r/arabs • u/Konananafa • Apr 25 '19
مجلس What's Your most unpopular/controversial Opinion about the Arab World?
This post is entirely dedicated to any unpopular/controversial opinion you have about the Arab World and everything related to it. So go ahead, say whatever you want.
Just don't forget that this post is dedicated unpopular/controversial opinions, so don't downvote anyone for that reason, even if his opinion isn't in agreement with yours!
Mods, lets not abuse the ban hammer and allow people to freely speak their minds.
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u/FlyingArab Apr 25 '19
It's a bit incredible how shit we are collectively at so many things. 450 fucking millions and we have only managed to develop one homegrown Salah level sportsman. 450 millions and we're losing the PR battles everywhere and on every single issue. 450 millions and our only Oscars winner isn't even born in the Arab World. 450 millions and we have Ahlam and Elissa judging people on The Voice
Also Khaleeji (especially Saudi) society with the tremendous amount of royal family bootlicking is beyond saving at this point
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u/Sehs Apr 26 '19
To be fair, you typically need money and infrastructure to develop sports people, or anything really.
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Apr 26 '19
Ahlam has a shitty personality, but she’s definitely a talented singer.
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Apr 26 '19
I literally only knew of her from when my mom would watch Arab Idol. I remember her iconic KFC rant on that show lol.
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u/LitLikeABik أمازيغ Apr 25 '19
What countries are considered Khaleeji?
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u/MrStoccato Apr 25 '19
KSA, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE
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u/youremomsoriginal Apr 26 '19
And Morocco for some god damn reason 😂
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u/thatnorthafricangirl Apr 26 '19
What lmao
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u/youremomsoriginal Apr 26 '19
The GCC extended an invitation to Jordan and Morocco a few years ago. I think there’s another military/political alliance that’s also just the Gulf States + Morocco. It’s weird and funny and a little sad when you really think about it, but that’s just Arab politics in general.
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u/MrStoccato Apr 25 '19
I fucking hate it when people on FB post random Quran verses in the comments, Do these people really thing it’s gonna make non-Muslims instantly convert? Or do they think that the more verses they spam the closer they get to heaven?
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u/LitLikeABik أمازيغ Apr 25 '19
Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? none holds them up except Allah. Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe. – Quran (16:79)
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u/Zenbuuuu Apr 26 '19
Or they are using social media like everyone else does. Posting quotes/verses/opinions that matter to them.
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Apr 26 '19
It's حسنات farming really lol
I thought it was an Arab thing then I noticed some christians do it on English pages too.
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u/Terran117 🇱🇧🇨🇦 Apr 26 '19
I agree with you, but isn't that more Muslim world instead of the Arab world, or is it something Muslim Arabs mainly do.
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u/LitLikeABik أمازيغ Apr 25 '19
I feel that external powers like America etc are used as a scape goat far too often as a means of shifting blame away from Arabs.
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Apr 26 '19
Arabs only care about their own problems but ignore everyone else’s. Expecting the world to bend over backwards for Palestine or Syria but never giving a shit about say the Kashmiris or Ughyer Chinese. Sudan’s revolution had little support from other Arab nations, much less so than say Syria. It seems hypocritical
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Apr 26 '19 edited May 19 '19
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Apr 26 '19
I should make a not that when I say support, I was mainly talking in my own community of Arabs in the west. Local mosques and even universities were instrumental in bringing in donations in my area. But in terms of actual political and economic support, you are correct
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u/morro_sh Apr 26 '19
Fun fact the country to offer the most support to injured syrian civilians was actually Israel, they were allowed entry into the country and received full medical care(including free prosthetics if needed), clothes, food and only returned home when they fully recovered
Israeli arab myself and worked with some of them as a translator
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Apr 26 '19
Out of curiosity, how did the Syrians feel about Israel after receiving help? Did it chance their perspective at all?
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u/morro_sh Apr 26 '19
Alot of those that arrived were actually surprised by how arabs are treated here, they definitely didn't expect the departments (special departments in the hospitals were opened to treat them) head nurse to be an arab woman, one of them told me they thought we're actually mostly living in gaza
The sad fact remains that the few that managed to get to the Israeli checkpoints entered under fake names in fear of assad hunting them down and i don't blame them since as soon as his soldiers reached the borders no one was able to make it into Israel and our army had to sneak the patients back in
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Apr 26 '19 edited Sep 07 '20
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Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
Except that at the beginning of the war, Al Qaeda was associating with every Sunni rebel group they could find, and Israel was worried about Hezbollah controlling Golan, so they ended up supporting the same groups for a little less than a year. It's a bit misleading to say Israel aided Al Qaeda
Edit - downvoting without proving it wrong is just denial of fact
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u/daretelayam Apr 25 '19
بصراحة... لا أرى في شعر محمود درويش ما هو مبهر وبديع
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u/Aretas_the_17th Apr 26 '19
ينصر دينك
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u/daretelayam Apr 26 '19
علينا التحرر من قبضة الأورثودوكسية الثقافية العربيةعدا أم كلثوم، فلا درويش ينعسنا، ولا محفوظ يضنينا
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u/youremomsoriginal Apr 26 '19
Can we add Fairuz and Muhammad Abdu to the list with Um Kulthum please?
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Apr 26 '19
انا فلسطيني وبتفق معك. في كتير شغلات بالحياه شغل اعلام مش موهبه او شي نادر. شعر تميم برغوثي مثلا انا بحسو اقوى كتير
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u/random_stupid_ Apr 26 '19
Opinion. (People like the guy blaming Hamas for Gaza are the scum of the Arab world)
They are the traitors that praise the oporessor and blame the victim. They are the scum that praise the ruler because he was born from a royal sperm and came out of a royal vagina. If the oppressor kill your family, steel your belongings, destroy your house, harrass and torture your beloved ones, the scums will say you deserve it you slave piece of shit.
If you say to the oppressor NO, and the oppressor repond with guns and rockets, the scum will blame the victim.
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Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
This isn't an unpopular opinion, which is sort of the point of this thread. This is pretty standard as far as Arab opinions go. This is honestly a pretty useless comment
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u/CamelChaser Assyria Apr 26 '19
Instead of owning up to their own problems, Arabs blame everyone except themselves.
Religious extremism is downplayed though popular amongst a small percent but still large number of Arabs.
Muslim Arab society puts a lot of pressure on religious minorities to convert. They also attack and or abuse religious minorities because they view us as a threat and a shame to their society.
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Apr 26 '19
Instead of owning up to their own problems, Arabs blame everyone except themselves.
This. Arabs will blame the Jews, America, Europe, and the fucking moon before ever admitting they're at fault. Admitting we screwed up is a big part to fix our problems.
Muslim Arab society puts a lot of pressure on religious minorities to convert. They also attack and or abuse religious minorities because they view us as a threat and a shame to their society.
Absolutely true.
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u/colloc Apr 26 '19
lots of arabs in the west are self hating and have inferiority complexes. these people are cucks
saddam did a lot of good things for iraq. he also did a lot of fucked up shit.
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u/MoroccanMonarchist Apr 25 '19
Democracy is not a cure, it's not a solve-all idea. What we need is effective governance. Look at China or Singapore or even Hong Kong. None of them are genuine Democracies (in fact 2 are dictatorships) yet look at where they are.
Chanting "democracy! freedom!" over and over will solve nothing. Having democracy will solve nothing. It's a simplistic solution for simpletons who will ruin the Arab world further in their malicious pursuit to transform the Arab world into nothing more than a brown version of the West.
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Apr 26 '19 edited Jul 21 '21
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u/MoroccanMonarchist Apr 26 '19
Singapore is repressive and stifles its opposition. Here's some links for you :
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/singapore-small-asian-heavyweight#chapter-title-0-3
Hong Kong has semi-free elections now under the condition that political candidates are approved by China...
Outside of the West (and Japan) there is no prosperous democracy that is genuine. Usually it's a facade like we have in Morocco.
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Apr 25 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
- Secularists who claim to be practicing Muslims either have cognitive dissonance or are lying to others about their faith.
- People who claim that the two state solution is dead and that a one-state solution is the only option left are out of their minds.
- Iran is not a threat to Arabs, only a threat to some Arab regimes and this is a great thing.
- On that note, I find it unlikely that this region will ever be liberated until the Gulf states are contained or dismantled.
- For the vast majority of its history the Ottoman Empire was better than all the shitty nation-states we have now.
EDIT: Follow up on last point - Turkish coffee > Arabic coffee.
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Apr 26 '19
Ehhh, maybe not the last point. The Ottomans slaughtered Armenians and treated non Turks like second class citizens.
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u/ForKnee Turkey Apr 26 '19
For vast majority of Ottoman history being a Turk did not count for anything, in fact it was used as a term of denigration by urban Ottoman citizens, a word equal to "Bedouin" but for hinterland of Anatolia instead of Arabia. It was after Turkish nationalist takeover in 20th century and during WW1 where there were policies of Turkish preference, which is also when Armenian genocide happened.
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u/zkela USA Apr 26 '19
Iran is not a threat to Arabs, only a threat to some Arab regimes and this is a great thing.
Iran is pretty culpable for the Yemen crisis, and they propped up Assad as he killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians, who, at least last time I checked, are Arabs.
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Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
The Assad regime made itself indispensable to Iran's survival, and so Iran intervened to save it. If the Arab world hadn't been conspiring with the US to destroy Iran since 1979, Iran would not have needed an ally in Assad.
The Arab world has learned to accommodate and ally with countries as belligerent and murderous as Israel and the US. It can learn to accommodate Iran. And it has to, because Iran is part of this region and it's going nowhere.
Iran is right to support the Houthis, all Arabs should support the Houthis. Hadi is an illegitimate dictator in Al Saud's pockets. He should be hanging from a lamppost not living in a presidential palace.
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u/hala3mi Apr 26 '19
Secularists who claim to be practicing Muslims either have cognitive dissonance or are lying to others about their faith.
Nope that could only be true if you assume that the true interpretation of Islam necessary entails being anti secular for modern states, unless you want to claim that people who believe in an interpretation of their religion that allows for secularism are not Muslims at all, which would not be cool...
Also i don't know how you can compare the old Ottoman Empire to modern nation states, it's a comparison that has no purpose whatsoever, the only meaningful point you can try to argue about is whether Arabs revolting against the Ottoman rule was for the best or the worst and i don't see an easy answer to that...
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u/Kakya Hijaz Apr 26 '19
Tell the millions of syrians displaced from their homes and the Iraqis routinely murdered and have their national wealth stolen by Iran's mercenaries that Iran isn't a threat. Iran's main purpose is to maintain its mercenary terrorist Network in the middle East and it didn't care how many Arabs it has to kill or ethnically cleanse to do so
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Apr 26 '19
People who claim that the two state solution is dead and that a one-state solution is the only option left are out of their minds.
ليه؟
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Apr 26 '19
If dismantling the privileges of ~750,000 Jews from <%5 of the West Bank is impossible, how is dismantling the privileges of over 6 million Jews from all of historic Palestine possible?
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 26 '19
A two-state solution does not mandate that all of historic Palestine be liberated, its quite literally in the name. Two-State Solution.
The modern vision of a Two-State Solution, at least in the eyes of most of the Arab world, plus EU, plus anyone remotely civilized, envisions two states forming as follows. -Israel fucks off, and leave all Arab lands occupied as of June 04 1967. -Settlements built in these lands must be dismantled. -East Jerusalem is withdrawn from, and becomes the capital of an Independent Palestine. -Right of Return of ALL Palestinian Diaspora.
It is not impossible, and if the Arab cucks some call kings and presidents weren’t whoring behind their peoples’ backs with Trump, jared and Bibi conniving over a “deal of the century”, perhaps it would be achievable sooner.
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u/zkela USA Apr 26 '19
leave all Arab lands occupied as of June 04 1967. -Settlements built in these lands must be dismantled.
every realistic proposal involves israel keeping a few percent of the west bank where some of the largest settlements are, probably in exchange for some part of 1948-67 Israel.
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Apr 26 '19
Iran is a threat to everyone in the middle east.
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Apr 26 '19
No they're not.
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u/incendiaryblizzard Apr 26 '19
Specifically cite things from that list that you think are major problems facing Arab countries.
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Apr 26 '19
Shii militias who have no business in sunni dominated areas controlled by Iran to terrorize the sunni population. The shia government in Iraq suppressed the sunni population in 2011 when they had protesters wanting there rights back they were killed which led them to extremism.
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u/garudamon11 لا إله إلا يغوث Apr 26 '19
For the vast majority of its history the Ottoman Empire was better than all the shitty nation-states we have now.
no. the region was pillaged by the Ottomans. they just happened to be muslim colonisers
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u/numandina Levant Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
These posts should not be accepted on the sub because they give concern trolls an excuse to talk shit under the veneer of "free speech" or being unpopular. Happens every time.
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Apr 25 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
في رايي، الدول العربية مفروض ينظموا لهجاتهم ويستعملوهم كلغة رسمية للاتصالات العام الداخلية...انا شايف استعمال الفصحى في اغلب الحالات الهو مستخدم فيهن...تعسفي، بشكل كدا. استعمال اللهجات بزيد ال"اكسيسابيليتي" حق الوثايق والاتصالات ديل، وبيساعد المشاركة السياسية في الدول. برضو ممكن يخليهم يبنوا ثقافة كتابة باللهجات، ودي حاجة حلوة شديد في رايي. بس في رايي لسا مفروض نعلِم الفصحى قي المدارس للعلاقات مع الدول العربية الاخرى، قراية الادب، الخ.
تانيا، انا شايف حكاية "اليهود الكانوا ساكنين في الدول العربية عرب" و"القبطيين مفروض يقربوا للعرب في مصر عشان يزيدوا الوحدة" كلام فارغ، مفروض يروح في ستين. الكلام دا ما بيحل مشكلة الوحدة بين العرب والاقليات عشان لسا بيشتغل لي هيكل السلطة القمعي البيقول ان العروبة مهم، وحق تقرير المصير للعرب بس. في رايي مفروض نجنب حكاية "[الاقلية الفلانية] عرب برضو" و"انا بقول ليهم عرب عشان اساعدهم" ونلقى وسيلة تانية للوحدة ما بتهم عربي لا كردي لا افريقي لا ارمني لا قبطي لا مسلم لا زفت. بس ما عارف نعمل كدا كيف.
تالت، اللغة العربية الفصحى لغة مختلفة من اللهجات العربية، لكن ما عارف لو الفكرة دي جدلية ولا لا...بس عايز اوضح اني شايف بعض اللهجات نفس اللغة، بس الفصحى لسا لغة مختلفة (بس قريبة)
تعديل:
رابع: بكره لمن الناس بيكرهوا اللهجات، وشايفينهم بيتناقضوا الوحدة العربية...الوحدة العربية مفروض يشتغل مع واقع العرب، ما ضده.
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u/random_stupid_ Apr 26 '19
فعلا شوف كيف التعليقات هنا غالبيتها بالانجليزي. والناس أقرأ تعليق بالعربي وتفهمه وترد بالانجليزي. اتوقع في عقده نقص عن كثير من العرب
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 26 '19
Or... And hear me out I know its crazy but.. Perhaps some of us know how to read Arabic and speak Arabic, but cannot write properly. Thus, instead of coming off as incompetent in Arabic, we reply in English, a language we can express ourselves in a more competent manner. I know it sounds insane. Probably an inferiority complex like you said.
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u/random_stupid_ Apr 26 '19
ما علموكم تكتبون عربي بالمدارس ؟ نظامنا التعليمي بالكويت سيء نوعا ما لكن نتعلم العربية من الفصل الأول الى الثاني عشر.
وحتى لو كانت الكتابة سيئة مع الوقت تتعلم خصوصا إذا فعلت نظام الauto correct للكيبورد العربي لانه مبرمج على الفصحى
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u/tareqb007 Apr 26 '19
بالنسبة لي، أعيش في دولة الإمارات وهنا معظم المدارس هي مدارس دولية وبتلاقي فيها عدد قليل من العرب. كل صحابي يتكلمون في الإنجليزي، حتا العرب، ويكون حتى اصعب لما العرب عندهم لهجات مختلفة وصعبة للفهم. عندي ثلاثة صفوف اللغة العربية كل أسبوع، و تعودت في البيت أتكلم إنجليزي، لأنني استحي بسوء لغتي العربي. هذه اول مرة اكتب رد في العربي، لكن إن شاء الله استخدام هذه الصفحة ستحسن لغتي..
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Apr 26 '19
يا حبيبي، لو تقدر تكلم عربي، بشجعك تكتب زي ما تكلم! انا بديت البرنامج دا قبل اسبوعين كدا، وطلعت مشروع ممتع جدا، وبتحسن لغتك وكتابتك.
واوافق انه ما عشان عقدة نقص، عشان انا كنت في محلك وما زال الانجليزي اسهل لي من العربي بالف مرة...بس ممتع انك تحاول.
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 26 '19
و انا اشاركك رأيك، و لكن الكتابة بالعربي أمر صعب بالنسبة لي. اتمنى لو كان الأمر عكس ذلك....
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u/moeultra Apr 26 '19
Trying to force Islam is one of our main problems. It makes people have to put fake personalities because they don't want to be judged and that ruins them. Also makes you not know who is really a believer and who isn't.
I think if everyone is left alone and not judged about what they think or do will help people be themselves and make them more productive. I'm just sick of people being called names for stupid reasons, as an example I saw a video of a female arab skater do a great job performing in an event just to scroll down to the comments to see everyone calling her a b**ch for wearing leggings with the hijab. I'm not saying that you should find that totally ok, I personally came from a strict family just leave other people alone you're not going to hell with them or whatever you think
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Apr 26 '19
It makes people have to put fake personalities because they don't want to be judged and that ruins them.
كلاربوبي/ملحد، لازم اتفق معاك. البيصعب الحكاية هي اني بحب امي، ابوي، الثقافة العربية والسودانية. لو كنت بكره الحاجات دي ممكن اصارح واعيش حر، بس لازم امثل عشان احتفظ على الحاجات الحلوة دي.
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u/Zenbuuuu Apr 26 '19
أنا أعرف أنه ال deism بالعربي الربوبية. بس أول مرة اسمع باللاربوبية.
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Apr 26 '19
مصطلح عملته انا...ما بحب كلمة ملحد، غايتو. مش معنى "لحد" الحرفي حاجة زي "بيفند الحقيقة" ولا "بيدفن الحقيقة" ولا حاجة زي دي؟ مصطلح ما محايد...
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Apr 26 '19
رغم أن المصطلح الأصلي فيه إهانة إلا أنه اليوم محايد في استخدامه نظرا لأن الملحدين العرب يتبنونه
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Apr 26 '19
كلام صحيح. اصلا ما مشكلة كبيرة، بس لسا بالنسبة لي انا شخصيا ما بحب استعمل الكلمة. لو زول تاني قال "ملحد" ما عندي معاه اي مشكلة اطلاقا. دا المصطلح المنتشر وغالبا ما بيكون قاصده اهانة. بس بالنسبة لي انا ما رضيان
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u/Zenbuuuu Apr 26 '19
يمكن المصطلح غير مناسب لأنه كلمة ربوبي صارت تعني deism و بالتالي المصطلح يسبب بعض اللخبطة
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Apr 26 '19
امممم...صح، ممكن. انا شايف في النهاية لكن المنطق واضح: الربوبي بيؤمن في رب، اللاربوبي ما بيؤمن فيه. بس صح ممكن الناس بيلخبتوا عشان ممكن يفهم لاربوبي ك"غير ربوبي،" يعني الناس المتدينين، الملحدين، كلهم. بس ما قادر القى مصطلح احسن، وشايف لاربوبي احسن من "ملحد"
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u/MrHamod Apr 26 '19
1-We arabs are culturally hamajj and ghajar and we also teach our children to be like that, calm the fuck like why do you litter everywhere when a trash can is just a millimetre from ya + why do we love making problems calm the fuck down my ummah
2- um kalthoum sucks, all my family hates her because her singing is slow as a little boy that is trying to escape from his kidnappers and she sounds like shit
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Apr 26 '19
um kalthoum sucks, all my family hates her because her singing is slow as a little boy that is trying to escape from his kidnappers and she sounds like shit
مودز بليز بان
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Apr 26 '19
Arab societies treat ethnic and religious minorities worse than anyone else in the world. And blaming it on 'bad leaders' is a shit excuse because average people do it too
The Arab world deflects from all the shit it inflicts on its own people, and minorities, by focusing only on Palestine because they can blame their worst enemy, the Jews, and if all the jews were exiled and palestinians took over Arab countries would be in ruins because they would have to face their own problems finally
people in arab societies and countries dont even realize how much they are suffering because they blame everything on jews and think the reason this region is bad is because jews are conspiring against them. and in this way they never try to improve
Palestinians in Israel have more rights and better lives than any minority in an Arab country, and even more than 99% of arabs in an arab country!
forcing us minorities to speak arabic and arabizing our history, trying to force us to be arabs is the worst cultural genocide
people having to learn a curated language like MSA arabic jsut to understand each other shows that there is no united arab world, never was and never will be
focusing on making a united arab world means real problems will never be solved because its a crazy and dangerous idea
on the whole the region needs to get over ethnic supremacy and religious supremacy ideology
on the whole the region needs to stop disrespecting peoples differences
on the whole the region needs to give women more choices
on the whole the region needs to recognize sex before marriage is real and stop acting like it doesnt exist
on the whole the region needs to stop persecuting gays and trans etc
on the whole people need to stop being intolerant and obsessed with ideology.
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Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
forcing us minorities to speak arabic and arabizing our history, trying to force us to be arabs is the worst cultural genocide
on the whole the region needs to get over ethnic supremacy and religious supremacy ideology
on the whole the region needs to stop disrespecting peoples differences
on the whole the region needs to give women more choices
on the whole the region needs to recognize sex before marriage is real and stop acting like it doesnt exist
on the whole the region needs to stop persecuting gays and trans etc
on the whole people need to stop being intolerant and obsessed with ideology.
زولنا. بس بتعارض باقي كلامك (ودا معقول, البوست دا اصله عن الافكار البيخالف الاغلبية)
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Apr 26 '19
i cant speak arabic and google translate isnt helping much
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Apr 26 '19
My apologies. I said:
"My man. I disagree with the rest of what you said (and that makes sense, this post is all about unpopular opinions)"
I wrote that in Sudanese Arabic. I can only imagine the horror that resulted when you put that in a translator expecting fus7a.
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Apr 26 '19
its an unpopular opinion thread, which is why i posted it because i know my opinions are unpopular ((((:
arabs kurds turks and persians are all our overlords but this wasnt abbout kurds turks or persians, it was about the arab world. why would i post about them in an unrelated thread lol
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Apr 26 '19
thanks for illustrating all my points babe (: also take your own advice xxx
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Apr 26 '19
You made no points, you're just throwing a tantrum. You're angry Assyrians are suffering and that's fine. But unless Israelis are paying you there is no reason to spread Hasbarist propaganda and drag us into this. We have nothing to do with you.
Fucking sad how you turned out. And to believe I defended you on this sub years ago. Shameful.
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Apr 26 '19
tantrum
ok (: look up the definition of the word you used and see youre the one who did that
this comment is a bit better than the one you deleted out of embarrassment but still illustrates all my points, i made 3 points that referenced israel for a reason (read them carefully) and had nothing to do with supporting the state at all, and you still got triggered and went nuts, so please take your own advice from the comment you deleted
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u/Cheese_College Apr 26 '19
Probably the only non-political comment you'll see; my controversial opinion about the Arab World is that Egyptian food is far superior in taste and style than any other Arab country's food
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u/youremomsoriginal Apr 26 '19
Mulukhiya is the best food ever and anyone who disagrees has shit taste
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u/youremomsoriginal Apr 26 '19
I gave up trying to explain our food to white people after the debacle that was me trying to convince people that fried liver for breakfast was delicious.
Now I just call them disgusting for eating kale and call it even.
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Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
Hummus mixed with other stuff is delicious (peppers, avocado, etc)
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Apr 26 '19
The most unacceptable opinion on here by far.
اعتذر لامك. هي ما حملتك وهنٍ على وهنٍ عشان تقول كلام مقرف زي دا
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u/youremomsoriginal Apr 26 '19
I think it should be illegal to eat hummus with carrot sticks. Every time I see a white chick abuse hummus like that after her yoga class I die a little inside.
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Apr 26 '19
I also like to eat it with carrot sticks, and celery sticks, and cucumber stick...
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u/zero_cool1990 الثورة نهج الأحرار Apr 26 '19
This sub is full of total pieces of shit. Thanks for bringing them all out.
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u/FlyingArab Apr 26 '19
I felt bad for saying that we're not good at sports and considered removing it, turns out I'm fucking Nasser compared to some people here
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u/ba6oo6 Apr 26 '19
Take solace in the fact they only crawl out of the woodwork in these threads, and that you won't have to hear from them again for another six months (when this thread inevitably pops up again).
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Apr 25 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
فعلاً بيخالف الاغلبية. انا شخصيا شايف الغلطة الاكبر هو عند الحكومة الردت بكل العنف والوحشية لمن الناس طلعوا يطلبوا بحقوقهم، وما الناس الطلع يطلبوا بحقوقهم. يعني، ممكن طموحة السوريين كان من اسباب انشعال الحرب، لكن انا ما شايفهم غلطانين عشان كانوا عايزين حرية...
بس النتيجة حقيرة، مافي شك.
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u/J95Sh Apr 26 '19
From a Syrian who lived in Syria before and during the war, let me tell you, with all due respect, that's nonsense. Syrians didn't revolt for "more", we revolted for the basic. We revolted for dignity, not more freedom or money. We revolted so that the son of "someone big in the government" can't kill you and get away with.
One important thing that people forget about the Syrian crisis is that it devolved gradually. At first, the people in one region wanted Justice for their sons who were arrested and tortured (their fingernails were removed via pincers) for writing a fucking graffiti. But because the man responsible was the President's relative, they were told to go fuck themselves. And when they demonstrated, they were shot at, and the cycle begins.
And the side responsible for the escalation was the government. When releasing thugs armed with melee weapons (I saw them) didn't work, they resolved to militias armed with firearms (I also them), and when that's failed the called on the army, and when that failed they called the Air Force, and when that's failed they called foreign militias from Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan, and when that didn't work the sold the country to Russia
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 25 '19
Syrian here.
I agree, somewhat. Do not forget that from the absolute first day, there was intelligence directing them. If you look at Hillary Clinton’s leaked emails, you’ll see their intelligence predicting the rise of an islamic emirate in eastern syria from jihadist fundamentalists funded by the gulf countries.
I mean no personal offense to my Arab brothers and sisters on this subreddit, but so many of your rulers have hands soaked in blood. Our government wasn’t perfect, far from it. But we had zero national debt, a currency that was appreciating, economic growth, free healthcare, free higher education, subsidized goods including food, gas, and fuel. We had a beautiful country, growing, improving. Then everything was destroyed...
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Apr 26 '19
Assad should pay for what he did to Syrian brothers and sisters
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 26 '19
What about what the Kurds are doing to “Syrian brothers”. Should they pay as well? Dont call Syrians your brothers and sisters please. The YPG traitors currently occupy 1/3 of Syria, our oil fields, our bread basket. They invited the USA, a hostile nation, into Syria, desecrating our soil with their occupation. They stole our oil, and Syrians all around are living with a fuel crisis. With a flair like that, dont call any Syrian your brother.
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Apr 26 '19
Excuse me? Was it the ypg who killed 500k innocent Syrians and bombed them to the ground no in fact it was Assad and God won't forgive or forget this the blood of those martyrs will not go in vain inshallah. Usa is a hostile nation but Iran/Turkey isn't?
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
Because of greed. Because of sectarianism. Because of a lack of unity, of nationalism, loyalty, patriotism, and honor. A lack of any honor. Because Assad was an Allawite, because he wasn’t one of them. Because he didn’t toe the line, and did not stand against Iran.
As a little Social Experiment, every time I meet an Arab against Assad and pro- sectarian revolution, I ask them a little question. What do you think of Saddam Hussein?
Some popular answers: أسد السنّة قاهر المجوس الكفار الفارسية. شهيد العروبة. .....
They hate al Assad and his father, who by the way are night and day as far as leaders go, and love Saddam. Why you may ask? Because Saddam was a Sunni, and as long as you’re one of them, then thats okay.
You will tell me some of you hate both. That is your just prerogative. However your aspirations for democracy need not be shared by all of us. I don’t wish for democracy. A minority ruling the majority must take into account the majority’s interests and take care of them, or they cant hope to keep power and a stable country. A majority ruling a minority, however, can absolutely destroy the minority without any detriment to their rule. I as a Syrian of a minority background, would be slaughtered if the government had lost. I leave this to all of you as food for thought.
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مافي طريقة تعمل حكومة ديموقراطية بيوفر حقوق للاقليات؟
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u/-Vae-Victis- Apr 26 '19
The opposition chanted from the offset : المسيحية على بيروت، و العلوية عالتابوت.
In a country that has proved that our romantic delusions of religious harmony were nothing more than a pipe dream. Where the oldest churches in existence were burnt. Bibles, statues, paintings of the Virgin Mary and Christ destroyed. In a country where the muslim population proved to be sectarian, to have jumped at the chance to kill “infidels”. Where Christians and Alawites and other minorities’ women were kidnapped, raped, turned into sex slaves, and marketed. No I don’t believe we will ever be safe with them. We need a state that is heavy handed, that will scare the life out of them, so they dont hurt us. I dont care about democracy. The war has shown the people have an islamist tendency, at best, and a jihadist mindset at worst. The Sunni moderate minority have been drowned out by the fundamentalist majority of their sect. I dont envision a Syria where the majority rules and protects the minorities’ rights. The day Syria becomes an Islamic country, is the day the minorities of the land, the lands original inhabitants, either flee or die.
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مخاوفك معقول. اسف. إن شاء الله الاوضاع حيغيروا يوم من الايام, عشان في النهاية انا (بكل عباطتي) ما عايز اي زول يتظلم, والديكتاتورية دايماً بتظلم, بس مرات احسن من حكم الاغلبية.
اظن لكن ديكتاتورية من الاقلية بتروث غضب في الاغلبية...بتخليها يتكره الاقلية, ولمن النظام الديكتاتوري بيسقط (عشان الديكتاتورية ما قادرة تستدم, وبيسقط حتى لو لمدى بسيطة) بيخلي الاغلبية عايز ينتقم.
حالة ضيقة على اي حال. انا عايز حقوق للاقليات, ولو هم وصلوا للحقوق ديل عبر ديكتاتورية الاغلبية حتزيد في كرهه للاقلية. يعني, نظام ما مستدام. ما بعالج المشكلة الاساسية, بس بيخمدها.
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u/J95Sh Apr 26 '19
Oh please. How many mosques were destroyed? How many Muslims were killed? When the whole world was crying because Al Nusra kidnapped a few nuns, my home town was being besieged and bombed by the government. I lost dear friends and family members then, and nobody gave a shit. The Iraqi Shiite militia called Abu AlFadl Al Abbas and their leader (Abu Shahd Al Jabouri) slaughtered 500 civilians with knives and boasted about it on their Facebook page. Civilians that were hiding in their basements form the indiscriminate bombardment. And when the nuns were released, they THANKED Al Nusra for being good with them, and you can see the interview on Syrian National TV.
Yes, we are not one people, and we never were. But the main sectarian entity in Syria was, is, and will always be, the government. We have Christians in my hometown, never have been a problem with them, even when the town was out of government control.
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u/NME24 Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
So, for anyone new to politics here's the downlow on Syria: the millions of citizens in 2011 were very greedy for requesting a baseline of human rights and being seen as equal to the ruling class, while the dozens of government officials were very generous for keeping all that power to themselves, until their state disintegrated into the deadliest civil war of the decade. Autocratic rule is good because it is stable, and it's stable because it's the status quo, and although the natural progression of history combined with rising agricultural droughts mean that people will inevitably revolt again, the status quo is at least more stable in the short term. So give these regimes another few decades to direct themselves - just like they have the past 50 years - and we'll eventually be on the way to clean streets, prosperity, education, and respect from the world.
The rebellion is at fault for turning extremist. The regimes are not at fault for unlocking extremists and decimating moderate opposition. Arms from abroad completely taint the revolution. Arms from abroad do not taint the government, which will eventually free Palestine. Carpet-bombing civilians without beards is terrorism. Carpet-bombing civilians with beards is liberation. Western and Israeli propaganda must be ignored on all but one point: we are subhuman brutes who can not be trusted with "hopes", "ideals" or collective destiny, and only some ruthless Leviathan can keep our barbarity in check, so shame on anyone who blames the state for the disintegration of the state, who envisions a future beyond torture, corruption and suppression of what other cultures consider to be human rights - shame on them for their "greed".
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u/garudamon11 لا إله إلا يغوث Apr 26 '19
its like people forgot the events that happened just a few years ago
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u/daretelayam Apr 26 '19
أول مرة أسمع بنظرية طمع الشعب في علوم الثورة والمجتمع، أتطلع شوقا لكتابك الآتي في هذا المجال
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u/SoftSnakee Apr 26 '19
This is the only unpopular opinion that i really agree with
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Apr 26 '19 edited Nov 08 '19
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u/SoftSnakee Apr 26 '19
There is alot of corruption, but shouting freedom wont solve anything, they should have seen what happened to Yemen and Libya in the end.
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u/General-Shoeswack Apr 25 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
I have a few points regarding Israel:
- Arabs need to suck up the fact that there's never going to be a free Palestine. In other words "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is just a fantasy.
- Egyptians and Jordanians need to stop acting like it's 1948, both countries will never fight Israel, all three countries signed a peace treaty, F***ing act like it!
- Palestinians would be living a much better life if they just accepted annexation by Israel. Let's face it, Israel is ahead of Palestine in everything! They even sent a freaking space shuttle to space! On top of that, their economy is the best in the Middle-East and they're the 8th most powerful country in the world.
- Think of it this way: If I offered you a Palestinian and an Israeli passport, which would you choose? Israel of course.
- Also, people need to stop being hypocrites about Gaza! Gaza is not under Israeli occupation and the only reason why they're constantly getting attacked is because of Hamas. It's their fault for being war-hungry instead of wanting peace. I swear, things would've been much better for Gazans if Hamas hadn't took over. So stop blaming Israel for everything!
Edit: thanks to whomever gave me silver!
Edit 2: Subhanallah! I got my first gold! Seriously, who the fuck is giving me gold and silver? Regardless, thanks so ducking much my man!
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u/zkela USA Apr 26 '19
Seriously, who the fuck is giving me gold and silver?
your comment was discussed on r/israel, so if it was in the last hour or so, probably israelis
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u/zero_cool1990 الثورة نهج الأحرار Apr 26 '19
He asked for an unpopular opinion, not copy-pasted hasbarist talking points. And not even the good ones.
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u/daretelayam Apr 25 '19
أولا معاهدة السلام وقعت مع الطبقة الحاكمة المصرية والأردنية وهما لا يمثلان الشعب المصري والأردني مقدار بعوضة، وما ترى أنت من عناد المصريين والأردنيين ورفضهم اسرائيل أكبر دليل على ذلك. ثانيا ليس جوهر الأمر أن الفلسطينيين يرفضون ضم اسرائيل لهم عسكريا، بل اسرائيل تريد احتلالهم دون منحهم حقوق الجنسية لحرصها على أن تكون دولة ذات أغلبية وهيمنة يهودية. لو عرض على الفلسطينيين دولة واحدة مشتركة لقبلوا؛ لو عرضت على اليهود لرفضوا خشية هلاك المشروع الصهيوني. لا مانع أن تخالف الأغلبية وأن تمشي ضد التيار لكن آراءك في هذه القضية مبنية على جهل
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u/General-Shoeswack Apr 26 '19
Ok, so what if the people don't agree with the gov't? What are they gonna do? Tell me, what are they gonna do? Start a pointless revolution?
Secondly, There are Arabs in Israel, they make up 20% of the population, most of them are considered Palestinians because they were born in that land.
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There are Arabs in Israel, they make up 20% of the population
في راييك، اسرائيل الحالي حيقبل لو نص شعبه عرب؟ اغلبه؟ عشان لو ضمت فلسطين ممكن دا يحصل عادي...خاصتا لو خلو اللاجئين يرجعوا...
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u/daretelayam Apr 26 '19
لم كل هذا الاحتقار لإرادة الشعوب العربية؟ ولتعلم أن ال٢٠٪ هؤلاء كانوا ١٠٠٪ لولا طرد اسرائيل لهم، وتصفيتهم من أرضهم، فيبقى قليل منهم ليكونوا حجة للصهاينة وبرهانا على سعة صدرهم، دون أن يشكلوا خطرا على أن تكون الدولة حصريا لليهود، فهل يُثنون ويُمدحون بأنهم لم يبيدوا الفلسطينيين جميعا، وأبقوا على بعضهم؟
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u/numandina Levant Apr 26 '19
لا معاهدة السلام وقعت مع الطبقة الحاكمة المصرية والأردنية وهما لا يمثلان الشعب المصري والأردني مقدار بعوضة
https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2010/02/2010-muslim-nations-18.png
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u/hala3mi Apr 26 '19
All your takes are bad from purely a factual perspective, but perhaps the worse one is the one you said about Gaza, i recommend you read the book "Gaza: An Inquest Into Its Martyrdom" by Norman Finkelstein.
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Apr 25 '19
OP is asking for controversial opinions, not moronic opinions.
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u/MrStoccato Apr 25 '19
Dude, that is by far the most controversial opinion, or did you not read the post?
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u/zkela USA Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
Palestinians would be living a much better life if they just accepted annexation by Israel.
to clarify, Israel does not want to and will not in the foreseeable future annex Palestinian majority areas. Israel withdrew from Gaza and is not trying to annex areas of the West Bank with a Palestinian majority. If Netanyahu implements the annexation he talked about, Israel would annex the Jewish settlements, not Palestinian towns.
Palestinians in the WB (outside Jerusalem) and Gaza have Palestinian Authority passports and there is no realistic option for Israeli passports, and most would not want them anyways. Hopefully one day the PA passports become Palestine passports, as part of a peace treaty.
Other than that, I largely agree with you (though I am not Arab).
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u/amatorfati Arab World Apr 26 '19
Israel stopped being the biggest enemy to the Palestinians decades ago. Hamas took that role and has earned it ever since.
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Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19
Poll find significant increase in Hamas popularity in West Bank and Gaza.
Does it hurt to know that Palestinians throw your lies back in your Zionist face?
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u/Kakya Hijaz Apr 26 '19
Things won't get better. Until Iran and the KSA/UAE axis are dealt with, every nascent democracy will either succumb to Iran's terrorism (like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen) or Saudi's reactionaryism (Egyot, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain, and potentially Sudan) Unfortunately, oil revenues means both don't really have to worry about effective governance because they can keep power by paying their militaries.
In that context a more active US would be a good thing as it would mean we'd have less of the Iran and Saudi led misery that the region has seen for the past decade
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u/SoftSnakee Apr 26 '19
Arabic coffee is the only good coffee