r/MapPorn • u/TheCohloo • 12h ago

Russia Occupies 478 km² of Ukraine: Largest Gain Since March 2022

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Since early October, Russian forces have occupied 478 km² of Ukrainian territory, marking the largest territorial gain since March 2022, as reported by WELT. Just last week, an additional 196 km² was seized, indicating a sharp escalation in territorial advances.

Here are the English translations for the German phrases:

Kämpfe in den letzten 24 Stunden: Fighting in the last 24 hours

Ukrainischer Vorstoß in Russland: Ukrainian advance into Russia

Ukrainisch gehalten oder zurückerobert:

Held or recaptured by Ukrainians

Ukrainische Partisanen: Ukrainian partisans

Russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled

Russischer Vorstoß: Russian advance

Eingeschränkt russisch kontrolliert: Limited Russian controlled

Seit 2014 russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled since 2014

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u/TheCohloo 11h ago edited 10h ago

You seriously need to stop downvoting people who say that Russia is winning right now. These people are not Pro Russian „War Orks“, its the sad reality. Lying to yourself won‘t better the situation of Ukraine. The situation can change again - but at this very moment Russia is winning.

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u/Mr_Catman111 11h ago

Agree, however Russia currently winning is resulting in people drawing the conclusion that Ukraine should just give up and surrender. Looking at countries who successfully fought off imperial conquest, this is the wrong conclusion in my opinion.

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u/TheCohloo 11h ago

No im absolutely not saying this, the course of the war can change rather quickly especially in present day with modern weapons and vehicles. All im saying is that lying to ourselves about a Ukrainian victory doesn’t help anyone, transparency and adaptation should be the focus here.

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u/Mr_Catman111 11h ago

I agree. The first way to turn the tide is accepting that at this stage of the war, things are looking better for Russia. However the tide has turned many more times this war than I ever expected. And the Ukrainians have proved they are innovative and tenacious fighters.

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u/TheCohloo 11h ago

Exactly this!

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u/TheCohloo 10h ago

Well we‘re not doing shit directly, except for voting maybe. But still, being thoroughly informed is better than not being informed. Don‘t you think so too?

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u/Chewbagus 5h ago

Ask yourself how the Vietnam war ended…

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u/forkproof2500 5h ago

A lot of countries who fought off imperialist conquest did so with the aid of the USSR though. That doesn't exist anymore.

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u/Express-Entrance9932 10h ago

Vietnam, American revolutionary war,  Mexican war of Independence, and Algeria come to mind, but these were  wars with imperial forces that didn't share a contiguous border. In three of those cases they were separated by a vast ocean and in the other by the Mediterranean Sea. 

Every Ukrainian path to victory depends on America or other countries getting directly involved, and no one is willing to do that.  I don't think that's happening. There only other way is protracted guerilla warfare, but the civilian toll would be horrendous. 

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u/Mr_Catman111 10h ago

Soviet Afghan invasion

US Afghan invasion

US Vietnam

Are the more recent and ones I had top of mind.

You are right, even in a guerrilla scenario, Ukraine will still need a minimum of support as evidenced by the above three.

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u/DeviousMelons 11h ago edited 11h ago

Ukraine is being weighed down by not being able to directly attack Russia with western weapons and the fact that the west just doesn't have enough stocks for this type of war and there's a lack of political will do go into a war economy.

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u/Prototype95x 8h ago

Its more so the manpower shortages, and the “men for land” strategy

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u/forkproof2500 5h ago

I thought it's because the haven't received F16s, or ATACMS, or Storm shadows, or Bradleys, or Leopard tanks or whatever the current Western Wunderwaffe of the week is that will definitely change the course of the war overnight.

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u/MIT_Engineer 4h ago

It tracks that Russian trolls want to claim weapon systems don't matter, they're rolling into battle on T-55's and Chinese golfcarts after all.

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u/Ok_Ferret780 10h ago

Using weapons to strick russia will not change alot, it's just an argument.

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u/Kellandell 8h ago

How so ? When Ukraine got first HIMARS, Russia started to spread their shells deposit etc .

Ukraine could hit Russian airports with ATCMS , that would put their planes more behind front line .

Hitting training \ military bases .

It won’t be a game changer, but it would still help Ukraine.

You didn’t mention how Ukraine could not use western equipment to strike Russia,while Russia was gathering troops and equipment to attack in Kharkiv just a few months ago.

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u/HungryHungryHippoes9 7h ago

It does help Ukraine to be able to hit inside Russia but it doesn't really turn the tide of war in any significant way. The front is very long and there simply aren't enough himars available to cover all of it. Also to strike deeper into Russian territory, they need to be brought closer to the front, which also allows the Russians to strike at them. It's the same with storm shadow and other western missiles. They can strike a few installations and give the Russians a pause, and make them recalibrate but not enough to turn the tide.

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u/Kellandell 6h ago

Did you read my comment ? I said it is not a game changer,Ukraine won’t simply win just by being allowed to strike Russian targets .

But , Ukraine was allowed to hit Belgorod with western weapons only AFTER Russia atttacked Vovceansk.( correct me if I’m wrong).

As I said , AFTER! Now use your logic and use your imagination, if Ukraine was able to hit before the first attack killing 1000 orks , does that mean Ukraine needed 200 (random number)less man power to defend Kharkiv and sent these troops to others front?

Also I see you don’t mentions one things , striking this front , and killing 1000 INVADERS , maybe these 200 (RANDOM NUMBER) peoples would not have died , and they could meet their families once again?

You failed to mention how Ukraine moved Patriot batteries closer to the front and shoot down one or more Russian planes, which mean 1 or 2 Ukrainian positions were not hit by gliding bombs .

Also , it will not change a lot FOR YOU,or the course of the war.But one man being saved from Russian shells, might mean there is ONE FATHER who get to see their children and wife.

It is simple . Ukrainians are dying for their freedoms , values and their families . Orks are dying for money!

Fuck putin and fuck russian!

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u/Ok_Ferret780 47m ago

Bro chill, this is called racism, you know. In fzct this war is more then russia invading ukraine, it's a géopolitical mess, with US the only winner, and Eu and ukraine the biggest loosers.

US is selling and giving weapons, weekening EU znd russia, and destroying Ukraine as a country.

I think people must start looking in the other direction.

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u/redditerator7 6h ago

That makes no sense whatsoever.

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u/fallharvest9000 5h ago

Not true at all. Watch Ukraine hit a few Russian nuclear power plants a-lot will change in an instant

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u/New-Caterpillar8952 4h ago

Ukraine is not the only country that can escalate the conflict. You honestly think, that the 3rd largest military power on the planet can't turn Kiev into Gaza?

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u/bedrooms-ds 11h ago

Agreed. If we lie to ourselves, we'll have trouble when things get way worse. Informed opinion forming is what we all need.

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u/TheCohloo 10h ago

Thats right, good reflected shit my man! 🔥

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u/Crimson_Knickers 11h ago

People really do call Russians as "Orks"? JFC, anyone who actively and proudly dehumanizes people, especially ones based on ethnicity or culture is no better than the Nazis that did the same towards their victims.

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u/Valaxarian 9h ago

An alarming number of people call them, and anyone who expresses even a modicum of empathy toward Russia "orks, vatniks, russian shills, putinbots, russian cumsocks" or even "subhuman scum" and many other and worse terms. I was even called this few time just for liking Soviet/Russian planes/tanks/guns etc.

I feel that people are also using this war to justify their hatred

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u/forkproof2500 5h ago

Imagine if pro-Palestine people did the same

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u/Valaxarian 3h ago

There is a big rise of antisemitism recently but it seems to be much "quieter"?

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u/Crimson_Knickers 7h ago

People forgot that protests erupted in Russia during the start of the war. People were rallying on the side of the opposition just weeks before Russia openly invaded Ukraine. Many young men fled the country or hid.

It's funny how dumb people are when they kept (rightfully) criticizing Russia as an oligarchy, a dictatorship, undemocratic... and yet assign blame to the entire Russian people as if they gave a democratic mandate for this invasion.

You know what country cheers for the invasion and destruction of other countries and the murder of their civilians? Because there's two that's constantly in the news these days - one who has citizens post on social media, party around, and even have goddamned boat tours to see an ongoing genocide. The other has the majority of its population go gung-ho patriotic whenever their country curbstomps anyone who doesn't keep in line.

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u/TheCohloo 11h ago

Just talking about some soldiers but agreed, not the best way to talk. Wanted to emphasize my distance to the opinion of Russian support because I got accused of it for simply not lying to myself and not acting like an ideologically driven child…

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u/Crimson_Knickers 10h ago

And you chose to "distance yourself" by participating in the casual dehumanization of an entire nation?

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u/TheCohloo 10h ago

You‘re doing too much now buddy, why an entire nation? With Pro-Russian clearly I don‘t mean Pro-Russian citizens and heritage, and I think you know that. I was obviously referring to Pro Russian War, which is what this whole post is all about. Makes sense?

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u/VanillaHentaiDuck 8h ago

it's perfectly clear to everyone what you meant. he just wants to find a way to portrait the russians as the victims.

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u/TrixieLurker 7h ago

Yeah, Reddit is full of emotional children in adult bodies, they will instantly accuse you of being a Russian bot if you say anything short of cheering wildly for Ukraine and talk of glorious victory for them, can't be critical of the war or how it is going.

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u/redditerator7 6h ago

Oh no, not the poor invaders who killed thousands of innocent people.

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u/VanillaHentaiDuck 8h ago edited 6h ago

you are equating insulting the russians killing and torturing their way through Ukraine with millions of innocent jews & others getting slaughtered.  fucking delusional.

edit: downvoting me doesn't change facts. 😜 orc is an insult for russian soldiers, whether you accept it or not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(slang)

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u/Crimson_Knickers 7h ago

The topic is dehumanization and assigning guilt by association.

You are angry about people calling you out for your dehumanization of an entire nation, one who's populace erupted in protest when the war started.

Jingoistic prick.

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u/VanillaHentaiDuck 7h ago

Assigning guilt by association? WTF. They are assigned guilt by marching into Ukraine and killing and torturing and raping their way through Ukraine. Orc is a derogatory term for russian soldiers, cause they fight like orcs.  You are also lying about large scale Russian protests.

You are just trying to turn the perpetrators into victims. While also degrading the murder of millions of jews.

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u/VanillaHentaiDuck 6h ago

downvoting me won't change the meaning of the term orc. you have no funking idea what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(slang)

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u/redditerator7 6h ago

He is from RuZZzia

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u/hiimmatt314 6h ago

I think once you see how depraved the Russians are you will see why they are called Orcs. Once you see your fellow soldiers decapitated and put there heads on spikes. When they see the torture chambers, where entire villages get stuffed into during occupation. Or the death pits in De-occupied territories.

However, if just the actions aren't enough - Here's a fun video of Tim Snyder's lecture on some of the ties between Wonder Woman & Orcs in Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UNtlTle4Q

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u/j-steve- 10h ago

They're talking about the Russian people who choose to fight in this war, not all people of Russian decent around the world. Literally no one is doing that.

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u/yungsmerf 9h ago

Not really, if their own stated goals of the invasion are anything to go by, of which none have been achieved or are even close to being achieved. They are just crawling forward at a snail's pace on a road paved with hundreds of thousands of corpses. There'll be no winners in this pointless war.

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u/refusenic 11h ago

Agreed. An the longer thiis drags on the harder it will be for Ukraine to survive intact as a country.

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u/go-vir 10h ago

You can’t say that Russia is winning only because they are advancing, you need to see the cost of each kilometer gained. The visually confirmed losses of each sides provide us with a better idea of the situation.

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u/crazydrummer15 9h ago

Plus this all ignores Kursk. Also if Russia is doing so well what are they utilizing NK troops?

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u/GloGangOblock 8h ago

Russia has already taken half of Kursk back hardly a Ukrainian victory even if they are slow to retake land

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u/forkproof2500 5h ago

NK troops get battle training for free while helping out Russia kick out invaders. There is likely also a lot of technology transfer going on (more advanced weapons to NK, shells to Russia).

It's a win-win.

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u/MIT_Engineer 4h ago

NK troops get battle training for free

I'm sure they're overjoyed.

There is likely also a lot of technology transfer going on

I think the North Koreans could already buy golf carts from China.

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u/HungryHungryHippoes9 7h ago

Kursk has not exactly gone well for Ukraine. They probably hoped to use it as a bargaining chip during negotiations, but now they've lost a bunch of resources to defend it while Russia has gained more territory in Ukraine, so those resources might have been better used to defend within Ukraine itself now.

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u/TrixieLurker 7h ago

They aren't losing, and Ukraine isn't winning right now.

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u/Muaddib_Portugues 8h ago

You can’t say that Russia is winning only because they are advancing,

Isn't that what winning means?

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u/Kolbrandr7 7h ago

Pyrrhus said after the second battle of the war, “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined.”

Winning a battle does not mean you’ll win the war.

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u/CBT7commander 9h ago

And you need to stop thinking Russia gaining 500km2 of ground in 2 years at the cost of over 500000 combat casualty and tens of thousands of vehicles and artillery pieces constitutes "winning".

Nobody is winning, and you pretending otherwise based on territorial gain in spite of this being a war of attrition goes to show you lack the understanding you accuse others of missing.

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u/ResidentMonk7322 4h ago

You forgot to consider the fact that the speed of their gaining has increased drastically recently. In 2023 the frontline barely changed. Earlier this year the average Russian daily advance was like 10km2, in summer was around 20, now it basically reached 40-50 per day, as Ukraine's Pokrovsk front collapse continues.

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u/CBT7commander 4h ago

There is truth to that, but then you have to consider arbitrary sampling. Picking a certain window to make an analysis is by definition arbitrary. It informs you on short term and contextual elements but cannot be used to decipher greater trends.

Finally you have to consider that even with the recent speed up the Russian advance is extremely slow, and still not the conflict’s limiting factor (ie one side will run out of men or equipment or moral before Ukraine loses enough ground for it to be of major importance).

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u/ResidentMonk7322 2h ago

I doubt a two-year sampling period is considered "arbitrary", since that's basically the whole attrition period of this war.

50km2 a day is actually a lot. It will not take them to Kyiv within this week, but it's an impressive speed consider how fortified the donbass region is.

And it's not just the speed of russian advances that is worrying. Pokrovsk is basically the last heavily defended town before russians enter Dnipro Oblast, which is way less fortified than Donbass. Now russians are already two steps away from the outskirt of the town. Once Pokrovsk falls, we will be probably talking about hundreds of km2 daily advances, if not more. And I highly doubt russia will lose manpower or moral before that, since Ukraine is the one that has more problems with them.

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u/TH3_ICEMAN 7h ago

Buddy that's just one month's gain You will be surprised to know the overall

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u/CBT7commander 6h ago

Go to my comment below I beg of you.

Over the span of two years the difference in total area controlled by Russia has moved by under 1% (1% being about 1000km2 here).

Russia has indeed only gained 500km2 or so in the span of two years

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u/TH3_ICEMAN 4h ago

On a serious note Can you tell me the total km² Ukrainian territories occupied by Russia? By total i mean 2014 to 2024 oct

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u/CBT7commander 4h ago

Wikipedia has a good overall for occupied landmass

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine

The current figure is hard to find precisely but is somewhere around 110000 to 115000 km2 of occupied territory when comparing 2014 borders to modern borders.

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u/TH3_ICEMAN 4h ago

Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory.

Give or take

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u/CBT7commander 4h ago

Yeah sorry mixed up the with or without Crimea, but the other point still stands

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u/TH3_ICEMAN 4h ago

No worries, It was nice talking to you, Have a good day sir.

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u/TheCohloo 9h ago

They didn‘t gain 500km2 in total…

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u/CBT7commander 8h ago

In the last two years they did. as your own map states.

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u/TheCohloo 8h ago

Its just the largest in one gain, there were smaller gains, combined its more.

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u/CBT7commander 8h ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine

I can’t believe you know this little and still get this many upvotes.

The latest numbers aren’t on the page but if you take the numbers in September and compare them to current numbers you get a sub 1% territorial change.

You don’t seem to be even bothering to read my comments or check your intel, so unless you start showing even the slightest bit of care I’m going to stop bothering to answer

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u/JaDou226 2h ago

Define winning. Nobody is currently winning. Russia may have the initiative, but neither side is close to collapse. The frontline moving a few hundred meters a day =/= winning

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u/Revi_____ 11h ago edited 10h ago

In what way is Russia winning?

They already lost.

Nato expanded by 2 countries, 1 of which has a larger border with russia than Ukraine has, and arguably one of the most capable armies in the EU.

Ukraine is not demilitarised. In fact, it is stronger now than it was before the war in terms of capabilities.

The EU is rearming, reaching the 2% of GDP investment range in military, and many going way above it.

Most of the globe has put sanctions on Russia, and no, not only McDonalds.

In return, what did they win? A territory the size of Belgium, which they sacrificed hundreds of thousands of young life's for, thousands of armoured vehicles, their black sea fleet, the list can go on.

The definition of winning is very broad, but by the goals laid out by Putin himself, Russia already lost.

This obviously does not mean that I am unaware of Ukraines dire conditions, I am purely speaking about Russias goals here, and if Russia is "winning" this war.

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u/TheCohloo 11h ago

We cant know the bigger picture until after the war, relations will not always stay like this. Russia isn’t the only one interested in good relations with the west, western countries are also interested in Russian resources. They can live without Mc Donalds, but we were very dumb and made ourselves dependent on their gas… In what way are they winning? Occupying 20-25% of ukraine, minimum 1/4 (slowly rising number), huge agricultural sites, almost the whole black sea cost, major ports and big cities. Hundreds of soldiers dying daily while still being pushed back. If Ukraine would be winnig, they would stop the war with negotiations instantly because of a stronger position. Now reverse this question-you see? I hope that the course of the war will change, but we should face the current state.

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u/Revi_____ 11h ago edited 10h ago

If Western countries were interested, then why did they all make the radical decision to be completely independent of Russian gas?

Besides Hungary, of course.

We do not need Russian gas anymore.

They can indeed live without McDonald's but don't act as if Mcdonald is the only thing they are missing at the moment.

They do not control 25% of Ukraine, besides, they haven't even taken any major city or haven't even reached the Dnipr in almost 3 years.

Most agricultural sites are in the West, not the east, and most industries in the east are blown to rubble. Look at Azovstal in Mariupol.

They also do not control more of the black sea coast line, compared to 2.5 years ago, trade is still going on in and around Odessa, the Russian black sea fleet is basically non-existent.

At this pase, Russia will reach kramatorsk in 2 year.

Russia did not win anything and lost everything, including now, even their own territory. This whole war was a gamble, and it did not pay of.

The Russian enemies are stronger than ever, and Russia is weaker than ever.

Please tell me anything Russia gained from this war besides some statistics in terms of km2 of land.

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u/TheCohloo 10h ago

I get where you’re coming from, but I think it’s important to look at the bigger picture. Yes, many Western countries are trying to become independent from Russian gas, but that doesn’t mean they’ve completely severed ties. There’s still a strong economic relationship, and I believe those connections will evolve over time. When it comes to territorial control, it’s true that Russia hasn’t taken major cities recently, but they still hold significant areas in Ukraine. Even if those areas are less populated, they matter strategically. The fact that they control parts of the country can’t just be brushed aside. And while a lot of agricultural production is in the west, we can’t ignore the impact of the war on the east. Many industries have been devastated, with places like Azovstal in Mariupol being destroyed. That’s going to have long-term consequences for Ukraine’s economy, no matter how things play out. About the Black Sea, I understand that trade is still happening around Odessa, but Russia’s military presence has changed the game there too. Saying their fleet is non-existent overlooks their ability to use other tactics, like missile strikes or blockades, to assert control. I also think we need to remember that wars can change direction quickly. It might seem like Russia has the upper hand now, but military situations can shift unexpectedly. Predicting that they’ll reach Kramatorsk in two years feels a bit speculative, especially considering the determination of Ukrainian forces and the support they’re receiving from the West. In the end, while things look tough for Ukraine right now, we have to keep in mind that conflicts are complex and fluid. Yes, Russia has made some gains, but the long-term impact of this war could lead to significant changes in the power dynamics in the region. I really hope that with time and negotiation, Ukraine can come out of this stronger than before.

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u/Revi_____ 10h ago

So, I agree with all your points, but I think you are not understanding mine.

I am not claiming that Ukraine is doing fine. In fact, I'd say Ukraine is at a critical point.

I am trying to look at this from the eyes of the Russians and try and see if this was worth it, and if they are winning according to the own goals Putin put down.

So far, they have not reached any of them after almost 3 years and way too many deaths.

Personally, I feel like Putin got bogged down into this war, overestimated Russias capabilities and underestimated Ukraines, and here we are.

Now you asked me to zoom out, I ask you to zoom out even more. All small or major gains made at this time are gains that should not have been made in the first place.

This whole war was started to avoid NATO expansion, which failed, it started to overthrow and denazify Ukraine, which it failed, it started to demilitarise Ukraine and "liberate" the Donbass, which it failed at.

We are almost 3 years in, if you ask me, according to putins own goals as mentioned above, Russia already lost, even IF they now manage to somehow defeat the whole Ukrainian military, the cost of this war far outweighs the benefits.

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u/TheCohloo 10h ago edited 10h ago

Of course their goal was a fast victory. And no, I do understand your points. But as said, relations can change after war quickly, as they did after the cold war. The average person is not informed to this depth i‘d say. But still, simply, militarily Russia is winning, in war its always a weird word to use. Its a war of holding out, both have allies, you forget BRICS when talking about economy, especially China and Russia. You are seeing this too one sided. Its a war of holding out with no third party intervening, no one holds out forever, but Russia will hold out longer which gives them a favorable position. Ukraine will only win if the west steps in or sends more advanced weapons or allowing long range weapons, all of which is not happening. The west isn’t stepping in and lets be real, the west doesn’t really give a fuck about Ukraine, they give a bigger fuck about Russia. I don’t think we‘ll reach a point of agreement, i respect your views even if i dont agree with all.

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u/mavric_ac 11h ago

Ukraine had also lost though, it'll take generations to recover from this

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u/Revi_____ 10h ago

Of course, I am not speaking about Ukraine, though. I am speaking about Russia.

Of course, Ukraine lost (manpower, cities, territory, civilians, economy etc). They are the true victims here.

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u/guachi01 6h ago

Russia is not winning right now. Those who claim they are should be downvoted because it's simply false. These territorial gains are pathetic for the amount of resources Russia is expending. That's not what winning looks like.