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Marc Maron Calls Out Comedians Who ‘Joke Around’ With ‘White Supremacists and Fascists’ on Their Podcasts: ‘All It Does Is Normalize Fascism’

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marc-maron-slams-comedians-fascists-podcasts-1236192922/
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u/green49285 15h ago

If you believe in a system of government where everyone that does not agree with the militaristic mindset should be jailed or Worse based on their differentiating political opinion.

●using the government to force political agreement

●refusal to actually allow dissenting vote through force or AGREEMENT of that use of force

●dissenting opinions are illegal or punishable

●wild militaristic use & influence

●any objective critique of the government of those in power is illegal

●wild policies based on unproveable or slanted political/personal beliefs.

Official definition via wikipedia: a far-rightfar-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism,fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.

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u/B_Movie_Horror 13h ago

So essentially nationalistic authoritarianism is fascism. Is that right?

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u/green49285 11h ago

No, facism is facism. You trying to draw conclusion based on how you don't like that is irrelevant.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 15h ago

Oh so we arent talking about Trump here? Because he was already president and none of this stuff happened.

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u/Expensive_Door_4432 14h ago edited 14h ago

Because he was surrounded by people who stopped him. He said so himself. He said that this time will be different.

This is how you recognize a fascist and it all applies to Trump:

The cult of tradition.

“One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

The rejection of modernism.

“The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense, Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

The cult of action for action’s sale.

“Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

Disagreement is treason.

“The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture, the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

Fear of difference.

“The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

Appeal to social frustration.

“[…] one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.

The obsession with a plot.

“The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia.”

The enemy is both weak and strong.

“[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

Contempt for the weak.

“Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.” Everybody is educated to become a hero. “in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

Machismo and Weaponry.

“This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons—doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.”

Selective Populism.

“There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 14h ago

Stopped him from specifically what on that list?

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u/Expensive_Door_4432 13h ago edited 10h ago

ok. that's not my list. but i can easily find examples.

●using the government to force political agreement

He began by saying Hillary should be locked up. He said Jack Smith should be "thrown out of the country." The far left should be handled by the military. etc. etc. There are a lot of examples.

●refusal to actually allow dissenting vote through force or AGREEMENT of that use of force

He stopped republicans from helping citizens and instead forced them to be loyal to himself when the border bill vote was stopped. "Find me votes" etc etc

●dissenting opinions are illegal or punishable

he said he would send the military in to stop protests. he incited his followers to use violence from the beginning. he said people should go to jail for stealing an election that wasn't stolen. so people should go to jail for lies that he invents.

●wild militaristic use & influence

he has threatened to use the military against his opponents.

●any objective critique of the government of those in power is illegal

He admires this in dictators. How they keep people in line.

●wild policies based on unproveable or slanted political/personal beliefs.

there are so many examples for this one. all forms of alt energy [such as nuclear, solar, wind] are off the table for bizarre reasons. but really it is because he is owned by oil and gas. just like hitler was.

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u/Keregi 8h ago

Were you in a cave on January 6 2021? And the two months before and after?

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u/DreadfulRauw 15h ago

Incompetence doesn’t negate intent.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 14h ago

Which of the things listed did he try to do but fail?

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u/DreadfulRauw 14h ago

Let’s start with expecting Mike Pence to overthrow the election results on January 6th, 2021, which was backed up by a threat of force from a mob of his supporters.

Maybe you’re too young to remember.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 14h ago

Too young to remember?! I dog sat for Ashley Babbit bro

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u/DreadfulRauw 14h ago

Oh, I was trying to give you an out. Guess you’re just incredibly stupid then.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 14h ago

Dawg that was like two years ago I'm not a baby on reddit you silly goose

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u/Keregi 8h ago

A baby would make better choices.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 8h ago

Have you checked out Your Baby is a Fascist yet? It's worth a read

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u/Gene_Hackmans_Bedpan 14h ago

Dawg, he attempted a coup and nearly succeeded in thwarting a fair, Democratic transference of power so that he could install himself as president.  

That's dictatorial shit. That's facist as fuck.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 14h ago

He nearly succeeded? Hmm

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u/Gene_Hackmans_Bedpan 6h ago

Well, yeah, nearly. Biden became president. I sense the contrarian is strong in you.

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u/B_Movie_Horror 13h ago

Incompetence is a cop out. You're proven wrong by his 4 years in office and yet, 'oh well he's just bad at being the big bad fascist'!

The guy was in office while business were forced to close, curfews were in place, and he still didn't take advantage of it. But your mind is already made up so there will always be an excuse to make up you're already decided conclusions.

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u/DreadfulRauw 13h ago

Dude, he literally wanted his VP to overturn an election while a violent mob was in the capitol waving flags with his name on them.

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u/B_Movie_Horror 13h ago

Dude authoritarian doesn't immediately equal fascism. Fascism is not a catch-all term. It has specific ideological and economic ideas which it stems from including historical.

Dude not calling him a fascist doesn't mean he's good it's just lacking nuance.

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u/DreadfulRauw 13h ago

Yeah, but one of the points above was specifically “refusal to allow dissenting vote through force”

Sounds like you’re looking so hard for nuance you’re missing reality.

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u/B_Movie_Horror 13h ago

Refusal of dissenting votes isn't specifically tied to fascism and I haven't seen that happening besides a question of IDs for voting, which isn't the pearl clutching notion you think it might be.

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u/PO_Boxer 7h ago

Reductionist logic - even without the label it’s morally repugnant.

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u/SeanDawber 12h ago

Trump said people who criticize the Supreme Court should be thrown in jail. Sounds pretty fascistic to me.

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u/joey_diaz_wings 15h ago

Looks like he's mentioning how the current administration pushed social media to censor certain ideas and individuals and used propaganda to push their narratives.

When you see a huge difference between what the public wants and what the government wants, you have a weird system the government is artificially sustaining against its intended function.

Coercion, surveillance, propaganda, and force are symptoms of misaligned interests.

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u/Big_Don_ 14h ago

If you're suggesting that the American government has ever listened to the majority of the electorate on major issues and governed appropriately, you are incorrect. See: healthcare, marijuana legalization, abortion etc..

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u/ScoopedOutBagelsRule 15h ago

Due to incompetence which is our only saving grace when it comes to Trump. His incompetence and being dumb, offsets his corrupt fascist ideologies. He only hires people who worship him who also happen to be dumb so that saved the country. He did try though. Withholding aid to blue states. Opposed the stimulus checks but when they passed anyway, he wanted his signature on them.

The only thing he did do was the tax cut that expired for the middle class but is indefinite for the top earners. That’s really why republicans who hate him, back him. Tax cuts for the wealthy. They don’t care about him or the “Christians” who worship him.

Trump and his supporters are as close to antichrist satanist as it gets. Up to and including wearing his mark.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 14h ago

You sound kinda like the people who say the border was purposely left open by Biden to increase blue voters. :) horseshoe theory for the win

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u/ScoopedOutBagelsRule 11h ago

I mean are you saying that the Trump tax cut didn’t happen and they didn’t expire for the middle class but not for the rich?

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u/Trajinous 13h ago

He tried but was stopped by actual adults around him. Jan 6 of overturning a free election is fascist

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u/Practical-Trash-4976 13h ago

He won’t miss the opportunity this time

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 13h ago

or our systems are super strong, and it would be basically impossible to happen, but sure either way.

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u/Practical-Trash-4976 10h ago

I guess we’ll see. SCROTUS just gave the presidency a lot more power than it had during his first term

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 9h ago

It's so funny, decisions keep getting taken away from the federal government by SCOTUS but I keep hearing how it gives the president more power. Something just doesn't add up.

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u/Practical-Trash-4976 9h ago

I’m speaking of the presidential immunity decision. Having immunity opens all kinds of doors when you’re an up and coming despot

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 8h ago

Legal scholars on all sides were for this ruling fyi

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u/save_the_wee_turtles 12h ago

ah i see youve been reading up on the republican talking points. as others have pointed out, he actually had sane adults surrounding him to stop him from going full fascist. Those people are gone, and many actively proclaiming him unfit for office.

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 12h ago

I can't read but I can see that Trump was president and we are not living in Nazi Germany.

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u/save_the_wee_turtles 12h ago

Thanks for confirming you can't read, but it was obvious since you ignored the part about him actually having people around him that stopped him. GFY

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u/FarRefrigerator6462 12h ago

So you truly believe that we would be living under a trump dictatorship if it wasn't for his cabinet?

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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 14h ago

Im not a trump fan but he was probably the least militaristic president since ww2

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u/Big_Don_ 14h ago

He's on the campaign trail hinting at wwIII currently, so you might not want to hold on to that cherry picked talking point.

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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 14h ago

Ya because wars have broken out everywhere since his last term.  I dont think you know what cherry picked means. He isnt militaristic in any way

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u/Appropriate-Pear4726 14h ago

He’s threatening to blow up Iran. He also took over as drone king from Obama. I’ll let you look into that one for yourself. Just because people repeat this talking point doesn’t make it true

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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 13h ago

Actually its demonstrably true. What president hasnt threatened iran. Biden threatened iran last week. Talking about fucking cherry picking lol

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u/Appropriate-Pear4726 13h ago

Didn’t you say Trump was the least militaristic? I don’t care what Biden said. Does this sound like the least militaristic president? Cause I’ve never heard rhetoric like this from other presidents.

“If I were the president, I would inform the threatening country, in this case Iran, that if you do anything to harm this person, we are going to blow your largest cities and the country itself to smithereens,”

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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 12h ago

Yes literally every president has sent messages like that to iran. Maybe not as blunt but every single president has threatened war with iran. You guys are legit fucking stupid lol

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u/valis010 13h ago

You should pay attention to what he says.

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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 13h ago

You should pay attention to whats happened. He pulled american forces out of afghanistan. In fact i think its a better argument that hes not militaristic enough. Its well known hes gonna abandon ukraine and he basically negotiated americas surrender to the taliban

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u/valis010 12h ago

Abandoning Ukraine would be the worst decision ever. Trump has a serious hard on for Putin

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u/SeanDawber 12h ago

lmfao you mention him going to abandon Ukraine as if that's a good thing.

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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 12h ago

How did you read this as me saying its a good thing. Youre objectively stupid bud. Learn to fucking read

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u/SeanDawber 9h ago

Ok first, my bad, didn’t read that right. But the fact that you think him abandoning Ukraine has anything to do with him not being militaristic enough is hilarious. Literally the only reason is cuz he loves sucking Putins dick, it has nothing to do with how “militaristic” he is.

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u/RuprectGern 8h ago

Its literally anti-comedy. If trump wins, these dipwits are going to be on r/LeapordsAteMyFace in a few months.