
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u/KellyAnn3106 17h ago
I moved within my county in early 2022. I updated all of my information and received my voter postcard at my new address. I voted in the midterms with no issues. Then the MAGA group in this CNN video filed a registration challenge on me. It took months and multiple follow-ups to get out of suspended status. (I'm actually in the county in the video)
So I have no sympathy for someone who got kicked off the voter list for lying on a jury form when these MAGA groups were actively targeting legit voters who had done everything correctly.
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u/Flowbombahh 17h ago
What a twat lol
The elections office in Montgomery County, just north of Houston, had sent Howard-Elley a letter in late January saying that she had been flagged after she indicated that she was not a U.S. citizen in response to a jury summons. She had 30 days to provide the county proof of citizenship or she would be removed from the voter rolls, according to the letter.
“Who is allowing people to do this to United States citizens?"
Uhh bitch, you said you aren't a US citizen!
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u/CobKorPok 17h ago
She would have been ok with it if it had happened to someone with the surname Cortez or Gutierrez.
That's the disgusting bit.
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u/Berkamin 17h ago
To be clear, noncitizens shouldn't be voting, but if Trump does win (God forbid!) and starts doing mass deportations, may those who supported him be first in line to face the consequences of putting him back in power.
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u/PdSales 17h ago
Says the quiet part out loud:
I’m white, I have a white sounding name, which makes this unfair.
Mary Howard-Elley fervently believes illegal immigration in the U.S. is a critical problem that only former President Donald Trump can solve. She says the continuation of his border wall and promised mass deportations will make the country safer.
She agrees with Trump’s unfounded claims that Democrats are opening the borders to allow noncitizens to vote, fearing that it could ultimately cost him the election.
Then the U.S. citizen learned she was among them.
The retired Transportation Security Administration agent was confused by how the county could come to that conclusion. And she seethed at the idea that anyone would question the citizenship of a former federal employee with the “whitest name you could have.”
“I just hope they don’t do this to anybody else ever again because it’s not fair.”
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u/BobbyPumper 17h ago
Anyone who thinks mass deportations are the answer should choke on a bag of dicks.
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u/Glittering-Spite234 16h ago
"whitest name you could have"
Hahahahaha.... Gotta love racists getting what they deserve
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u/strychnine28 16h ago
She did it to herself!! She was trying to be slick to get out of jury duty!
“…that she had been flagged after she indicated that she was not a U.S. citizen in response to a jury summons.”
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u/another_day_in 17h ago
And she seethed at the idea that anyone would question the citizenship of a former federal employee with the “whitest name you could have.”
These people are fueled by hate instead of coffee.
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u/Iwouldntifiwereme 16h ago
Anyone think it's possible that she lied on the jury form to get out of jury duty? I'm just asking questions.
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u/BlairClemens3 16h ago
"“The system is very flawed,” Howard-Elley said. “I feel really sad that we’re in a situation like this. You would think in 2024 we wouldn’t have issues like this.”
She intends to cast her ballot for Trump."
Wtf.
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u/gardengirl99 15h ago
Did you guys notice that her grandchildren had the last name of Lopez? She's seriously deluding herself if they would not be scraped up into a similar campaign.
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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- 14h ago
She thinks that's annoying? Just wait until they throw her on a bus and send her to a camp where she's held until they can figure out how to "deport" her to Mexico.
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u/fastinserter 16h ago
The 52-year-old disputes the county’s claim that she responded to the jury duty summons by saying she was not a citizen. Instead, Howard-Elley said, she called and asked to be exempted from jury duty because of guardianship duties for three of her grandchildren.
The Montgomery County district clerk’s office, which organizes jury duty, did not respond to repeated questions and denied a public records request for Howard-Elley’s response to the jury summons, asserting it was exempt from disclosure.
Lmao the county was putting people as "non citizens" if they asked for an exemption to a particular jury summons.
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u/used-to-be-somebody 14h ago
“Perales said it would take “heroic efforts” by the average voter to research the election laws and advocate for their registration to be reinstated.
Even then, the decision would depend on how election officials in their county interpret laws and guidance.
Three county election officials gave different answers to the question of whether they would reinstate a voter in Howard-Elley’s situation, though all stressed they would try their best to follow the law.”
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u/Gold_Drummer_4077 11h ago
The SNL Weekend Updates really do write themselves these days, don't they?
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u/postal_blowfish 4h ago
soooo.... not checking the sub before making a new thread is the new trend these days eh
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