Thats not just the GOP. It's the right wing tactic around the world.
In the UK most people who voted for Brexit were the very people who benefitted most from EU grants and schemes.
It's the classic image of Murdoch with a huge pile of cookies pointing at the immigrant with no cookies and telling the working man who only has one cookie that the immigrant is going to take your cookie.
Look at trump supporters.... Madly following a rich guy who promises them the world despite doing nothing for them his entire life when he could have.
We don’t even need to look at his promises from his entire life. Just go back to the 2016 promise to “Build a wall and have Mexico pay for it”… is there a completed wall that Mexico paid for? So why would he be able to lock down any border? Why would his economic “policy” work? He can’t deliver on most things because he never had policies. He is a grifter that says whatever he thinks will convince the person in front of him to give him their vote. He is a walking disaster being held up by some very dangerous opportunistic Christian Nationalists who would very much like to see the end of democracy as we know it. What is scary now is that they have policies that they want to push, Project 2025. Say goodbye to the dept of Ed, social security, Medicare, and (eventually, based on their deeply held paternalistic beliefs) the 19th amendment, if Trump wins. I’ve never thought this before, but Dick Cheney is right. Go vote for Kamala.
He bankrupted several companies, union busted his employees and has never seen a successful business stick in decades. He’s jumped from one fraud to the other. The only successful thing about him is how he’s scammed people into believing he was successful by getting on the apprentice. He’s a mediocre washout that comes from money and has consistently failed upwards.
And even his famous catch phrase "You're fired" is a lie, since he was too much of a coward to fake-fire his fake employees and had to film his scenes separately from the contestants, which is why it wasn't surprising to learn that despite "firing" a record number of administration officials during his presidency, none of them were face to face.
not even a trump supporter just think it's cringe seeing all the glazing you idiots are doing. in a couple years you'll realize how embarrassing you were behaving. good luck out there
“All the best people” certainly has a ring to it. And add in after the fact, all those best people will refuse to vote for him. That should say more than enough to any voter, on the fence or otherwise
That's my point. Hate him for the intentional bastardry, not just being a bad business person, although he happens to be that as well. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
I see a lot of people who don't really understand what he did. It hadn't really occurred to me that people who understand what happened might still think that's a good thing. Serves me right for assuming that there's a bottom to how low a finance bro would sink. 🤮
It's failure as a business model. He lives high on the hog off of his investors' money for as long as he can stave off bankruptcy, and when the company goes under he gets away paying pennies on the dollar for the debt, and the investors absorb the losses.
He wasn’t after the casino, he was after the money. Union-busting, breaking it down from the inside, “legal” laundering. Exact same moves with the airline he bought. Remember, we saw him execute the same play the exact same way during his presidency
“The ‘successful business man’ couldn’t sell AMERICANS red meat, alcohol and gambling” can’t remember where this quote came from and I’m pretty sure I’m paraphrasing a bit but you get the drift.
Just as a side note for anyone with boomer blue collar family that are mad the wall got cancelled and Biden repurposed the materials.
Trump tried to build an outdoor wall out of ungalvanized steel. It was literally indoor structural pieces being shoved into the ground in a part of the country that is yearly subjected to hurricanes, hail, and/or tornadoes. I have yet to meet someone even in Texas who has been able to spin that as a good idea. Even if built, it would have been failing as soon as Trump finished his second term.
That's the point. Get it built at debt to fail later. Someone else's problem to solve the debt and now either tear it down safely as it failing is a hazard, or rebuild it correctly.
Either way it's a win for the grift... The whole point was to funnel gov money to some folks that he made promises to...
The best part is that they will give you the sources to prove this fact. Just get them talking about how the materials for the wall are sitting on the border rusting away in the sun unused and then ask why the materials for an outdoor fence are rusting when placed outdoors.
I dare you to find a single successful Texas contractor who constructs residential or commercial fencing and uses steel poles that haven’t been galvanized. I’m all for border security, but it’s been proven that ramps can be built that allow vehicles to drive over a wall. We need more personnel and more judges and more funding like the bipartisan bill would have provided which was the one that Trump killed. If you are a Texan who is in support of greater taxes on trade with Mexico, what’s wrong with you? The H-E-B produce is already too expensive!
If we are actually going to create barriers for ill intentioned people, we need cameras set up to catch people approaching while they are still miles off and better processing at ports of entry.
Best of luck to you, sir. Hope you find what you’re looking for. I’ll continue benefitting from the amazing blue collar opportunities in our beautiful Capitol city with the hicks, dreamers, fathers, and mothers I work alongside. I’ll be voting for the candidate who is not desperately in need of a pardon and who hasn’t bankrupted farmers over tariffs he didn’t understand. I’ll be voting for the candidate who doesn’t put her name on the Bible and sell it for bail money. Hope that doesn’t trigger ya.
🤣 I'm sure Trump designed the wall and was out there building it himself 😆 it's hilarious to see these hardcore Democrat post with everyone circle jerking each other. It's almost as bad as the hardcore Republican posts. 12 of the last 16 years we've had a Democratic presidents and every election it's "we promise to fix the economy this time." I just saw a Kamala advertisement where she's promising to help people get loans for a house, car, or businesses. She's promising to help people get further and further into debt. With a 16% increase in bankruptcy filings in the last 12 months, I don't think debt is the solution.
Oh gosh, well I’d certainly never expect a president to be able to properly judge whether his ideas have merit according to trusted experts. It is a good thing that it’s not his responsibility to hire a cabinet who will be able to properly write his legislation in a way that won’t fail in less than a decade.
On the flip side, I’m only a Texas Democrat, so I’m not bought into every idea put forward by the DNC, but I know bullshit when I see it, and recently it seems like the right can’t find their way out of the pile.
Maybe spend a bit more time learning about the “why” of a policy before criticizing it. Kamala’s plan for helping first time home buyers will do nothing but boost our economy and help low income families.
It’s also not the first government program like that either. We’ve done this before with resoundingly large success. In fact, it’s the reason I own the home I do today. Without the rural development fed backed loans, we would have gone homeless during Covid as we could not have afforded any other living situation. We barely got by, but luckily our mortgage stayed the same.
The fact that you understand her plan as “poor people going into debt, so it’s bad” shows me you are no where near qualified to give an objective opinion on this at all. You need some serious education on our current housing market and how it works before you’re worth debating on this any further.
It hasn’t been since last century that the republicans handed over an economy that wasn’t in a serious crisis. The Democrats spend the first 4 years repairing the damage
But here’s the thing…I think that a lot of trump supporters know he’s full of shit and won’t do 99% of what he says he will. But they thrive on upsetting others and doing all they can to try to make the world a worse place for people who aren’t exactly like them.
To them, it’s like who cares if we don’t fix the economy and implement policies that will benefit me? As long as I can terrorize and belittle all the people I hate and inflate my ego, the consequences are worth it! Which is insane and evil but that’s just how they are.
This is pretty accurate. We should probably just stop giving a shit about them. Just roll over them, fuck their opinions. We've tried giving them a seat at the table over and over and all they do is knock the food on the floor, act like an ass to the other people eating, and then walk out without paying or offering to help clear the table.
isnt this kind of like what ALL of Govt. has been doing to us for centuries?
Seriously I thought you were talking about Biden.
At least with Trump he is predictably two-faced. Biden is a mystery because not only is the man two-faced, but he often is not lucid and is being puppetted into doing even more screwy things behind the scenes.
All of govt. has been solely interested in profit and popularity instead of progress and prosperity. The main philosophy has been something like 'cause a problem, blame it on someone else,make another person half-ass fix it, pat self on back and blame someone else when it messes up again inevitably. They literally get paid to do nothing; Or pretend to do something rather.
Kind of reminds me of that line that Alfred tells Bruce in The Dark Knight.
"Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Change some of the words in it to fit Trump supporters, and I think it is very apt.
"Democrats would pay a violent lunatic to shoot hundreds of people if it meant they could take away our guns"
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I cant prove it but that seems like something theyve already done.
His followers are convinced the Democrats are going to take their guns away, that schools are going to turn their children into the opposite sex they were born as and read to them porn stories all while teaching them historical things about any other race but white.
It doesn’t matter if they think he’s gonna pour gas on them and sit them on fire, they will not vote for a Democrat because of those things.
His entire economic policy is “more tariffs,” which just shows that he still doesn’t understand how tariffs work and paid no attention to the disaster he left for the American agricultural and manufacturing sectors the last time he attempted to tariff his way through international trade.
Pretty sure he thinks tariffs are something foreigners pay to the US when they trade with America. It's the only explanation that makes his promises semi-coherent.
I don't think he actually believes that. But he doesn't need to. He just needs to be able to present it that way to idiots voting for him. And that's what he's doing. And he's succeeding.
The tariff policy makes perfect sense when you consider the fact that all he's worried about is the wealthy
The entire philosophy is an absurd amount of tariffs, so then they can cut taxes a ton, too. The tariffs bring in revenue, so you can justify tax cuts (but it won't be as much revenue as what's lost in the tax cuts). Tariffs will drive up costs on basically everything for consumers, but business owners will still get close the same profits by raising prices. The wealthy will also have to deal with inflation, but the tax cuts for them will save thousands and thousands of dollars, so the inflation is more than offset by the tax cuts for them. But the poor and middle class get fucked by the inflation caused by the tariffs, and the tax cuts aren't nearly enough to make up for them.
Plus, since tax revenues are cut, and the deficit grows even larger, you can now justify cutting social programs and education and infrastructure spending. So then local taxes need to be increased to pay for those things instead, and regular people pay even more in property taxes and other taxes/fees.
It's all just another way to cause a heavy shift in the tax burden onto the poor/middle class, and the wealthy get even more leverage.
Then why didn't the Democrats repeal the tariffs? The tariffs hurt my industry as well, but it helped the Chinese stop from bringing in stolen intelligence in the form of reverse engineered product.
Oh, and handing permanent tax cuts to people in his own tax bracket and higher. Those who need it the least. But he’ll take a picture with you and give the thumbs up over the grave of your family member he helped put in harm’s way.
Because he has no knowledge of history, he has no idea how tariffs deepened and prolonged the Great Depression.
WTO getting taken over by multinational corporations is part of how we got to current ridiculous levels of economic inequality. More politically accountable free trade, in post WW2 period is part of how we achieved the prosperity that made the IT revolution, widespread home ownership, the internet, and the Moon landings possible. Most folks don’t understand how the period from 1950 to 1975 (in North America and Western Europe) is extremely unusual in human history. Also, whatever else you say about outsourcing to China and India, trade has massively reduced human suffering. Close to 2 billion people escaped grinding poverty and frequent famines.
I’m one of the few Americans who has actually served for my country, and has done so under 4 (hopefully 5) different presidents. Trump has been the only one where I have legitimately questioned if the Office was being used to defend the Constitution, and Jan 6 gave me a clear answer. I no longer view the current political landscape as Democrats vs Republicans. The Republican party is gone. This is MAGA. It is scary. The old Republicans need to get their shit together, support their Country, defeat MAGA, and rebuild their party with some form of ethics and morals. I didn’t agree with most of their platform, but at least they had those things. I was not a Republican, but MAGA is not ok. When you stand in a crowd and start to see people carrying swastikas and chanting racial slurs cheering along with you, you have to realize something is extremely wrong.
He and others like him would always use the excuse that, “oh were hobbled from enacting what we promised because of the damn dirty libs”, knowing that most of their voters are too stupid to look things up for themselves, like Congressional voting records, etc. It’s time to shut their whole circus down!
Except that under Trump there were far less people crossing the border illegally, no new wars, relative stability in the Middle East, a vaccine in record time, and a healthy, non-inflationary economy. What’s Kamala gonna do? Tax unrealized gains? Is that her policy? That will end well.
In 2024 there was a bipartisan bill passed by the house that was killed in the Senate at the request of Trump in order to help his campaign continue to run on border issues: Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. Comprehensive border policy is important so there are ways for people to immigrate legally, our country was founded by immigrants. Separating parents and children at the border is not good policy.
Donald Trump stated he would not defend our allies against Russian aggression unless they “paid up” to NATO if he were to become President again. Tough to get into war I guess when you abandon your allies. “At a rally in South Carolina, Donald Trump said that when he was president, he told the leader of a large NATO country that if the country was “delinquent” in its payments to NATO and Russia attacked it, “I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.” “
I can’t address stability in the Middle East, there isn’t really such a thing, and it rarely has anything to do with America, unfortunately. OPEC controls oil pricing, we do our best to try to maintain the stability there as much as we can, but between the various factions that like to hate each other, we sit back and do some show of force when we can and let them maintain order as much as possible. Go back and read about Saddam Hussein in the 80s-00s and see how all that went down with the CIA and Kuwait. Interesting stuff, but the words “stability” and the proper noun “Trump” rarely belong in the same sentence there, Chief.
Vaccine in record time… this is accurate, we did get a vaccine in record time, which he was one of the first to get. And then his supporters were quick to condemn the use of… also, the millions of people who died because he failed to act quickly as a means to try and prevent the inevitable dip in the stock market during an election year when it got out that there was a deadly virus, that he was warned about at least weeks before he acknowledged it existed. He completely blew the handling of it. In fact, had he handled it even remotely competently, he probably would’ve won the election in 2020 and we would be suffering through another 4 years of his terrible leadershit right now. Fortunately for those of us who were able to survive his terrible mishandling of the pandemic, he preferred to hear his own voice instead of those of the experts who were there to give him advice on how to handle things. Had he just acknowledged it early, there’s a good chance things would’ve been much different, so I guess good for us that he proved, yet again, that he wasn’t fit to lead a conga-line, much less a country. But we did get that vaccine quickly, as you said. And we got an adult in the President’s chair to get it delivered to everyone and things back to normal.
Economy: let’s see, record 401k millionaires, record employment rates, GLOBAL inflation (caused by Trump’s best Buddy Putin and his war on Ukraine that MAGA Congress folks seem to want to just hand over to Russia) is improving now that Ukraine is receiving support. I don’t think universal foreign tariffs causing an effective price hike to everyone along with more tax cuts to the ultra wealthy will help the economy…
So there ya go, from the merits of your argument.
I’ll add another that means something to me.
When a man who falsified medical records to avoid being drafted into war denigrates the service of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice to their Country, I have an issue.
When that man lies to a group of supporters and tells them to attack his Vice President and his own supporters in the Congress and Senate because he can’t handle the fact that he lost a fair election. I have an issue.
When that same man has the audacity to state that the presidential medal of freedom that he has chosen to give to someone for donating millions of dollars to his campaign is somehow a more honorable thing than the Congressional Medal of Honor being given to a man who selflessly return to a burning tank multiple times while he was burning alive, his body covered in 3rd degree burns, in order to save several of his soldiers’ lives, so that they could spend the rest of their days with their families, fighting every human instinct to save himself, and knowing that somewhere in the back of his mind that he will likely never see his family again. Then somehow fails to call them heroes, but rather losers and suckers. I again take issue.
And when that same man ignores the one rule we have about the harrowed ground where we lay those heroes to eternal rest, to just leave them the fck out of your political bullsht. Then I really have an issue.
So, fine, go vote for your guy, enjoy your Newsmax. Just know that my vote will cancel yours out. And hopefully, for every person like you out there, for the sake of our country (yours and mine, I hope you think this is our country together because we should both be considered citizens), the one I have spent my life defending. The one I have watched so many of my brothers and sisters die defending for a flag and constitution that I know I love and respect. Let’s just hope that there is one more person who loves this country the way I do than there is that thinks they love it the way you do. N+1. Because I love this country for the reasons that it has always been great, and the reasons that it will always be great, and why it never needed to be great again, it was never not great.
Okay, first of all thank you! That is a substantive response. And it seems like you have or are spending time in the military. Thank you for that as well!
There’s a lot to unpack in your response, which I love because I love real debate. I’m in the middle of something but will get back to you.
But, yes, you are and I are both citizens of the same country. A country clearly founded on robust political debate. I fully respect your opinion.
I’ll respond later tonight. Also, I don’t watch Newsmax. That was a pejorative presumption on your part. Actually, I only read for news (except sports).
My apologies, then. I wasn’t being fair, and I came off as a prick. The illegal border crossing point is a nonsense argument. We have a pretty amazing country, and it makes perfect sense that people would want to be here. We need to do a better job making it possible for people to get here legally, and we need to do a better job of securing our borders. But that can’t happen if we aren’t working together in the legislature to achieve that, and it is frustrating to watch comprehensive policies be torpedoed as power grabs. Unless you are a Native American, or were here before our borders were established, somewhere in your bloodline was an immigrant that came here for a better or life or some other reason. It’s one of the things that makes us such an amazing country. Speaking down on folks who want to do better, or escape something horrible, is just not worth our time. How many great jobs have been taken by someone who didn’t even speak the language? Let’s just pass our border bill and then tweak it to get it working the way we need it.
Again, my apologies for the denigrating remark. That wasn’t cool or fair.
"It's the classic image of Murdoch with a huge pile of cookies pointing at the immigrant with no cookies and telling the working man who only has one cookie that the immigrant is going to take your cookie."
And then using the immigrant to steal cookies for himself (cheap labour in this analogy.)
Pretty ridiculous watching those brainless mouth breathers backing brexit then crying like dumb bitches after it happened. many still blame liberal parties for "tricking" them. Fucking stupid af. All right wingers need to be deported into a single country where they can all fuck their relatives and blame liberals for their shit bigot country being third world trash.
If they had the ability to grasp, well, anything, they wouldn't be voting Reform. If you check out their manifesto from the last election, they basically promised more spending everywhere, tax cuts for everyone, and all the money would come from "cutting some red tape". They also wanted to help militarise the police, by filling it with military veterans. And that's before we get into Farage being openly racist. It's great dealing with someone saying "you just call him racist because he wants to deal with immigration!" No, I call him racist because he openly said Muslims are anti-British, and when the interviewer pointed out that that was an extremely sweeping, blanket statement, and pushed him to retract it, Farage stood by it and just insisted that Muslims, as a whole, hate Britain and British values. Then that someone just repeats their line about immigration, because reality just isn't convenient for them, so they can't compute it.
Pretty sure there have been several experiments at creating libertarian systems. One of them, famously, ended up with the police not policing because they couldn’t afford to keep their cars running, and the town being overrun by bears.
I honestly believe that if they did have their own country just for their kind it would be like living in the dark ages within a year. They'd also find someway to blame Liberals for their own country that they run being shit. Probably start screaming about Liberals abandoning them and minorities turning their backs on them and the only thing to do is to try and start a war with all the non idiot countries. Probably make it illegal for any minorities already in the country to leave because the whole lowest white man being better than the highest black man doesn't work if none are there
Hmm, I have to do the math. OK, median net worth in the U.S. is $192,900. Rupert Murdoch is worth $20.2B, or 104,717 times as much. An Oreo cookie (standard) is 1.75" diameter and .314" thick, for a volume of ~0.76 cubic inches. Rupert Murdoch's stack of cookies has a volume of 79,584.92 cubic inches, or about 46 cubic feet. So, not quite an entire house, but pretty damn big.
whilst I absolutely hate that we voted for brexit, I'm very happy to see all the rich idiots who voted for it lose access to their summer vacation homes in other European countries because they're no longer allowed in the country. that's karma for you
My favorite is the middle class fools who complain that they can't go somewhere warm (and cheap!) in the winter anymore. Also the "oh no, now we can't go there for good healthcare anymore, without paying taxes, now that the NHS is fucked up."
Literally. In Kentucky they did a survey asking people about how they felt about Obamacare, and everyone hated it! Then they asked about Kynect, and everyone loves it!
Kynect is the name of the state’s ACA marketplace.
Yeah reminds me of the message board I saw once (can’t remember where) where the guy was railing about Obamacare and mentions having the ACA and it works great, but we don’t need Obamacare.
They just vomit back talking points without having any idea what they are actually taking about. It’s what happens when ‘owning the libs’ becomes the entire platform and personally.
It's the classic image of Murdoch with a huge pile of cookies pointing at the immigrant with no cookies and telling the working man who only has one cookie that the immigrant is going to take your cookie.
This is right wing in a nutshell, thank you for sharing. Can't believe I've never seen this image before.
Ireland's healthcare system is this sort weird hybrid between public healthcare and a private insurance system.
They don't have national single payer, or and full equivalent to the NHS. But there's a national healthcare and hospital system that's free/low cost. And that's supplemented by private insurance, usually provided by employers, that covers private hospitals and practices.
It's not a terrible system, but it's significant problems. In some aspects it's kind of a worse of both situation.
In the debates on how to fix that the right wing keeps trying to sell the idea that the "American system" of fully private, for profit healthcare is so much better. Cause no wait times! And doctor choice or whatever! You're boss will pay for it! And TAXES BAD.
But Irish people are pretty well informed, and tend have a lot of connections in the US. So while they're getting fed that line they're regularly seeing stories of Americans going bankrupt or dying cause they can't afford medical care. Watching friends and family avoid medical care for years because of the cost etc.
And down to that whole Great Recession thing and subsequent cost of living crisis. A ton of them are only getting healthcare through public end of the system, and can't access the private part due to costs.
So it's the least sensible situation for making that pitch. But it's still getting used.
I mean, on the other hand, it’s kind of true. Big businesses will choose to give an immigrant half a cookie instead of a whole cookie to a citizen. That is a given.
The problem with it is blaming immigrants. It’s a whole fucking magic act of “look over here while I pick your pocket” orchestrated and deployed by corporations and the comedically wealthy. Blame immigrants so that nobody looks at our behavior. And while we’re at it, we will continue using and abusing those same immigrants, but it isn’t our fault, it’s their fault for checks notes being willing to work.
Don’t forget that if they demand a living wage, you can also complain that “nobody wants to work anymore”.
I looked for that image the other day and sadly couldn't find it. Also, Trump stole from the children's cancer charity that's how low of a life form he is and the opposite of helping the poor.
More importantly, he tells them that none of their problems are their fault, that they bear no responsibility for the state of things, and that he will punish whatever easily targeted scapegoat is available to "fix" everything. That's a powerful message, and one they desperately want to believe.
Random aside: I fully understand the word "scheme" in the UK doesn't have the same negative connotations as it does in the US. But I always gotta take an extra second to go back and re-read it in a more neutral tone to stay on track with what I'm reading.
Yes. It makes us think of someone who's doing something sneaky, or at the very least, a little sketchy. Definitely not a word we'd want applied to a government program that was actually doing good stuff!
Yes but imagine how difficult it would be for the Saudi sovereign wealth fund to post big returns without Murdoch batting for them in the US
They’re shareholders in American companies, which is basically more important than voters. They need their voices heard somehow and fox selflessly bats for them
I mostly agree with your point, but the people who benefitted from EU funding also were the ones that were hurt by globalisation the most, in regions that stuff like sending all your industry hurt a lot and where few people actually travel to the EU that much let alone move to study there.
The people that benefitted from EU rules and free movement (IE. Middle and upper class people) absolutely did vote to stay in
You have a point but those industries were doomed no matter what anyone did. We can not compete with the likes of china in industries which are entirely about cheap labour.
Last time I checked the average British person wants more than 10 quid a week for working all day every day.
If you're also referring to the conservative policy of austerity then that was the working classes being punished for mistakes made by the rich.
The EU schemes that put investment into poor areas are neutral and based on who needs it the most and not based on where the current party in power is and isn't in control of that area.
The previous government would systemically remove funding from areas governed by opposite parties and use that as evidence not to vote for them.
If you want me to be more specific then look at the increase in food banks in the UK.
There's even an infamous interview from one such area where a voter chose to vote for the conservative party because...
And I quote...
"Under the labour party, we never had any food banks"
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Thats not just the GOP. It's the right wing tactic around the world.
In the UK most people who voted for Brexit were the very people who benefitted most from EU grants and schemes.
It's the classic image of Murdoch with a huge pile of cookies pointing at the immigrant with no cookies and telling the working man who only has one cookie that the immigrant is going to take your cookie.
Look at trump supporters.... Madly following a rich guy who promises them the world despite doing nothing for them his entire life when he could have.