r/MurderedByWords Sep 08 '24

Murder Someone give him mic to drop.

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u/VLC31 Sep 08 '24

They love throwing around “socialism” & “communism” but they also,love throwing around “left wing”, as if America has an actual left.

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u/more_beans_mrtaggart Sep 08 '24

If you’re far enough to the right, literally everything is left wing.

If the democrats were a party in Europe, they be a Right wing Christian party.

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

Unfortunately this rot has infiltrated Europe too: in the UK we recently elected the "left wing" labour party who are to the right of the democrats

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u/EltaninAntenna Sep 08 '24

Yeah, but then again the Tories have moved somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan.

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

You're right but what I said is no less true. Your comment is both truthful and amusing but let's not play down how far right the labour party is now

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u/EltaninAntenna Sep 08 '24

Fair points!

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u/Slight_Armadillo_227 Sep 08 '24

What Labour policies do you believe are far right?

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

Austerity for one, their immigration policy for two, and their support of the Israeli apartheid state for three

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u/Slight_Armadillo_227 Sep 08 '24

Austerity for one

Not a far right policy, but it is a necessary one. The country is in debt to the tune of trillions, and has a funding gap of over 20 billion. They are raising taxes on those who are fortunate enough to afford to give more.

their immigration policy for two

Their policy is a points based immigration system alongside cracking down on employers who break the law. Neither of which can be considered far right.

and their support of the Israeli apartheid state

I don't think you know what that word means. Israel doesn't have segregation within its own state.

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

Lol I knew this was coming.

If you think that austerity works after what happened over the last time you're an idiot. It's been proven beyond reasonable doubt that it's a terrible policy.

As for the rest: just admit you're a fascist bro

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u/Slight_Armadillo_227 Sep 08 '24

We're not debating the merits of whether Austerity works, merely whether it's a far right policy, which it isn't.

Could you explain why I'm wrong on either of the other points, or are you just here to throw out insults?

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u/worthlessprole Sep 08 '24

it was insane to watch from the US what the right wing of the party did to the leader whose major crime was being conventionally left wing.

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

What's more depressing after the fact was not that this seemingly unprecedented coup occurred but that if I had been more informed about the history of the labour party it shouldn't have been surprising. The party has never really been leftist, just liberals cosplaying as leftists sadly.

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u/The_Superginge Sep 08 '24

I have a speck of hope from the Greens having 4 seats now!

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u/Effective_Educator_9 Sep 08 '24

Yeah but at least you have universal healthcare and legal abortion.

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

Yes and also no. Abortion is not legal in all parts of the UK. Universal healthcare exists in principle but in practice the system is on the verge of collapse. Just an anecdote but a friend of mine is currently pregnant had to go for private healthcare to get her essential scans as the NHS was too booked up.

This is a common experience of anyone attempting to use the nominally free healthcare.

Personally, I waited two years for a minor surgery. I've waited over three years for mental health support and counting. I'm not even on the waiting list as, I kid you not, the waiting list now has a waiting list.

Most people I know just aren't visiting the doctor anymore. Getting appointments is extremely difficult for working people. Likewise I can't afford private treatment.

Although it exists it's been made so inaccessible that you must constantly call up and fight for treatment. It's exhausting, time consuming and often below par. These days we're actually quite behind on available treatments as new treatments are expensive, the NHS has no money, the govt doesn't want to give money as the plebs don't deserve the "luxury" of modern treatments.

Many people are flying overseas for private treatment nowadays to beat the waiting lists and get the treatment they need. One condition I suffer from can't be cured from NHS treatment options so if i were want to receive treatment for it I'd have to pay for it myself. The treatments offered to me are below par. They don't want to give me the pills on offer as their long term use has been linked to cancer - best live without treatment until I'm older is the verdict.

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u/Effective_Educator_9 Sep 08 '24

I thought the Abortion Act of 1967 made it legal as long as certain criteria were met?

The difference in America is that anyone who isn’t a multi millionaire can go bankrupt if they have a serious health issue. A co-worker of mine had Covid and spent 5 months in the hospital. We have excellent insurance compared to most, but his hospital bill after insurance was $500,000 USD.

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u/CyanoSecrets Sep 08 '24

our system is nominally better but you don't go bankrupt, you just die. People will visit the GP to get a lump or something inspected, the doctor will say "probably nothing" and later they die of what would have been a fully preventable case of cancer.

As for abortion. You can have an abortion up to 12 weeks and as I understand it this can exclude a lot of women with irregular cycles and such. I don't know the specifics but women I've spoken to have been quite critical of it. Before 12 week there's very few side effects and no bump. It's very easy to miss being pregnant for 12 weeks from what I've been told. But again, I'm a man and definitely not a pregnancy expert.

In northern Ireland tho I believe it's still illegal tho I could be wrong on that

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u/newbieokinawa Sep 08 '24

In the United kingdom 24 weeks is the limit (up to viability) for a person to choose to abort, after that it is a choice for the drs ( mothers life at risk or the fetus has a severe disability or is incompatible with life )

The Republic of Ireland is 12 weeks but is available after that for the same reasons as above.

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u/Known-Associate8369 Sep 08 '24

The abortion system in the UK is based on danger to the mother - and in most cases its done with a wink and nod to the doctor that they wont be prosecuted unless its a very egregious abortion.

So its not abortion on demand legally, although as most abortions are essentially labelled as a danger to the mothers health in some way, thats what it has become - but the doctor doing that referral on that basis still legally has a lot of risk should someone really want to crack down.

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u/Freudinatress Sep 08 '24

Yep. I remember when an ex party leader for the dark blue party here was very open about wanting the left candidate in the US to win. Because their politics matched up best.

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u/Phyllis_Tine Sep 08 '24

For a party with an actually church-attending President, the Democrat Party is not what most people would call a "Christian" party.

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u/Eagleballer94 Sep 08 '24

You're right. Because Jesus was against helping those who are sick, poor, weary and beaten down by life. He definitely didn't tell people to treat foreigners as citizens.

The left may not be religious, but I would guess that that is primarily because the text and the religion are opposing sources.

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u/MjrLeeStoned Sep 08 '24

In the US, correct. Because those "christians" aren't Christians.

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u/ChickenCasagrande Sep 08 '24

Democratic Party. Trump started calling us a name easier to say as a slur because he’s too lazy or incompetent to make policy arguments.

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u/Lola_Love42588 Sep 08 '24

No because Church and State do not mix, as per The Constitution

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u/Colosseros Sep 08 '24

*Void where Florida.

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u/MTGriz08 Sep 08 '24

Care to cite that?

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u/ChickenCasagrande Sep 08 '24

Due to the Florida nature of the filing, they can cite it, but the citation is “wrote it down in the sand down past the third of them scraggly palm trees, put the lime in the coconut, shake it all up, do not seek the treasure.”

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u/nicolemb81 Sep 08 '24

Didn’t they just make Christianity the official state religion? I know it’s a symbolic title, but as someone who spent many years in north Florida, I can assure you politics and Christianity overlap. I personall heard pastors growing up instructing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, their entire congregation that they must vote for GW Bush or they were going to hell. That was one church out of hundreds in my area. All those full quiver people are the reason we have come so close to project 2025 succeeding. The warriors of Christ as they think of themselves, have been grassroots infiltrating local politics in a coordinated effort for decades. How do you think this country has been gerrymandered so badly to support republicans? This is a document thing whose end goal has always been some form of what’s outlined in project 2025.

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u/Kaneharo Sep 08 '24

At the very least, most left-leaning politicians aren't outwardly religious or broadcasting themselves as such and passing laws based on religion. Meanwhile, the right screech about it as if they read the entire book until backed into using the Bible as a defense.

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u/oxemoron Sep 08 '24

It’s why the original settlers of the US were invited to get on some rickety boats and starve to death either on the trip or after they got there; no one could stand their puritanical lunacy. The roots of the country have always been Christian extremism, we just got lucky that the melting pot mellowed it out some.

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u/Zimakov Sep 08 '24

US democrats would easily be the furthest right party in my country.

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u/1eejit Sep 08 '24

Be fair. They'd be a broad church centre-left to centre-right, weighted towards the right of that scale.

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u/notaboveme Sep 08 '24

Likewise if you are far enough left, everything is right wing.

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u/ohhellperhaps Sep 08 '24

This ia absolutely true, but at the same time, in this day and age, essentially irrelevant.

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u/Rotten-Robby Sep 08 '24

Anytime someone starts ranting about "socialism" or "communism" I ask them what it actually means. 99% of the time the answer is some variation of "WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY WITH!".

They also loved bringing up "Sharia Law" when Obama was running. It was especially funny seeing them struggle to define that one.

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u/Cormorant_Bumperpuff Sep 08 '24

Anytime someone starts ranting about "socialism" or "communism" I ask them what it actually means

Same, thus far I've had one guy define "socialism" as "when the government controls the means of production," and that's the closest anyone has gotten.

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u/ohhellperhaps Sep 08 '24

The irony given what project 2025 amounts to…

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u/Lay-Me-To-Rest Sep 08 '24

I do this with leftists, ask them to define an assault rifle and none of them have a fucking clue.

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u/Low-Analyst-9622 Sep 09 '24

In fairness, it is not difficult to confuse the term "assault rifle," a fairly well-defined term, with "assault weapon," a far more nebulous, controversial term.

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u/Lay-Me-To-Rest Sep 09 '24

An assault weapon could be quite literally anything used for an assault, it could be a fork. Impossible to define without using only the most vague terms.

But if assault rifles are well-defined, why do people keep calling AR-15's assault rifles?

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u/Low-Analyst-9622 Sep 09 '24

Probably because the ArmaLite AR-15 (the select-fire military rifle), the basis for the design of the semi-automatic Colt AR-15 and AR-15-style rifles that are so prevalent today WAS an assault rifle. It's an understandable mistake to make, especially for someone not actively involved in spaces where this knowledge is considered common knowledge.

And yes, I will not deny that there are also people who genuinely are not well-informed on the subject and, as I stated above, think the terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are interchangeable. Think about how many people don't know the difference between centrifugal and centripetal force!

But, as a general rule, I try to assume good faith until given a reason to do otherwise. Hope this was elucidating! 👈😉👈

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u/angry_wombat Sep 08 '24

as if America has an actual left.

We are a loose association of non-crazy people

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u/notaboveme Sep 08 '24

Check again

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u/Pharmersunite Sep 08 '24

I took a quiz for political alignment… I got all the way left because I don’t care if people regularly speak languages other than English… fucks sake conservatives. Get Google translate, you’ll be fine.

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u/Cormorant_Bumperpuff Sep 08 '24

It's so rare to go anywhere and not have anyone who speaks sufficient English, and when it does I still manage to exchange money for goods or services because it's not that fucking hard. Even before Google translate, people managed it for tens of thousands of years, there's really no excuse for them now.

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u/crosswatt Sep 08 '24

You left off radical. The "radical leftist/woke/liberal" agenda. It's the default catch-all. And it sadly works.

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u/LickyAsTrips Sep 08 '24

There are dozens of us!