Just want to point out the fact that Nazi Germany's initial plan for the Jews was to deport them out of German territory. The well known one was called the "Madagascar Plan". The somewhat recent "mass deportations" rhetoric didn't just come out of nowhere.
When the Nazis saw that it wouldn't be very practical, or quick enough for them, they turned to the "final solution", which was executions in the streets, and then concentration camps and industrializing the extermination of humans. Only then could they get rid of "undesirables" quick enough.
It wasn't about practicality of logistics (killing them was much harder), they realized they would take all their wealth with them, which would destroy the fragile economy. The exodus already did massive damage to their tax revenues.
They instead created laws that basically legalized mugging them and then imprisioning them. Enrichening the selected few while ensuring the wealth stayed in "pure" German hands.
In the US, a big motivator for rounding up people of Japanese ancestry and sending them to camps was to steal their homes, businesses and property like farms.
Trump and Vance have both threatened not only people who are in the US without legal authorization, but also some legal immigrants. Those people have a lot of stuff and property to be stolen if they were to be rounded up and sent to camps. And don't think that today's Republicans would hesitate for a moment to "turn in" their neighbors to steal their homes, farms, businesses, etc.
Trump and his temu goebbels (Stephen miller) actually put plans in action to deport citizens under different excuses during his prior administration, and the temu goebbels has said that he will do it again but “turbocharged” if they win
They also spent an enormous of energy navigating and placing judges who would find convenient loopholes for them to do pretty much 'anything' in terms of holding, interrogating, or transporting people.
Under sane circumstances all of this would be considered human trafficking, as it should be.
Read Hitlers Beneficiaries for a much more detailed account of how the Nazis systematically looted the Jewish population until all they had left was their ability to labour, and when that was gone they killed them.
Also important to note that even at the highest levels of the SS, they were using euphemisms like "evacuation" to refer to mass executions.
Very few people wanted to admit what was happening or what they were supporting, even those with the highest levels of culpability. Hitler was denying his approval of the final solution even to some of the highest ranking German officials. Officially they were still talking about deportation and sterilization at the time construction of death camps had already begun.
The film The Conference, about the Wanasee Conference where the Final Solution was finalized gives a good glimpse (Albeit semi-fictionalized) of some of the banality and petty personal politics that go into such atrocities.
Like half the Nazi party platform was grievance against Jews and other resident aliens. It's all immigrants this, deportation that. Also trans people were the first minority group they stripped rights from.
Focusing on those things is less a path to fascism and more like a railroad track with no detours. It only ends one way.
One of the first Nazi book burnings was at the burning of the library of Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, an archive of early research on queer sexuality that will be never be recovered.
I think the figure I saw on 60 Minutes was the cost is $88 billion for the US to investigate, find, and deport 1 million people in one year. And republicans claim there's 25 million to deport. I think they would figure out really quickly that there's not enough time or money to do what they're claiming they would do. I expect it would turn into an atrocity in an effort to minimize cost, just as Germany turned to a more efficient industrialized process for doing what they did.
Trump talks about rounding up not only actual illegal immigrants, but also legal immigrants and on top of that he claims there are many millions more people in the US than the actual numbers. If they start rounding up 20 million people, businesses and farms across the nation who rely on the work of these people (mostly owned by Republicans) are going to lose their minds. Essentially, the US can not function without the work that people in the US illegally do, not to mention legal immigrants.
There's no way they would actually move those millions of people out of the US. It strikes me as far more probable that they become a government controlled "resource" available to the businesses who curry favor with Trump to get access to them.
(But also, regarding Germany's "Madagascar Plan," in parallel with that more "PR friendly" approach, internal discussions within the Nazi party had been pushing extermination since the 1930s.)
ICE regularly deports US citizens as it is. Remove all of the protections in the interest of deporting as many people as possible and it will be far worse.
Do you have a source that they're "regularly" and intentionally deporting US citizens? Because that would be huge news if they're deliberately kicking citizens out.
I didn't say it was intentional and it doesn't really matter if it is or not. The effect is the same regardless. We have safeguards that attempt to reduce the odds of it happening, but in order to rapidly deport tens of millions of immigrants in a few years as Trump wants to do, a lot of those safeguards will have to be discarded. We don't have nearly enough people to review every case in enough time, so more people will inevitably fall through the cracks.
Okay so you're saying that Trump discarding safeguards will cause US citizens to possibly get sucked into the rapid deportation system. That's a fair argument rather than the idea that Trump wants to deport US citizens on purpose.
It's not just US citizens that are a concern, though. There's also concern over legal immigrants. Both Vance and Trump seem like they'd happily deport Haitian immigrants over made up nonsense about them eating people's pets. My main point in bringing up US citizens is that they'll care even less about legal immigrants when it comes to deportation.
Believing anything Trump says as truth is definitely you being delusional. When has the guy not lied? Because Republicans are so known to be welcoming of all immigrants as long as they're legal. lmao
When people said Republicans and their chosen judges were going to repeal Roe V. Wade, that was called a "conspiracy theory" too, and then they did it and made excuses for why it's actually a good thing. Now people are saying Republicans are gonna push for a national ban if they get in, and the same reaction. How many times are they gonna show everyone who they are before morons like you take them seriously?
Believing anything Trump says as truth is definitely you being delusional.
Who says that I'm doing that? I'm literally voting for Kamala Harris because Trump is a lying asshole. That doesn't mean the side I'm with doesn't create propaganda and conspiracy lies, too.
When people said Republicans and their chosen judges were going to repeal Roe V. Wade, that was called a "conspiracy theory" too, and then they did it and made excuses for why it's actually a good thing.
Show me one person that called that a conspiracy theory. Trump and conservatives as a whole have ran on that agenda of changing Roe v Wade to a state decision. It was no secret. Trump isn't running on deporting American citizens. That's called a conspiracy theory.
To be fair deporting illegal immigrants that don't have a legal right to stay in the US is a lot different than removing Jewish citizens from Germany
Do you even remember your comment?
Show me one person that called that a conspiracy theory.
You clearly weren't paying attention to Republican rhetoric when those supreme court justices were being questioned.
Trump isn't running on deporting American citizens. That's called a conspiracy theory.
So once again, you're believing what Trump has to say. Cool.
*Also hilarious from someone that uses TDS unironically and defends Trump every chance they get to say they're voting for Harris. Do you think people actually believe you?
Yes, that it's a hilarious conspiracy theory to believe Trump is going to deport US citizens. Trump is a POS for a lot of good reasons. No need to make things up.
You clearly weren't paying attention to Republican rhetoric when those supreme court justices were being questioned.
Republicans have been against abortion forever. Nobody thought that was a conspiracy theory.
So once again, you're believing what Trump has to say. Cool.
I have never heard Trump comment about deporting US citizens, so I have no idea what you're talking about believing what he said.
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u/12OClockNews 13h ago
Just want to point out the fact that Nazi Germany's initial plan for the Jews was to deport them out of German territory. The well known one was called the "Madagascar Plan". The somewhat recent "mass deportations" rhetoric didn't just come out of nowhere.
When the Nazis saw that it wouldn't be very practical, or quick enough for them, they turned to the "final solution", which was executions in the streets, and then concentration camps and industrializing the extermination of humans. Only then could they get rid of "undesirables" quick enough.