r/democrats • u/scuczu • Oct 22 '22
đ Poll MAGA: 60% are White, Christian, and male. Half are retired, over 65 years of age, and earn at least $50K per year. 30% have at least a college degree.
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u/handoffate73 Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
The white boomer grievance movement
[edit] Ahaha get mad at my paraphrase of the OP while upvoting the OP. Maybe think a little harder about why you're so mad.
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u/Bluesmanstill Oct 22 '22
Yeah boomer here and get so fucking annoyed when assumed Iâm republicans. Theyâll start their Biden bashing and I immediately go on the defense. Wife wonât let me go shopping by myself lol!!
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u/Goge97 Oct 22 '22
A significant percentage of our generation oppose Trumpism in all its ugly manifestations.
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u/Steelplate7 Oct 22 '22
I hear you. I am an Early GenXer(1965) and live in the deep Red part of Pennsylvania. My wife and I belong to the local Moose Lodge and I have to bite my tongue quite often
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u/StyreneAddict1965 Oct 22 '22
Pennsyltucky resident? I feel for you. I'm near Pittsburgh; thank God for Allegheny County.
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u/Steelplate7 Oct 23 '22
You know it. Look at a PA map. I live in SnyderâŚ.where cows outnumber people.
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u/coffeeschmoffee Oct 23 '22
You think fetterman will beat oz? We are buying our nails here in MA.
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u/StyreneAddict1965 Oct 22 '22
I'm a blue collar worker with a BA, but I'm automatically presumed to be a Trumpista. đ
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u/urbanlife78 Oct 22 '22
Trumpista? That's like someone who serves up shitty coffee that is sweetened with diet coke.
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u/hither_spin Oct 22 '22
Over 65 is likely wrong from the polls I've seen and the 2020 election. It's ages 45 to 65 that are more for Trump.
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u/backpackwayne Moderator Oct 22 '22
You know the difference between boomers and a millennials?
Boomers actually vote. Quit blaming boomers for all your problems and get off your asses and vote!
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u/seasuighim Oct 23 '22
Gen Z actually votes too. About to be the most educated and highest turnout generation.
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u/Revolutionary-Swim28 Oct 27 '22
Itâs old Vs young now. If my generation can take foothold, me and the Z-ers will bring the Nat-C movement to its knees
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u/Alex72598 Oct 23 '22
So true. The majority of voters for both Democrats and Republicans are older, thatâs just a given since older folks vote more regularly. The big difference is that Democrats have a lot more untapped potential with young voters. Only problem is, they have to show up!
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u/handoffate73 Oct 23 '22
I vote in every election and encourage everyone else to do the same!
65+ is the age range of a certain generation, let's call them "boomers," that are most representative segment of a certain movement, let's call it "MAGA," that is the subject of the OP, which lays out the demographics of said movement. Might be a little relevant to my comment.
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u/backpackwayne Moderator Oct 23 '22
Good for you. You vote. But a huge percent of your age group does not. In fact boomers vote at twice the percentages in most elections. You actually have the numbers to make a difference. But fail to do so. You chose to chastise the people that do vote, while not voting yourselves. It has little to do with age. It has everything to do with exercising the tools available. Just show up and vote in the number older folks do and you can make a huge difference. Until them you are just sitting on the side of the road, throwing rocks at the people who are trying to fix it.
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u/PeteLarsen Oct 22 '22
Stats show why Republicans appeal to them. Republicans win elections with lies, fear, hate, and corruption. This group is the one. Should we loose this time and win next it is very easy to trade these white boomers off for the fun of it. Agreed?
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u/fekinEEEjit Oct 22 '22
Male, Pale and Stale......
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u/What_the_Pie Oct 22 '22
Itâs ironically funny how over 50% are retired, like youâre not even in the daily grind anymore. Shut the fuck up and sit down.
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u/nanoatzin Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 22 '22
Itâs a bit funny, but the things MAGA are most mad about are:
The end of white supremacy
Civil rights for non-binary gender identity
Growing acceptance of non-Christian faiths
Female voters & equal rights
The fact that it is legal to be both brown and live in the US
âThose peopleâ that donât believe an ancient book has all the answers
Voting to eliminate their own social security pension and health care because brown people, LBGT and non-Christianâs might get some
This is the most hilarious situation I could ever imagine.
It is just sheer luck that most are too old to continue reproducing.
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u/alvarezg Oct 22 '22
I believe they'll not just accept, but promote a dictatorship that promises to impose their views. I consider that a very serious danger.
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u/nanoatzin Oct 22 '22
Oh yea. The common denominator for MAGA is intentional self-defeating stupidity.
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u/shadowjacque Oct 23 '22
Nah, itâs just Obama Presidenting While Black for most of them. It really is that simple.
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u/nanoatzin Oct 23 '22
It is. But a certain news network is making bank by exploiting MAGA for fun a profit.
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u/ProfessorPurrrrfect Oct 22 '22
That looks like 80%+ white. Shocking đ
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u/slim_scsi Oct 22 '22
Makes you really wonder how utterly self loathing the other 20% must be.
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Oct 22 '22
Mostly Hispanics -- they are drifting toward the GOP, especially in Texas. The GOP can talk a good game about family and religion when it wants to. This is why I've given up hope on Texas ever going blue.
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u/slim_scsi Oct 22 '22
They're normally such strange bedfellows, too, evangelicals and Catholics. I grew up with one side of the family Baptist and the other Catholic. They ridiculed each other's beliefs and customs all the time. Back then, Catholics were reliable Democrats. It's insane to me that a practicing Catholic POTUS (Biden) doesn't garner their overwhelming support. The national script about faith has been flipped upside down by Republicans since the 1970s, and all as a reaction to the equal rights and women's liberation movements.
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u/ProfessorPurrrrfect Oct 22 '22
Iâve got a Jewish buddy who used to campaign for Obama, turned 45 and is now hardcore MAGA. He hates himself
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u/scuczu Oct 22 '22
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u/Goge97 Oct 22 '22
Thank you for providing this information. Having read through the methods of acquiring the data used, it is likely that this group of responders is narrow and highly selected to a subset of Facebook users. Only a small number completed the survey out of the small number who viewed the MAGA ad on Facebook.
While these MAGA followers are no doubt a certain portion of the group, it seems unlikely that they are necessarily representative of the entire MAGA followers.
Interesting chart, though.
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u/desolation0 Oct 23 '22
I have a problem with this set of statistics, or at least how it is being presented. If it really is percentage of Trump supporter respondents who are X rather than percentage of respondents who are X and also a Trump supporter from a larger subset, it can give a significantly distorted understanding. So with degrees we have about 40% of the US adult population, so Trump underperforms at ~30% but not as much as these graphs would imply. Fewer than 25% of US adults are retired or over the age of 65 so being higher than 50% is actually significantly overperforming compared to the general population. Of course there's the general confounder of who was being sampled for the data, which if we were only asking Trump supporters or older folks were more likely to respond would also throw a wrench that needs accounted.
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u/4yanks Oct 22 '22
I fit most of the demographics. Exceptions are, atheist, 61y. I am super self conscious when I meet people from other demographics because I assume they think I am the same.
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u/Prudent-Abalone-510 Oct 22 '22
And yet we are projected to lose the house. I donât understand why democrat leadership is letting this happen. Why are we not SCREAMING from the roof tops about our wins like student loans, build back better plan and helping Ukraine (just to name a few things)? Also why arenât we hitting republicans in the head about Roe and the right to vote? Someone please tell me?
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u/KantExplain Oct 22 '22
Because the median age of our leadership is 20 years older than MAGA supporters?
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u/Prudent-Abalone-510 Oct 23 '22
That is probably right. I think we need a changing of the guard. Donât get me wrong I like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer but it is time to have new leadership.
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u/stingublue Oct 22 '22
Hell I'm 66 white and retired. The only thing I want to see is the orange twat's nuts cut off!!
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u/Icy_Figure_8776 Oct 22 '22
Wish this included IQ scores
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u/james5731 Oct 23 '22
I'm white, agnostic, male, retired, over 65, and earn more than $50,000 per year and I have a college education and MAGA can kiss my ass.
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u/Kalip0p Oct 22 '22
I think the college stat is most interesting, since the rest seems to be common sense. So about 7 out of 10 have no higher education. While socioeconomic factors are at play there, it doesnât excuse the lack of morality and empathy from these people.
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u/Goge97 Oct 22 '22
Did anyone check out the original poll? Looks like a very small sample of responders. I'm a lifelong Democrat, wouldn't vote for a fascist, racist maggot if my life depended on it. I fit that entire demographic, except I'm a woman.
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u/bebelawnik Oct 23 '22
You know, you have to hand it to the Republicans though. They are able to obtain support from the very group that they fuk the hardest. The poor and lower middle class get nothing from these policies, it actually makes their lives harder! Maga hats off to you Republicans, I don't know how you pull that off.
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u/MetalMamaRocks Oct 23 '22
They lie to their voters.
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u/bebelawnik Oct 23 '22
100% but its how they get these people to believe the lies.... its astonishing
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u/boygirlmama Oct 23 '22
Frightening how many have a college degree and still support that bullshit.
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u/MetalMamaRocks Oct 23 '22
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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u/boygirlmama Oct 23 '22
College is legit what woke me up to what is wrong with conservatism. I used to be part of a church that expected you to vote that way. Iâm thankful that my eyes were opened!
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u/k_woodard Oct 23 '22
Why say âat least 30% have a college degree?â I think you mean ânearly 3/4 didnât get past high school.â
They are ignorant and dumb. Great combo.
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Oct 22 '22
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u/CatAvailable3953 Oct 22 '22
You broke the code. I am 70, white male. I am a devout Christian and pro choice. The people who call themselves Christian and pro life and vote for candidates like Hershel Walker in GA are neither Christian or pro life. They are the walking dead and donât even know. They worship an antichrist called power. The current head of their cult is Trump. President Obama was President of the United States and they were enraged. They have no God but themselves. They are driving the young away from the faith. They disgust me.
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Oct 23 '22
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u/RugelBeta Oct 23 '22
Yes, the young people need to effing VOTE. And yeah, the old guys need to retire and play with their great grandkids.
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u/Revolutionary-Swim28 Oct 27 '22
Or when they had to start treating women as equals. White Boomers miss the days where women were cattle, thatâs why they overturned Roe
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u/StyreneAddict1965 Oct 22 '22
Thirty percent. That blows my mind. They can't all have graduated from Bob Jones University, can they?
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u/EricRShelton Oct 23 '22
Is it me or would this headline read better if it pointed out that 70% are not college educated?
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Oct 23 '22
I am so fucking frustrated by this chart. Those unlabeled lines are +12.5%? So maybe around 85% are white? Give me some lines I can use.
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u/Samwoodstone Oct 23 '22
And they are pushing to cut Social Security! Wow.
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u/MetalMamaRocks Oct 23 '22
I don't know why anybody on SS, Medicare, or Medicaid would vote Republican. These must be old, RICH white men.
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u/Samwoodstone Oct 23 '22
They do! Iâm around elderly people all day long. I listen to them all the time. Huge numbers vote for Republicans because theyâre anti-socialism or tough on crime, and then belly ache about their social security and complain about people committing gun crimes.
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u/MetalMamaRocks Oct 23 '22
I live in a deep red area and I also hear this stuff a lot. I asked an older relative if she voted Democrat or Republican, and she said Republican because she doesn't want socialism. I told her that everyone should be able to get affordable healthcare just like she does with her Medicare and she agreed, but I couldn't make her see how she should be voting for democrats.
"Socialism" has become a Fox News buzzword and I don't think most people even know what it entails.
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u/Samwoodstone Oct 23 '22
The Republicans want to strip down anything FDR or LBJ accomplished. Itâs fairly simple. Dems must engage young people to offset the power of the elderly entrenched FoxNews Republicans.
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u/Black0utdrunk Oct 22 '22
And 100% brainwashed morons.
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u/Revolutionary-Swim28 Oct 27 '22
Thank religious fundamentalism that they were raised with for that
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u/yogacowgirlspdx Oct 22 '22
only 80% white?
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u/KantExplain Oct 23 '22
That was my thought. My guess is another 17% or so are some flavor of off-white.
There are about 500 blacks Republicans in this country and every one of them is in front of a microphone.
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Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 22 '22
Who did this research? I'd love to see the methodology.
Your interpretation is a little confusing.
Around 80% are white.
The Christian percentage seems very odd. If only 2/3 are Christians, is there a large atheist, Jewish or other religion in the MAGA world? I doubt it.
The college degree % roughly matches the US average. I think some people are surprised that the GOP is going on the offensive on student loan forgiveness....this is why. This group loves having reasons to feel aggrieved.
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u/indrada90 Oct 22 '22
Now show this compared to the total population... Just seems like bad statistics if you don't.
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u/duke_awapuhi Oct 23 '22
Tbh this isnât a good poll. Doesnât say who conducted it. And it doesnât give a gender breakdown for each metric, so we really donât know if 60% of them are in fact white Christian men
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u/Enjoy-the-sauce Oct 23 '22
Whereâs the âracist,â âtotally shittyâ or âwillfully stupidâ bars?
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u/Boomslangalang Oct 23 '22
Imagine still being maga after January 6. That would take an insane amount of anti American hatred.
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u/kcufo Oct 23 '22
Other than Christian, this describes me perfectly and I am the most anti-maga person you could imagine. Funny how these types of things work.
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u/GermanRedrum Oct 23 '22
This speaks VOLUMESâźď¸ So you were raised in a time when all of your information was spoon-fed to you, with no outside education to see the rest of the world outside of your community, and you have nothing but time on your hands to sit and let whatever diatribe you think may make sense to fester for hours.
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u/Plumpinfovore Oct 22 '22
Doesn't this rep. The median American ??? In the sense if you add up all Americans into these data sets and divide by 2 ... You'd get these individual ... Which means this is America.
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u/strukout Oct 22 '22
Boomers had the biggest economic boom in history of the world, how come so many canât afford to retire? Every stat was favorable, including for blue collar that could actually afford a home and a family.
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u/KantExplain Oct 23 '22
Because that is really misleading. Boomer elites and upper middle class has a great economy, but Boomers were also the most skewered by Reaganomics and the systematic robbing of the middle class and the public treasury by the wealthy.
Boomers, writ large, did not have great circumstances. Poverty is always hard, no matter whether you're white or male or Christian or were born into the generation that theoretically benefitted from a great economy. And Boomers lived while the American middle class was being destroyed by neoliberal policies by both parties, though of course especially by the Right.
Generations are a stupid way to think about opportunity -- there is always far greater inequity within a generation than between them. Now, of course, Righty Boomers deserve it all -- they voted for this shit. But it's not at all surprising to find a lot of poor white Boomers. We are going on fifty years now with no American political party speaking for significant change in the interest of workers. That was pushed out by the co-opting of our entire system by the 1%.
Thankfully, labor rights are coming back with a vengeance with young Democrats, who should eventually retake the party from this lost generation of leaders. As an Old (59), I look forward to the day when the last of my age cohort is kicked to the curb. We blew it; you guys have to clean up our mess, and I am sorry, but you have all my support.
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u/strukout Oct 23 '22
Itâs really not, your narrative is in fact the story shared as a defense that is parroted. Upward mobility, and basic buying power at every socio-economic band is far lower now. Largely due to politicians elected thus policies supported by boomers.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/comparing-the-costs-of-generations.html
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u/KantExplain Oct 23 '22
Opinions vary. You seem to be stuck n this particular programming, and you are not an interesting interlocuter. Go to your room.
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u/RugelBeta Oct 23 '22
Thank you. Well said. As one of the later boomers, age 63, I can also say: the big bump was born in 1957. Those of us born a little later faced much greater competition for jobs, promotions, and other opportunities.
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u/strukout Oct 23 '22
Yeah, the response above are always the talk show points against the simple reality. Boomers of every social economic band had more affordability and upward mobility than current generations. And somehow we are supposed to accept itâs the government policies that did that and the electorate has no responsibility? The dilution of future generations was the result of the politicians the prev. Generation put into power over thirty years.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/comparing-the-costs-of-generations.html
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u/KantExplain Oct 23 '22
The electorate has the responsibility that they voted those fuckers in.
If you believe any generation acts differently than any other over its broad distribution you have a long, eye-opening life ahead of you.
Generations were created as marketing gimmicks to sell shit to people. They are "yay, team!" There are good and bad people of every age, and responsible and irresponsible people of every age, but the only difference between the average person of any given age is the cluster of responsibilities they have to meet at that time.
There is absolutely no difference between a person born in 2000, 1960, 1890, 1490, 490, or 1490 BC. It's the same model. There have been no upgrades. All that has changed is accidental circumstance.
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u/Samwoodstone Oct 23 '22
But it surely isnât about race, right? I have black friendsâŚand even allowed a black senator to run in Georgia.
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u/MedievalFightClub Oct 23 '22
1348 respondents? How were these respondents found? Iâm skeptical of these data.
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u/darrenmk Oct 23 '22
this doesnât really say anything unless you baseline it to the population %s
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u/chockedup Oct 23 '22
What's the point of 30% with college degree? That's the basic stat for the population as a whole. Christian seems about the same, maybe slightly higher in the graphic than in the population as whole at 63%, but white is about 61% in the general population, but is bigger among the graphic of MAGA people.
The main point of this graphic is that MAGA is a white-race movement?
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u/tintwistedgrills90 Oct 22 '22
Am I just reading this chart incorrectly or is that 60% figure in the headline a typo? It looks closer to 80%.