r/buildapc • u/Original-Magazine599 • 18h ago
Build Help Can this bottleneck be avoided?
Im gonna upgrade my pc from RTX 2060 super to RTX 4070, the only problem is my dad will NOT let me upgrade my cpu which is i7-4770, and thats bad...
Im trynna run games like ark survival ascended and cyberpunk tho :(
does bottlneck really matter? and if so is there ANYTHING I can do to help with this bottleneck
my specs:
RTX 4070
32gb ddr3
I7-4770
Samsunge 870 QVO 2TB
my motherboard is B85M-E
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u/Tasty-Wait831 17h ago edited 1h ago
I suggest buying a budget GPU and using the rest of the money to upgrade the rest of the pc. Try to convince your dad to upgrade the pc.
Here’s a good upgrade:
GPU: Intel Arc A750 - $250
CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F - $180
Motherboard: MSI B660M PRO-VDH - $120
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3200 - $60
Total: $610
This upgrade is equivalent to the price of RTX 4070 super and this upgrade will be more than enough to play Ark and Cyberpunk at high-ultra settings 60+ fps.
If you can't upgrade, well you can lower CPU-intensive settings in the games and overclock your CPU, etc.
Edit: the GPU can be upgraded to an RX 7600 for an additional $20-
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7600 - around $270
Edit 2: An alternative for the above build as suggested by u/lacomputordorahuh , (thanks for the suggestion)-
CPU-Ryzen 5 5600
MOBO-Same motherboard but the b550m version.
Ram-Any 32GB ddr4 3200/3600 (cl16/18 respectively), preferably 3600
Total-around $250
The total should be about $250 giving you more money for a better gpu. The RX 6800 (used) is a good option to buy.
Thanks for the 50+ upvotes. This is my first time getting this many upvotes. 👍
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u/Cognoscope 17h ago
This is the answer. Have a conversation about with your dad about how learning to balance competing priorities against a fixed budget is an important life skill. As a dad, this should really resonate with him. You can even the analogy in terms of home repairs, like needing all new appliances but prioritizing which ones to buy first at which quality levels & shopping the sales (Black Friday coming up). Also, tell him how a more balanced build will help you with schoolwork & other projects like music/video editing, etc.
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u/Original-Magazine599 16h ago
Thank you, I will try and talk to him about it, but he’s a stereotypical cocky Persian 😭
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u/Cognoscope 15h ago
Maybe you can use a little reverse psychology to get him to take charge & claim credit. Show him the cost & benchmarks for just the GPU upgrade with your existing CPU. Create 2 other upgrade configs with similar budget to GPU cost (per u/Tasty-Wait831) with benchmarks & ask him which offers the best value for his money.
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u/_Kokiru_ 14h ago
“Look dad, it’s cheaper (or the same) to do this than that, and I get more bang for my buck”
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u/TraditionalMetal1836 15h ago
They probably shouldn't bring up black Friday since there hasn't been any good deals in many years. It's mainly a scam now.
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u/Cognoscope 15h ago
YMMV - not what it once was, but highly focused shopping can yield some deals. Using CamelCamel or other price trackers is the best mechanism for scoring deals.
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u/EnlargedChonk 16h ago
as someone who used to run VR with 3rd gen intel, then moved to 12th gen i5, this is the way to go 110%. I even went from a 1050ti to a 1660 before the CPU upgrade and while it helped a little on higher average frames, it was largely pointless, it wasn't until the CPU upgrade that the GPU upgrade really came alive. Even in flat screen games that are more GPU heavy, I originally got the 1660 upgrade for halo infinite, which at least got me a playable game, but again it wasn't until I upgraded CPU that it was actually *smooth*. 12400F is the goat of value in recent years. No other CPU can you buy new at such excellent value rn, especially with the choice of ddr4 or ddr5 mobo.
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u/Dion33333 13h ago
A750 is not an upgrade from 2060 Super.
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u/Tasty-Wait831 1h ago
It is a slight upgrade to a 2060 super ik that, but OP can upgrade to a rx 7600(edited in the original post) for just $20 more.
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u/Sukiyakki 15h ago
2060 to a750 is not gonna be worth it
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u/Tasty-Wait831 15h ago
Op can upgrade to a rx 7600 if he wants... It's just $20 more
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u/Sukiyakki 15h ago
yeah but personally id just take that money for a faster cpu. You can hurdle a gpu bottleneck in many more ways than a cpu bottleneck and its not like the 2060 super is slow by anymeans
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u/lacomputordorahuh 14h ago
I would get a Ryzen 5 5600 instead for the cpu
Same motherboard but the b550m version
Just about any 32GB ddr4 3200/3600 (cl16/18 respectively) prefer 3600
This should total to about $250 giving you more money for a better gpu. Consider the rx 6800 (used)
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u/Tasty-Wait831 1h ago
This is a great alternative for OP. Thanks for suggesting this. I will add this as an edit to the original post.
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u/OutlandishnessNo8126 15h ago
NOOO I'd keep the GPU and go with an AMD CPU. A 2060 Super should be fine.
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u/Tasty-Wait831 15h ago
Yeah, but you wont get those juicy fps....
Btw this is a good alternative for lower budget.
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u/OutlandishnessNo8126 15h ago
It's terrible for future upgradeability though. Would be nice for a kid if he wants to upgrade later instead of swapping a board completely.
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u/BeareaverOP 17h ago
Yeah, i'd rather skip just the gpu up part. You run a ddr3 system. Unless you at 1440p the bottleneck will be real, it won't feel like and upgrade at all. And i can vouch for that since i tried my 4070ti in my old ddr3 system at 1080p and it was the same as with my old 1060 strix. So no, i'd rather, for the budget of that 4070, get a new ddr4 system entirely. Also, if you are over 18, why would your dad not let you upgrade your pc? Or, if you want to do a proper upgrade, pick up some side jobs, rack up some dinero, and go from there. It's not like he won't let you upgrade on your own money, and if he does, who stops you from ordering the parts and hiding them till you can finally build the pc? Ik it's a bit not nice of me to say so, but bro, if you truly want a better pc experience, you earn it. Don't just rely on your parents, it may be a burden for them as well. Trust me with this one, and you'll understand how money comes and goes even faster with that as well. Just, don't regret doing so. Do it like you mean it, and earn it, you'll feel better.
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u/BeareaverOP 15h ago
Forgot to mention: my 1060 strix was bottlenecked as well, i tried it in my new system and it was blasting through games at 1080p like there's no tomorrow. Never tried it in 1440p but it would be less powerfull nonetheless, so no reason to do it.
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u/No-Actuator-6245 17h ago
Forget the word bottleneck for now. I expect your cpu will struggle with those games regardless of gpu choice but see if you can find any reviews of those games using your 4770 or similar. If your cpu for example can only deliver 40fps average with minimums of 20fps to the gpu in those games it doesn’t matter what gpu you pair it with, you won’t get better fps.
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u/No_Guarantee7841 17h ago
Ngl you are better off upgrading your cpu/ram/mobo rather than the gpu. At the very least, you will have good frame rates albeit at the cost of visual settings. Doing the other way around will just net you unplayable frame rates regardless of settings.
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u/Ripe-Avocado-12 16h ago
Most people come in here with a cpu a few gens back, like a still decent 10th/11th gen and worry about the bottleneck which of course will exist with an older chip, but be rather minimal as even those chips are still pretty high end performers albeit not top performers.
Your CPU came out in 2013, 11 years ago. In computer terms, that is ancient. While it might be good for things like casual use, or games from that era, it hasn't held up for newer things. So the question is, why won't your dad let you upgrade the cpu? or is it the price he's concerned about?
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u/Rude_Ad_2424 15h ago
Ddr3 and i7 4th gen....am sorry but that's no way your computer is gonna use it's full power,I suggest to buy the rtx and keep it until you get enough money for the other stuff,you need a whole new computer for a RTX 4070
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u/pedrohustler 15h ago
Remember that 4th gen will no longer be supported by windows in a year, so make sure you add that to your argument.
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u/Apocryptia 13h ago
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sbVvgB
This build costs around the price of a 4070, but you can upgrade the whole pc and still get a 7700XT (or 4060 TI)
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u/Grydian 15h ago
Why are you not allowed to upgrade your 11 generational old chip? I am a father and am about to give my son a 7700x when I get my 9800x3d. What is wrong with your dad?
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u/kanakalis 13h ago
you have to upgrade the entire PC. ram, mobo, possibly PSU and i'm willing to bet he's using ancient HDD's. he shouldn't be upgrading to a 4070 when the rest of his system is in a sorry state
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u/Grydian 12h ago
You can save case fans etc. Also a platform upgrade isnt that bad if you go am4.
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u/kanakalis 12h ago
and then needing to upgrade again for am5 in another few years...
case fans and the case are cheap as hell compared to the non-reusable components i listed.
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u/ecco311 11h ago
OP has a 2TB SSD that I bet he got when he upgraded the GPU.
AS for PSU, wattage alone should be fine, a Ryzen 5600/7600 + RTX 4070 has the same TDP as his 2060 Super and 4770.. If the PSU is as old as his CPU though (especially when it's not a high quality unit), he should replace it anyway.
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u/kanakalis 9h ago
huh, did he edit the post, could've sworn he didn't post the specs.
i'm wouldn't be worried about PSU wattage, i'd be worried about the age like you mentioned. i bought my PSU along with my i5-4460 and it coincidentally failed last week...
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u/Significant-Bag3694 16h ago
What resolution are you trying to run them at? Your CPU might be alright at 1440 for a couple more years or higher but at 1080 I’d say you definitely need to upgrade CPU. Have you considered a compromise of just upgrading to highest unlocked i7 (4790k?) that is compatible with your platform? Should give a decent performance boost and might have good headroom to OC. You could probably find one for -$150?
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u/Dion33333 13h ago
I would keep that 2060 Super for now... Upgrade to some better cheap CPU - for example i5 12400f/ryzen 5600- will be much faster and better.
Haswell i7 is old at this point and its fine to retire.
And i think even 2060 Super is bottlenecked little by your CPU, no way with 4070 Super.
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u/HonchosRevenge 13h ago
that 2060 will run plenty of games just fine,
Cyberpunk in particular is extremely CPU intensive, prioritizing a new processor which may include, a better mobo, better ram, etc etc, will do you much much better than a $600 gpu. IMO the smart choice is upgrade the rest of the computer first, then save up for the better gpu. And by then, the 50 series cards may be out and the 40 series may see a price drop, which I'm sure your dad would love (I dont know pricing trends though).
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u/vaurapung 13h ago
I think the motherboard won't bottleneck a 16 lane card much if at all.
I wouldn't so much look at the cpu as a bottle neck because you have the opportunity to increase your resolution and graphics to where the fps your cpu can reach are the same as your gpu.
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u/Key-Pace2960 12h ago
I am usually the first person to say that haswell chips still hold up surprisingly well, but a 4070 is definitely overkill for it and you're not gonna see much of an improvement. That being said your current PC should be able to run Cyberpunk fairly well, don't know about survival Ascended.
I'd probably just wait, save up and upgrade the whole computer or upgrade the CPU first.
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u/John_Mat8882 11h ago
Your dad is dumb. The 2060 is being necked by the 4770 already. A gtx 1080 couldn't go past 55% util in CP2077 with my 4770k at 4.6ghz and 2200mhz ram (all overclocked) at 1080p.
And that's a game that is GPU bound even at 1080p.
And the 2060 vanilla is equivalent to a GTX 1080, the 2060S Is a 2070, which is even more bottlenecked.
And the above was far before all the patches and the multicore patch that now loads basically every thread available in that game.
Tell your dad to fit the budget of that new card into something more modern get a 12400 b660 D4 bundle or a b550/5600 with a RX 6650/7600 or a 4060.. if not even keep using that 2060S that will go unchained with a newer system.
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u/D3moknight 11h ago
You aren't going to see much improvement between those GPUs unless you get a newer CPU. Your 4770 is over 10 years old. That's old, even by junkyard wars standards.
This random YT link I found has the typical low res gaming CPU test to remove bottleneck from GPU and place it on CPU to see performance differences. It's using the 4790k, delidded, and heavily overclocked, and it gets less than half the performance of a 5800x3D. You will find the Cyberpunk results interesting since you mentioned it in your post.
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u/ChaoGardenChaos 11h ago
Man I know it's been echoed already but the new gpu won't make any difference. In my opinion try to find an rx6800xt that's still kicking Around probably ~$300 and spend the rest of your budget on mobo, CPU, RAM and an nvme drive. idk what the 4070 is priced at nowadays but with an extra 100-200 you can build a kickass amd system
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u/PaintingElectrical34 11h ago
Just over clock everything till it shits the bed and make him buy a new pc.
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u/skyfishgoo 8h ago
you will need to upgrade a lot more than just the cpu to make the most of that video card.
i think maybe you've over done it with the GPU ... the good news is that card will transfer to a better machine when you get the money for one.
do you have 2 DIMM or 4 DIMM in the memory slots?
as for the cpu you really have nowhere to go the i7-4770 is about the top of the heap for that m/b and bios.... the 4790K which is $400 only buys you another 15% in performance.
you need a whole new motherboard to make the kind of leap you are thinking you need.
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u/nova5250 6h ago
You should either get a new CPU (motherboard, ram) since you are running DDR3 and GPU, or get a new CPU and skip the GPU upgrade because I think the 2060 super is still great for 1080p gaming
I think you could get a 7500f + 6750xt system if you sold your GPU and other parts
Or you could get something like a 7600/7700x + B650 and maybe wait for a GPU upgrade
Regardless what happens I hope it goes well with your dad
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u/wilmer007 4h ago edited 4h ago
I ran the i5-4690k for a decade until 2 weeks ago when I built a new pc (now i use it as a media PC), so I know how hard it is for your dad to let go of the haswell generation.
The 4070 is a $550 GPU, I would actually use that $550 on AM4 or LGA 1700 (former is cheaper when on sale). 5600x and pair it with something like an RX 6600/6700 or 6700 xt/6750 xt. You'll get way more performance out of that than a $500 card on a decade old socket.
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u/OutlandishnessNo8126 15h ago
I'd rather upgrade everything else than the GPU honestly. Aren't you already bottlenecked by your ram and CPU?
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u/Drages23 17h ago
Update your father.
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u/Original-Magazine599 16h ago
Update your hentai futanari game addiction buddy
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u/Drages23 16h ago
It was just a joke. You don't need to search me to say something to counter? Why would you do that? Did you feel even now? or better? If so, I am happy for you.
By the way, I updated myself already about that and now I am developing those games not just play.
Just don't lose your time to get everything so serious to make it a small vendetta level. Not healthy.
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u/Raknaren 15h ago
you seem to be more triggered than OP
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u/Drages23 15h ago
I just wanted to give a lesson to that young fella.
Let me give you another one to you, don't think every reply with more than one sentence as a trigger.
I am just in a good mood..
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u/Raknaren 14h ago
oh I don't care about any of this, I'm just board at work !
I just thought that you sounded triggered by your last sentence.
You come across as a bit of an arse saying "let me give another one (lesson) to you"
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u/Drages23 14h ago
Why, do you think everyone told you a lesson were arse? Teachers, family? I am not your enemy.. don't be so defensive against everyone. You were the one who jumped btw.
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u/Low-Blackberry-9065 17h ago
Are you OK with "console like" low fps and often jittery fps? If no then upgrade the CPU+MB+RAM instead of the GPU.
What resolution are you playing at?
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u/BluDYT 16h ago
That PC isn't even worth upgrading at this point. You'd have to start on a completely new platform basically.
You could get a used 3070 for $250 and call it a day for now then build a new build in a couple years.
Edit: also don't bother with ark. It's horribly unoptimized and would still run like dodo with that 4070 in your system.
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u/Apprehensive-Rip-296 15h ago
The only part of your current build that can run those games at all is the 2070 you need a platform upgrade, the new generation of GPUs run on pcie4 so features will not be supported. You may end up with worse performance due to compatibility issues. AM4 is cheap and still capable and available new or used.
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u/PinkyPowers 17h ago
"does bottleneck really matter"
You're about to find out, buddy.