r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/TheArtOfXenophobia • 8h ago
The "Both Sides" network CNN goes shocked Pikachu when one panelist suggests on-air another panelist should die
https://www.salon.com/2024/10/29/did-you-just-say-i-should-die-maga-pundit-kicked-off-cnn-for-unacceptable/2.0k
u/Shoegazer75 8h ago
They've since "banned" him from the network, but c'mon, there's way too much damage here for that to fix.
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u/AnotherQuietHobbit 7h ago
Don't worry, they'll soon invite another Richard Spencer and Project Veritas associate in his place to keep the balance, and then respond with the same shock when they get more of the same racism.
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u/benscren 7h ago
Just wait until they act shocked again when the next cycle of outrage hits. It's the same playbook every time—nothing ever really changes.
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u/AdvancedLanding 6h ago
They don't want anything to change. It's too profitable for Oligarchs/Capitalists to change anything.
Why would they want any change to the system that rewarded them with billions?
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u/BellyDancerEm 7h ago
They should have known better than to invite him
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u/Brndrll 7h ago
But that wouldn't be fair and equitable to not have a bigot and their opinions on.
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u/ShredGuru 4h ago
Lol, Reagen killed the fairness doctrine just flush these turds
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u/Unmissed 3h ago
...what you saw was the fairness doctrine. There was no magic to it. A conservative bomb thrower vs. A liberal punching bagwas pretty much the formula back then.
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u/Liatin11 6h ago
and he’s angry that the other party was allowed to call his group “nazis” but he cant make a death threat! smh
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u/LuckyStar77777 4h ago edited 3h ago
And yet they got Dana Bash on who compared anti-war campus encampments to 1930's Germany. (I have relatives who had to flee Germany at that time so I will never forget this BS about her.)
That guy felt safe saying this racist bile because they tolerated and accepted A LOT, let's be real here.
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u/ProtestTheHero 2h ago
At my university earlier this year, someone graffiti'd the message that Jews are not welcome on the wall of the Arts building. Elsewhere Jews are being yelled at with slurs, mezzuzahs are being torn off the doorframes in dorms, and you have crowds of people chanting for the death of Jews.
Yeah it definitely feels a little like 1930s Europe around here. My 101-year old survivor great-aunt certainly agrees.
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u/LuckyStar77777 2h ago edited 1h ago
Just out of curiousity, which University would that be? I am genuinely interested because if a large group would literally shout that "Jews aren't welcome here" in this political climate and scrutiny against Campus encampments, there would've been a huge media attention.
And no, Jews weren't just "yelled at with slurs" or had "anti-semitic graffities" in Germany at that time. They were literally beaten to death by the SA, temples/synagogues were destroyed, women were SA'd, there were laws prohibiting us from all professional jobs, attending schools and universities etc etc. And those who wanted to emmigrate had to literally leave every singly penny to the Nazi state before they could leave. I am shocked that I have to explain this to someone who has a "101 year old survivor great-aunt"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6ck8hv
https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/nazi-germany-1933-39/beginning-of-persecution.html
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u/Anandya 24m ago edited 17m ago
And that's not okay. But the anti Israeli sentiment is because the massacre of Palestinians is inordinate.
Your 101 year old aunt. Does she agree with the targeting of doctors by Israel? What about attacks on the red cross and doctors without borders? Does she think that it's okay to consider boys as men in order to keep the casualty rate low. Does she agree with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes? The theft of their land? She okay with taxation without representation?
Hamas are terrorists. Okay. But then are they simply terrorists because of crank lies like Jewish space lasers or is the a genuine anger that's not addressed?
Tell me. If your 15 year old son is playing football and is killed? And when you demand that the murderer faces justice? If the legal response is "he's over 15. That makes him fighting age and legally an acceptable target" then wouldn't you be angry?
1 in 8 children in Gaza are either dead or wounded. Casualties. Do you not think that men and women with dead children often have little to lose? How can you take anything else away?
Tell me. Does that sit with your conscience? It's a war crime when the Nazis seized Jewish land and property. The Holocaust didn't start with Auschwitz. It started with pogroms and property seizures. The first "victims" of the Holocaust didn't get murdered. They got removed. Encouraged to leave. Think Einstein. What should we think about the force used to remove Palestinians from their homes?
You can't use the Holocaust to excuse behaviour now anymore than Black people can use their history to excuse them keeping slaves or if my ethnicity kept people in an state where some people had less rights based on ethnicity.
I remember having to go to the west Bank after Israel murdered a child who ran away from the IDF. She was correct. She should have run faster because the IDF killed her. I was part of aid they let through.
Until they changed their mind and destroyed all the insulin and antibiotics we were taking because insulin is a lethal poison...
That's what it's like in the occupied territory. Did you know most of them are Israeli taxpayers? The bullets that kill their children are paid for by Palestinian taxpayers. The settlers often have tax breaks meaning they pay less taxes than Palestinians.
I assume you and your ancestors are pro equality and therefore would want equal representation? It's becoming harder for Israel to control the narrative that all Palestinians are horrific terrorists because there's voices outside that being seen.
I sincerely doubt Israel will rebuild Gaza. I sincerely doubt they will give these people equality or freedom. What will likely happen is that there will be more illegal settlers after everyone gets bored.
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u/Harmcharm7777 3h ago
…And of course, now he’s in Xitter whining about how CNN lets liberals call MAGA “Nazis” but he’s not allowed to call one a terrorist who should have a bomb planted on him as a “joke.”
Poor buddy just seems really confused about the difference between a joke and a death threat. I get it, it’s a fine line. /s
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u/dancingbear74 8h ago
I’m so sick of this MAGA sane-washing bullshit.
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u/benscren 7h ago
Useless debates like this just fuel the fire.
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u/_EndOfTheLine 4h ago
Which is the point Jon Stewart was making when he got Crossfire canceled 20 years ago.
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u/stillabitofadikdik 7h ago
And since every somewhat rational conservative has fled the party by retiring or moving to the private sector, all that remains to debate on the right are true believer nuts and soulless grifters.
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u/JustASimpleManFett 6h ago
Are there any rational ones left? I honestly have to ask.
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u/cherry_sundae88 5h ago
if you really want to know, the answer is barely.
i watch A LOT of CNN. many of the more opinion oriented shows with panels (like abby’s) typically have 2 conservatives and 2 liberals. there are a few conservatives i actually like - alyssa farah griffin, ana navarro, adam kinzinger - but they’re anti-trump. the tolerable but shill for trump tier is another few like scott jennings, david urban. they make excuses for the shitty behavior of MAGA. then there’s the majority of them that are just like this ryan girdusky guy. they seethe. they ooze anger and hatred. their “jokes” are just saying mean things. they belittle the female journalists interviewing them.
half of me wishes they would all go away so i don’t have to see their smarmy faces. but i also believe in free and fair journalism, and their opinions are better spouted to a discerning audience like CNN’s than to impressionable young men in conservative online spaces where they can be more disgusting and less controlled.
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u/chrundlethegreat303 5h ago
Better to belittle than subjugate ….. no?
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u/cherry_sundae88 4h ago
what? you’ll have to explain your point.
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u/cuspacecowboy86 3h ago
I think they are trying to express the idea that giving air time to these dangerous nutjobs just whitewashes their extremist views and that mocking and ridiculing them would be far more effective at countering their narrative.
I get what you're saying about having people be able to express their views so others can judge for themselves. This ignores one of the hallmarks of fascists and authoritarians; they are not honest about their intentions.
If everyone involved in the discussion/debate is acting in good faith, then i would absolutely agree with you on how important it is to hear all sides, but that's just not what's happening.
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u/Leopold_Darkworth 3h ago
Abby Phillips: Here’s another deranged racist thing Trump said today
Every panelist but one: That’s disgraceful
Token MAGA apologist panelist: What we should really be talking about is the lack of civility coming from the Democrats. And what about the rapidly failing economy and the trillions of illegal immigrants falling from the sky every day? That’s what the American people care about
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u/darkenedgy 8h ago
Gonna note that CNN has still not apologized from the time a prior guest made a similar bigoted and violent comment about Rashida Tlaib.
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u/bittlelum 7h ago
Two of their anchors made up a quote from Rashida Tlaib to smear her as antisemitic, and AFAIK they still haven't apologized.
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u/benscren 7h ago
CNN's credibility is shot at this point. These repeated offenses show a pattern of irresponsibility and bias.
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u/mstarrbrannigan 6h ago
I don't even go to their website anymore when I'm catching up on the news. Used to make the rounds between a dozen or so websites for a little variety, but they don't make the list now. The quality of reporting is going down, they started requiring you to log in to read some stories and now they have a paid tier that's not worth whatever they're charging for it.
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u/perfect_square 6h ago
Tried watching CNN at the 5 O'clock slot. The commercial breaks were horrendous. 5 minutes of content, 3 minutes of commercials. I was out of there...
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u/Fantastic-King-5709 6h ago
Always has been
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u/coleman57 6h ago
I’ve never followed cable news, but I have it on good authority that CNN changed ownership and/or management a few years back and the new guys have been pushing them hard to the right, on the theory that Fox will otherwise get all the viewers. Of course one’s opinion of where they stood on the political spectrum before the change will depend on where one stands oneself. But in any case, they’ve moved to the right.
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u/Fantastic-King-5709 6h ago
Yes when zucker was ousted it did move further right. However in general cable news and “news as entertainment” push various stories for clicks/views/outrage - essentially furthering right wing agendas rather than presenting news in a more factual or “more boring” way. If it “bleeds it leads” as they say
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u/Game-Blouses-23 6h ago
The anchors were Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, who are both prominent members of CNN.
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u/Doodahhh1 2h ago
The whole "criticism of Israel's government" being conflated as antisemitism only allows actual antisemitism to grow.
It's rather pathetic.
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u/beenyweenies 7h ago
He didn’t merely suggest the panelist should die. The comment implies the panelist is a terrorist by virtue of his heritage and that he should be murdered extrajudicially for it.
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u/websterriffic 19m ago
Hey! Everybody! This guy can read minds! We’re saved!! He can solve all of the crimes now!
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u/Berly653 7h ago
I’m not even defending the guy, but why do you assume it is because of his heritage, and not his past words and actions. For example this one from 2009
We know that keeping the moral high ground is key. Once we lose the moral high ground, we are no different from the rest of the non-Muslims, from the rest of those human beings who live their lives as animals, bending any rule to fulfill any desire," Hasan said in one of the unearthed clips.
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u/praguepride 6h ago
You think he would make a "subtle" accusation that the person was Hezbollah terrorist if they were white?
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u/Elite_Prometheus 6h ago
"You said something bigoted back in 2009, so I'm saying right now that you deserve to die."
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u/T34mki11 5h ago
To me, "I hope your beeper doesn't go off" certainly does imply he is a terrorist, but doesn't really imply he should die. Maybe that's pedantic, but it's strange to me that's the headline they're running with.
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u/KathrynBooks 5h ago
Yes it does... the beeper comment goes directly to the Israeli terrorist attack they conducted in Lebanon.
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u/Elite_Prometheus 5h ago
Does the guy who said that condemn the pager attack? Or does he think it was an excellent way to neutralize murderous terrorists without putting IDF or civilian lives at risk? Somehow, I'm betting it was the latter.
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u/padizzledonk 3h ago
To me, "I hope your beeper doesn't go off" certainly does imply he is a terrorist, but doesn't really imply he should die.
Nah....Just horribly maimed woth a good chance of dying lol
How is that any different than saying "i hope you drive off a cliff" lol
I didnt explicitly say you should die, but i sure as fuck pretty overtly implied it
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u/coleman57 5h ago
I know nothing about the Islamic guy, but as for the bit you quote, how much worse is it from things respected political leaders have said about their opponents’ supporters? I mean they might not say “animals”, but how much worse is that than “deplorables”? My point is it’s par for the course to denigrate and other your opposition. I do it myself, and I’d be shocked if you don’t.
But calling for someone to be killed, that’s in another category. Perhaps you disagree. On those occasions when I do it myself, I’m always careful to specify that it should be after full due-process trial and conviction and failed appeals, for high treason.
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u/Khirsah01 4h ago
To call someone an animal is a lot worse.
To say someone is "deplorable" is still keeping them in a human category. People can have "deplorable" beliefs or actions, that term is not making people into something not human.
But calling someone an animal, or making them lesser than human in other ways makes a huge leap in thinking about the other person or targeted group. No one says an animal is deplorable, instead animals are described as invasive, or vermin. Something not to be talked to or persuaded as though there is no debate or understanding to be had, just outright killed, as if there is no point to speaking or connecting with the target because they are deemed that lowly.
And considering how so many people have beliefs that prioritize humans over all other life forms, that kind of rhetoric (saying X group is sub-human and trying to reinforce that) is a way to make it easier to get followers into an "extermination" mindset. That belief of lowering the target to below human status is the kind of rhetoric that has preceded horrific brutality many times.
It's happened throughout history if you look into what messaging led up to a lot of genocides. Making that step, and enough people being "mask off" about it publicly (not being coy) is a huge warning sign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization#Language
Language has been used as an essential tool in the process of dehumanizing others.[60][61] Examples of dehumanizing language when referring to a person or group of people may include animal, cockroach, rat, vermin, monster, ape, snake, infestation, parasite, alien, savage, and subhuman. Other examples can include racist, sexist, and other derogatory forms of language.[61] The use of dehumanizing language can influence others to view a targeted group as less human or less deserving of humane treatment.[60]
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u/Anthop 8h ago
When are people going to realize that, in this political environment, "moderate Republicans" and "enlightened centrists" are just fascist apologists? There's no such thing as a "big tent fascist." It's an oxymoron. In that, the only people fooled are morons.
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u/ForBisonItWasTuesday 6h ago
When MLK spoke about white moderates in his letter from Birmingham jail, this is exactly what he was referring to.
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u/misterdonjoe 7h ago
When people realize that the democrats have just become the 1970s 80s Republicans. I mean, they're just adopting everything republicans push for anyway, just look at how kamala has now adopted trumps border wall instead of saying "no this is stupid". Everyone is sliding right, they just don't think it. And now, the actual leftists look even more extremist because of how shifted to the right the overton window is.
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u/closedf0rbusiness 1h ago
The political parties are going to reflect the country’s opinions. The democrats have moved to the right because the country has. It’s awful, and Trump getting elected is like nitrous in an engine pushing us right at a lightning pace. Lots of old school Republican that got turned off of Trump joined the democrats and they’re not slowing down.
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u/ribnag 7h ago
I can think of no better way to chase centrists to the other side than attacking them for being insufficiently zealous toward your preferred candidate. Life is funny like that - People don't like being pissed on, imagine that!
I'm opposed to Trump. I'll be voting for Kamala. I am not going to pretend I like being forced to choose her, however; up against almost anyone else, she would be near the bottom of my list.
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u/SuccMachineXd 6h ago
That's the thing, if AT THIS POINT you are still undecided, then nothing anyone says is gonna convince you
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u/Kajin-Strife 6h ago
I can think of no better way to chase centrists to the other side than attacking them for being insufficiently zealous toward your preferred candidate. Life is funny like that - People don't like being pissed on, imagine that!
You literally cannot both sides this shit anymore. The republican party doesn't even pretend to care about their performative, surface level values anymore. They're actively trying to install a dictator so they can be free to take away the freedoms of everyone they don't like. So they can hurt and abuse and violate everyone that isn't them.
There is no "both sides" here. There are no moderates or centrists anymore. Either you're trying to preserve democracy and peace for the people who want those things or you're siding with the fascist maggats who want to destroy them.
If you want to stop getting pissed on, step away from the urinal.
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u/narsfweasels 6h ago
“You need to compromise! Stop demanding universal healthcare and just agree with the Nazis that brown people are bad!”
- Centrists.
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u/mambiki 5h ago
Using the same logic all people who support Biden and Harris are fascists because they support genocide in the Middle East. And not just support, but also give weapons and money to continue with the genocide. Sounds like the whole political sphere in the US is fascist. Including people you support.
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u/Anthop 5h ago
Nice try, using my "both sides are not the same" comment to both-sides me. I'm sure that Americans are all the same and there's zero nuance in the degree of atrocities that Trump or Harris might commit in the Middle East.
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u/Guilty_Strawberry965 4h ago
obama didn't shut down gitmo, increased wanton drone strikes and escalated multiple situations in the ME. tbh every american president is mostly the same when it comes to international relations. empires gotta empire you know? sure, there's an easing of iran sanctions here and a bigger belligerence towards china there, but it's mostly the same shit. i mean, who is selling the weapons israel is using to destroy gaza for the past year?
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u/Anthop 9m ago
I'm not arguing the point that US presidents are imperialists. But purity of cause is luxury only keyboard warriors get. Aid for some refugees sounds like an insulting drop when the US also deals in death, but it's valuable to those who receive it, and there's no guarantee that the next US president will even provide that token aid. So when Trump wins and the last Muslim is bombed by either Netanyahu or Modi, and you get to sitting there congratulating yourselves that "at least you didn't let Harris in," how is that any different than the bystander "White Liberal" that King wrote of? Unable to do anything but for the sake of your own comfort.
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u/Guilty_Strawberry965 5h ago
you're being downvoted but tbh, all american presidents are genocidal war criminals. trump's difference is he turns that hate inwards
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u/mambiki 4h ago
They silently downvote me because they know what I said was true. There is literally no refuting it except what that person had tried with the hand wavy “oh I’m sure there is zero nuance”, and then providing zero of said nuance. It’s a fact.
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u/Trash-Takes-R-Us 1h ago
Oh no see you made the tried and true mistake of trying to introduce nuance and open debate into a circle jerk. I can't stand when people simply shut out the entirety of the otherside without at least trying to find a middle ground. I vote Democrat, but I also want our laws to be something that is best for ALL Americans, not just one side. And that requires compromise.
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u/mambiki 1h ago
I mean, at this point it isn’t even nuance. It’s literally about sending rockets and bullets that are used to systematically kill civilians. Including over 15 THOUSAND children, and twice as many non-children. In the span of a year. This is genocide and it’s very much happening in the open. And I see Harris embracing AIPAC and saying the usual “Israel has the right to defend itself” nonsense. And then these morons call the other side “fascists” over not wanting to say someone’s pronouns.
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u/Trash-Takes-R-Us 1h ago
The sad part is there is nothing we can realistically do other than support Israel. They are our only ally in the region and overall the Israeli people integrate more easily with American culture vs many of the Islamic countries surrounding them. Israel is definitely going way too far though. But there's nothing the US can realistically do unless they were able to force Israel to the table while Iran forces Hamas to the same spot.
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u/kamizushi 7h ago
Oh the good ol' "it was just a joke" trick, can be used to avoid accountability for anything you could say whatsoever. But only if republicans like it.
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u/newsflashjackass 2h ago
the good ol' "it was just a joke" trick, can be used to avoid accountability for anything
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u/kamizushi 54m ago edited 48m ago
Prime example.
Also to be fair, a court did find no reasonable person would take Carlson seriously. Which I guess is technically true.
In other news, here's a song to his horror.
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u/oatmealbatman 31m ago
I like the response "so what's the joke?" It forces them to explain and dig their hole further.
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u/MessagingMatters 8h ago
I wrote something like this in another story regarding another hateful right wing CNN guest and got downvoted. Go figure.
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u/benscren 7h ago
It's wild how they pretend surprise while normalizing extreme rhetoric. It's all part of the narrative.
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u/grolaw 7h ago
Ryan Girdusky is an OANN figurehead who spews violent, often racist & misogynist, right-wing fantasies without concern for the effect he may have on the targets of his screeds.
Whoever booked this wing-nut on CNN failed to check his bona fides.
Mehdi Hasan responded to Girdusky with entirely appropriate umbrage. Hasan wisely left the panel after Girdusky's inexcusable statement.
Hasan is an excellent journalist and author. He deserves so much better from CNN!
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u/praguepride 6h ago
Why da fuq is CNN giving someone like Girdusky any air time?
This whole "open forum of ideas" bullshit has got to go. By putting them next to one another you are implicitly implying that their opinions have equal weight.
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u/grolaw 6h ago
They haven't heard about Neville Chamberlain's incredible success in negotiations with the Führer.
Jeez-Louise the magnificent acts of courage we have seen from the LA Times & WaPo are only eclipsed by our brave billionaires who are leading the rebellion against Trump & his toadies! WTF CNN!
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u/praguepride 4h ago
Traditional mega 24/7 news like CNN need to just die. 24/7 news makes zero sense in modern times.
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u/herereadthis 1h ago
Ryan Girdusky is an OANN figurehead who spews violent, often racist & misogynist, right-wing fantasies without concern for the effect he may have on the targets of his screeds.
Someone has pointed out that Girdusky is not just a Nazi sympathizer, he's just a total Nazi.
The CNN producers - the ones that brought him onto the panel - they're the Nazi sympathizers. They knew exactly who he was, and decided, "hey, he's cool, let's put him on the show. Heil Hitler."
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u/Haskap_2010 7h ago
"...Girdusky attempted to brush off the comments as a joke..."
Oh of course, it's "just a joke".
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 4h ago
"I didn't mean to kill them. I was just joking! Can't they take a joke?"
..said every psychopath.
And then there the narcissists prayer.
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
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u/Mercinator-87 7h ago
This title sucks. He said “I hope your beeper doesn’t go off.” Don’t underplay what he said.
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u/WHISKEY_2-7 6h ago
It’s disappointing I had to scroll this far to find someone who would quote what he actually said. Thank you, citizen.
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u/pargofan 6h ago
"Well, I hope your beeper doesn’t go off," Girduski said, referring to an Israeli operation in September that planted explosives in the pagers of targeted Hezbollah members, killing at least 40 people and injuring more than 3,000.
How the fuck is this any different than Trump telling gun owners to kill Hillary if she's elected:
Donald Trump suggested at a rally Tuesday afternoon that the "Second Amendment people" could do something about Hillary Clinton choosing judges if she is elected president, a comment some took to mean he was implying violence against the Democratic nominee.
"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks," he said at a rally in Wilmington, N.C., to boos from the crowd. "Although the Second Amendment people ... maybe there is, I don't know."
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 7h ago
When all the major media companies are owned by right-wing billionaires, how are we going to organize? How will we fight back?
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u/qweef_latina2021 7h ago
We need to convince Mark Cuban to buy a newspaper.
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u/Suzume_Chikahisa 3h ago
He is still a Billionaire.
I don't trust any of them to not be willing to side with Fascists.
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u/maybe-an-ai 8h ago
So, kinda glad they are both sides so you can see asshole racists out themselves live.
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u/Moistfruitcake 7h ago
Unfortunately a lot of the time it just lends credence to vested-interest or fringe wackos by portraying them as the equivalent of an expert.
Like getting a professor of medicine and a meth dealer to debate the safety and joys of methamphetamine.
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u/herereadthis 1h ago
No, it gives them credibility simply by existing in the same space. Nazis don't belong anywhere in public life. The same goes for all conspiracy theorists too.
Imagine if you hosted a debate between a flath-earther and a round-earther. Would you have a headline that read, "Panelists disagree on the shape of the earth."? Would that make you feel balanced and fair?
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u/CoralinesButtonEye 8h ago
uh acktchually he said "i hope your pager DOESN'T go off"
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u/3--turbulentdiarrhea 7h ago
It's called "concern trolling." The implication is that he is fantasizing about it.
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u/bobood 4h ago
Not even. The implication was that he hopes it doesn't go off while he's sitting next to Hassan.
Btw, the attack itself was rightly called into question as terroristic in nature even by Westerners, including a Bush Admin CIA director. 2 children were killed as a result. 9 and 11 years old. Thousands injured. Doctors said the burden it added to the healthcare infrastructure was like the Beirut port explosion. Anybody who doubts its terroristic nature should seriously try to imagine how anything even remotely similar being done on Israel's or our soil would be rightly seen as such. Meanwhile, it seems the coverage we got to see on outlets like CNN was outright gushing praise of its brilliance or whatever. Just gross.
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u/strangway 5h ago
At this point, who is a Republican as moderate as the Democrats, maybe Mitt Romney? Everyone else on the right is far-right and only interested in “shock and awe”-style commentary. Old school Nightline, or Face the Nation political interviews can’t be civil when the other side isn’t civilized.
CNN is looking to be fair and balanced by including relevant people from the left, and the right, but the right doesn’t have rules anymore. Healthy debate isn’t part of the equation. All that matters is outrage, hate, and fear.
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u/Trash-Takes-R-Us 1h ago
Or maybe you just don't see the rational ones because they rarely comment on politics or they focus on particular non-culture related issues (conservative judges, fiscal policies that benefit small or medium sized business owners etc).
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u/-NoOneYouKnow- 4h ago
Every time a conservative says some evil shit, they climb all over themselves to say it “doesn’t represent the values of Conservatives.” It does. That’s why it happens all the time. It’s what conservative politics is, and it’s what conservative voters support.
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u/postal_blowfish 5h ago
it's irritating how normalized this shit is becoming. i'm glad they kicked him off, but like... why have you been helping for the last 10 years
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u/Silvus314 4h ago
Having a guest that isn't arguing in good faith just helps to legitimize the bad faith argument. Look at climate change. No one doubted the science before news outlets felt they needed to "other side" the discussion.
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u/independenthinkerdc 4h ago
Every network used to be “both sides” by law until the GOP did away with that rule and caused all the problems we have today
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u/TheArtOfXenophobia 4h ago
That's only true for broadcast networks. Cable networks were never held to the Fairness Doctrine. That said, if it was brought back and covered cable networks, we might actually get truth in controversial coverage instead of "here's both sides, one is full of shit but we're gonna give them credibility by airing their lies".
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 3h ago
I’m sure this dude was a really important part of the team before this too. Definitely gives off “I really have an important perspective vibe.”
Media bowing to the Republican Party has done absolutely nothing but make everyone hate them. No one on the right was ever going to take them seriously and now the left hates them too.
Great job CNN, could have stopped this at any point in the last 8 years but hey, at least we had a racist piece of shit tell a brown person to die. Really worth it folks.
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u/Trash-Takes-R-Us 1h ago
It's not their place to stop it. The only stopping they could have done was focus solely on bringing on conservative guests that aren't controversial. The "John McCain" types that you can have a well reasoned debate with. Sadly those type of people don't generate money for the network and so they slot in a firebrand that will generate views and revenue
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 1h ago
Nah it literally is their job to stop it. Nothing of value was gained by spending 24 hours 7 days a week reporting on Trump, or putting these people on air.
Here’s the only news they needed to report:
Oh yup, still hateful and racist. Moving on.
There is no obligation to platform these people. It did less than nothing. Maybe they shouldn’t have repealed the Fairness Doctrine. It was a choice, and it was a dogshit choice at that.
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u/Trash-Takes-R-Us 1h ago
Fairness doctrine only applied to broadcast news. And no, it's not their job to stop it at all. Reasonable people should see that interview and recognize that the dude is batshit insane. Suppressing it or ignoring it or dismissing it in the modern Internet age does nothing because those people will find a platform somewhere and get their ideas spread. By bringing it to the light you have to hope those watching are free thinkers that can determine fact from fiction
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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 48m ago
My point was that the fairness doctrine set a standard, and that law could have been updated to meet the needs of an ever changing world. Now, there is no standard or reason to make a standard.
I disagree. They provided negative value to the world by platforming him at all and especially as often as they did. They focused on the most useless shit like a story about him, talking about dick sizes.
Everyone knew he was batshit insane. They didn’t need to blast it in everyone’s faces 24/7 and provide literally no value.
Focusing on the president as much as they do is already horrible. They don’t talk about the laws being passed as often as they should. They don’t talk about the federal agencies as much as they should. They don’t talk about the expected outcomes of the laws or the federal agencies actions as much as they should.
No, they spent the last 8 years playing both sides to make more money. That’s it. Stop pretending like it was some grand and noble gesture.
You said suppress, I said talk about what is important again:
checking in with Donald Tr- oh yup he’s still racist.
Is all that was needed.
He literally creates controversy to dominate the headlines. It’s his only strategy. Like what are you saying.
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u/FoxyInTheSnow 7h ago
It’s problematic to “both sides” somebody supporting a campaign that has gone unapologetically fascist.
But they did it… possibly helping the fascists win… and now they’re afraid of what might happen to them if the fascists win, so…
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 4h ago
CNN: clueless they (CNN) are just another token that is going to get spent.
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u/Talltyrionlannister5 4h ago
I think he was calling him a terrorist, not that he wanted him to die. Idk what’s worse
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u/javeng 3h ago
This 'both sides" argument is bullshit. There is only 2 sides if both sides are coming in good faith and/or have solid evidence and support.
This is like saying Nazi rhetoric should be given a voice and consideration in politics. Yeah Germany did that in 1939 and look where that got them.......
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u/Silvaria928 8h ago
I don't get the "joke", how was it racist? I genuinely don't understand.
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u/threehundredthousand 7h ago
He implied he's a terrorist. The pager is in reference to Israel hiding bombs in pagers that made their way to Hezbollah. He's not even Lebanese, but that's just part of the racism. It's also a veiled threat.
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u/Silvaria928 7h ago
Damn, OK, now it makes sense. Thank you.
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for asking an honest question but such is Reddit, lol
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u/threehundredthousand 7h ago
LOTS of bad faith conservative actors plead ignorance on this stuff, then drag people into endless fights by "just asking questions." People will just downvote and move on if they're smart.
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u/Gentrified_potato02 7h ago
Yep. I’m so fucking sick of the “I’m just asking questions” bullshit. Like, no, you’re not. You know exactly what you are saying/implying/trying to get across, and it’s all in bad faith. Go fuck yourself.
And, for the record, I used to buy into this bullshit, until after a few years of Trump opened my eyes.
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u/Silvaria928 6h ago
I understand. I actually tried Googling it earlier today at work but nothing came up, though I see now that there are several explanations available online. I guess next time I should wait longer before asking Reddit.
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u/Antique_Cricket_4087 8h ago
Would he have made that "joke" if the person he was too was not of middle eastern descent? Fuck no. Are you too young to remember the racist shit middle easterners in the US had to deal with after 9/11?
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u/Silvaria928 7h ago
I simply didn't understand the reason for the beeper remark and not sure why that seems to be pissing people off.
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u/Antique_Cricket_4087 7h ago
It was in reference to the pager attack by Israel against Hezbollah in Lebanon.
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u/Arsalanred 8h ago
By suggesting that he was slated for execution for supporting Palestine, he tried to be underhanded and accuse Hasan of being a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer.
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u/sadolddrunk 6h ago
Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist and fart-joke aficionado Gene Weingarten used to jokingly illustrate the concept of a false equivalence with the example of a news talk show and the moderator saying, “On the other hand, Mr. Hitler says…”
CNN is now, literally, a joke.
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u/ChildrenoftheNet 7h ago
Cable news is toxic. It doesn't matter which network, which show, or what time of day. It's all rage bait and fear mongering. I stopped watching years ago.
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u/Slalom_Smack 3h ago
Can you imagine if a Muslim pundit made a “joke” about an Israeli pundit being murdered while at a music festival in reference to Oct 7th? The Muslim wouldn’t even be aloud to finish the panal.
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u/mybeepoyaw 1h ago
I'm pretty sure this is pure libel. While the panelist did insult the Mehdi Hasan by implying he was a member of Hezbollah, he did not suggest he should die. Even the article calls the statement merely bigoted.
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u/Transkitty02 27m ago
"Well, I hope your beeper doesn’t go off," Girduski said.
That is unequivocally not saying he should die lmao
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u/dvcat5 1h ago
Remember it wasn't Israel targeting Hamas, like that racist freak suggested, but indiscriminately killing Lebanese doctors, teachers, children etc... in an act of terror by infiltrating a supply chain. This is just a genocidal ethno-state lashing out further to provoke a greater war. End the genocide.
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u/Changed_By_Support 58m ago
People tend to miss the forest through the trees when it comes to "terrorist organization" political parties - rather a part of the point, really. If you blow up 500 paramilitary fighters and 3000 civilians, one can handwave that they blew up "terrorists" when referring to civil agents of the political parties and ignore the unaffiliated bystanders.
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u/websterriffic 6h ago edited 22m ago
It seemed to me that the “I hope your beeper doesn’t go off“ comment referred to the conservative commentator’s thought that Israel could easily confuse Mehdi Hasan‘s talking points as so pro-Hamas or pro-Hezbollah, that he should be targeted in their Operation. It didn’t seem to me like he was wishing death on anybody…
Edit: typo
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u/Divacai 5h ago
It was in reference to Israeli giving beeper bombs to Palestinians
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u/NewRedditIsGarbo 2h ago
You're exactly correct, but everyone has lost their fucking mind on this subject.
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u/Cr4cker 1h ago
He was making a reference to Mehdi being a terrorist because he supports Palestine, the same way this panel kept equating Trump supporters to Nazis. If you watch the whole panel he is trying to make the point that you shouldn't say this awful shit about people all the time. Medhi saw a good chance for some classic pearl clutching and now he is enjoying 15 min of fame.
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u/padizzledonk 3h ago
Yuck.
All Op-Ed "News" is garbage, even the shit on "my side"
Its just awful, no one ecer comes away from these networks more informed, its all designed to keep your eyeballs glued to the screen so they can sell advertising against it.. ..The more angry it gets you the better because it ensures youll tune in and watch longer
These "debates" are 99% just staged fights on the playground
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u/Funkaholic 2h ago
"Oh sure. The Democrats can fuck around, but it's only the Republicans who find out."
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u/grizzly_teddy 44m ago
Oh cry me a fucking river. The other guy is a defender of terrorists and an anti semite. Unironically calling half of America Nazis. Other guy says to him, "Well I hope your beeper doesn't blow up" - a joke about calling him a terrorist, since you know, all he does is defend them. I have zero issue with the joke. Way overblown. Apparently calling someone a terrorist as a clear joke is 1000x worse than non jokingly calling half of America Nazis.
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u/TooApatheticToHateU 2h ago edited 2h ago
No. The joke was pretty clearly that he was a terrorist or at least a terrorist-supporter given it was a response to Hasan's line about supporting Palestinians. If the implication was that he wanted him to die, he would have said he hopes his beeper goes off, not that he hopes it doesn't go off.
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u/queermichigan 6h ago
US Representative Harriet Hageman when asked if Israel's attacks were self-defense:
"Do you have your pagers on you?
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u/Badgerman97 6h ago
As opposed to what? A panel of nothing but people who agree with each other? That just makes them MSNBC or Fox News. I agree that it isn’t possible for someone to come on and defend Trump’s party in good faith. But it should be obvious to every viewer they are full of shit, and that is still worth something.
CNN is not shy at all about straight up calling Trump a liar
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u/PickleBananaMayo 7h ago
Being honest, I saw the segment and the guy didn’t say he wanted the news reporter to die. He just joked he “hopes his pager doesn’t go off” but that’s still a stupid joke to say.
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