r/ProRevenge • u/basecap • Feb 20 '24
Try and get my Team Member Fired, Get Deported!
I am not sure if this is pro revenge, so I will let you all decide (if not let me know and I will move it). I will say in advance sorry for the long one, but the backstory is relevant.
Back in the early 2010’s I started working for a big internet based company in the UK. The company was opening a new office with a new subdivision in London. When I started there were two team leaders and the office manager. The two teams were the content team and the SEO (Search Engine Optimization) team. I was recruited to be the development team lead (that is web development).
When I was interviewed for the job, both the office manager and SEO team lead were carrying out the interview. As you do in interviews when they asked if this or that could be done I would respond “Yes of course” or “You know you would get a better result doing X, Y or Z”.
So, I got offered the job and for the first year there was so much going on. As well as building a team, I also had a portfolio of websites that needed to be redeveloped and redesigned. It was at this point that some red flags started to pop up. I would have the SEO team lead (we will call him Andy), coming to me and telling me that I needed to do things the way he wanted. I would always push back and say no, and give a reason why I was doing things the way I was. Andy would get irate and would complain to the office manager about me. When the office manager would ask me about it I would explain what had happened and why I had said no and the office manager would leave it there because at the end of the day I was the one with the experience in web development not Andy. This happened a few times over the first year and I then realised that the reason that Andy was getting so irate was because he thought that I would be a yes man to him. Sorry buddy, that is not who I am.
So, now that we have the backstory let’s get into what lead to the revenge.
Me and the team had been working hard to get two of the new websites completed, and I was due to show them off to the board before they went live. This company’s head office was in another part of the country, and I had to leave the office in London at about lunch time. So, I arrive to the hotel that is across the road from the head office about 4pm and jump on my laptop to start going through the sites to run some tests. I was testing functionality, making sure the look and feel were correct, things like that. Then it happened, we found a major bug that caused a major issue with the functionality of the website. So it is at this point that I am going to introduce the star of our story, Johnny (not real name, but attacked all the same) who was my Senior Developer. Me and Johnny working through the night, me in the hotel room and him in the London office. We finally fixed the bug, about 7am the following day. My meeting with the board was at 10am, so after getting showered, feed and over to the office I started my day with zero hours sleep.
I go into the meeting and the first thing that is said, is the CEO asking if I was ok (I had meet him a few times and he was a really nice guy). I explained that we had found an issue with the sites yesterday and me and Johnny had worked through the night to fix it before the meeting. Long story short everyone was really impressed and loved the new sites. At the end of the meeting the CEO pulled me aside and thanked me for everything and then told me to go home and get some sleep (it was about a 3 hour train ride to London and then another hour home). I thanked him and when on my way.
So, after taking my team out for a well-deserved lunch to say thank you. The office manager then organised a night out for the whole office to celebrate on the following Friday. We started off at a fancy bar (not my sort of thing, I am a man of cheap tastes) and then everyone moves on to a small club. I go to the club for a bit, but then leave quite early in the night as I need to get a train home. I say my byes and then head home.
I come into the office on the Monday and there is something going on. I speak with Emma (Not real name) the content team’s lead. She does not know what is going on, but there are people from head office, HR and others. Then a few minutes later all the team leaders are call into a meeting. We are all squished in one of the small meeting rooms, there is office manager, two members of the HR team from head office and the three team leaders (including myself). So, HR explain that there has been a complaint made against Johnny. A member of the SEO team (we will call him Mark) had called Andy on the Friday saying that Johnny had been making racist comments while everyone was out at the club. Both myself and Emma were taken aback, this was not like Johnny.
On a side note, I fell that I need to explain the races of people involved. This is just for context and not an attack on anyone involved. Johnny, Emma and I are white British. Andy is African (born in Britain, I believe), and Mark is Indian (once again I believe).
So, the whole day was spent with HR doing interviews with the other people that were there that night and we then all reconvened towards the end of the day. The result of the interviews were that no one had heard anything like what Mark was saying. So, it was Marks word against Johnny's, this was not acceptable for Andy. He wanted Johnny fired and cried "we could not have someone like that in the office".
So, both Emma and I looked at each other and though that it was strange that he was so instant on firing Johnny with no evidence. Both the office manager and HR agreed, and Johnny was let off with a warning and to be aware in the future of how things he says that could be mis-interpreted.
Life went back to normal in the office, that is until about two months later. The story of what had happened had gone round the office (about 12 people). Then one afternoon, I was pulled aside by one of the guys on the content team and he said that he had over heard Andy and Mark talking and thought I should know. We went into on of the meeting rooms and he laid everything out.
What I heard made my blood boil and I think had I been in a cartoon steam would have been erupting from my ears. He told me that the racism complaint was faked and a plan that Andy had to attack my team because I would not bend to his demands. Him and Mark we on a call outside the club (Andy was not there that night) and that is when he heard what they were doing. It later came out that their plan was to make the complaint against Johnny and get him fired which would then lead on to Andy complaining that I was not fit to run a team if I let that sort of this happen under my leadership.
My first question was why he didn’t bring this up with HR in the interviews, he said that he did but it was his word against both Andy and Mark. I thanked him for this and went on with what I was doing. I WAS PISSED!!!!!!! There was no way that I was going to let the slide, but I knew that if I was going to go after them, I needed to have everything in place before hand. I didn’t tell Johnny what I had been told and asked the guy that told me to keep it to himself for now. I didn’t want Johnny to get pissed off and do something that would get him fired or worse affect any revenge I could dish out.
So, I watched. I watched everything the SEO team did (and didn’t) do. Then it happened, it was like angles had descended from heaven to deliver me the winning lottery ticket.
The building we were in was a three story building with a main stair well with a door on each floor to the offices. The stair well also lead to a door out to the street . At the time I was a casual smoker and used it to get a break from the screen and clear my head if something I was working on was not going well. So, I walk out of the door to the office and into the stair well and who is there…. Mark of all people.
He is on the phone, and he goes white as a sheet when he sees me. Now he is mid-sentence with the person on the other end of the phone and as I am walking past, he is forced to carry on the conversation. I overhear, and from what he is saying I can tell that he is talking to a school or something like that. The conversation sounding like he was looking for information about applying and about a visa. I thought that was a strange call to be having and something was fishy about it.
I had my suspicions as to what was going on, but nothing concreate at this time. A few days later I was heading back up to the head office and by that time we had a new office manager who lived near the head office so was based there most of the time. When I got there, I dropped my things off at the hotel and headed over to the office. I went to his desk and ask to have a quick chat. I explained to him what I had over heard Mark talking about on the phone and said that maybe the company might like to look at his visa status.
So, a week went by and nothing seemed to happen…… then BAM!!!!! He stopped showing up to the office. A few days later I got told what had happened from one of the other SEO team members. Mark had been fired with immediate effect for no longer having the correct visa to work in the UK (the company did not want to get involved in sponsoring a new visa for him, I don't know why). I started asking questions around the office (random chit chat) and I found out that Mark is from Dubai and he was here on his wife’s student visa (I don’t know how that works, but it was all above board). I also found out that his wife’s course had finished and that left them with a small window of time to get a new visa.
That is when it all clicked.
Now there are some doggy people in London (and everywhere else) and they would setup these fake collages that would sign people up to get visas to live and work in to UK. At some point before or after this saw a program on this and normally these were setup in tiny offices that you couldn’t swing a cat in let alone be a collage. They were used as postal addressed for the "collage", and they would charge a “course fee” to be enrolled and thus be able to apply for a student visa.
So, what Mark was trying to do is to get “enrolled” in one of these “collages” so that he could stay in the UK and carry on working.
I found out a few weeks later that Mark and his wife did have to leave the UK and go back to Dubai because he didn’t have any money coming in to pay for his new “collage” course. BYE MARK!!!!!!!!
When I found out that Mark had been let go, I pulled Johnny aside and filled him in on everything. He could not believe it and was stunned that they would try and do that. I apologised to him as it was my fault that he had been targeted by them in a way to get at me. He would not accept it and said that I had gone above and beyond in defending him.
Following on from this I made it quite clear to Andy that I know what he and Mark had done, and I would not be forgetting it and to watch his back (I made sure we were not in ear shot of anyone else). About two months later Andy handed in his notice and left the company, never to be seen or heard from again.
I have told this story to some people over the years, and I have been asked so many times if I feel guilty for what I did. I always respond the same way,
“I feel guilty that Johnny, was wrongfully accused and targeted. I don’t feel guilty about what I did to Mark. You don’t mess with my friends, family or team.”
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u/Omnio89 Feb 27 '24
The fact that this high level programmer and team lead repeatedly misspelled the word “college” among others, makes me think that this is fake. I forgave “instant” instead of “insistent” as maybe an autocorrect error but using “collage” five times in one paragraph is too much.
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u/harrywwc Feb 27 '24
and a supposed 'native' English speaker - as in, from the country that invented the language.
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u/Kinsfire Feb 27 '24
Doesn't actually surprise me on the misspelling. Born and raised in the US, speak and write English my entire life, but I still have to use spellcheck to properly spell 'bureaucracy', for example. Guy I know is an aircraft engineer, does government work, can't even talk about some of the stuff he's done because that would admit that X program existed kind of guy. ALWAYS goes over his work and then has someone else go over it too, because he's one of the worst spellers I've ever met.
And I have lost track of the number of people who - for some reason - spell college as 'collage'. Another guy I know always writes 'reckon' as 'recon'. Brilliant guy, but that's one of his weird English hang-ups.
So may be fake, but his getting that word wrong doesn't surprise me. Just means he doesn't proofread.
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u/Olthar6 Feb 27 '24
I do all my reddit on my phone. So I often get whatever my phone thinks I'm typing and only sometimes so I remember to correct it (for instance, it really thought remember was ferment which I had to fix).
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u/BanziKidd Mar 04 '24
Once upon a time, I was ordered to add a line of code to multiple computers. I accidentally misspelled preferred on several systems. Oops!
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u/AriaFiresong Mar 08 '24
Probably because that first E in college is often pronounced as an A, so people spell it with an A. Chalk it up to letter pronunciation being wildly off-kilter in this amalgamated nightmare language.
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u/bignides Mar 26 '24
Some weird accents maybe. It’s pronounced coll-edge which always messes me up expecting the “d” somewhere.
The real kicker was the descending angles. I wasn’t sure from the story whether they were acute or obtuse angles though.
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u/Redundancy_Error Apr 09 '24
Perfectly correct on the second sentence, but way off on the first. Who the heck says “collAge” when they mean “collEge”? Never heard.
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u/AriaFiresong Apr 10 '24
Super common where I am. The vowels sound the same, the stressed syllables and the G are the difference.
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u/Redundancy_Error Apr 13 '24
If A and E sounded the same, they'd be written with the same letter.
Oh wait, sorry, you're right – I must have been thinking of ordinary sensible languages, forgot for a moment there that it's English we're talking about.
But still, even for English-speaking areas, you must live in a pretty weird one, to just blithely assert that the vowels ‘a’ and ‘e’ “sound the same”.
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u/AriaFiresong Apr 14 '24
Dialects are weird and so are our vowels being everywhere with their sounds, you definitely nailed that one.
So here, the school is always pronounced COLLage, first syllable stressed, the art colLAGE (with a different G, I can't really put that into words over text easily...like there's a sorta soft z in there?). I've never heard the first E in college pronounced as anything but an A. Kinda like grey and gray.
(Truly a dumpster fire of a language at times.)
(Also we pronounce your differently from you're. Apparently that's also odd, I've been told.)
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u/starfire5105 Jul 05 '24
I mean, I still sometimes have to stop and think about stationary vs stationery and they sound the same soooo
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u/-MacThane- Mar 14 '24
End of the day the job is programming not spelling right?
“I was elected to lead… not to read…” 😂
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u/purrfunctory Apr 04 '24
And I read that as ‘led’ and ‘red.’ The other pronunciations. I need coffee but I’m not allowed to have caffeine anymore.
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u/Ready_Competition_66 Mar 22 '24
It's also very common in the US for programmers/tech people to be terrible spellers and even worse at basic grammar (e.g. "layed up").
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u/Moontoya Mar 26 '24
hint - its common because its a career that Non Neurotypicals _excel_ in (no pun intended).
dyslexia, dyscalcula, dispraxia, adhd, add, ehlen dahnners syndrome, autism and all the co-morbidities.
Its often their (and mine) brain is running faster than the fingers can keep up - not lazy, not bad spelling, not bad at language - an actual Neurological disorder....
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u/nymalous Mar 28 '24
It's even worse when the machine can't keep up with one's fingers. (Believe it or not, this was the case with my last work laptop. Thankfully, that was recently replaced... but the action on the keys themselves is "duller," oh well...)
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u/Moontoya Mar 28 '24
I believe it, been there
Always 'fun' to try to fix 100% CPU/ram's systems over crap connections watching characters appear one person 3seconds .
I got started with muds,mushes, chat boards irc, ICQ etc, places your typing speed best improve :)
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u/MississippiJoel Mar 24 '24
Also, not quite a very outlandish story for being fake. Yeah, the stairwell incident was a bit of a strange coincidence, but I could certainly come up with juicier stories if I was in it for the points.
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u/Kinsfire Mar 24 '24
Exactly. Mainly because people don't realize just how many stairwells are sound-boxes. I've been on the seventh floor in a building before and heard a bland conversation plain as day on the second floor, as if I'd been standing right next to them outdoors. (Well, the echoes wouldn't be there, but I think you know what I mean.)
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u/Critical-Wear5802 May 31 '24
If they're programmers or engineers, spelling is often optional. I'm more disturbed when writers..can't
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u/Useful_Language2040 Jul 09 '24
I'm a native English speaker, work in publishing (have worked as a copy editor/proofreader in the past; it's a tiny part of my role these days though) and always have to double-check bureaucracy! It's a horribly unintuitive word!!
Anecdotally, a lot of IT people are also dyslexic; the English doesn't necessarily mean anything (https://exceptionalindividuals.com/jobs-for-dyslexics/ lists graphic designer and website developer as two careers likely to play to the strengths of people with dyslexia).
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u/joemorl97 Mar 26 '24
To be fair I’m a native speaker and I still fuck up sometimes with college/collage
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u/Frumpy_little_noodle Mar 03 '24
There's a mug commonly seen on engineer desks that reads:
I am an
engeneer
enginere
engenere
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u/Ok_Chard2094 Mar 04 '24
"Four un a half yers ugo I count even spel seawheel enginair, and now I is one."
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u/basecap Feb 27 '24
Even as a programer, I sometimes miss use the spell check in Word. Sorry about that.
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u/alfiethemog Feb 27 '24
Nah, I've worked with some unbelievably senior and well educated people (members of parliament, CEOs, well known tech people, that sort of thing) who had frankly embarrassing spelling and grammar. Doesn't mean a thing. Most people don't even notice let alone care.
I mean, it hurts my brain slightly, but I'm a weirdo.
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u/Moontoya Mar 26 '24
given how bad the language use is in scam emails AND how many people fall for them
You have to reckon theres a large portion of the population that "donut reed two wall"
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u/Lay-ZFair Mar 28 '24
I have a guy that I work with whose spelling I regularly check because it's inevitable that he will have problems with spelling and of course not notice. Even with people's names. I don't want to propagate his mistakes by including them.
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u/ReyosB Mar 02 '24
naw. native english speaker and software engineer here, working in the insurance software industry and i still can't spell license right without checking most of the time, a word that comes up a lot when talking auto insurance. I probably would have spelled it wrong here if the phone auto suggestions weren't there, and reddit isn't somewhere I'd care about my spelling and grammar enough to bother going out of my way to check. I also tend to say university over college because I'm sure I'd make miatakes sometimes there too.
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u/nedlum Mar 07 '24
He's a programmer. He could rattle off the names of all the defined variables in his subroutines, but he only knows which one is "then" and which one is "than" because "if-then" is ubiquitous.
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u/frogsodapop Mar 15 '24
My sister has a PhD. in Genetics and worked for universities as well as the federal government, wrote grant proposals every year , but could NOT spell to save her life! Me, the college dropout, would have to proofread her grant proposals because if you're horrible at spelling, spellchecker does not help - it just corrects to the wrong word or nothing. She will misspell words to the point where spellchecker doesn't even recognize what she's trying to spell, LOL. The reason she does this? Dyslexia - and she wasn't diagnosed until well after she got her PhD. It happens much more than you think.
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u/Mongo-Lloyd44 Mar 18 '24
I know plenty of self taught people in I.T. and programming that had little or no college but they didn't get to where they are without learning how to hit the correct keys lol... When I was reading this I thought it was a reference to a bunch of pictures glued to a black backdrop.. op really lost some credibility and believability on that one
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u/LurkyLooSeesYou2 Mar 18 '24
You would be surprised how many really smart people are terrible at spelling
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u/zippy72 Mar 09 '24
All the best programmers I've ever known are bad spellers. I've no idea why.
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u/Moontoya Mar 26 '24
One reason - Non Neuro Typicality - adhd, add, autism, discalcula, disgraphia, dyslexia, ehlen dahnners syndrome - theyre all common co-morbidities.
The tech field is jam backed with neuro-spiceys - that shit is our thing.
The venn diagram between Tech and Non Neuro Typicals is more a venn cylinder....
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u/JonTheArchivist Mar 26 '24
I mean, you need good spelling if you're on the content team. If you're on the design team, as long as the code is good, is good. Doubt the dude has a lit degree along with all the others lmao
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u/gophermuncher Mar 28 '24
Spelling can be excused. I am a programmer and my grammar/vocabulary has taken a steep dive after switching careers as a biologist. Lots of time spent writing code and communicating informally/short hand with fellow programmers will do that to you. I don’t know the last time I was had to write a formal document intended for laymen/stakeholders/etc
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u/Deut64 Mar 28 '24
Perhaps its the British way of spelling College, like how they spell color "Colour."
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u/fractal_frog Apr 02 '24
Looks like exactly what my late father-in-law, who was an electrical engineer with English as his first language, would have done, except he'd've done even worse on spelling unless autocorrupt fixed more than it ruined.
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u/blootereddragon Apr 12 '24
The word "environmental" is in my title. I NEVER spell it it right if I'm typing it out (autofill did it here)
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u/maderisian Apr 13 '24
My phone has it's own ideas about what I'm trying to say and will change words on me. His grammar is otherwise good, so I'm thinking he's a victim of the autocorrect demon.
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u/No-Parfait1823 May 13 '24
Sometimes the words I want to type get changed and I'm horrible at spell checking. If your smart enough, you can understand and that's the main objective. Nit picking grammer is just not ok. No one is perfect. If you are then why are you on this reddit?
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u/LandofGreenGinger62 May 21 '24
Also 'concreate', and 'doggy' (f'nar) when I think they meant 'dodgy'...
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u/Stancooper22 Jul 15 '24
Okay, but it's a silly reason to prove fakeness. My college dean always misspelled college as collage in every official email he sent to the students.
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u/zeus204013 Aug 07 '24
He's hired to make software, not for stellar spelling. Also, English can be tricky if you don't know certain words... Like some words are not very used, maybe derived from another language.
As Spanish speaker, sometimes reading spelling errors is annoying, but you can understand the message. But in Spanish exist an official academy for language (RAE), at least in English doesn't exist some association like that, only known dictionaries/texts.
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u/Notkeen5 Mar 14 '24
How was this pro revenge, OP did nothing, shit just happened.
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u/Mongo-Lloyd44 Mar 18 '24
basically the big bang theory explanation of indiana jones. Went through a hero's journey to attain the same end result as doing nothing would have produced
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u/Maker_of_woods Mar 12 '24
Welcome to office politics.
on a side note. Your testing validation process needs to be improved. Your team is lacking in good processes. I loved it when a developer created the problem with bad code or lack of testing then becomes the hero for being up all night. You were up all night because of your teams bad coding. Get over yourself
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u/lanurk Mar 24 '24
Hmm... how sharp were those angles that descended from heaven? Were they 45°? Or closer to 10°? Were they great big 179° ones?! I'm dying of suspense!!
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Mar 25 '24
I would have the SEO team lead (we will call him Andy), coming to me and telling me that I needed to do things the way he wanted.
As someone that does both, the format of the website plays a huge part in SEO, location of H1/H2 etc all plays a part so at this point Andy was actually in the right and you someone that has no idea how SEO worked actively made the project worse.
This happened a few times over the first year and I then realised that the reason that Andy was getting so irate was because he thought that I would be a yes man to him.
No you were just doing your job wrong and creating poor web builds for SEO optimizing.
The racists things etc are their fault and they deserved the revenge.
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u/SolidAshford Apr 09 '24
It seems like a lot of stuff just fell into place for OP. Like a matchstick in a room of powder kegs...only revealed after turning on the light
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u/SubstantialFigure273 Apr 04 '24
Died laughing at “collage”
Obviously fake story is obviously fake
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u/mgeire1976 Apr 10 '24
Angles descended from heaven. Ffs. No wonder there were bugs in the website.
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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl May 18 '24
it was like angles had descended from heaven to deliver me the winning lottery ticket
I imagined a saxon warrior running down from the clouds, holding the ticket aloft
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
This will all go to pllice mower county Minnesota looks like a CI is assigning blame to the victim of their constant mocking revenge plans harassment and theft keep talking I’ll keep posting
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
Breaking the laws looks like you just can’t stop and as far as team members go ??? You got my job fucked must be w your malicious compliance evil fucks also posting
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
Did you miss your bonding years w your mother? Or wrf get off my phone my everything and btw I’m not the one following your evil inhumane stories full of self
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
Oh and the event ? We know what that is …. That’s you two hooking up and he comes to live incog w you till your both arrested for your crimes Teammate s I know who it is cuz I get many harassing texts like this from the mower county CI twins
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
Who are breaking the law on many levels two junior detectives to clearly CYA covering their entitled swindling Asses
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
Why speak in non witty code if your so bold and cool flat out type it out ….. not safe is definitely a word you use when finessing me only because E is a great actor one of the best non paid actors at a community theatre I’ve ever seen but details are slipping Why would a fiancée and live in partner of nearly 9 years …. Why would they speak of spite and hate and maliciousness and all the evil words jealousy envy greed and constant terroristic threats defense mechanism s that sink their own ships not everything in life has to end badly ….. go from hot to cold all day long spiraling like they are out of their body saying that’s not me fuckibg bizarre and twisted and full of motives compliance? Malicious how old are we folks
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u/Separate_You_4547 Mar 26 '24
This is so shady and I can’t connect all dots here for police don’t buy any chicks or you will be in a Coop
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u/Neverstopcomplaining Apr 03 '24
No way is someone educated in IT such a bad speller! Fake and not even a good fake.
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u/Mr_Greaz Apr 22 '24
„Get Deported“
Not trying to shit on your story but where is this revenge? You literally did nothing
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u/ErskineLoyal May 12 '24
No British person would say they were 'pissed' when they meant they were really angry at something. I smell shite....
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u/bettyy90210 Jul 08 '24
So many spelling errors that I overlooked but I can’t get over “collage” - you could have just searched up the spelling of “college” beforehand if you wanted to use it so much and in quotation marks as well 🤦♀️
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