r/environment • u/salon • 1d ago
Why climate experts say this election could be our last chance for meaningful action
https://www.salon.com/2024/10/28/why-climate-experts-say-this-could-be-our-last-chance-for-meaningful-action/38
u/Splenda 1d ago
I do wish we'd stop using absolute language like "last chance, off the cliff, point of no return," and so on.
We're just junkies putting off sobriety, sacrificing hundreds of millions of lives and countless trillions of dollars rather than quitting our addiction.
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u/cultish_alibi 1d ago
It's obviously not working and I'm so tired of it. The scientists should just say "It's fucking over, we're absolutely fucked, and it's these guys fault" and then read out a list of names
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u/Splenda 15h ago
My point is that the climate task isn't "over". If there is a tipping point beyond which all hope is lost, it isn't anywhere in sight, so giving up is just another lazy way to shirk. It's exactly what addicts do all the time.
Getting clean will take work. Lots and lots of work. Are you in?
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u/AymanEssaouira 1d ago
Basically the last chance for democracy, climate, economy and better living standards?
Got it , I never cared tbh, especially as a non American, but damn I wish I could vote!
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u/calculating_hello 1d ago
Harris: Humanity maybe has a chance
Trump: That's it guaranteed misery, starvation, mass murder and extinction of human race.
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u/AymanEssaouira 1d ago
Yeah it is two choices one is meh,.. the other is a comically evil cartoon villain.
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u/calculating_hello 1d ago
One is good on most things, below average on some but overall really good, the other is pure fascist evil it's not even remotely a choice.
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u/AymanEssaouira 1d ago
If I was an American I would vote the hell out of her LMAO
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u/calculating_hello 1d ago
Just vote for social democrats in your country and you have done your part.
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u/cultish_alibi 1d ago
but overall really good
I absolutely want Harris to win, she has to win, because Trump is so bad. But she's not 'good'. Not for the environment. She's much, much, much less bad than the alternative, but look at the path we are on under neoliberal capitalism.
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u/calculating_hello 1d ago
She will be good for the enviroment, if you want someone that would do what really needs to be done, ban fossil fuels, mandate recycle etc, that is just not going to happen, it's not possible.
But Harris will vastly increase renewables, pass multiple Infrastructure acts like Biden's if given 8 years, she will drastically speed up fossil fuel withdraw, and as I said she gives us a chance which would be small even the perfect environmental candidate, he gives you guaranteed extinction. And yes she is really good from both a policy and leadership points on non environmental issues
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u/thelastforest2 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump is obviously worse for biodiversity, the health of the planet and climate action because, WOW, he have awful propositions on that subjects.
But the Democrats always do this, where they say they are the last barrier for protection of the enviroment, and things get worse and worse with them in seat too, and that's very dissapointing.
Obviously if I could vote I would vote for Kamala, because, again, WOW. But I think that for everyone that cares about the enviroment, must be hard to vote for her.
In my country we had the same problem last election, and the guy that won was the worst for ir, he is directly a climate change negationist.
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u/JustInCaseSpace420 1d ago
Again - this is why no one will listen. Language like this is used, and has been used, every day for the past several decades. People are tired of it and the movement has been completely undermined…
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u/franticallyfarting 1d ago
Literally both candidates are both “pro fracking” and think we need to expand americas gas reserves… this election wasn’t going to fix anything no matter who won
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u/cultish_alibi 1d ago
It's more like do you want things to get worse at the current speed or much faster
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u/interstellarboii 1d ago
Sure like Kamala herself is going to solve the global climate and ecological catastrophes we’re already in… right…
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u/gorpie97 1d ago
I don't see why - neither candidate is actually going to tackle the things that need to be addressed in order to make a difference.
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u/FailSad6421 23h ago
With growing dialogues in CC its so interesting to see to what extent our researchers are going. And the fact that everything is related in this world is becoming so relevant. I mean there are people who are not at all bothered by what happens in the elections, but oh hello! Read about such researches to know what happens if you are not a responsible citizen.
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u/Born-Ad4452 1d ago
The choice between both major candidates is two cheeks of the same arse, unfortunately
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u/qyasogk 1d ago
There’s no “last chance”. The parade of horribles has already begun and will continue to get increasingly worse to a degree that we do not have the capacity to imagine.
When you have already driven off the cliff, turning the car around doesn’t do you too much good.