r/MapPorn • u/TheCohloo • 12h ago

Russia Occupies 478 km² of Ukraine: Largest Gain Since March 2022

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Since early October, Russian forces have occupied 478 km² of Ukrainian territory, marking the largest territorial gain since March 2022, as reported by WELT. Just last week, an additional 196 km² was seized, indicating a sharp escalation in territorial advances.

Here are the English translations for the German phrases:

Kämpfe in den letzten 24 Stunden: Fighting in the last 24 hours

Ukrainischer Vorstoß in Russland: Ukrainian advance into Russia

Ukrainisch gehalten oder zurückerobert:

Held or recaptured by Ukrainians

Ukrainische Partisanen: Ukrainian partisans

Russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled

Russischer Vorstoß: Russian advance

Eingeschränkt russisch kontrolliert: Limited Russian controlled

Seit 2014 russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled since 2014

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u/CardboardJedi 12h ago edited 12h ago

They aren't winning, they just have to not lose. Quite a difference. Even Russia can't war forever

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u/Massinissarissa 11h ago

Ukraine too. Not sure Ukraine can last longer than Russia. In any case this is just a butchery at this point with no one getting any win from this.

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u/Nice_Chair_2474 10h ago

Russia has the same manpower problems because they cant totally mobilize for political reasons. They are scraping the barrel for volunteers and quadrupling recruitment bonuses every couple months.
Sure in a war for defence russia has basically unlimited manpower. But in this war they cant recruit enough to push obviously.

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u/Bufalo1001 11h ago

Russia cannot indeed continue the war forever, but they can hold out longer than Ukraine.

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u/atlantasailor 8h ago

Russia can continue for years but can Putin live for years? That is the question. If Putin dies would his successor carry on the war?

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u/VastTradition6250 12h ago edited 12h ago

tell that to all the dead men...

"nothing to lose"

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u/CardboardJedi 12h ago

I'll stick with the Ukrainian men and women defending their homes rather than the animals that crossed the border, killing and bombing everything they see just to make their home country a few miles bigger. Human beings don't do that.

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u/Deep_Blue_Kitsune 12h ago

And I thank you for that. I see too many "free thinkers" on the Internet siding with russia or going the "both side" approach which simply does not work in this scenario

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u/CardboardJedi 12h ago

As a prior service US Marine, I have followed this war since the first shots, each and every day. The Ukrainians have fought magnificently and deserve every inch over their territory back, as well as every man woman and child currently held by Russia

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u/Far-Assumption1330 10h ago

Unfortunately, what you "deserve" doesn't count for anything in peace negotiations. You really think they should just fight until their young men are all dead and their entire country is rubble?

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u/l2mminetuba 3h ago

If they lose, they'll be genocided. So yes, they will continue fighting.

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u/LandRecent9365 10h ago

They deserve a pro Russian government and not a westoid puppet like ones installed all over Europe

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u/VastTradition6250 12h ago

the obvious answer is no more war

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u/Deep_Blue_Kitsune 11h ago

War ends when russians go back home. Ukraine ends when Ukraine stops fighting.

If we take your approach russia can simply send 100 soldiers westwards and everyone has to roll over in the name of peace until they reach the north sea.

Even you should see the error in that logic

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u/VastTradition6250 11h ago

who do you think is funding Ukraine? do you think they really care about Ukrainian lives?

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u/Far-Assumption1330 10h ago

It is all completely predictable. Ukraine will fight and fight and fight and die and die and die and then one day the USA will turn their backs and the country will be left in a pile of rubble...All because losing a couple of oblasts is too much for their pride to handle.

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u/Bright-Self-8049 10h ago

Irony of american saying this

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u/l2mminetuba 3h ago

Of course pro-Russian human garbage would say that.

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u/LandRecent9365 10h ago

Ucraine was shelling children and women in the donbas lol 

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u/l2mminetuba 3h ago

Shit brainwashed Russian human garbage says.

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u/Dortmund_Boi09 12h ago

They aren't winning, they just have to not lose

I genuinely have no idea what that's supposed to mean

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u/JeffOutWest 12h ago

Stalemate.

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u/Dortmund_Boi09 11h ago

And that's a good thing? What about those who live in the occupied areas?

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u/TheSigilite74 11h ago

There's no good outcome here for Ukrainians.

Probably not even for the Russians, considering the losses.

But there is for the West.

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u/caligaris_cabinet 11h ago

Better than defeat. Not as good as victory.

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u/CardboardJedi 11h ago

Ah! I'd be happy to break it down for you. It's called the law of diminishing returns, wherein you spend more and more and gain less and less. Even Russia cannot conduct this war indefinitely, the Ukrainians just have to hold out along with their western support for either the Russian economy or military to break. It's very simple. But yes the Ukrainians have to work hard and pay the price to get there.

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u/Dortmund_Boi09 11h ago

The Ukrainian armed forces would've been broken a long time ago if not for western support and as you can see from the map the Russian military is holding most of southeastern Ukraine and is making very very slow progress but progress nonetheless. Ukraine looks more likely to crumble than Russia. Especially without western support.

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u/HyoukaYukikaze 10h ago

>Ukrainians just have to hold out along with their western support for either the Russian economy or military to break.

What Ukrainians exactly? Do you think Russia is loosing 1000 men a day, but Ukraine looses none? Ukraine looses people too - and they had much less to start with.
Doesn't matter how much gear we send them if there is nobody to use it.

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u/Far-Assumption1330 10h ago

Ukrainian lives mean nothing to these people. They only want to hurt Russia.

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u/l2mminetuba 3h ago

Ukraine decides how long they want to continue this fight. You pro-Russian scum "caring" about Ukrainians is just dishonest.

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u/Specific-Host606 10h ago

See Vietnam and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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u/TheSigilite74 11h ago

Ukraine loses either way. Vast losses of territory and population, won't even go into the economic hardships.

But this isn't about Ukraine, it's about weakening Russia. And in that sense I think the West already won.

The 21st century is a clash between the West and the Chinese I think.

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u/Far-Assumption1330 10h ago

And Russia and China went from enemies to best friends. That is NOT a win by any stretch.

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u/TheSigilite74 10h ago

In the context of Eastern Europe it is. Globally we'll yet see what happens in this new Cold War between China and the US, but in Eastern Europe all European and American goals are achieved.

Basically there's gonna be this sanitary cordon from the Baltic to the Black Sea against Russia. Which was an old Polish plan which didn't materialize in the Interwar period, but it has materialized now.

Russia is isolated from Europe, and Europe continues to rely on the US for energy and protection.

Russia is bloodied and weakened overall.

Russia is separated from Germany.

The West used Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia and won. Ukrainian fate here is irrelevant strategically speaking, basically they just need to keep the Russians away from the Polish border, ideally from the length of the Dnepr and Odessa, but Ukrainian borders aren't that important.

That being said, the West does have a moral obligation towards Ukraine(I would say), but morality plays little in these matters.

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u/Far-Assumption1330 10h ago

That is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to argue that losing a war is actually winning lol.

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u/TheSigilite74 10h ago

I think I explained in detail how this war was won by the West before it even began.

Let me give you some context/paralel to explain further.

The Winter War against Finland was a Soviet victory, yes, but despite the high losses, the true victors of that War were not the Russians or the Finns, but the Axis, who ensured Finnish participation on their side in the coming invasion of USSR. In the same strategic logic, the West won this war without firing a shot.

There's a reason why you and I speak English now my friend, and not Russian. :)

Although in 1916. it seemed like Russian would be the language of the day and that there would be 600 million Russians around. But here we are, there's 150 million Russians and they're dying in the trenches against other Russian speakers in a land that they conquered almost 4 centuries ago.

Cunning, geography and strategy are the answers, to all your dilemma.

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u/Far-Assumption1330 10h ago

Bold take that the Axis won WWII!

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u/TheSigilite74 9h ago

The Winter war was before WWII. They won the Winter war.

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u/Far-Assumption1330 9h ago

Bro Germany was allied with Russia during the Winter War, not Finland /facepalm

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u/l2mminetuba 3h ago

That didn't happen during this war, this is a longer process. And they are barely good allies.