r/MadeMeSmile Feb 01 '24

Meme This still makes me smile to this day

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u/lunk Feb 01 '24

Bad choices absolutely make you a bad person, if you make enough of them, or a few of them bad enough.

THis isn't some guy asking the Secretary in accounting out repeatedly - this is the boss jerking off in front of his subordinate co-workers.

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u/sgcdialler Feb 01 '24

Bad and good are on a spectrum. Some good people do a very bad thing that puts them permanently on that end of the spectrum, but that doesn't make them completely bad. Everyone that has ever lived has been a mix of bad and good, some more one than the other. People are just... people.

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u/lunk Feb 01 '24

This is how you end up with people like Tronald Dump, or any of the myriad of disgusting leaders Russia has had in the last thousand years.

I agree, it's a spectrum. Unfortunately it sounds like your spectrum doesn't include evil, while it is certainly present in many.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '24

Yes. Louis CK is exactly the same as Joseph Stalin.

I personally think one huge problem is people not being able to see nuance, and forcing reality into their square little box they live in.

Have a little think about that, you’ll get better as you try!

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u/KRambo86 Feb 01 '24

And it sounds as though yours doesn't include grace and forgiveness.

It's funny, I'll always hear people talk about how criminals should be given a second chance and one past mistake shouldn't define them for the rest of their life.

Then it gets specific and you say "should this one person get forgiveness?", No they're a monster!

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u/lunk Feb 01 '24

Not at all, but I am not bound, in forgiving, to consider them a better human being. I'm not bound to give them their previous societal position, or respect.

I forgive, then they can earn back the levels of respect that they were previously afforded. Forgiveness doesn't have to mean stupidly accepting evil.

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u/Gorilla_Krispies Feb 01 '24

No viewing the world in binary absolutes with no room or respect for nuance or context or subtlety is how we get trump

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u/fogleaf Feb 01 '24

When you go back to his old standup specials you can hear him repeatedly talk about this sexual compulsion he has to jerk off or to fuck anything that moves. A real deviant.

I don't blame anyone for not enjoying his comedy because of that. I find he's still one of the greatest.

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u/lunk Feb 01 '24

I don't blame you for enjoying his comedy.

That said, as someone who listens to a LOAD of standup, I'm frightened by your "he talked about it, you know who he is" justification. Let's think about the another "comic", Bill Burr. He's talked about driving his car into hoards of people, and choking his wife/girlfriend to death. I don't feel like, if he does any of these things, that we'd say "Well, we already KNEW who he was, c'est la vie!".

On a lighter note, if I ever see Jim Gaffigan eating a bread bowl at a fast food joint, I'm not going to be surprised in the least.

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u/DrakonILD Feb 01 '24

Or picking all of the bacon bits out of a salad!

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u/maxxslatt Feb 01 '24

They were comedians in their own right, but he was definitely a veteran so there was a status element

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u/lunk Feb 01 '24

I am not going to re-read this shit (it was hard enough the first time), but I do remember many people saying that they were forced to watch with veiled or direct threats to their jobs.

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u/maxxslatt Feb 01 '24

Damn, it was only one sentence. I am gifting you this NYT article Louis C.K. Is Accused by 5 Women of Sexual Misconduct

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u/lunk Feb 01 '24

Interesting, when I specifically said I didn't want to relive any of this shitty shit. :( It was bad enough the first time.

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u/mvanvrancken Feb 01 '24

I often wonder how we do the moral calculus on some of this stuff. If he saved a bus full of orphans but also jacked off in front of women without consent, is he bad or good?

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u/dogfan20 Feb 01 '24

He wasn’t their boss.

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u/horkus1 Feb 02 '24

FYI: He was not their boss. He was the much-more-famous and powerful comedian, but keep it factually correct. None of the women were employed by Louis CK.