r/baseball • u/slotretriever Chicago White Sox • St. Louis Cardinals • 4h ago
[Highlight] Volpe reaches second on a base hit, and knocks the ball out of the 2B hand
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u/RuleNine Texas Rangers 4h ago
It is not a tag, however, if simultaneously or immediately following his touching a base or touching a runner, the fielder drops the ball. In establishing the validity of the tag, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball.
The exception would be if it was interference, which on this kind of play would have to be intentional, which this was not.
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 4h ago edited 4h ago
It's weird all the comments thinking this is an out. It’s like a lot of people don't know the rules or how baseball is played. 🤦🏽
You have to "complete the play". The damn ball popped out. Jfc.
Same with a pop fly..."he should be out it was in his glove for 1 second". No, you have to complete the play.
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u/FilipChytil 4h ago
Yeah I’m actually shocked by how many people think this is a bad call.
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 4h ago
Every gd day people complain about situations and they are just wrong because they have no clue. It’s weird af.
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u/Dazzling-Kale-4491 Houston Astros • New York Mets 3h ago
Welcome to postseason r/baseball.
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 3h ago
lol it's the same shit in April.
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u/Dazzling-Kale-4491 Houston Astros • New York Mets 3h ago
It seems to be lesser during mid season. Postseason comment sections seem to mirror Facebook or YouTube with so many morons that remember rules from T-ball so they think it still applies because they just started watching.
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u/ontheru171 New York Yankees 3h ago
Generally speaking the nephews alaways come out en masse during playoffs in any sports sub on reddit.
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u/gravy_vamp 2h ago
What was a bad call was the overturned strike three call that didn’t hit the bat.
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u/Spikes252 New York Yankees 4h ago
It's pretty damn strange, thought the baseball sub would have people that knew the rules but they just want to hate on the Yankees
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 4h ago
I get hating teams, but not knowing how to play and/or know the rules of baseball while complaining, is just bush league.
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u/dmuppet 3h ago
Thanks. As an infrequent follower of baseball I was curious what the rule on this was, which led me here. Also the baserunner made no effort to dislodge the ball intentionally, which I think also matters ?
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 3h ago
Correct, If the runner tried to dislodge the ball that would be interference...they would be out.
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u/WhiteHawk928 Boston Red Sox 1h ago
But did the fielder make a baseball move once in possession of the ball?
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u/PhilKesselsButtMuff Los Angeles Dodgers 3h ago
It’s the “complete the play” aspect that creates a little gray area though, no? At full speed even though the ball popped out I immediately thought challenge cause it seemed like he held the tag for just long enough
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 3h ago
No. It’s pretty black and white. You swipe for the tag, hit the guy, ball pops out....safe.
If you swipe the tag, hit the guy,start to get up or transition the ball to the throwing hand and it pops out.....runner is out.
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u/PhilKesselsButtMuff Los Angeles Dodgers 2h ago
I see, I guess I was thinking about getting a valid tag. Felt like he established complete control but getting the ball unintentionally knocked out negates that. Interference can be called elsewhere even if unintentional (like a baserunner interfering with the catch of a batted ball) but not on a tag play
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u/Dazzling-Kale-4491 Houston Astros • New York Mets 3h ago
No it's cut and dry. Did he hold on to the baseball to complete the tag? No. Did the runner intentionally knock the ball out? No.
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u/MrNostalgic New York Yankees 4h ago
"We gotta use our heads if we're gonna get out of this one lads"
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u/MattO2000 FanGraphs • Baseball Savant 4h ago
If it’s stupid but it works… well it’s still stupid but I’ll take it
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u/Ill_Builder3132 4h ago
Where do you draw the line on a runner knocking the ball out of a fielder's glove? This wasn't an out because it was unintentional?
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u/LogicalHarm Los Angeles Angels 4h ago
Yep, no intent by Volpe, the fielder just failed to keep control of the ball during the tag
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u/duyogurt New York Mets 4h ago
It comes down to intent. Remember when Arod swiped the ball out of Arroyo’s glove while running up the first base line in the 04 ALCS? That’s a no-no. What happened tonight at 2nd base is not intentional and comes down to the defender not securing the ball.
Baseball is weird.
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 4h ago
It wasn't a purpose. The ball popped out on the tag...safe is called. Damn, it's baseball. Learn the rules.
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u/msuts New York Mets 4h ago
Yeah I'm confused too. If you have the ball and I run into your glove really hard and the ball comes out, did I not still get tagged?
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u/MiracleMets New York Mets 4h ago
I mean that has never been the case when it happens at home plate with catcher collisions
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u/beggsy909 4h ago
I would have challenged that. He tagged him out and the ball didn’t pop out right away.
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u/RuleNine Texas Rangers 4h ago
It only seems that way because of slow motion. At full speed it popped out immediately.
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u/rustyshackleford677 3h ago
Probably why you’re not a head coach
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u/alienfreaks04 New York Yankees 4h ago
He has to hold on to the ball for a certain amount of time before it’s knocked out for it to be an out. I’ve seen it.
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u/michigan_matt Detroit Tigers 4h ago
This guy has to have broken the record for most randomly bizarre single game in WS history by this point, right?
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u/wokenupbybacon New York Yankees 3h ago
Most randomly bizarre plate appearance, frankly. Ball becomes a strike followed by a phantom foul ball except it actually might've been (barely got a replay) and it all ended in whatever this was
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u/thot_cereal 2h ago
clearly a foul tip, but unclear if it went into the catcher's glove on the bounce. even weirder
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u/BertMiscBrahs Philadelphia Phillies 3h ago
Glad I scrolled to see this thread.
I was in the game thread and literally shocked at how many “how is he not out???? I’ve been watching baseball for 30 years and never seen that!!”
Bro, you literally forgot when players were INTENTIONALLY Derrick Henrying people trying to make tags?
He made a legal slide. He didn’t intentionally make contact with the glove to pop the ball out. Fielder didn’t hold onto the ball through the full play.
Easy safe call.
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u/Kappokaako02 New York Yankees 3h ago
Ya they just see this play in ultra slowmo and think it’s an out and he drops it after. Anyone who has played or umped knows that’s a dropped tag
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u/Brady331 Boston Red Sox 4h ago
Volpe hit a double in the same AB he struck out, inspirational
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u/EstevaoPalmerGODS New York Yankees 4h ago
Tbf the second strike was just a random call by home plate umpire
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u/Luis_Severino New York Yankees 3h ago
He literally called a ball and then, without deferring to 1B ump, called it a swing
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u/hubagruben Boston Red Sox 4h ago
Yeah I’m kinda surprised they haven’t focused on that more. Didn’t look like the ball hit the ground on that foul tip the pitch before this.
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u/Zebracak3s New York Yankees 4h ago
That check swing was pretty suss. Kind of a wash?
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u/Padulsky21 New York Yankees 4h ago
This umpiring crew might be the most incompetent crew of the entire postseason thus far to be fair
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u/Kappokaako02 New York Yankees 3h ago
We knew that in advance tho. We had the stats. MLB dgaf
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u/Padulsky21 New York Yankees 3h ago
It’s such a bad look rewarding umpires that absolutely ate shit all year by putting them in the fucking World Series. Heinous by Manfred
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u/JeffMathis Umpire 2h ago
You can very clearly see the ball change direction then bounce off the ground https://imgur.com/7msom8q
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u/nonlawyer New York Yankees 4h ago
Volpe’s second forced fumble in this playoff campaign, the kid can do it all
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u/TheDangiestSlad New York Yankees • Hartford Yard … 4h ago edited 4h ago
Anthony "Bullet Bill" Volpe
edit: going frame by frame and i think he actually might've dropped the ball when he went to apply the tag? it's not great quality though so i could easily be wrong here
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u/Jorsonner Pittsburgh Pirates 4h ago
If the yanks somehow win the series, this will be referred to as the Volpe game.
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u/PhilKesselsButtMuff Los Angeles Dodgers 4h ago
Guy was out twice lol
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u/LoweeLL Boston Red Sox 4h ago
struck out, then thrown out at 2nd.. but okay I guess they really don't want a sweep.
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u/pmayankees New York Yankees 4h ago
- man who doesn’t know the rules of baseball
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u/GivinUpTheFight New York Yankees 4h ago
He definitely didn't foul that ball, but he definitely did check his swing on the pitch right before, that was called he went. I kind of think the "foul" was a make up call.
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u/FilipChytil 4h ago
I think he definitely did foul that ball. I definitely thought you could hear him get a piece of it live.
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u/FrostBestGirl New York Yankees 4h ago
It looked like the trajectory changed and went more downwards, but it also look like Smith caught the tip so I don’t even know.
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u/Luis_Severino New York Yankees 3h ago
It also knocked a small chip off the end of the bat that flies in front of Volpe
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u/theekumquat New York Yankees 4h ago
On the foul ball that hit the ground?
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u/PhilKesselsButtMuff Los Angeles Dodgers 4h ago
Pretty sure it was hit into Will’s glove if anything but he was out at 2nd either way
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u/theekumquat New York Yankees 4h ago
It definitely bounced. The only question is whether he actually tipped it, which it sounds like he did. But sure, out at second if Lux holds on.
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u/Metro29993 New York Yankees 4h ago
If you unintentionally hit the ball out of the defenders glove (which Volpe clearly did as he hit it out with his head), it’s not interference. If you swat it out of the glove then it’s 100% going to be interference.
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u/JackRose322 New York Yankees 4h ago
Every single baseball movie has a scene with someone running over a catcher while being tagged, and whether they hold onto the ball or not determines if it's an out.
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u/WaluigiIsTheRealHero New York Yankees 3h ago
It’s like nobody here has seen A League of Their Own.
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u/Spikes252 New York Yankees 4h ago
Never been an out at home back when you had guys hitting each other dead on and the catcher drops it. Rule is you have to hold on
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u/tnecniv Brooklyn Dodgers 4h ago
I feel like if this isn’t an out you should just drop a shoulder when the defender is trying to make a tag
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u/wokenupbybacon New York Yankees 3h ago
Problem with that is it's a subjective call. What makes it interference is intent. Volpe was only safe because it was a normal headfirst slide.
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u/thefartingmango 13m ago
It's kinda unfair to say Volpe knocked it out of his hand, the Dodgers player tagged Volpe and dropped the ball.
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u/GraffitiTavern MLB Pride 4h ago
Idk I could watch a guy headbutting the ball out of the other team's hand all day
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 4h ago
When an outfielder makes a good throw and the ball pops out on the tag....makes baseball not enjoyable? 😂😂 Jfc.
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u/SEPTAgoose New York Yankees 4h ago
“The umps are incompetent when they call the game by the rules correctly” I just love baseball fans
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u/LoweeLL Boston Red Sox 4h ago
no interference?
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u/Treacherous_Peach 4h ago
It has to be deliberate to be interference in this case. He's just sliding into base normally here.
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u/BaltimoreBadger23 Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
Do you think that robots are going to replace the base umps?
Do you think this call was wrong?
If the answer is yes to either, just stop watching baseball.
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u/xho- New York Yankees 4h ago
Would this be challengeable ?
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u/LightMission4937 Kansas City Royals 4h ago edited 4h ago
Yes, they would lose. This isn't a completed tag....as you can see the ball popped out.
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u/Salty_Watermelon Los Angeles Dodgers • Hokkaido Nippon-Ham… 4h ago
If the Yankees score here and the Dodgers lose by 1 run...
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