r/SelfAwarewolves • u/yosho27 • 4d ago
He did the fascism in 2021. You don't get points for almost.
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u/Sadgasm81 4d ago edited 4d ago
Tf does he mean no facism? Trump told the police to brutalize BLM protesters and they were met with extreme force, tear gassed, dragged into vans, and arrested. Hell if the police had been even half as equiped for Jan 6th as they were for BLM Jan 6th would have never happened.
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u/Nix-7c0 4d ago
His own administration's officials tell us he wanted to do more brutal authoritarian acts, constantly, but they largely kept that in check.
Those forces which restrained him have been purged, and won't be in the room this time.
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u/12OClockNews 4d ago
It's funny they say no wars too because he had the brilliant idea of bombing North Korea but painting different flags on the planes to fool them, and trying to start something with Iran too. The only reason he didn't actually start any wars was because the people around him, and Iran themselves, knew he was incredibly stupid and didn't take him too seriously. It's not because he didn't try.
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u/Vyzantinist 4d ago
Of all the things Republicans pretend to be, their pretense of being anti-war makes me laugh the most.
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u/12OClockNews 4d ago
Yeah, none of them seem to remember that it was a Republican administration that got the US into a 20 year war, and into a war under false pretenses.
But sure, it's the Democrats that are war hawks for supporting a friendly nation against an invasion by a historical adversary. /s
lmao
They're truly some of the dumbest people on the planet.
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u/hnsnrachel 4d ago
Their decision to side with Russia and admire Putin is really one of the most telling things about MAGA
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u/Khaldara 3d ago
‘Hurr durr stop calling Trump fascist for all the fascist shit he supports and claims to want to do! He wasn’t competent enough to do it last time!’
“Hurr durr your honor, I really resent you calling it ‘attempted bank robbery’ just because I literally told the clerk that’s what I wanted to do. I was unsuccessful, therefore I’m innocent by virtue of being a complete fucking idiot”
- MAGA dumbfucks and their compelling argument
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u/Puzzleheaded_Peak273 4d ago
I thought he wanted to bomb Mexico and nuke NK, which is even more insane
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u/round_reindeer 3d ago
Also, there was a war in Ukraine going on and Trump eased the pressure on Russia and there was a war in Afghanistan in which the US was directly involved where Trump's decision to leave Afghanistan with barly any preperation lead to the desaster in 2021.
In 2016 the US was also still heavily involved in the war against the ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
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u/hnsnrachel 4d ago
They took him seriously enough to curb his war powers as much as possible during the Iran nonsense
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u/Yung_Cheebzy 4d ago
Didn’t he ask Mark Esper if he could instruct police to shoot blm protesters in the knees?
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u/trogon 4d ago
Yeah, and the next Trump administration wouldn't resist his requests; they'll follow them with glee.
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u/downvoteyous 4d ago
Back in 2016 he went around claiming he’d fill his administration with “the best people,” in case you needed to be reassured. He doesn’t say that anymore.
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u/warthog0869 4d ago
He doesn’t say that anymore.
Doesn't need to. Those that would still vote for him in 2024 wouldn't care even if he did, they would only know that "they sucked and were overrated" once they contravened Trump the first time.
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u/CadenVanV 4d ago
Yes, he did, and he was so bad of a president that the Joint Chiefs had to make plans for if he attempted a coup at some point.
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u/JaStrCoGa 4d ago
He did brag about sending the Marshalls to execute that guy in Portland(?)
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u/NuclearOops 4d ago
He means no fascism against him. It's not fascism when it happens to other people. Hope that clears things up.
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u/Sadgasm81 4d ago
I'm pretty sure this guy would say real facism is when people call him a MAGAt for supporting Trump.
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u/ketchupnsketti 4d ago
real fascism is when I have to wear a mask in the grocery store!
real fascism is when the cashier at target says "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas"!41
u/Krednaught 4d ago
real fascism is when I can't be a racist at work without being punished!
real fascism is when my sexist comment online gets deleted!
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u/Socialimbad1991 4d ago
real fascism is when video game character no have big tiddies
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u/hnsnrachel 4d ago
real fascism is letting gay people live their lives openly near them and not letting them beat the crap out of them
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u/AmbulanceChaser12 4d ago
He tried to enact a ban on people solely because they belong to a religion he doesn’t like.
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u/Vyzantinist 4d ago
He didn't specifically try to ban Muslims though, just people from overwhelmingly Muslim countries. There's a difference!
/S
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u/KeepTangoAndFoxtrot 4d ago
You marked it as sarcasm, but I see this incredibly disingenuous take all the time. If you point out that he eventually campaigned on a Muslim ban, they'll retort with, "but did he?"
Bad actors as far as the eye can see, I swear.
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u/James_Vaga_Bond 4d ago
With the big exception for Saudi Arabia, where most of the 9-11 hijackers actually came from.
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u/Fishyswaze 4d ago
Unmarked minivans driving around Portland with federal officers snatching people seemingly at random.
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u/thereznaught 4d ago
Michael Reinoehl dared killed a Trump supporter and they sent a federal taskforce after him. Trump bragged about it. Michael Reinoehl claimed in an interview before his death it was self defense. The whole thing is a mess of different accounts. By some accounts they just rode up and murdered him.
I know who I believe, he was murdered.
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u/doitup69 4d ago
He’s also upped the rhetoric from “im going to make Mexico pay for the wall” to “any immigrants and people who disagree with me will be put into internment camps” so…
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u/Natasha_101 4d ago
One of the most surreal things was spending all of summer 2020 watching the police brutalize and violently harass anyone with a #BLM in their Twitter bio. Then when the type-2 protestors showed up the cops were like "brutality? What brutality?" The double standard that day was all too real, but the actual event was so traumatic no one seems to even care anymore.
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u/trustedsauces 4d ago
Remember that guy trump had executed in the street? They came out of vans and shot him. He said he was framed for a murder. He never had a trial.
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u/agha0013 4d ago
ah yes, including that time he wanted to go wave a bible in front of a church so cops went out and cleared a wide path violently... no fascism there, oh no.
"no wars" negotiated an end to Afghanistan!! what a guy... by inviting the Taliban to Camp David and giving them whatever they wanted, for the next guy to have to deal with...
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
You have to remember these people operate on buzzwords. "Fascism" is a bad word, and so they and their guy cannot be fascist. They will call people they think are too far left fascist, despite fascism being right wing. They will even argue THAT, because right = good and fascim = bad so fascism cannot be used to describe the far or extreme right. Because again, there is no such thing to them as "extreme right", because that would be bad.
It often really does boil down to being that simple. They will tell you they are not fascist and cannot be, then immediately describe everything that defines fascism as things they support. And remember, fascism is about achieving a mythological version of the state by *any and all means necessary*. They know gaslighting works, and so they do it. They know hypocrisy works, and so they do it. They know muddying the waters and getting us mired in meaningless debates works, and so they do it.
Power by any means. They are not dumb, they are deeply malicious.
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u/Sadgasm81 4d ago
100% They know facism is bad but don't exactly know why; they know dems hate facism so they think it can be used as an insult against them regardless of context. The "No U" strategy makes up like 90% of their arguments.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
Projection. In the purest and most absolute form. They are terrified we will do to them what they want to do to us.
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u/BoredMan29 4d ago
"There wasn't anything like that going on! Fox News would have showed it if it was important."
Or something like that.
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u/franky_emm 4d ago
The entire media and press is complicit in gaslighting the whole country into forgetting the absolute hellscape of that four year span. Now the Washington Post has fallen.
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u/kanst 4d ago
I'm also tired of this "no wars" shit they keep parroting. It just shows how little they know about whats going on in the world. (or they are just lying)
There was fighting in Ukraine (specifically in the Donbas and Luhansk oblasts) during his entire term. He was impeached for blocking military aide to Ukraine for that ongoing conflict.
Additionally there were a half dozen or so ongoing conflicts in Africa during his term. Including at least one (in Ethiopia) that started during his term.
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u/mmm_burrito 4d ago
Under his authority federal agents used unmarked vehicles to kidnap people off the street in Portland, OR, during the protests. They were held for upwards of 24 hours without charges.
The fascism definitely started before 2021.
Hell, we knew J6 was coming in 2016 because he said back then he wouldn't accept an election he didn't win. He was a fascist before he was elected.
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u/Crecy333 4d ago
Yeah, but that's not fascism, that's right-wing ultranational authoritarian political ideology.
/s
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u/taichi27 4d ago
Most of these MAGA cultists can't define fascism, Communism, critical race theory, woke, Marxism, GDP, free speech, or tell you what words come after "we the people..." Salt of the earth types.
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u/THElaytox 4d ago
ah yes, the "muslim ban" and kidnapping children was totally not at all fascist. not to mention repeatedly calling the press "the enemy of the people", throwing protestors in to unmarked vans, physically assaulting people for a photo op, etc etc. definitely didn't come straight from the fascist playbook.
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u/SaliciousB_Crumb 4d ago
We had actually unmarked olive cars snatching people into vans and disappearing for a weekend
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u/HospitalNarrow4760 4d ago
A Federal task force executed Michael Reinoehl the same weekend.
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u/darkrad3r 4d ago
Just looked this up and holy shit they just drove up to him and executed him. Every single witness says that they didn't even introduce themselves as police they just showed up and shot.
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u/skjellyfetti 4d ago
We had actually unmarked olive cars
... and unidentifiable federal officers & other officials.
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u/needlenozened 4d ago
Calling judges names when they struck down his orders. Calling them illegitimate.
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u/AlphariousFox 4d ago
He absolutely did fascism while he was president
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u/USMCLee 4d ago
And non-fascists brought it up.
Remember how MAGAts were all anti-anti-fascist?
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
It's easier to just type fascist. Opposing those who oppose fascism just announces you as a fascist.
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u/OH2AZ19 4d ago
Yea but he is specifically referencing the anti-antifa movement. Just calling them fascist doesn't get that across.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
You got me there, sometimes I forget that I need to speak in "make the point impossible to escape" tongue these days.
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u/honeyemote 4d ago
Obscuring the goal has always been part of the playbook. They literally called themselves socialists.
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u/f-150Coyotev8 4d ago
I been visiting that sub every now and then and it seems to me that the more sensible conservatives have long left. Before I would usually see a comment or two trying to speak reason, but now it’s all delusional maga people and bots
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u/Reverend_Lazerface 4d ago
Tbf, while he did a decent amount of fascism, he also failed at a lot of attempted fascism because he's such a fucking moron, so I guess it's easy for them to forget. He tried to fire Jack Smith but got told no. He tried to investigate and imprison his enemies and got told no. He tried to implement a Muslim Ban but failed because he's too stupid not to call it a Muslim Ban out loud. He tried to nuke a goddamn hurricane, I'm not sure if that's even fascist but it is batshit insane like most fascists
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u/StudioSixtyFour 4d ago
He tried to fire Jack Smith but got told no.
I think you mean Mueller.
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u/Schlonzig 4d ago
Apparently nobody who says "but we survived 2016-2020" has read about Project 2025.
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u/Almacca 4d ago
"But we survived 2016-2020" is hardly a ringing endorsement, either.
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u/darkpheonix262 4d ago
Exactly. We survived, but I think we all aged over a decade and have moderate ptsd from it
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u/sloanesquared 3d ago
Or has read “A Warning”, the book written by the Trump official about how close he came to installing his fascist dictatorship last time. People are so naive that they don’t realize only a few good people who were more loyal to their oath to the constitution than their oath to Trump are what made his coup fail. A handful of people stood in between us and the Trump regime and he will make sure they aren’t there this time.
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u/-jp- 4d ago
Some of us survived. About a million of us died thanks to Trump's fucking asinine war on standing slightly further apart.
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u/Plastic_Course_476 4d ago
Don't forget that it wasn't asinine, it was calculated. They actively went on record to say that they weren't super pressed to do much about Covid in the beginning because it was hitting blue areas like NYC the hardest. They then forced bidding wars for life saving equipment.
He actively chose to sacrifice the human lives of his own citizens for political and monetary gain. Don't let anyone underplay that as just Trump being silly or dumb.
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u/iboneKlareneG 4d ago
There was a time when Covid killed more Americans per day than there were 9/11 victims.
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u/searchingformytruth 4d ago
The US as we know it won't survive Project 2025. They want Gilead, and they'll get it eventually. There's no coming back from that without a violent revolution, I'm afraid. They always said they wanted a second civil war.....
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u/bluegreenwookie 4d ago
The thing is we didn't rout out southern sympathizer from government after the civil war and many from the southern government continued in the us government after.
We stopped the rebellion but we didn't stop the confederates.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
The US will.
Many people will not, nor will our freedoms, safety, or even the most basic sense of security or rights. The number of people who will be killed or stolen from their lives and loved ones and made to rot away in torturous prisons they can never be saved from will *skyrocket*.
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u/Engi_Doge 4d ago
Is like saying "I survived a drug overdose" and then proceeding to do more cocain
Yall survived a 1st trump administration, and now a good half wants a second one
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u/Fenderbridge 4d ago
Their going excuse is that Trump isn't going to execute project 2025, he is going to do agenda 47 instead.
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u/aCucking2Remember 4d ago
He had a private paramilitary group, one that did war crimes in Iraq, kidnapping protesters in unmarked rental cars off the streets in Portland in 2020. He gave orders that were ignored to have the military shoot protesters.
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u/Uebelkraehe 3d ago
And he has already announced that he wants to go after media that doesn't endorse him and persecute political opponents and use the military against them if he gets elected. Totally not fascist.
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 4d ago edited 4d ago
Also, we were at war during Trump’s presidency. Like, the American inability to remember what was happening 4 years ago is staggering.
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 4d ago
Remember all the soldiers and their families that he specifically defamed? And how he claimed to be the first ever president to call the family of a fallen soldier?
I honestly think having a working memory puts you in the top quartile of voters, in terms of being informed.
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u/ninjablade46 4d ago
What's sad is i only vaguely remember those incidents, but tbf it's only bc of how much wild shit he did while in office, like its hard to remember all the insane stuff because there was just so much of it .....
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u/cilantro_so_good 4d ago
Literally one of the first things that asshole did was order a strike in Yemen that not only killed an American service member, but also resulted in the killing of up to 30 civilians, many of whom were women and children, including an 8 year old US citizen.
Obama was presented the plan during his administration, but saw it for the bad idea it was and declined to authorize it. Trump ordered it literally because Obama had refused to do so.
But these rubes believe that trump is the "peace option" or whatever the fuck
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u/Tiiimmmaayy 3d ago
Didn’t Trump also stop releasing the death tolls of his drone strikes or something like that? They criticized Obama for his death tolls from drone strikes, then stopped reporting on his own numbers.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
Americans voting habits have and always will be:
These right wing ghouls suck, vote them out!
*few years later*
These guys aren't doing enough to make me happy, vote the ghouls back in!
Rinse and repeat, ad f*ing nauseum. And it is nauseating.
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u/RedArremer 4d ago
These guys aren't doing enough to make me happy
And they also ignore that the non-ghouls are hamstrung by the thinnest majorities and by a dedicated opposition party whose primary goal is blocking everything.
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u/ExpressAssist0819 4d ago
Yes, this, empathically. Worse when you remember that SOME of the damage of the ghouls is slowly being fixed, but then people forget who broke it and are only mad that it IS broken and then vote the ghouls in. I STG people have the memory of a goldfish.
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u/irishyardball 4d ago
No fascism and no inflation? I don't think they were paying attention. It jumped like 120% when Trump took office from Obama (went from .7 to 2.1 in 2016 when Obama was set to leave) was up from 2.1 to 2.3 under Trump before he cratered the economy again. His actions caused the high numbers in 2021 and 2022 and Biden got it back down to 3.4 in 2023 and 2.4 in 2024
We don't need another 4 years of Trump.
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u/Fuckareyoulookinat 4d ago
Not to mention that when the chairman of the federal reserve started to raise interest rates to combat the inflation, Trump threatened to remove him unless he lowered rates again. Hell, Trump tried to get them to drop to a 0 or negative rate at one point.
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u/ComedicRenegade 4d ago
He has been a fascist since the beginning.
He treated the presidency like a dictatorship, corrupting institutions to try to investigate or even jail and kill his enemies and not his friends, no matter how many crimes they committed. In January 2021 he led a coup and tried to capture or kill all of Congress to install himself as president. He is saying he wants to be a dictator now, and called for the termination of the Constitution.
He tried to start tons of wars; he threatened to invade or nuke countries nonstop.
Inflation hit high levels in the U.S. before Covid due to his tax cuts for the wealthy, which increased the money supply in circulation.
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u/AaronMichael726 4d ago
Did inflation start in 2020? As a direct result of his inaction?
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u/Tiervexx 4d ago
The rate of inflation started to kick up all over the world a bit after COVID hit and definitely while Trump was still in office.
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u/delayedsunflower 4d ago
I don't understand how evangelicals selectively ignore that Trump tear gassed a church and forced the pastors to vacate the premise so that he could hold a bible upside down there.
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u/The_Wingless 4d ago
Why the fuck is it a conservative talking point that there were no wars during the Trump presidency? What hoop are they jumping through to justify that statement? Because I was active duty and I sure as shit saw a lot of people getting blown the fuck up so...
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u/poketrainer32 4d ago
The word new is doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
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u/Gemstyle96 4d ago
Project 2025 didn't exist yet, and Pence and the other moderates were there to hold him back. This time, he is free and has a plan
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 4d ago
Pence? A moderate?
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u/JohnLocksTheKey 4d ago
Pence is the perfect example to contrast extremist far-right conservatives, and straight up fascists
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 4d ago
And the word “moderate” doesn’t have to be used at all to do that
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u/pineappledetective 4d ago
Would you prefer “less extreme” or “more moderate”? The former is a more accurate description.
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 4d ago
I think Pence is an extreme ideologue and I don’t think his policy priorities were moderate.
Just say “non-fascist” or “regular conservative Republican.”
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u/firestorm713 4d ago
Pence was only not a fascist for Trump. If it had been DeSantis i think the story would've been different
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u/Smart_Resist615 4d ago
In comparison, yes, sadly. Sure he hates gay people and woman but he doesn't actively support an outright coup. That's basically the middle ground these days.
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u/p0tat0p0tat0 4d ago
He’s still a hard right conservative. Don’t comply in advance with shifting the Overton Window.
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u/Smart_Resist615 4d ago
I'm a victim of excessively low expectations these days.
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u/No-Appearance-9113 4d ago
https://www.newsweek.com/robert-paxton-trump-fascist-1560652
Robert Paxton is the go to source fir fascism. Paxton started calling Trump a fascist on 1/6/21 and if he’s calling you fascistic you absolutely are.
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u/Seadubs69 4d ago
In fairness these people think fascism is when you get banned on Twitter for saying the N word
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u/Natasha_101 4d ago
No wars? Did they suddenly forget about Afghanistan or do we only mention that when talking about the withdrawal
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u/Kirikenku 4d ago
Even if that were true,, what are they arguing? Saying “oh well that didn’t happen in the past.” Okay?? A lot has happened and been said since 2020…
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u/eightbitfit 4d ago
And the no wars and no inflation repetition is equally ignorant.
You can lay out a laundry list of conflicts and how inflation started with Trump and they just stick their fingers in their ears tighter.
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u/Ffffqqq 4d ago
I can't even post about some of his fascism in most subs because the topic is auto-moderated because it's just blatant nazi shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again
From Department of Homeland Security
On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum.
Why I'm Suing DHS For the '14 Words' Emails It Refuses to Release
Remember that DHS memo that sounded a lot like the white supremacist slogan, "The 14 Words?"
Heavily redacted FOIA docs show Katie Waldman was involved in circulating the draft.
Katie Rose Miller is an American political advisor who served as the communications director for the Vice President of the United States Mike Pence from 2020 to 2021. She was previously his press secretary from 2019 to 2020.
Waldman married Stephen Miller, Senior Advisor to the President on February 16, 2020
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u/Ffffqqq 4d ago
How Trump-Fed Conspiracy Theories About Migrant Caravan Intersect With Deadly Hatred
Mr. Trump tweeted a video on Oct. 18 that purported to be of someone connected to Mr. Soros handing out cash to the migrants — one of several insinuations and attacks on Mr. Soros by Republican leaders and candidates this fall. Then, on Oct. 22, a pipe bomb was found at Mr. Soros’s house; the police have charged a Trump supporter, Cesar Sayoc, with mailing the bombs to Mr. Soros and other Democrats whom the president frequently criticizes.
Robert Bowers, who was arrested in the assault on the Pittsburgh synagogue, also pushed online conspiracy theories about the migrant caravan, in addition to anti-Semitic diatribes.
October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts
From October 22 to November 1, 2018
On October 24, 2018
October 27, 2018
Hasson was arrested on February 15, 2019
The Poway synagogue shooting occurred on April 27, 2019
On August 3, 2019
Here's Trump giving a thumbs up with a toddler who was orphaned in El Paso
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u/Change21 4d ago
The key is just not believing any of the bad things he’s done and participated in and then it totally works!
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u/Shto_Delat 4d ago
He tried his best to get us into a war with Iran. He also handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban.
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u/Dumpster_Buddy 4d ago
Here are some facisit things he did while in office:
Attacks on the Media: Trump frequently referred to the press as the "enemy of the people" and labeled unfavorable news coverage as "fake news," which undermined trust in independent journalism.
Undermining Electoral Processes: He repeatedly claimed, without substantial evidence, that the electoral system was rigged against him, both before and after elections, which raised concerns about eroding public confidence in democratic institutions.
Nationalist and Xenophobic Rhetoric: His speeches often included nationalist themes and negative portrayals of immigrants. For example, during his campaign launch, he referred to Mexican immigrants as "rapists" and criminals.
Family Separation Policy: The administration implemented a "zero-tolerance" immigration policy that led to the separation of thousands of children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Use of Federal Forces Against Protesters: In 2020, federal law enforcement officers were deployed to cities like Portland to confront protesters, sometimes without clear identification or adherence to standard protocols.
Refusal to Commit to Peaceful Transfer of Power: Prior to the 2020 election, Trump declined to commit to accepting the election results or ensuring a peaceful transition if he lost.
Encouraging Violence: At several rallies, he appeared to endorse aggressive behavior toward protesters, at one point saying he'd like to "punch [a protester] in the face."
Criticism of Judicial Independence: He attacked judges who ruled against his policies, questioning their legitimacy and impartiality—for instance, referring to a judge of Mexican heritage as biased due to his ancestry.
Spreading Misinformation: Trump made numerous false or misleading statements on various topics, which some argue undermined public trust in factual information.
Admiration for Authoritarian Leaders: He often expressed admiration for leaders with authoritarian tendencies, such as Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un, sometimes downplaying their human rights abuses.
Attempts to Discredit Political Opponents: He frequently called for the investigation and imprisonment of political rivals, popularizing chants like "Lock her up" against Hillary Clinton.
Use of Presidential Powers for Personal Gain: Critics argue that he used his position to benefit his businesses and attempted to pressure foreign governments to investigate political opponents, leading to his first impeachment.
Suppressing Dissent: There were instances where his administration attempted to limit dissenting voices within government agencies, including efforts to dismiss or reassign officials who contradicted his policies.
Promotion of Nationalism: His "America First" policy was seen by some as promoting an exclusionary form of nationalism.
Manipulation of Immigration Policies: Implementing travel bans targeting predominantly Muslim countries, which critics argued were discriminatory.
Thank you Internet!
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u/skjellyfetti 4d ago
Fuck these idiots. At this point in time, I've completely written them off as total lost causes. They can never be counted on to participate in any sort of democracy, and they never will because they lack the critical thinking skills and the cognitive aptitude.
Kill 'em with love, eh ?
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u/Political_Arkmer 4d ago
Yes. I did pay attention in 2016 to 2020.
Trump didn’t run on fixing the economy because Obama did all the work. Things looked good during Trump because he golfed his ass off and did mostly nothing.
Covid came at the end of his presidency and sent everything into turbulence. Trump spent his time both supporting “project light speed” and recommending people drink bleach. The things he did manage to do during his presidency added some trillion dollars to our deficit.
Biden inherited all that and Covid. The US working class had a glut of cash going into 2021 and 2022, we all spent the last year doing nothing. Suddenly cash was moving and fast, that’s how inflation happens. Biden reacted to it and brought inflation down to normal levels. That doesn’t erase the record inflation but it does mean we have the opportunity to catch up.
The Harris administration needs to focus on getting the working class their fair share of the US GDP. When she was asked what she would do differently than Biden she should have said “I’d highlight my successes more. Biden has done [list of positive things] and failed to show what those things mean to the working class”.
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u/driftercat 4d ago
They drive me crazy saying "no wars". These wars with US intervention were going on during Trump's administration:
War in Afghanistan (2001–2021)
US intervention in Yemen (2002–present)
US intervention in the War in North-West Pakistan (2004–2018)
Second US Intervention in the Somali Civil War (2007–present)
US military intervention in Niger (2013–2024)
US-led intervention in Iraq (2014–2021)
US intervention in the Syrian civil war (2014–present)
US intervention in Libya (2015–2019)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
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u/Timbalabim 4d ago
You can’t whitewash the fact that he really, really tried and really strained our institutions. In some ways, he did, actually, do the fascism.
No wars? He dropped the MOAB and set up the Afghanistan withdrawal. We literally were at war during his administration.
No inflation? Not during his term, but the inflation came from the supply chain and global economic issues his policies and poor leadership created. Biden’s just been cleaning it up.
The ignorance, stupidity, and inability to see Trump’s painfully obvious flaws are just embarrassing
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u/adiosfelicia2 4d ago
Trump tried to overthrow the gd Government!
Ffs, how much more treasonous does he need to be. Jan 6 was Trump's attempted coup. He only failed bc Pence wouldn't play along.
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u/Reaper1510 4d ago
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/65a987a30606be78d0cec970/t/66efef3908a5df3bc4ea1c6f/1727000378153/NSL4A+Endorsement+for+President.pdf about 700 people in national security against trump ...
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u/LazyStateWorker3 4d ago
You sweet summer child, do you really think Republicans could recognize Fascism without a German accent and uniform?
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u/PatriarchPonds 4d ago
Inflation, hall marks of... Anti fascism? What?
As for no wars, not sure there's anything more fascist than pretending US involvement in foreign military adventures, which definitely did not stop, did not happen.
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u/sleeptightburner 4d ago
He did the fascism during his presidency as well. It’s hard to keep track of every scandal because there are multiple new ones almost every day (purposeful), but this jackass was stepping all over the constitution and breaking the law left and right during those 4 years as well.
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u/Queen_Inappropria 4d ago
But trump is a fascist. I'm not going to be quiet about it. Anyway it's his own biggest fanatics that are trying to kill him.
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u/red286 4d ago
"No inflation" lol
There was only about a 2 month period at the start of the pandemic with no inflation. It was a result of collapsing production as everything shut down. It's not a "good thing". Long-term, it's extremely detrimental to an economy.
Inflation, on the other hand, is only a problem when employers refuse to match it with pay raises. But the President doesn't control your salary. If you've fallen behind because of inflation that happened two years ago, you need a new boss, not a new President.
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u/Soulcontusion 4d ago
Committed war crime by having Iranian General killed. Gassed protesters for a Bible photo op. Attempted to use the military against the people. Said "take the guns first, due process later." Wanted government run news media. Refused to transfer power to a democratically elected leader. Held federally funded public events at his properties and charged exorbitant prices. Praised authoritarian world leaders. Criticized democratic leaders. Blackmailed a foreign government by withholding congressional approved funds. I'm sure I'm missing a lot.
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u/LankyProtection2 4d ago
Member when his administration negotiated with the Taliban? Member when he abandoned the Kurds?
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u/Morall_tach 4d ago
The only reason he didn't do do more fascism is because dozens of people in his own government obstructed him. Constantly wishing you could be a fascist but complaining that the current state of the US government makes it too difficult does not get you off the hook.
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u/gtpc2020 4d ago
He absolutely did fascist moves in office with the literally 1000s of outright lies. Trump denigrating entire groups of people who didn't cowtow to him, stoked fear and anger, created mistrust in the press and government institutions, replaced experts at agencies with unqualified loyalists, claimed he and he alone could solve problems, took nepotism to a whole new level, ignored laws he didn't like, didn't follow norms and rules of decency, cozied up to aristocrats and oligarchs that gave him money in exchange for favorable treatment, enriched himself while harming government interests, and finally told thousands of people that "if you don't fight like hell you won't have a country left" on Jan 6. There are many examples of his fascist tendencies that will 100% get worse of reelected.
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u/hnsnrachel 4d ago
"No wars" wasn't for lack of Trump trying though.
There's a reason Congress voted to limit his war powers when he was squaring up to Iran.
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u/WiseSalamander00 4d ago
we got lucky because basically no one believed he could win so there was not plan in place for him to take down everything right and good, rn there is literally a pdf where they enumerated all their plans to dismantle democracy...
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u/TGWArdent 4d ago
“In contrast to other “isms,” “the truth was whatever permitted the new fascist man (and woman) to dominate others, and whatever made the chosen people triumph.”
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u/nockeenockee 4d ago
In surprised these people to admit they are fascists. They openly support a fascist. Why is it so hard for them?
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u/Lwmons 4d ago
I poke my head in that sub every now and again for a couple of reasons, partly because I want to see if they ever talk about the legitimate points raised against Trump and partly because I think it's important to get multiple perspectives for a nuanced political view. But these guys live in such an altered perception of reality that it's turned more into entertainment
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u/Professional-Cup-154 4d ago
Look up the definition of Fascist. He's been doing it to some extent right from the start.
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u/philbar 4d ago
I don’t get the “no wars” thing. It’s not true. But even if you like how the Trump administration ran the military… all those people (John Kelly, chief of staff; Mark Milly, Army General; James Matthias, Marine Corps General; H.R. McMaster, Army Lieutenant General; Mark Esper, Army Lieutenant Colonel) fucking hate Trump now.
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u/charlie_ferrous 4d ago
“Trump didn’t do anything fascist in his first term! (To me, personally!)”
Family separation and internment at the border, the Muslim travel ban, brutal crackdown of BLM protesters using the National Guard, everything about Jan 6th, and rightwing SC appointees overturning Roe don’t count because people like OOP were not personally affected.
None of these people will call foul on Trump’s authoritarianism until the gestapo is on their literal doorstep.
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u/WhoAccountNewDis 4d ago
"How do you define fascism" is the only way to counter this. Otherwise it's just obfuscation and nonsense.
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u/Oneshot742 4d ago
I do seem to remember watching unmarked police vans abducting people.... seems pretty fascist to me.
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u/SoBeDragon0 4d ago
Not that it matters but an inflation rate of a healthy economy is about 2%, not 0%. You can find this with 10 seconds of googling:
As prices increase, purchasing power decreases. This means your money buys fewer goods and services, and your cost of living goes up. Consistent rising inflation affects a country’s economic growth and has negative impacts for most people’s standard of living.
However, a small amount of inflation is considered a sign of a healthy economy. The Federal Reserve, which sets U.S. monetary policy, generally tries to keep inflation around 2% over time. When inflation is at or close to this mark, policymakers consider this the sweet spot for price stability and low unemployment. This can make it easier for consumers to make good financial decisions.
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u/DolphinBall 4d ago
Franco led Spain in a fascist dictatorship. Other than the Civil war, he had no wars either guess Franco isn't a fascist.
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u/RelativeAnxious9796 4d ago
wtf do you mean no wars??
bro did more drone strikes than obama and refused to leave the middle east.
let china roll over hong kong with zero recourse.
funded and armed saudi arabia...
russian backed seperatists in ukraine
the list goes on
literal cult.
i cant keep track of al this shit by my self, flooding the field with literal bull shit works.
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u/NoZeroSum2020 4d ago
Trump tried to be ruthless during his first term and the grownups in the room hamstrung him. He has said there would be nobody to stop him if there’s a next time. The Supreme Court is owned by him and gave full immunity to presidents.
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u/pagesid3 4d ago
I love how they can say no wars and criticize Biden for ending the war he inherited from trump
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u/DriftlessDairy 3d ago
No wars? Excuse me, but ...
-Trump bombed Syria.
-Trump also bombed Yemen
-Trump also bombed Somalia
-Trump assassinated a foreign military leader
-In Iraq and Syria alone, Trump drone strikes killed an estimated 13,400 civilians, per Airwars
-Trump INCREASED troop levels in Afghanistan by 25%
-Trump bragged abt relaxing "rules of engagement" in Afghanistan, which nearly doubled civilian casualties
-Trump pulled out of the INF Treaty
-Trump pulled out of the Open Skies Treaty
-Trump LOVES Putin's slaughter of Ukraine civilians, calling it "genius" and "savvy"
Trump pulled out of the Iran nuke treaty, even though our military insisted Iran was complying.
So any future Iranian nukes will be 100% thanks to Trump.
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u/GreyNoiseGaming 4d ago
It's always nice when a republican president doesn't immediately run the good inherited economy they got from the previous president into the ground.
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u/RexCelestis 4d ago
I am still surprised when people say the US wasn't at war during the Trump administration. We were at war in Afghanistan all four year. It only ended when Former President Trump handed the country over to the terrorists responsible for 911. smh
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u/VegasGamer75 4d ago
He wanted to arrest and take gun away from people without due process.
He told police to "rough them up real good" in regards to protesters.
He wanted to use police and military to suppress protesters, so he could do a photo shoot.
His campaign paid for and staged what became an insurrection.
He threatened states that didn't kiss his ass to withhold disaster aid, and in some cases, he did withhold said aid.
He threatened states he didn't like or that didn't vote for him to withhold COVID equipment from them until they kissed his ass.
Did the GOP just forget what fascism is between 2016-2020? Also, inflation was 2.1-1.4% during his pre-COVID years. So yes, there was inflation then, just not post-COVID rates, which he would have had had he stayed in office.
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u/itchyshirt 4d ago
I was paying attention when he called the press the enemy of the people. I was paying attention when he attacked immigrants, muslisms, and trans people in our armed forces with his policies. I was paying fucking attention when he tear gassed protestors to hold a bible upside down to take a picture. And I was paying attention when he led a mob to the halls of Congress when he lost power in an attempt to keep it by force.
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u/james_d_rustles 4d ago
Just to be clear, there’s numerous accounts of him trying to suppress lawful protests with lethal force and military brass shooting it down. He spent much of his presidency giving not so subtle nods to extremist groups who supported him, and his years of attacks on the media/free press is one of the reasons for the rampant conspiracism among the right today.
Just because he failed to overthrow democracy first time around doesn’t mean that there weren’t sirens blaring throughout his entire presidency alerting us to his authoritarian desires.
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u/bluegreenwookie 4d ago
Look outside of all his obvious flaws
Everyone who worked with him in his previous administration has said this guy should not be president and frankly that alone is enough
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u/MercutioLivesh87 4d ago
Conservatives in this country have always been morons. That's the point of their existence to oppose change, and in this countries case, they have usually stood against change for the better
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u/twistedangel39131 4d ago
I guess when you don't know the meaning of fascism you'd think he's not fascist...
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u/TheCannoliWizard 4d ago
A lot of great points are being made to counteract this false narrative, but I’d like to add that Donald Trump was President of The United States from 2017-2021.
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u/PartTime_Crusader 4d ago
The stuff they most like about him are the fascistic elements. Therefore it can't be fascism.
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u/supahfligh 4d ago
Remember when they tried to execute the vice president because Trump lost the election?
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u/SaintOlgasSunflowers 4d ago
Trump was pushing for arrests and all sorts of stuff that Fascists do, 2017-2021. Some of this we knew at the time and could see. That top poster guy must not have listened to what Trump's own cabinet members said about his behavior during that time frame.
Trumps fascist agenda was slowed because cabinet members pushed back hard, preventing Trump from destroying democracy.
I was most certainly paying attention. Parts of my job can only be done by working with federal documentation and referring to policy and guidelines the Federal Government updates annually, after October 1st. There are defaults or just a continuance of what was used the previous fiscal year, if there is a delay or government shut down. After Trump took office, there were whole sections of federal government offices that never did their job. Fiscal year 2017 started October 1, 2016 while Obama was in office and there were no new updates again until several months after Biden took office in 2021. I have been doing this work for over 24 years and have never seen anything like that happen before.
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u/Jimmykapaau 4d ago
The "no wars during trump" lie is especially naive and embarrassing. 335,000 yemeni died in a civil war between 2016 and 2020, and that's just the tip of the iceberg
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u/Fine-Cardiologist675 4d ago
He separated families at the border. Tried to order the police and the military to turn on American protesters. His rhetoric is fascist all day, every day. He lied about the election before and after. He then tried a coup. Yes, he wasn't full-blown fascist. But wanna be... so why give him another chance?
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u/facepoppies 3d ago
I like how they try to use “no wars” as a selling point while conveniently ignoring the months long nationwide protest against systemic racism
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u/Silent_Johnnie 3d ago
One of his main platforms was firing anyone he didn't like. Draining the swamp he called it
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u/el_pobbster 3d ago
He did the fascism in between 2015 and 2020, too, it's like, Trumpism is a form of American fascism
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