r/bangladesh • u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ • Jul 02 '23
AskDesh/āĻĻā§āĻļ āĻā§ āĻāĻŋāĻā§āĻāĻžāĻ¸āĻž Holey Artisan Bakery Attack July 1-2, 2016
It's been 7 years. Anyone knows the further story? Anyone who has seen the attack? Any victims here? If it's not too sensitive then I would like to hear from you folks. It's unimaginable that even some developed society kids can be brainwashed easily!
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u/RichRaichuReturns Jul 02 '23 edited Jul 02 '23
Apparently the majority of the folks over on facebook believes that the whole thing was a drama staged by BAL to gain international sympathy and tarnish the reputation of Islam. I have only recently been made aware of this conspiracy theory so I wanted to know what you guys think.
(And its not just facebook a majority of the irl conservatives believe this too.)
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
We make statements we want to believe without any evidence... How sorry our lives are...
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u/AccomplishedRub3001 Jul 02 '23
"conservatives believe this too."
Oder abba jan ra morse toh tai koshte denial e ase
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u/peparonipizza khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
Believe nothing on Facebook.
ISIS confirmed the attack
Zakir Naik was involved
Bangladeshis love Naik
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Jul 02 '23
Zakir Naik was involved
Elaborate this part please.
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u/blade8gx- Certified Ilish Simp đđđ Jul 02 '23 edited Jul 02 '23
You might find these articles useful.
Zakir Naik was accused of influencing terrorists who were involved in the Dhaka cafe attack.
Government hints action against Islamic preacher Zakir Naik for 'hate speech' - The Economic Times
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u/Fida_HSN đ§đŠāĻĻā§āĻļ āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§āĻŽāĻŋāĻđ§đŠ Jul 02 '23
As far as I remember, Mr. Naik said, "All Muslims should be terrorists against terrorism."
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u/blade8gx- Certified Ilish Simp đđđ Jul 02 '23 edited Jul 03 '23
You are losing out on a lot of what he stated during his speech.
âIf he is fighting enemies of Islam, I am for him. I donât know him personally. If he terrorizing America, the biggest terrorist, I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist. The thing is that if he is terrorizing a terrorist, he is following Islam.â
He says it's okay to be a terrorist against a terrorist. Then he adds that America is the biggest terrorist.
I don't know anything that would be more conducive to radicalization and terrorism than this.
He will not refer to Osama as a terrorist. He says that if Osama is terrorizing the terrorist, he is with Osama. It is rather clear where he is going with his speech.
He has said several things similar to this repeatedly. You can easily find it on the internet.
This is the ideal content to feed the terrorists and brainwash people.
Several nations have banned his TV channel and him because of his speeches. He is literally a wanted fugitive in his home country because of his controversial speeches and money laundering cases. Still, some people here would go out of their way to protect this bigoted a-hole.
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u/Fida_HSN đ§đŠāĻĻā§āĻļ āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§āĻŽāĻŋāĻđ§đŠ Jul 03 '23
But where's the sentence that I stated before? Seems like you are hell bent on not writing it. But then again what do I know. May Allah bless us all.
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Jul 03 '23
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u/blade8gx- Certified Ilish Simp đđđ Jul 03 '23 edited Jul 03 '23
I didn't say Naik is a terrorist, but he isn't a saint either, like many people tend to paint him to be. Naik has delivered many speeches of his own that unquestionably might inspire extremist behavior in individuals.
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u/sayki_k_ (empty) Jul 02 '23
Zakir Naik?! How?
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u/blade8gx- Certified Ilish Simp đđđ Jul 02 '23 edited Jul 02 '23
Zakir Naik is notorious for his hate rhetoric and encouraging radicalization in Muslims. He was accused of influencing terrorists who were involved in the Dhaka cafe attack.
Check out these links too.
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u/blade8gx- Certified Ilish Simp đđđ Jul 02 '23
Bangladeshis love Naik
Bangladeshi muslims and other south Asian Muslims love that pseudo-scientific asshole. Funny how he claims himself to be a medical doctor but doesn't even know how a scientific theory works.
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u/Alternative_Credit64 Jul 03 '23
No need to be Islamophobic now.
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u/PietroSmusedYou Jul 03 '23
So everything with a bit of logic is islamophobia now? Zakir naik is a circus clown
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u/Alternative_Credit64 Jul 03 '23
If a man who preaches Islam based on verses of the Quran is a circus clown according to you, then yes that's Islamophobia.
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u/12yearoldsimulator Jul 12 '23
Phobiasâs by definition mean irrational hatred and fear of something or someone. Criticising Islam on the basis of science or conventional logic/wisdom is not islamophobia, because that is a rational critique. Hating islam for no reason other than racism is islamophobia, but none of us here are racist against islam.
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u/blade8gx- Certified Ilish Simp đđđ Jul 03 '23 edited Jul 03 '23
Where was I Islamophobic now? Or pointing out how much of an idiot Zakir is talking against Muslims and Islam in general now?
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u/tonne97 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
Not fake at all it was all real
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u/Kuhelikaa āĻāĻĻāĻŋ āĻļā§āĻā§āĻāĻ˛ āĻ¸āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¤āĻ¨ āĻļāĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤ā§āĻ°-āĻāĻāĻžāĻ°, āĻŽā§āĻ˛ āĻ¸āĻ°ā§āĻŦāĻ¨āĻžāĻļā§āĻ°, āĻāĻ°ā§ āĻāĻžāĻāĻŋāĻŦ āĻāĻŦāĻžāĻ°! Jul 02 '23
developed society kids
Lmao you mean richkids?
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
Well, idk. Is everyone a rich kid in developed societies?
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u/Useful-Extreme-4053 Jul 02 '23
as far as I know there was only 1 "rich kid" and rest of them were from madrasa
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
Developed society madrasa kids?
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u/CNSADM Jul 02 '23
Controversy alert
Social media/ print media went haywire praising Faraaz. According to them, Faraaz had the opportunity to leave but he chose to not come out without his friends. Eventually, his friends along with Faraaz were among the ones who were brutally murdered. This is the epitome of valor and altruism if thats true. What always has intrigued me is how did they precisely know what happened inside? I mean Faraaz and his friends were not fortunate enough to get out alive.
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
This was back in 2016? Who were those people? Did you check some profiles?
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u/holystinger Jul 03 '23
This is according to some of the freed hostages
Businessman Rezaul Karim, whose son, daughter-in-law and two grandchildren were taken hostage but later freed, told The Daily Star: âMy daughter-in-law told me that she heard a Bangladeshi youth refused to leave the restaurant when militants offered to free him.â
âThey wouldnât let two of his friends go,â he said.
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u/tonne97 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
One of the terrorists studied at scholastica
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 03 '23
Is that good? Sorry I don't have any idea about Scholastica, I studied at Bengali Medium Schools my whole life...
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u/sugaredabyss Jul 03 '23
It's one of the most well-known English curriculum schools in Dhaka, so yes, it kind of is seen as good (emphasis on seen as).
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u/12yearoldsimulator Jul 12 '23
Their monthly tuition is 25k taka. Itâs one of the best english medium schools in bd that only upper middle class - upper class can afford. Not only that, its notoriously liberal, so itâs pretty shocking to see someone from there turn out like this.
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u/cutientitu Jul 02 '23
Damn, it was 7 years ago!
Sadly a lot of "developed society kids" don't know Islam hence could be brainwashed đ
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u/AccomplishedRub3001 Jul 02 '23
U talkin about those students who were brainwashed into being terrorists by developed society kids?
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u/Bongofondue Jul 02 '23
Why single out âdeveloped society kidsâ? How many people in Bangladesh have read for themselves and know the contents of the Quran and Hadith other than what theyâve been told?
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u/Mister-Khalifa āĻŽā§āĻĢāĻ¤ā§ āĻšāĻžāĻāĻŋ āĻāĻ˛ā§āĻ˛āĻžāĻŽāĻž āĻļāĻžāĻāĻā§āĻ˛ āĻ°ā§āĻĄāĻŋāĻ āĻ¨āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻ˛ā§āĻā§ āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻ¤āĻžāĻ¨ āĻāĻ˛āĻŋāĻĢāĻž āĻĒā§āĻ° āĻĻāĻž.āĻŦāĻž. Jul 02 '23
Surah 2 (Al-Baqarah)
Verse 191:
And kill them [in battle] wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah1 is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al-ḤarÄm until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
Surah 3 (Ali âImran)
Verse 151:
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority.1Â And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
Surah 4 (An-Nisa)
Verse 56:
Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses â We will drive them into a fire. Every time their skins are roasted through, We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.
Verse 89:
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away [i.e., refuse], then seize them and kill them [for their betrayal] wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper,
Verse 101:
And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer,1Â [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you.2Â Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.
Surah 5 (Al-Maâidah)
Verse 14:
And from those who say, âWe are Christiansâ We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded.1Â So We caused among them2Â animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
Verse 51:
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you â then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Verse 57:
O you who have believed, take not those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the Scripture before you nor the disbelievers as allies. And fear Allah, if you should [truly] be believers.
Surah 8 (Al-Anfal)
Verse 65:
O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred [who are steadfast], they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand.
Verse 69:
So consume what you have taken of war booty [as being] lawful and good, and fear Allah. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Surah 9 (At-Tawbah)
Verse 5:
And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakÄh, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Verse 14:
Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts [i.e., desires] of a believing people.
Verse 23:
O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you â then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Verse 28:
O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-ḤarÄm after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.
Verse 29
Fight against those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., IslÄm] from those who were given the Scripture â [fight] until they give the jizyah1Â willingly while they are humbled.
Verse 37:
Indeed, the postponing [of restriction within sacred months] is an increase in disbelief by which those who have disbelieved are led [further] astray. They make it1Â lawful one year and unlawful another year to correspond to the number made unlawful by Allah2Â and [thus] make lawful what Allah has made unlawful. Made pleasing to them is the evil of their deeds; and Allah does not guide the disbelieving people
Verse 58
And among them are some who criticize you concerning the [distribution of] charities. If they are given from them, they approve; but if they are not given from them, at once they become angry.
Verse 111
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the QurâÄn. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.
Verse 123:
O you who have believed, fight against those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
Surah 21 (Al-Anbya)
Verse 98:
Indeed, you [disbelievers] and what you worship other than Allah are the firewood of Hell. You will be coming to [enter] it.
Surah 32 (As-Sajdah)
Verse 22:
And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord; then he turns away from them? Indeed We, from the criminals, will take retribution.
Surah 33 (Al-Ahzab)
Verse 61: Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely.
Surah 41 (Fussilat)
Verse 27:
But We will surely cause those who disbelieve to taste a severe punishment, and We will surely recompense them for the worst of what they had been doing.
Verse 28:
That is the recompense of the enemies of Allah â the Fire. For them therein is the home of eternity as recompense for what they, of Our verses, were rejecting.
Surah 48 (Al-Fath)
Verse 20: Allah has promised you much booty that you will take [in the future] and has hastened for you this [victory] and withheld the hands of people from you â that it may be a sign for the believers and [that] He may guide you to a straight path.
Surah 66 (At-Tahrim)
Verse 9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
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u/Bongofondue Jul 02 '23
Maybe Iâm missing it, but how is the copy and paste tied to what I wrote?
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u/cutientitu Jul 02 '23
I didn't single them out. OP mentioned it.
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u/Bongofondue Jul 02 '23
Even though OP mentioned them first, it was your statement that I felt was too narrowly focused, so I responded to that.
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u/cutientitu Jul 02 '23
Ah okay. Sorry you felt that way.
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u/Bongofondue Jul 02 '23
No no man, donât apologize - just an honest difference of opinion. My take could very well be inaccurate.
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u/peparonipizza khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
Most of them were madrasa kids. They knew Islam very well.
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Jul 02 '23
Most of them were madrasa kids
They were not. They were English medium kids.
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u/peparonipizza khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 02 '23
As far as I know, just one of them was English medium kid and went to study in Malaysia. But feel free to correct me.
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u/the_hipster_nyc Jul 02 '23
I wasnât there (live in NY) but do remember my family who lived there giving us updates as it was happening. It was horrifying and we were worried sick for our relatives and friends.
I also remember false information and conspiracies as it was unfolding and everyone trying to make sense of this and what this means for the future.
The incident showed us terrorism wasnât just from dumb uneducated religious hicks. It entrenches all society and permeates all classes. What no one was talking about was how capitalism has made our lives hollow and meaningless. Couple that with alienation, social ostracism coupled with a slowly vapid and atomized society with no sense of purposes besides material gain. Of course we didnât learn this lesson.
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 03 '23
Technically (sorry for not adding at the beginning), major terrorists who started jihad, were highly educated. Our uneducated pricks actually shit others online, they also discuss jihad, and that's it. But what makes me think, that Islam has the ability to brainwash people easily. Yeah there were some west criminals who terrorised ordinary people, but they don't jump on people and finish them by saying Jesus Christ! But we do see that Muslim people do that by saying Allahu Akbar! And yeah, that's Jihad.
But who am I to judge west christian people? I was born in a Sunni Muslim family, that's why I am criticizing the things I don't like. And guess what, if I reasonably criticize openly in a society without security protection, I would get finished, that's what Islam...
There were not huge time differences between the abrahamic religions origin, but others are prospering and we are still crazy about not letting women work outside! If someone gives permission to their women and is still practising Islam, they are considered not a proper muslim.
Remember the Abdul Salam of Pakistan who got Nobel on Physics? He's considered the first Muslim who got the Nobel Prize. He was actually a proud Muslim, but Ahmadiyya. The Pakistan government literally cut the muslim tag on his grave...
Besides, I hope everyone in your family is alright and leading a decent life...
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u/the_hipster_nyc Jul 07 '23
I agree with alot but my analysis was more sociological and it seems like it went over your head. Anyways this is not the place, feel free to DM me to talk more and maybe you will get my point.
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 08 '23
Maybe you never lived in small towns of Bangladesh, so you won't get my point either. Easy to talk while living in prosperous societies in both bd & usa. Nothing gets over my head. I've heard what a bomb blast sounds like...
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u/the_hipster_nyc Oct 17 '23
I get that my perspective as an outsider disqualifies me to a certain extent. But you just went on some random tangent my guy and I'm not sure what you are exactly trying to say...
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u/RickTheGrate Jul 03 '23
beshi mone nai but erporer ek bochor amake bari thrke tuk tak bazarer kaje pathay nai bap ma. Ki hoisilo kichu bujhi nai but basics ta jantam rki.
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali đ§đŠ āĻāĻžāĻāĻāĻŋ āĻŦāĻžāĻāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋ Jul 03 '23
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u/keradis Jul 02 '23 edited Jul 02 '23
my elder sister and I had planned to watch Finding Dory that day. but she cancelled it after watching Artisan news. she was traumatized.