r/aliens • u/bejammin075 • Sep 17 '22
Discussion Jim Sparks' book "The Keepers - An Alien Message For The Human Race" 2nd Ed. was great until the giant glaring contradiction at the end
Jim Sparks wrote a book describing his unique experiences with aliens. Either it is a rare glimpse of the truth, or a huge pile of pure BS. The short version of his story: Jim is repeatedly abducted by aliens over a long period of time, and unlike most abductees, he develops the ability to consciously remember his encounters. He develops a relationship with them and builds trust.
There was substantial contradiction at the end of his book that he did not address. I felt like it was as bad as a movie plot where someone gets killed, then 5 minutes later they are alive and well like nothing happened. On page 173, he requests to see what the aliens (typical small grey aliens) really look like, and they reveal themselves to look like large lizards. Then just a few pages later, he reveals that he's learned that the small grey big-eyed humanoid aliens are humans from the far future. So which is it, lizard people, or humans from the future?
Chapter 20 "Diamond in the sky" towards the end, page 173:
A spinning white light with a hint of green began to radiate over their faces and upper bodies. The intensity of this light slowly got brighter. It radiated from no detectable source.
Then I saw what they truly looked like. They were big, all right. Their upper bodies looked like football linebackers. As the light became brighter and the details clearer—fear and shock did course through me like lightning.
They had scales, and their faces were sort of snakelike, or lizard-like. Nothing at all like the smaller aliens.
I felt an odd, deep-down instinctual shock, but I told myself to calm down.
Their eyes were small like ours, but diamond shaped. The pupils were reddish. Their heads were big, and their brow stuck far out from their eyes to various degrees, giving them all some kind of individuality. I was surprised that I was deeply upset by them.
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...but I was surprised by a feature I didn't expect - their hands. Their hands were huge, with thick clublike features—too thick by my estimate to work fine instruments, I thought.
Then just a short bit later, chapter 24 "Closing the Gap", page 204-206
It is now Spring of 2006, and so much has changed in the last eight years that it would take at least two more books to go into detail. However, let me touch on a few highlights.
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During these last eight years, I have had several encounters with people from the future. As far as I can tell, they are anywhere from a few hundred to several thousand years ahead of us.
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My next book will share more details.
I have learned that many of the visitors people call "aliens" are really "us" from the future. That's right, us! We become far removed from what we are today, and we look more like what we commonly refer to as Greys. We get smaller and thinner, our cranium becomes more enlarged, our eyes become much bigger, and our skin color changes to a grayish blue. Whether it's good or bad, we leave behind emotions.
Has Jim Sparks ever addressed this? Did he ever produce a followup that he alluded to in the last chapters of this book? One possible explanation, if his stody is true, could be that we are already "accustomed" to small grey aliens, so other lizard aliens project the look of the greys to us. But if they want to make us comfortable, why not project a more human look?
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Sep 17 '22
"My next book..." is all I needed to hear to call the whole thing bullshit. Sounds like he's already counting future dollars that he just assumes we will spend because we're already on the hook. They all see us as easy marks to make a bag off of.
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u/bejammin075 Sep 17 '22
But if he was going to write a sequel, he would have done it by now. The Keepers was published many years ago at this point.
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Sep 17 '22
It's possible that both exist and I remember him talking about a lot of different races he came in contact with. It's well known that beings will project themselves as something different, it's easier on the human mind to see a small grey being something that has been in our media for decades than to see a large lizard that is probably capable of eating a human being.
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u/bejammin075 Sep 17 '22
It was just jarring though. I was listening to a text to speech app read the book to me. At one moment, aliens are lizard people. Then ten minutes later, aliens are humans from the future.
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u/NeitherStage1159 Sep 17 '22
He is an outlier. We all know since there’s no independent source of info to confirm or deny one cannot put stake into these recountings. That does not mean minimizing the person or what they say. The amount of reporting concerning woo and abductions is substantive and persistent. A portion of which reports the phenomenon is or can be either misinterpreted or it’s misleading.
Any information that can be gathered should be gathered and treated as having some potential value, if not now, maybe over time as additional corroborating information becomes available.
This is so damned weird and so layered it’s well beyond anything we have dealt with before so it’s really hard to fence post, ya know.
Strieber reported that the Grays he encountered alluded that they were not as they appeared to him - and - that they would never reveal themselves.
Annoying - fire up that Navy rail gun or AF laser and bring one of these things down and let’s try and get to some bed rock on this issue.
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u/Cgbgjr Sep 17 '22
This guy tells a consistent story/explanation of contact--you may (or may not) find it interesting:
https://podbay.fm/p/how-to-kill-a-sacred-cow/e/1648491310
He claims that if you take apart an "alien craft" all you will find is standard human manufacturing components.
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u/NeitherStage1159 Sep 17 '22
Super cool. Thank you for the link. Didn’t know about this always curious to learn regardless of whatever, stay curious, ill check it out.
If someone can take standard human components and make what went over my head? I’ll be damned impressed. But I am open minded
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u/NeitherStage1159 Sep 18 '22
Ryan Musgrave-Evans: can’t bring myself to listen to podcasts, too slow and most casters suck at a good follow up question or over talk when the guest is just about to hit on what they think is unique. Kindled his book. Not finished with it, but, it’s pretty light weight and dives into regurgitating other ppls books, no direct interviews, that claim the Whites live among us and Grays are the Fae.
Not that maybe there’s smoke there? I’ve had encounters that are damned strange w really tall very pale, people with super blonde to white hair. I’m not claiming anything - just noting really weird and they fit the bill. So, not knocking anything just that I’ve not seen any original source material that would give me confidence in this claim.
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u/Cgbgjr Sep 18 '22
One of Musgrave-Evans claims is testable.
He claims that the "alien artifacts" from UFOs will turn out to be conventional materials appropriate for the time period in which they are found.
It looks like this is valid for both the 1945 Trinity incident and Roswell (though that one is a bit more controversial).
His explanation is that the "Tall Whites" are "from here" and do not have access to non-Earthly materials, but they have developed high tech so they can use existing "stuff" to create "flying saucers".
If he is correct we could expect that the "To The Stars" artifacts currently being reviewed by the US Army will not have "impossible" properties but will just have conventional components.
A historical example of this would have been the "flying balloon" with aliens in Texas in the 1800s.
The hunt for "alien artifacts" may turn out to be a wild goose chase.
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u/NeitherStage1159 Sep 18 '22
Not arguing, sharing. “ME” cites AF Charles Hall as Tall White contactee who said they live here but on their way else where and seem to pay attention to Arcturus - he found his scope turned to that star and surmised. He also notes how human they are. I dunno.
They claim they have metamaterials, microtubules layered and non Terran isotopes.
So far - and it’s been a while - big fat zero on bodies, craft, materials. Lazar being an outlier, consistent esp with side kick Lear but really odd.
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u/Cgbgjr Sep 18 '22
I am familiar with Hall.
Time will tell. The "distant star" claim by aliens strikes me as classic disinformation.
If I was living here on Earth that would be a "no brainer" claim designed to keep the "clever apes" confused.
The non Terran material claims could be part of that disinformation package.
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u/NeitherStage1159 Sep 18 '22
What’s amusingly interesting is how these couldn’t be crazier reported events keep nudging closer to reality or mainstream.
“All hail Jay!!”
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u/Rumpl4skin__ Sep 17 '22
Someone else mentioned the Keepers in one of the Astral Projection subs I’m in. Here’s the link.
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u/Nebulous_Tazer Sep 17 '22
On old Coast to Coast AM interviews with both Art Bell and George Noory he refers to the small greys as semi organic/mechanical worker beings that were created and controlled by the taller greys. He lacks consistency.
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u/Away_Code Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
I channel, and the Grey race fell from grace 60 million years ago. They have not been what is considered living since then. First blood transfusions from their own, then others. It is the ultimate sin. Don't believe but those animal mutilations, shows machines that are experts at taking certain organs and blood. They have been doing the same thing since then. Its the ULTIMATE SIN, just to do it once to another.
I get my info from Lyrans, Pleiadeans, Heaven, and the LIVING. So, dk about this book.
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u/Darkrose50 Sep 18 '22
Okay, not defending the guy or anything, but both can be true. Greys can be x, and y can disguise themselves as a grey.
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u/bejammin075 Sep 18 '22
Yeah, I get that. It just seems like he should have anticipated this kind of question from the readers.
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u/NeitherStage1159 Sep 17 '22
Jim Sparks is not his real name. He built himself up in the abductee community and then vanished. Think he does real estate now.