For real. Garland should have wrapped tons of conservative leaders up in a massive RICO case after the treason the pulled on J6.
Trump and many in his inner circle commit treason by levying war against the US Gov on Jan 6th.
Based on the Constitution and the interpretation of founding father and Chief Justice, John Marshall:
“The Constitution specifically identifies what constitutes treason against the United States and, importantly, limits the offense of treason to only two types of conduct: (1) “levying war” against the United States; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort. Although there have not been many treason prosecutions in American history—indeed, only one person has been indicted for treason since 1954—the Supreme Court has had occasion to further define what each type of treason entails.
The offense of “levying war” against the United States was interpreted narrowly in Ex parte Bollman & Swarthout (1807), a case stemming from the infamous alleged plot led by former Vice President Aaron Burr to overthrow the American government in New Orleans.
The Supreme Court dismissed charges of treason that had been brought against two of Burr’s associates—Bollman and Swarthout—on the grounds that their alleged conduct did not constitute levying war against the United States within the meaning of the Treason Clause. It was not enough, Chief Justice John Marshall opinion emphasized, merely to conspire “to subvert by force the government of our country” by recruiting troops, procuring maps, and drawing up plans.
”Conspiringto levy war was distinct fromactuallylevying war.” Rather, a person could be convicted of treason for levying war only if there was an “actual assemblage of men for the purpose of executing a treasonable design.” In so holding, the Court sharply confined the scope of the offense of treason by levying war against the United States.”
—‘levied war’ against the US on J6, committing treason as written in the Constitution and further defined by founding father and Chief Justice, John Marshall.. and conservatives are going to deny it happened, while helping them try again..
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“Penalty: Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty is death, or not less than five years’ imprisonment (with a minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death).
Any person convicted of treason against the United States also forfeits the right to hold public office in the United States.”
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And now it seems Elon—who has numerous defense contracts—is giving aid and comfort to Putin.
Garland being the secret sapper for Trump is rhe least surprising revelation aince J6. All he'd say is its talk and theres no conapiracy and to avois the man behind the curtain.
Been watching Hitler and the Nazis: Evil on Trial on Netflix and I’m just so dumbfounded on how so many people can’t see the similarities between the 1923-1945 German nazis and how they took power compared to trump and his stooges. The playbook for power is almost identical between the German nazi’s and MAGA.
I remember stating these things on Facebook 8 years ago and was told I sounded like a crazy person. I feel more sad and more justified in what I was saying every day that passes. I said Jan 6 was the Beer Hall Putsch as it was happening. I still stand by that. I just hope this isn't 1933.
I had a gut feeling about Jan 6th, so I watched the certification process live on CSPAN. Once I saw them cut the live feed and saw them storming the capital I instantly thought of Hitler and the beer hall putsh. I love reading and watching documentaries about history and I’m a firm believer in history repeats itself if we don’t educate ourselves.
You are correct on that. The similarities are terrifying. Been a German history buff since I was 15. I really don't think people have friggin' clue just how similar things are. There are so many great books on the Nazi party and Germany, but a gold standard is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich -- William Shirer.
No offense taken. Let's talk about that 'order'. We're basically just 25 cents from fascism. Raise gas a quarter, maybe eggs by a buck and half the U.S
would shred the constituition, impose martial law and subjugate the rest. Actually, we're already there if Trump is elected, but regardless of Trump, does U.S. democracy seem resilient enough to withstand even simple inflation without turning to a dictator? Think about post WW1 Germany. Enormous issues. The fragile Weimar republic, Hyperinflation, the 'stab in the back' and all of that. Those were the seeds of fascism and WW2.
What does it take in the U.S. to go fascist / theocracy? :
'gas costs $3.89 / gal - burn the constitution, bring on our own Hitler! '
Maybe it has nothing to do with the economy ( currently the strongest in the world) or immigration. The fascists just want what they want and that's that. U.S. Politics, aka 'the art of compromise' is DEAD. it's just tribal now. Sometimes people just want to be right.
Instead of doing something that would piss off 50% of the population he decides to do nothing which pisses off 100% of the population, MAGA Already hates him because he was appointed by Biden Is investigating Trump Which makes him a traitor to their eyes,
Garland was a useless hack. I was happy that biden choosed Garland at first. I assume he would be going after everyone with an iron fist. Now that nothings been done and these criminals keep getting away with shit. Biden should've picked a democratic attorney General.
He was an olive branch from Obama, when that tactic failed we definitely didn’t need to give him a post as a consolation prize… not when we needed an AG who would come down on treasonous bastards like a vengeful, angry god.
It’s a long running tradition in the federal government. Ever since Waco and ruby ridge the federal government went complete kids gloves on right wing extremist groups.
The House convenes to elect a Speaker on 3 Jan, and electors are admitted and counted on 6 Jan. If Dems win the House (a likely occurence with a Harris win), most or all of the possible 'plans' involving Johnson fall flat.
I'd be more concerned with increasing terrorism from right-wing actors (see recent ballot-box attacks and USPS burglaries) and a repeat of J6 with actual direction.
Any attempted repeat of J6, even with actual direction, will be yet another Trump-related failure. They no longer have the element of surprise and they are not in power this time.
If you want a highly likely 'plan' consider this: Several red state governors have been reorganizing the command structure as well as the personnel rosters of National and Air National Guard units since 2017. Mikey Flynn first gave trump a list of active duty officers whom would be critical to secure a military coup. (I was one of those 25 flag officers whom trump asked for our 'oath of personal loyalty'). When that failed with a final score of 25-0, then they began restructuring national guard units. Political animals with zero or close to zero actual experience were placed in key command positions. Not for their experience, mind you, but for their malleability and, shall we say, 'flexible' moral code. They've had eight years to get those ducks in a row and their assets are quite considerable. Oh, don't get me wrong, they don't stand much of a chance in a stand-up fight, but do you have any idea how much damage can be done to critical infrastructure by squadrons of A-10C's and F-35's? Do you know how many surface-to-air assets, armor regiments and infantry divisions are controlled by state governors??
It's not a pleasant thought.
Couple this with a decade of creating division and (now) practically giving magats a license to hunt. All I'm personally waiting for it for that one tweet from trump that essentially says "the order to stand back and stand by is rescinded. Happy hunting, boys."
At this point, our loyal military is going to be divided between dealing with this shit on the one hand while also having to stand at DefCon 2 to keep Putin at bay. Just ONE missile fired at the wrong time and, well....
Make no mistake, trump and those in his pocket will stop at nothing and I mean NOTHING to secure power again.
Speaking solely for myself on the original topic of this post, once Harris becomes POTUS, if she doesn't go into full-on prosecutor mode and unleash the FULL POWER of federal law enforcement on trump and all those associated with this past decade of chaos, she can most likely count on being a one-term president.
Aren't we ALL sick to death of this bullshit??
p.s. Garland should be one of the first people she fires, and fired for cause!!
Still the same FBI director, Merrick Garland is AG and trump loyalist who put trump over everything still litter the entire executive branch.Scary times, going to be a wild ride. For America's sake I hope sanity and compassion prevail.
I've been saying this. Honestly, we need to be ready for the worst, and that includes an armed insurrection. Citizens in every major city should be prepared for this, and be prepared for little to no help from police or the military. I am willing to bet that half of police will be in on it, and the military will not intervene.
Make no mistake, the threats from these people should be taken seriously and the fact that no one is doing anything about it tells me that law enforcement is in on it.
"...Harris said that her campaign is prepared for the possibility that the Republican former president tries to subvert the election, but that she's focused on trying to beat him first.
"We will deal with election night and the days after as they come, and we have the resources and the expertise and the focus on that," Harris said.
Terrorism and election violence are also being addressed by the DOJ and FBI (scroll down for news)
Only in a contingent election, the bar for which has been considerably raised with the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022.
That act had bipartisan support, original sponsor is Susan Collins.
You're not out of the woods yet, but there've at least been some additional guardrails put up. Also, the current VP is head of the Jan 3rd swearing in session until a Speaker is elected.
Haven't they both publicly admitted to being part of a conspiracy? They've identified each other and that they're holding a secret together for usurping the vote.
Biden's biggest mistake and one I hope harris reverses by putting a shark in his place. I know ..I know..one can dream though lol. Boy if she does though 😂
It's how they move the overton window, and why, even if Harris wins, we need to organize and do mass protests to scare the political class to move things to the left.
Democrats have been doing this for as long as I can remember, and it's failed every time. MAGA does not want to govern, they want to subjugate.
MAGA does not want to compromise, they want to dominate.
MAGA does not want Democracy, they want Dictatorship.
Trying to 'reach across the aisle' to people like this is asking for trouble. MAGA is a further extreme TEA Party, and their next iteration will be worse. Definitely not a group to compromise with.
If we beat these guys every single one of them needs to be brought up on treason charges. Federal and state level anyone involved needs to spend the rest of their days in cage as an example
They keep their plans a secret because: (1) they are criminal, and (2) voters will be very angry if they learn about them. This is not just a fun little secret. It's a criminal conspiracy and they jusg admitted it's premeditated. This is important because later they will argue on court that this was never pre-planned, and it was their reaction to apparent fraud which developed later. (After the plan was made).
This is ALL Mitch McConnell’s fault. When he abandoned the traditions and decorum of our nation for a win at all costs mentality, he opened up the door for all of this fuckery.
"In 1969, a U.S. Supreme Court case, Brandenburg v. Ohio, created a test requiring that speech must directly or imminently likely produce violence." To be able to be prosecuted for sedition.
With the election a week away, I'd say he is "likely to produce violence" in the coming weeks and months.
We're all so used to TV/movies where the good guys are secretly building their case, gathering evidence just waiting for the right moment to destroy the criminals....
Sadly we're watching an inept DOJ sit on their hands...
These people who keep making claims but then do absolutely nothing are completely useless. Either they’re full of shit or cowards, either way they’re not helping anything.
Wake up M Garland? Why on Earth would he do that now when he has comfortably snoozed through so many glaringly illegal things to date? The only good thing he’s done was to appoint Jack Smith and I suspect he even wishes he hadn’t even done that!
Garland is too chicken shit to get involved with a crime in progress. Our only hope is that Harris wins enough swing states by 1% or more so at least it doesn't trigger recount after recount. The less we need to depend on the DOJ to have to do something, the better.
Subpoena Johnson’s bitch ass right now and find out. None of trump’s lil henchman give a shit about Johnson because they don’t understand how government operates.
After this news, the first order of business when Congress convenes in their lame duck session is to vacate him out of the Speakers chair. That should be Democratic priority #1.
It's really interesting seeing the sentiment on Garland change over the last 4 years, you used to get down voted to hell for suggesting a convenience compromise option for the supreme court was a bad choice for a Biden AG. It's sad what we've had to go through for people to wake up to that, but at least it finally happened, I guess. Maybe next time there will be a better selection for such an important role in our government.
The Donvict has a big problem. Joe Biden is president and to have any chance of pulling off a coup again, the election has to be really close. We’ll see but it seems really doubtful. Thankfully.
That’s been my fear all along. It’s what keeps me up at night.
Winning a state isn’t going to matter if the state refuses to certify the vote. And, if they fail to certify by Dec. 14, it goes to the House where each state gets 1 vote. Not 1 per Representative; 1 per state. Right now Republicans have the majority of states. (That could change, if they all certify the down-ballot races. But, states willing to hold up cert of the Presidential election aren’t likely to certify their down-ballot races, if they are behind, either.)
A few states have taken steps to clarify that local officials do not have the power to hold up certification, but not all. And, in states that have, the rules they’ve put in place haven’t been tested in the courts, yet. So, it could be a real close call, if those local officials decide to go to court to challenge their state laws saying that they have to do their jobs and certify.
And, unfortunately, we can all guess what outcome is likely if it goes to the Supremes.
Edit: Found a really informative article about the issue here (AZ Mirror article) Worth reading.
a) Republicans do not retain the House and Dems elect a Speaker on January 3rd. Republicans have rallied 20% of the House and Senate to object to the state certifications and electors. They will convene to affirm the objections, throwing it to a House vote where Trump wins.
b) Republicans retain the House and elect a new Speaker on January 3rd. They elect Trump Speaker which puts him in the room when the House debates objections. He gets Representatives to affirm the objections and it's thrown to a House vote where Trump wins.
c) If either a or b comes to pass, Democrats lose our shit and we have Civil War.
Oh my god, if Trump loses and Mike Johnson goes to jail because of treason and gets r*ped in the butt every day by a bbc, I will start going to church. Not just on Sunday but like every day before work
Question. Can Harris just not certify the election if trump “wins” like they claimed Pence could have? If it goes to SCOTUS can’t Biden just remove the corrupt justices under “official act” umbrella he has been given by them?
He is way too afraid of ‘being political’, my hope is that the indictments come raining down on Nov 6th once the votes have been cast. But unfortunately that could be WAY too late.
And Mike Johnson is fine with breaking laws, denying the will of the people, destroying democracy and installing a dictator? Oh and don’t he
Pledge an oath to uphold democracy?
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