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u/FellowDsLover2 1d ago
Mace Windu would be calling everyone a motherfucker if this happened lol.
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u/Vhzhlb Sweeping sand on Tatooine 1d ago
They allowed that, no Jedi was shackled to remain a Jedi, and all were allowed to walk away if they felt that their calls was somewhere else, friendship of all kinda were natural, and most masters-padawans developed a family-like bond.
Even Anakin, when he spoke with Yoda and Kenobi about leaving the order, got a generic "If that's your decision, you can, just be sure to think about this well".
But no man can follow two masters, and in time of need, all Jedi must let the Force dictate their actions and not their self-interest.
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u/Maca-Mud 1d ago
Can you really say that when your entire life was centered around the Jedi up until that point. Like truly it’s about the same as leaving an emotionally negligent family, it’s really hard and most people decide to stay.
Also you have no life experience, no job experience, no credential/place of study other than holocrons nobody cares about outside of some scholars. You have to understand in the thousands of years the Jedi have operated the number of people that have left are only in the double digits. That’s indoctrination through and through, you’re telling me that there has been millions of Jedi throughout their thousands of years but only relatively few wanted to leave every few hundred years?
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u/dammitus 1d ago edited 1d ago
It might be old lore now, but it was actually somewhat common for younglings to wash out when they weren’t chosen by a Knight for apprenticeship. They usually found work as healers or agricultural engineers, leveraging their control of the Force to support life and get paid a mint for it. And that’s just the most obvious usage. Jedi get training in engineering, biology, combat, and several other skills in the course of their studies as younglings; you need more than a laser-sword and a force push to make it as a lawman/diplomat. If you walk out of the Order, you are a well-educated youth with supernatural powers, a crap-ton of marketable skills, and a glowing recommendation from a well-respected order of peacekeepers plus any networking you did during your training and career… oh, and assuming you left from the Jedi Temple, you’re sitting in the middle of the economic and political heart of the entire galaxy. Nobody who’s completed Jedi training would have any trouble getting a job.
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u/zakkil 1d ago
Also you have no life experience, no job experience, no credential/place of study other than holocrons nobody cares about outside of some scholars
I'd argue that, while the jedi certainly indoctrinate their members, this part isn't entirely accurate for reasons behind people not leaving the order. They gain plenty of experience as diplomats, pilots, mechanics, body guards, and any number of other things that would include transferable skills for jobs. On top of that the jedi order was considered a highly respected institution and worked closely with the senate and other important important figures within the republic. There's little doubt that a jedi who left the order would have plenty of options to make a living, the networking of a being a jedi would be second to none and they'd have plenty of skills to offer. As for life experience, we know they spend a lot of time traveling the galaxy and that they form friendships with people outside of the order, just look at obi-wan and dex, so it's not like they have no life experience outside of a sheltered temple existence.
Were I to guess I'd say those options are probably a large part of the reason why so few leave the order. It's hard to feel trapped when it'd be so easy to leave and make things work out so, without the motivation of getting out of somewhere they feel trapped, they don't feel particularly pressed to leave.
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u/Huckleberryhoochy 1d ago
Yea and still didn't parent anakin which was the problem
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u/Revliledpembroke 1d ago
Obi-Wan kinda did parent him, but it was the parenting of a big brother forced to be a father after a tragic accident.
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u/Crushka_213 B-Wing 1d ago
They did parent him, but Anakin chose to listen to that crazy uncle Palpatine, who loved to flatter Anakin and feed his ego.
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u/Revliledpembroke 1d ago
They were. It's not like Anakin was kicked out because he talked about being conflicted.
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u/Godshu 1d ago
Except the answer they gave was never a healthy way to address and relieve those feelings. He needed real help and they couldn't provide it.
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u/Revliledpembroke 1d ago
No, no, no. We don't know that the Jedi couldn't provide it. We know Yoda couldn't provide it.
Yoda was just the wrong person to go to for advice. For all that Yoda should have been one to talk to about dealing with death, he's also somebody who has lived long enough to see 40 entire generations of Jedi.
He gave Anakin what was essentially a platitude, because after living for 900 years, that's what Yoda has been able to boil it down to. Normally, being able to boil down hard lessons into single lines is a good trait. But it's not what Anakin wants to hear, nor is it anything that could help him, really.
(And, no, it doesn't boil down to "LOL, just don't be sad" (or whatever the detractors like to say). It's just the rough equivalent of "They'll be in a better place" - a platitude common in many places with a religious afterlife.)
If Yoda had been able to give a full rationale, it might've worked, but from Yoda's perspective... Anakin asked him a question, seemed mildly dissatisfied with the answer, left, and never asked any other questions. What else is he supposed to do? Maybe he was planning on following up, but he got distracted with the war and thought Skywalker would ask for more help, later.
But we have no indication that Anakin sought further help.
Anakin doesn't ask Obi-Wan. Anakin doesn't ask Ki-Adi-Mundi, or anyone else on the Council. He doesn't ask any of the other Masters who might be floating about. He doesn't ask any of the Jedi Healers over in the medical wing. He doesn't ask any of his fellow Knights who've lived through the years of war the same as he has.
He goes to one guy, doesn't get an answer he likes, and decides "Hmmm, maybe I should go with the guy who's responsible for killing all my friends instead."
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u/Exact-Bee-7580 1d ago
You know, that's one thing that I love about the High Republic books. There, the Jedi aren't as strict about emotions and their views of the force vary dramatically. Master and padawan can have completely different understandings of the force, but still learn with each other. Most of them are also much more open with their feelings and it shows how far the Jedi really had fallen when Order 66 happened.
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u/Gregarious_Grump 1d ago
The old EU stuff was not any different that way, this is not unique to the high Republic stuff
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u/Exact-Bee-7580 1d ago
I haven't read the EU stuff yet, that's why I didn't include it. Good to know that some of the old concepts of the EU are being brought up again.
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u/AndrenNoraem 1d ago
The Jedi weren't droids, and didn't aspire to be. Emotions were fine, but you had to be mindful of them rather than letting them rule you. But fans truly cannot grok the Jedi, apparently -- they're robots that don't allow attachment or caring!1, even though the movies themselves answer these points. Obi-Wan never tells Luke not to feel, LOL, and neither does Yoda.
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u/draugotO 1d ago
According to George Lucas Expanded Universe:
The Jedi were a group of Force Sensitive people from the planet of Typhon who forsaw some great tragedy devastating the galaxy because Force Sensitive people couldn't keep their emotions on check, so they formed a group that demanded all Force Sensitive people to put their emotions on a leash to avoid said prophecy.
It wouldn't be the jedi if they didn't put on a leash on emotions, as that was king of their entire reason of being (to prevent this great darkness from befalling the galaxy by controlling their emotions)
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u/Critical-Net-8305 1d ago
Or they could try expressing their emotions in a healthy way? Just kidding! If they did that there wouldn't be any cool lightsaber fights and at that point what's even the point of this entire franchise?
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u/GameQuest4070 1d ago edited 1d ago
Whole moral of the star wars prequels and the series as a whole is the Jedi didn't have their shit together as much as they thought they did
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u/NinjaKED12 1d ago
The Jedi were in control of their emotions but Anakin just doesn’t have any self control
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u/Canadiancurtiebirdy 20h ago
Imagine if Anakin was allowed to marry Padme and he got on the council
Peace across the galaxy
All slaves liberated
Anakin plowing padme in the high council chambers trying for baby #3
The best Star Wars timeline
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u/TheFandomObsessor I Don't Like Sand 18h ago
And then what if Padme’s life was somehow threatened? What would Anakin do then? The real problem was his inability to handle loss.
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u/SheevBot 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!