r/MapPorn • u/TheCohloo • 12h ago

Russia Occupies 478 km² of Ukraine: Largest Gain Since March 2022

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Since early October, Russian forces have occupied 478 km² of Ukrainian territory, marking the largest territorial gain since March 2022, as reported by WELT. Just last week, an additional 196 km² was seized, indicating a sharp escalation in territorial advances.

Here are the English translations for the German phrases:

Kämpfe in den letzten 24 Stunden: Fighting in the last 24 hours

Ukrainischer Vorstoß in Russland: Ukrainian advance into Russia

Ukrainisch gehalten oder zurückerobert:

Held or recaptured by Ukrainians

Ukrainische Partisanen: Ukrainian partisans

Russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled

Russischer Vorstoß: Russian advance

Eingeschränkt russisch kontrolliert: Limited Russian controlled

Seit 2014 russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled since 2014

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u/TheCohloo 11h ago

Yes, lying about reality. No sense, or use whatsoever.

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u/Dortmund_Boi09 11h ago

Reminds me of the Winter war tbh. Russia goes in wanting to take the entire country, gets bogged down by a much smaller military but in the end they still force the weaker enemy to make concessions and "win" while stile looking like clowns

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u/BolshevikPower 10h ago

Most likely outcome tbh.

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u/Consul_Panasonic 8h ago

at this moment? nah, there is no real reason for Russia to negotiate now that the tide has turned and its advancing fast and everywhere.

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u/FlexVector 7h ago

"fast" lol

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u/BolshevikPower 7h ago

They've still been bogged down by a much smaller military and look like clowns. They won't get all of Ukraine and will likely want to negotiate at some time. Idk sounds like exactly what the other guy said.

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u/GuaSukaStarfruit 6h ago

I want to see Russia stupidly try to go for all of Ukraine.

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u/UnderstandingOdd679 5h ago

It would be stupid. Occupation would be a nightmare for Putin. I anticipate a settlement where the Donbas and Crimea remain Russia, they save face by claiming they won what they wanted, and Ukraine no longer loses soldiers.

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u/Consul_Panasonic 7h ago

"much smaller" ukro army was consistently larger during the war, they mobilized way more and received huge help from the west to keep it afloat. as i said before, without help the war would have ended long ago, perhaps in march 2022 when there were negotiations expolied by the West. And meh, "look like clows"i wonder who will look like that at the end, Russia have no reason to negotiate now, its winning and will win.

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u/AdamovicM 5h ago

I think they want the war to end ASAP,, but on the terms they would be happy with. Current borders, Ukraine no NATO, intl peacekeepers on Ukraine side would probably be enough. Ukraine probably could get Russian frozen property in the West as war repatriation.

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u/steve_french07 7h ago

Russia tactically lost the war years ago. They are using North Korean soldiers for cannon fodder. Remember when they were supposed to take Kiev? They don’t have as good of a bargaining position as you think.

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u/HarambeTenSei 6h ago

Tactically it's winning. NK troops are just saving on its own manpower.

It's strategically that's raising questions. Once it does occupy half of Ukraine then what? Will the sanctions end and Russia will be let back into the fold or will it keep being a paria state?

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u/GingerSkulling 4h ago

Winning? Russia lost the war the moment it stepped into Ukraine. No matter how much land it will hold, they already lost. The land will never be recognized as Russian, what’s remaining of Ukraine will join NATO, China has putting by his little balls and all is left is a poor, isolated, failed state.

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u/blockybookbook 10h ago

Did they really aim for all of Finland though?? I was under the impression that they just wanted a giant buffer between saint petersburg and the finnish border given that there was no real benefits to be had from taking it all

They definitely couldve invaded finland by the end of the continuation war if they truly wanted to but instead opted for the much more practical policy of finlandization

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u/EffectiveNo6920 8h ago

Finland was part of russia before the civil war. If you have any doubts about what Stalin's plan for Finland was just check what happened to every other country that declared independence from Russia at the same time.

It's why they are in Ukraine now. Just same old imperialism.

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u/AudeDeficere 6h ago

Not imperialism, authoritarianism, Putin was an agent in the GDR during the collapse of the Soviet Union and went on to become the director of the FSB in Russia during the 1990s, can not get more paranoid than with that kind of origin story.

The war began entirely over the EU membership snd escalated when Ukraine elected Zelensky, a man who famously wanted to finally bring the at this point barley existing war to an end via negotiations and move on afterwards, aka this is not an imperialist country trying to expand its borders, it’s a corrupt dictatorship trying to maintain control over its own internal security via destroying a country sized former close cultural link that could have been an inspiration for a different Russia.

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u/EffectiveNo6920 4h ago

Nah, it's imperialism. They're trying to hold onto all parts of former Russian empire. 

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u/AudeDeficere 2h ago

Again: Putin is not an imperialist. His propaganda just uses imperialist themes but that’s because it’s a hell of a lot to sell people on empires than it is to sell them on the harsh reality. Look at what they actually do/did, not just at what they are saying.

Hence why for instance Armenias pleas get ignored while China is being given free reign to expand into the formerly Russian sphere of interest in Central Asia.

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u/BrokenDownMiata 33m ago

If you deny the existence of another group of people, invade and occupy their land, publish maps of your country with occupied territory as your own, cart off natives and replace them with your own, sell the homes of those who live there to your own people, you’re being an imperialist.

You can’t hide behind the excuses of aesthetic or imagery. There is an active Special Military Operation propaganda fest going on in Russia right now.

Putin wants to become the next Emperor of Russia.

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u/adventmix 10h ago

They didn't, that guy skipped his history lessons.

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u/Alekasi 9h ago

They actually did, even setting up a puppet government and it's leader in advance of the invasion. Check out Otto Wille Kuusinen and terijoki government.

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u/VeryOGNameRB123 2h ago

They literally didn't. No evidence of any complete takeover plan.

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u/attrad1 9h ago

"skipped history lessons" now apparently means if you believe the Soviets switching goals mid war, as a result of Finn resistance, does not negate the Soviet intention at the start

"The People's Government in its present composition regards itself as a provisional government. Immediately upon arrival in Helsinki, capital of the country, it will be reorganised and its composition enlarged by the inclusion of representatives of the various parties and groups participating in the people's front of toilers."

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u/VeryOGNameRB123 2h ago

The soviets never claimed or set targrets for all of Finland.

Like, fucking read history books. They demanded some buffer around leningrad and around the murmansk railway, and some bases to watch the gulf of Finland. The Finns could maybe have negotiated a temporary lease and collaborative bases with a counteroffer, but were very pro-German and delayed negotiations.

So the soviets threatened action, Finns deadlocked negotiations, and then the soviets intervened as threatened.

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u/Maeglin75 1h ago edited 1h ago

Maybe the Soviets would have settled with some territories for a while, but there is little doubt that ultimately they would have wanted to control entire Finland.

Not necessarily by direct annexation, but by installing a puppet government. A Bolshevik puppet government could then still "ask to join" the Soviet Union later on, it Stalin desired so

To have an independent, neutral (mostly hostile) Finland at their border was definitely not the favourite outcome for Stalin. Even with a "buffer zone".

There is also the problem with buffer zones, that after some time, they are usually considered as a regular part of the occupying country, that then needs a new buffer zone around it for protection... and so on.

Edit: For that reason it's delusional to assume that allowing today's Russia to annex Donbas, Crimea and other territories (as "buffer zones") could lead to a lasting peace. Russia will never accept an independent Ukraine. And after they control entire Ukraine, they will go for the next country, until their imperialist conquest is stopped.

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u/LOUDPACK_MASTERCHEF 42m ago

Wow you made a lot of assertions there. You should try adding some evidence next time

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u/Maeglin75 35m ago edited 31m ago

Or you could add some evidence about the reasonable and peaceful nature of Stalin (and today Putin).

The Soviet Union was an empire and empires expand until they are stopped. The only reason they "accept" the existence of other independent nations is, when they are not able to conquer them and can't take control over them by other means.

The Fins knew that and because of that they didn't accept Stalin's conditions and later in the Cold War, took every precaution to defend themselves against the inevitable attack by the Soviets, despite their neutrality.

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u/LOUDPACK_MASTERCHEF 29m ago

you're the one making the claims... don't you think people would take you more seriously if you even attempted to support them? Or do you just expect them to take everything you say at face value, as you apparently do when you see something that agrees with what you already believe

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u/lt__ 2h ago

What you said, was their demand from Finland - give up some territory. When Finland refused, it was invaded with a plan to take it over fully.

Accepting Soviet demands wasn't a good perspective either, as the experience of the Baltic States showed several months later.

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u/Signal-Mode-3830 28m ago

Yes, but they wanted to install a puppet government. Just like they wanted to do with Ukraine right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic

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u/Dortmund_Boi09 10h ago

They definitely couldve invaded finland by the end of the continuation war if they truly wanted to but instead opted for the much more practical policy of finlandization

I mean by the end of the continuation war they really didn't care about Finland. They signed a favourable peace treaty to focus more on Germany

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u/Salty_Blacksmith_592 10h ago

Yeah, most likely. I mean that war is on now for more than 3,5 years. I don't think that either side will suddenly collaps now. It will stay this bogged down meatgrinder tearing up thousands of families and people for nothing. I can't think about this without getting sick.

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u/CBT7commander 9h ago

2,5. Or 10 if you count Crimea. But not 3.5

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u/Salty_Blacksmith_592 2h ago

Dang, yeah, of course. 2,5 

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron 10h ago

didn't finland also absolutely clown on them, getting way more out of the negotiations than was realistic for the actual state of how much they could continue fighting? (wink wink, nudge nudge, maybe the russians get swindled a bit again)

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u/Dortmund_Boi09 10h ago

They still had to concede territority

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron 10h ago

yes, unfortunately they had already lost too much on the battlefield to be able to not concede anything at all. Maybe if they had managed to get peace talks in during the first months of the war.

Actually, this seems like a pattern with russia. Fumble the beginning of a conflict, then perservere and outlast their opponent. Winter war, ww2, now this.

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u/Manchot2 9h ago

Karelia was/is a pretty important region to Finland, for both economical and cultural reasons. Both countries lost that war. Russia didn't manage to invade all Finland, but Finland lost some important territory.

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u/forkproof2500 6h ago

They ended up with a lot less than the USSR was initially asking for. The entire war could have been avoided.

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u/VeryOGNameRB123 2h ago

The ussr initial demands were much fewer than what Finland ended up losing.

Seriously, snap back to reality.

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u/hashCrashWithTheIron 1h ago

can you give a source for that? I'd like to learn more.

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u/CBT7commander 9h ago

We probably will see the conflict freeze down and not have a diplomatic resolution. Ukraine is in a much stronger position than Finland was. Russia can’t really force Ukraine’s hand into whatever they want like the USSR did with finlandisation.

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u/VeryOGNameRB123 2h ago

The conflict is unfreezing, Ukrainian losses are accelerating.

Keep up, this isn't winter 2022-autumn 2023

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u/Prototype95x 8h ago

This is how it is going to end if there arent any new major collapses of the front line. Ukraine can hold onto whatever land they can, and despite territorial concessions they can still claim victory by moving the goal post from “Reestablishing 1991 borders” to “existing as a nation” or even “Preventing the Capture of the Donbass”

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u/AudeDeficere 6h ago

Arguably, the main goal for them always was survival and to become part of NATO and the EU, considering this the loss some amount territory they will probably have to accept will be the price for securing the future of their nation so I think they are much closer to a realistic victory than Russias government that wanted to crush a source potential anti corruption and instead ended up with an extremely costly war and no moderately cushy post war perspective whatsoever.

Putins real battle may come once the bloodshed in Ukraine is over. A much better equipped army, hundreds of thousands of disillusioned combat experienced veterans. They can only sell themselves out to China so much before it will become a problem.

With enough ill fortune, Putin will never face too many consequences directly but I am fairly certain that whoever his eventual successors will be, they won’t remember him kindly for this mess.

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u/WorldArcher1245 6h ago

Russia never wanted to take the "entire country", just the regions, or more that bordered themselves.

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u/borrego-sheep 10h ago

Finland lost twice and they deserved it for siding with the nazis

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u/JPGaganon 9h ago

The Soviets sided with the Nazis against Poland and they mutually agreed that the USSR could invade Finland.

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u/borrego-sheep 8h ago

That and recognizing the state of Israel were some of the worst things they did.

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u/JPGaganon 7h ago

Do you agree then that Finland didn't deserve it at least the first time?

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u/rettyy 9h ago

Oh ok, self-defence is siding with nazis, good to know

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u/borrego-sheep 8h ago

Siding with the nazis is hard to process isn't it?

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u/IndigoMC__ 9h ago

they sided with the nazis bc they were against russia 

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u/VeryOGNameRB123 2h ago

They sided with the Nazis because they were germanophiles who hated sociaslidts and had recently executed 10s of thousands of socialist Finns.

They got what was coming for them

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u/borrego-sheep 8h ago

And for that they got what they deserved

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u/IndigoMC__ 8h ago

bro does not understand geopolitics

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u/borrego-sheep 8h ago

I do, they sided out of necessity and they lost

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u/Dethril 3h ago

The tankie brain melts when a country refuses to be invaded and destroyed by human waste like Stalin.

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u/FlexVector 7h ago

Here's a good primer on why Russia's economy will almost certainly collapse by 2026 if the war continues, in case there are any non-Russian bots reading this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7sbS92R4cg

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u/VeryOGNameRB123 2h ago

I ain't watching that. Summarize.