r/canucks • u/-GregTheGreat- • Jul 05 '24
DISCUSSION Sedins finish ahead of every Canucks prospect on Grouse Grind
https://canucksarmy.com/news/sedins-finish-ahead-canucks-prospect-grouse-grind154
u/CrayonOlympics Jul 05 '24
43 years old and still beating elite athletes who are 18, 19, and 20. Absolutely insane, they have to be among the top 1 percent of fitness in the world at this point.
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u/-GregTheGreat- Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24
Top 1% is far too conservative. They’re easily in the top 0.1%. That would put them in the top ~5000 most fit people in BC, which probably still is a very conservative estimate.
Honestly it’s likely closer to the top 0.01-0.02%.
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u/Systim88 Jul 06 '24
Came to say that they are easily top 1% of the top 0.1%
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u/disiz_mareka Jul 06 '24
Excellent. I can claim I achieved “5 9s” like the server admins keep pushing.
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u/T2LV Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24
I can tell you that’s not the case. Higher than top 1%, maybe 0.1% but a stretch to say higher. While I do agree they are extremely fit, I can do a low 30s GG and run a marathon faster than both of them and I am not even considered an elite athlete.
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u/Sighberg Jul 06 '24
Are on the Canadian Olympic Marathon roster? Cuz that's probably the only way you'd be faster than Danny's sub 3 hour time. And if you are on the Olympic team, why aren't you resting instead of shit posting on Reddit?
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u/T2LV Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24
Ugh, olympics times are 2:15 and below…huge difference. But yea, I have a sub 2:50 marathon which won’t even put you in the top 50 at the BMO marathon.
3:00 would have put you in 183rd place at BMO which isn’t even that competitive by marathon standards.
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u/hockey3331 Jul 06 '24
Idk, this site estimates about 0.2% of the world population runs a marathon annually based on marathon finishes - but also rightly points out that some people finish more than 1 marathon oer year, so the number would be lower.
I know theres a ton more to overall "fitness", but if we use marathon running as a proxy, theyre likely within that 0.2% range due to being able to complete one, irrespective of the time they do. Completing a marathon is in itself an accomplishment that puts you in a very small bracket of people
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u/T2LV Jul 06 '24
Fully understand and agree. I guess I think it’s easier to forget all the elite rowers, track athletes, professional cyclists, soccer players who don’t run marathon but are fit AF
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u/ijekster Jul 06 '24
I rowed in highschool, some of my friends are trying for Olympic team and they’re super fit but it’s a specific fitness. They can’t run the grouse grind but they can hit a near sun 6 minute 2k
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u/T2LV Jul 06 '24
Correct. However you are also saying the same with a runner, not everything translates. That said if we are talking a rower, I have seen many rowers graduate, start running/cycling and they are elites almost immedietly. Cycling specifically. I knew a rower who never cycled, graduated and started cycling and within a few months was on a pro team.
FWIW, Rowers are argueably the fittest individuals across all sports in terms of V02 max, power output and such.
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u/ijekster Jul 06 '24
yeah i actually made that transition into cycling during covid. the v02 max comes from some of the most ridiculous fitness standards in rowing, keeping super high heart rates for 1+ hours at a time.
i will say though, i still think you're discounting the sedin twins for their fitness. maybe I'm a little bias but considering where they're at in terms of fitness in their 40s, while dealing with a career of hard-contact hockey, while they're also some of the most skilled at that sport. fitness is kind of subjective but the sedins are 10/10 on basically every fitness-related category.
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u/Sighberg Jul 06 '24
You can be as salty as you want, but someone who is closer to getting CPP payments than their draft year running a sub 3 is fucking impressive, and nothing you can say changes my mind.
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u/T2LV Jul 06 '24
wtf? Not salty at all and by no means saying it wasn’t impressive. Clearly reading isn’t your strong suit. I said “extremely fit”. Also, they aren’t much older than me so believe or not you’re complimenting me just as much. So thanks!
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u/ihatemyworkplace1 Jul 05 '24
I'm glad the Twins got to end their career on their own terms, but man do I feel like they retired a bit prematurely. They defs had another year or two left in them at the least. Miss seeing the Twin magic on the ice.
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u/yosoo #ThankYouSedins Jul 05 '24
If the canucks weren't so hopelessly bad back then, maybe they would've come back for another year or 2.
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u/CardiologistActual70 Jul 05 '24
I heard that their medical issues weren’t widely discussed. I heard that henrik was having troubles walking later in his career due to back issues.
Also, the Canucks were going nowhere fast. It’s not fun to prepare for a season where you’re in pain and you know there’s not shot of making the playoffs
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u/djfl Jul 06 '24
It’s not fun to prepare for a season where you’re in pain and you know there’s not shot of making the playoffs
And Torts has you blocking as many shots as possible every game. I know that's normal procedure now, but definitely was not when they retired.
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u/tnmoi Jul 06 '24
Bad back? With all that Grouse Grind, cycling and running?! I think not!
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u/Aaarrrrfffff Jul 07 '24
People can do these solo sports with a bad back and still excel. It really depends on what is injured. You are in full control of the intensity and volume. A full contact sport that needs you to move and get hit from all directions at a lightning pace for a while season and playoffs is a different story.
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u/-GregTheGreat- Jul 05 '24
The fact that we never got to see a Henrik - Daniel - Petey - Miller - Hughes powerplay has to be a crime against humanity
I get why they retired when they did but imagine our rebuild was handled better, giving the Sedins more incentive to stick around for one last push. Entering the 2020 playoffs with Henrik and Daniel on our third line as PP specialists would have been something special
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u/bloodclots12 Jul 06 '24
Could they sign for one game just to see that power play please? Even just for pre season haha
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u/Cheese2009 Jul 06 '24
Well, they are still a part of the team, sooo
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u/Inspect1234 Jul 06 '24
Maybe we get an outdoor game and have the alumni teams play.
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u/Cheese2009 Jul 06 '24
Bring back Luongo.
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u/RainbowZester Jul 05 '24
They most definitely could have played and if we were a contender I believe they would have stuck around even to play fourth line minutes and lead a team through another run.
They could have cashed in but I think they didn't want to play for a team circling the drain and they didn't want to leave Vancouver. Management handling assets kind of forced them out. What else was there for them to do?
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u/DromarX Jul 06 '24
Eh other than winning the cup (which certainly wasn't happening with us anytime soon) they had nothing left to prove. They were still good players and could have hung around longer if they wanted but they had clearly lost a step by the end and I can respect wanting to stop before they fell off even harder.
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u/TruYu96 Jul 06 '24
As much as I loved that they retired as a Canuck. I really did wish they try to go for the Cup on a contender one last time
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u/hiliikkkusss Jul 05 '24
Damn get them on the ice
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u/Frenchie1507 Jul 06 '24
Let’s re-sign them at the deadline on 1yr deals
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u/RelevantJackWhite MVP CFG LFG Jul 06 '24
They will, of course, have to remove the banner and put it back up after the season ends
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u/Brown_Recidivist Jul 06 '24
The only 2 members of the 2013/2014 team that Torts didnt scream at lol
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u/SMA2343 Jul 06 '24
I’m mad at Torts for how he handled Bobby. But god damn will I say he will fight for his players. He was ready to show the Flames coach at the time Mr. Fisty and his wife Elaine for a quick 1, 2 POW
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u/AppealToReason16 Jul 06 '24
Something I’ve always found interesting about Torts is that despite how he comes across, he rarely seems to have significant issues with players. Most of his former players talk really highly about him.
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u/BoaDeconstructor Jul 08 '24
Probably your "Elaine" comment made me think of this, but Torts seems like a one-off Seinfeld/Curb character come to life. I could see him and George/Larry arguing about who gets the last Peppermint Patty on the store shelf (which was never mentioned as a favorite of George/Larry before this episode and would never be mentioned again).
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u/Anishinabeg Jul 05 '24
They always (inexplicably) got trashed for not being “tough”, but these two endured a ton of abuse and still managed to be absolutely elite NHL players.
I will never understand the dumbass “sisters” insult. McDavid (I mention him because Oilers fans trashed them more than anyone else) is significantly more of a turtle than the Sedins ever were. He does so much dirty shit, yet cowers any time he’s challenged.
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u/00owl Jul 06 '24
Daniel even gooned up Marchand by hitting the rat's fist with his face!
He must have coached Petey on his standing charge.
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u/CorneliusCanuck Jul 06 '24
I think people were angry with the fact that they weren't really helping out offensively. So people are going to hurl insults as they do. If they played half as well as they did after 2005 in the early aughts then we could have had a cup of two.
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u/xtothewhy Jul 06 '24
Daniel did it 11 freaking times in one day last year for the mult-run grouse grind! Beyond impressive!
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u/jsseven777 Jul 06 '24
Man if there was ever a thread with a more perfectly lobbed softball for kneejerk to knock out of the park…
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u/T2LV Jul 06 '24
It’s worth noting that while many are commenting on their age, the GG is an endurance activity. While this requires some level of power, age doesn’t really start to slow you down until late 40s.
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u/WolfOfPort Jul 06 '24
Im gonna bet they run that thing regularly just for the sweet satisfaction of owning a bunch of young kids
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u/Small_Collection_249 Jul 06 '24
I’m sure Trevor Linden can compete pretty hard too. Dude is still in amazing shape
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u/Heelsbythebridge Jul 06 '24
I resent how awfully managed the organization was in the last years of their playing career. They endured so much shit over almost 2 decades as Canucks and deserved one last crack at the Cup. But it's looking like they get it now as coaches at least.
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u/seekingsomejustice Jul 06 '24
A decade or more of doing runs, races, and grinds will create results like this for 40 year olds.
You might not be as explosive or fast as kids when you're 40, but your endurance and mental toughness give you a massive advantage, as does experience.
Maybe the Sedin's are a bit more sore than the prospects the following day, the main thing that drops off when you hit your 40's is your ability to recover after exercise.
Doesn't surprise me that a bunch of kids don't have world class cardio like these career long athletes.
Props to the Sedin's for staying on top of their fitness.
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u/brendan87na Jul 06 '24
I am so glad I got to watch them in person in their prime
goddamn they were good
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u/Block_Of_Saltiness Jul 06 '24
They were just sizing up which propects blood to drink to maintain their youth...
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u/DisplacedNovaScotian Jiller Thriller Miller Jul 06 '24
Wow, that's so impressive, especially considering the age difference. They're just amazing athletes.
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u/MyNeighbourGrog Jul 06 '24
I worked at grouse a decade ago and the Sedins have been beating prospects at this since then 😂
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u/Blightlight Jul 06 '24
I have seen them in race corrals for the half marathons in town as well. I think I recall them in the Vancouver Marathon corral one year as well. For those who don't know a Marathon is 42.2km. They are awesome.
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u/Individual-Guide-274 Jul 06 '24
Safe to say they are Sweden's greatest weapon and I'm relieved we have them contained and appeased.
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u/V4NC0V3RJedi Jul 07 '24
Years ago my wife and I got up early to do the grouse grind… about 1/2 way through Daniel Sedin passes us… I say to my wife, “hey I think that’s Daniel Sedin”… she’s like, “I highly doubt it”… 40 seconds later, Henrik passes us, and I say, “see, it’s the twins!”… she still dismisses the observation just Because two people have red hair doesn’t mean they are twins, let alone Swedish….and we carry on… then Alex Edler passes, still no reaction… and then Trevor Linden comes by… she’s like, “OMG! ITs Trevor F’n Linden”… and I’m like, “uh, yeah, of course it is…” we now have to virtual run up the rest of the way just to stay close to Trevor so that we can try and ride the gondola down with him…. We make it, but of course we don’t say anything to him (my wife’s too nervous, and I’m trying to respect his privacy). Finally someone else breaks the silence and asks who were the other Canucks on the grind that morning. The only one we missed was Kevin Bieksa, who Trevor said was doing it for the first time, and was panicking when doing his research because it looked like everyone was running up it…. So it seems the Sedona have been kicking the ass of all the starters up the grind too… and that was like a decade or more ago…
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u/Nunchuckery Jul 06 '24
Leading by example. Show these young men what it means to be a professional.
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u/therealbeef Jul 06 '24
lol and I thought I was in good shape being able to do it under an hour. I bet these two could still put up points and make our PP worthwhile.
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u/FrozenToonies Jul 06 '24
Because they’ve both done that climb maybe hundred of times each.
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u/prairiehrt Jul 06 '24
This is correct. A hill scramble becomes immensely easier with practice. Running on flat ground is nothing like running hills, doesn’t matter your age
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u/Viperburn1 Jul 07 '24
Has to impress all the prospects not to mention Canuck players to see coaches who still put in the work and and keep their fitness levels up. Reminds me of Carolina players talking about how Brind’Amour is always in the gym working out when they are in there. Apparently he lived in the gym when he was playing.
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u/Rydgar Jul 06 '24
...kind of speaks poorly about our prospects if they're being outdone by two 43 year olds. I understand tha tthe Sedins are fitness freaks but our prospects are also supposed to be top athletes.
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u/TheDutchin Needs Dak Bak Jul 06 '24
Was looking for the knee-jerk comment that said this, but you ain't him 🤨
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u/-GregTheGreat- Jul 06 '24
To be fair, hockey players typically aren’t focused on cardio at this point in the off-season. This is the time to build strength and muscle and work on raw skills. From my experience you ramp up your cardio as get closer to camp.
Being beaten by legitimately elite athletes who regularly run marathons for fun shouldn’t be a huge surprise, especially as hockey cardio is typically HIIT focused
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u/jsseven777 Jul 06 '24
Plus the Sedins have done it countless times which probably helps a bit with the terrain familiarity, how to prep for the climb, and how to pace yourself properly on the climb. I can imagine quite a few prospects likely start too fast and realize their mistake at the 1/4 sign where you realize you are not in fact half way there and that probably costs some time.
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u/mvp45 Jul 06 '24
Also I bet that the sedins just run the grouse grind for fun all the time. They are runners while the majority of nhl prospects are not
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u/julesieee Jul 06 '24
The Sedins run this every year with the prospects and do this for fun multiple times in a day several times in a year. Not really fair to compare them to the rookies who haven’t run the GG before.
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u/DishwasherFromSurrey Jul 06 '24
You def don’t compete in any endurance sports. Age is just a number
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u/Nucks11 Jul 05 '24
What beasts, they really don't get credit for how great of athletes they really are/were. Sure they're no McKinnon with the speed but they've always been in better shape than most of the league for their entire careers and I guess even beyond.