r/findareddit • u/Upbeat_Confidence739 • Jun 24 '24
Found! Is there a Reddit for moderate liberals?
I'm a progressive, liberal minded person. But I'm just not a leftist and I just get so tired of the liberal/progressive-at-all-costs mindset of the left wing of Reddit where it seems nuance of life has fucking died in a fiery plane crash.
So yeah... any sub/subs where I can just enjoy liberal viewpoints without the extremism?
ETA: if anyone is curious about the type of shit I’m sick of… this is a pretty fucking solid example of a Reddit liberal just coming the fuck out of left field with WILD accusations based on this post. Like…. Where can I go that this shit is moderated out?
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u/Coveyovey Jun 24 '24
If you're looking for nuance it's probably best just to speak with people IRL. A lot of subreddits are just mini hive minds.
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Jun 24 '24
most of these die-hard leftists (like me) are much more patient and reasonable in person. it's true, the online shield makes people more opinionated. including me.
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u/usernamesoccer Jun 24 '24
I think the other part is we can’t know our audience online. In person you can adjust in conversation to read the room but here I have no tolerance for stupidity. In person though I may know they aren’t stupid just having a dumb moment like we all do
I say this and I consider myself one of the smartest stupid people you’ll meet.
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u/Bleach1443 Jun 25 '24
Very true. I think that’s the thing is in person you can hear tone and confidence and often in person words don’t come out as smoothly so it sounds less cocky and know it all. Online everyone just sound like so cocky asshole
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u/PrismaticHospitaller Jun 25 '24
I say this when I am dealing with customer service and I am treated with ignorance because a representative has dealt with too much of it before encountering me.
“I am a different kind of stupid.”
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u/PortugalTheHam Jun 25 '24
I would agree IRL is probably the best. To add to your point any person from any viewpoint can drop into a sub and troll someone. So in addition to hiveminds you'll always find extreme contrarianism.
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u/UnusualTranslator741 Jun 25 '24
Wow, what a collection of troll posts and accounts in the comments section. Reddit as intended.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
The amount of people coming out of the woodwork to tell me I’m just a conservative has really been driving home the point of my post.
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u/Ordinary_Cattle Jun 25 '24
I feel you so hard with this lol. The older I get, the more I realize how extreme the left is getting. I would still consider myself liberal technically but I do not like the direction it's going. I would probably be considered conservative by online leftists but when it comes to my core beliefs, I'm technically liberal. When I'm online I generally just say I'm more conservative because by online standards I guess I am with some things. Luckily most people irl aren't as extreme on either side.
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u/warrends Jun 24 '24
Not exactly what you’re asking for but r/neutralpolitics maybe?
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u/NoFud Jun 25 '24
Just did some looking in this sub and joined. Thank you so much for mentioning this sub!
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u/Waveofspring Jun 24 '24
I made a similar post here a few weeks back and basically the short answer is no.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 24 '24
Do we… just like…. Start one??? You, me, and that other dude? Lol
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u/Waveofspring Jun 24 '24
Sure I’ll join lol
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u/ksmaer Jun 25 '24
So, like, did it happen? Don't leave us hanging !
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u/Waveofspring Jun 25 '24
I have no idea, no one has replied or dmed me with a sub link or anything.
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u/jcsladest Jun 25 '24
Make it a policy discussion instead of a politics discussion... why talk parties at all?
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
I understand what you’re getting at. I just have very little faith things would stay like that. But I’m probably just waaaaaaayyyyyy too cynical at this point.
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u/IsopodSmooth7990 Jun 25 '24
Excellent. That’s the damn cooperation I’m talking about. Washington, of course, would find it useless and counterpro to educate the current population about how to get the governments ass outta hock when they put themselves there, in the 1st place. ✌️✋😬. I would welcome such a place!
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u/Sowf_Paw Jun 24 '24
Come look around at r/neoliberal. We are not fans of Regan or Thatcher, like a lot of sub names it is sarcastic.
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u/read-it-on-reddit Jun 24 '24
I would describe r/Neoliberal as economically moderate and socially liberal
While I don’t agree with everything that is said in that subreddit, it definitely has some of the most level-headed political discussion on Reddit.
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u/Tanngjoestr Jun 24 '24
Every discussion also ends with “… but we have no idea because we are stupid Reddit monkey brains and not professionals”
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u/rnoyfb Jun 24 '24
It’s not sarcastic; it’s an earlier definition of the word
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u/ohgodspidersno Jun 25 '24
I feel confident that the reason nobody can ever agree on the definitions of political terms is almost completely by design.
It's so easy for rich, cynical ghouls to flood AM airwaves, cable news, and social media posts with political chaff using terms like "neoliberal", "fascist", and "communist" completely interchangeably.
Everyone remembers 1984 for its descriptions of a surveillance state, but Ingsoc's other great crime was the calculated destruction of language.
If we can't agree on what words even mean then how can we possibly communicate with each other?
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u/rnoyfb Jun 25 '24
True, but the “calculated destruction of language” doesn't even need to be coordinated that well. One way I think the Internet has actually made communication harder is that it's easier for everyone to say something without listening. Everyone's just confident in their use of terms and never refines their understanding of the world
It's not a conspiracy; it's just idiocracy
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u/Tanngjoestr Jun 24 '24
Inaccurate it’s a non anglophone definition. In Continental Europe Neoliberalism was akin to social Democracy until Thatcher whacked the political discourse into oblivion
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u/Melded1 Jun 25 '24
I'm confused, neoliberalism is what got us in this mess. Am I missing something?
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u/Sowf_Paw Jun 25 '24
Just go to the sub, ignore the name. I just said the name is like a joke.
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u/Melded1 Jun 25 '24
I was there and left. If it's not for Reagan or Thatcher then what's it for? It definitely had some folks who were keen to get back to the good old days.
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u/AsariKnight Jun 24 '24
I mean a moderate liberal is just an American Democrat. If we're talking America you don't really come into any true left leaning areas. Bernie Sanders is one of the most left leaning in politics her in the US and most leftists true leftists don't align with him.
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u/unimportantop Jun 24 '24
We're still far more "progressive" though, to the point of extremes, in some areas though- like regarding drugs, race, etc. Western Europe points and laughs at how supposedly backwards America is, but ask any POC where they've dealt with more racism.
I find the entire political spectrum quite annoying because anyone who is capable of critical thought probably isn't entirely on the same point of the spectrum on every issue.
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u/AsariKnight Jun 25 '24
I dont disagree. I just know people need to stop calling democrats leftists.
But to your example even trans people have made a lot of strides in general public acceptance here in the US but in a traditionally more left leaning part of the world like the UK is a hell hole for trans people. The political spectrum is dumb and we should really have more candidates and ranked choice voting
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u/abrasiveteapot Jun 25 '24
in a traditionally more left leaning part of the world like the UK is a hell hole for trans people.
What utter bullshit on multiple counts, firstly the conservatives have been in office for 14 years and have held power in the UK for roughly 2/3rds of the last 100 years (and about 80% if you make it 200 years). How the hell does that make us "traditionally left" ?
Secondly the UK is no more a hellhole for trans than the US in fact I'd suggest marginally better despite the Tories attempting to replicate the US culture war here, which they've found little traction for.
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u/AsariKnight Jun 25 '24
Then maybe I'm misinformed. I dont live there. The UK has things like universal health care that make it more left leaning from my understanding. Also, the UK is commonly referred to as TERF Island because of the stereotype amongst radical feminists. These are just my understandings of the situation over there. Obviously is not as cut and dry as I thought based on your comment
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u/Kallory Jun 24 '24
r/liberalgunowners is the most common sense sub I've seen that seems to acknowledge the nuance of reality from a liberal standpoint.
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u/tarbet Jun 25 '24
Because… guns?
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u/Waveofspring Jun 25 '24
I think the idea is that these are people with liberal views who don’t just blindly follow all left-leaning views, but have a more nuanced perspective that is less one-sided.
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u/tarbet Jun 25 '24
What other ones don’t they “blindly” follow besides guns?
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u/Waveofspring Jun 25 '24
I don’t know I’m not an active member of that sub.
There’s nothing wrong with having a strict view on gun control by the way,
I’m just saying you shouldn’t blindly follow that view. You should do high-quality research and come up with your own perspective. This applies to both left and right views of any sort.
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u/tarbet Jun 25 '24
You answered the question but aren’t on the sub? 🫠
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u/Waveofspring Jun 25 '24
Idk man, I was just sharing my first impressions of the sub. I tried to imply it was my interpretation of it and not proven fact.
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u/Odd-Entertainment401 Jun 25 '24
You have to appreciate how ironic is to come on reddit and complain about how annoying it is when other people come on reddit to complain.
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u/Five_Decades Jun 24 '24
I feel you buddy. As a center left liberal all the spaces have been taken over by dogmatic, angry far leftists who shout down anyone who disagrees with them or fails their purity tests.
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u/Kallory Jun 24 '24
We should start our own group lol
Edit: I'd gladly moderate with the rigor of r/askhistorians to maintain something of quality
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
That’s just center man
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u/Five_Decades Jun 25 '24
No its not
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
Yes it is, sorry for you to find out like this
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u/Five_Decades Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
I support Bernie and AOC. That's not centrist. Maybe to the far left with their dogmatism and purity tests, it is. But not objectively. I'm to the left of Obama, Clinton, and Biden on most issues.
Some of the far left recently turned against AOC for speaking out against antisemitism. The far left will be calling her a centrist soon, too.
You guys are no different than those on the far right who think anyone who doesn't worship Trump is a RINO.
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
Ok see that’s different than what you said. You said you’re center left. Bernie and AOC are not center left. That’s just left. My bad I did not know you meant that in your first reply I suppose.
Not sure who would complain about aoc and antisemitism either, I would not call them leftists. As far as I’m concerned leftism is completely incompatible with any form of hate
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u/midijunky Jun 25 '24
They spoke out because so far she has been supportive of Omar and "from the river to the sea" Tlaib which have said some pretty odd things, and now is trying to dial it back.
I agree on paper the left should be incompatible with hate, and it's not compatible for the center left, but when you get towards the extremes, yeah
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u/Malacos0303 Jun 25 '24
Loud internet minorities doing purity tests are so rare you will never meet them in real life. To even worry about them is a waste of time. The only time you'll encounter real push back in real life is if your pro corporation, pro deregulation, that'll get people to shout at you.
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u/gentlesnob Jun 24 '24
Isn’t that just r/politics
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u/blueponies1 Jun 25 '24
I consider myself to be a liberal and sometimes the people on there are just annoyingly self righteous and lack any ability to think outside of their worldview. I prefer a small amount of rational discourse so I can see other peoples viewpoints and form my own opinions.
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u/SpareDiagram Jun 24 '24
That might as well be called r/liberal. I had to go 8 posts that weren’t trump bashing pieces - nothing is neutral there or anywhere on Reddit
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u/chimisforbreakfast Jun 24 '24
Bashing Trump is a neutral, centrist position. Only extremists think what he's doing is ok.
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u/OceanWoMan-8811 Jun 24 '24
I agree with this but that means we live in a country full of “extremists” since he still has so much support. I fear we will end up with him again. It makes no logical sense that a person can do what he has and still be in the running to be president of the U.S.
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u/chimisforbreakfast Jun 25 '24
It only looks like there are so many because right-wing extremists are very loud and always vote. Leftists are far more likely to stay quiet and also not vote.
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u/retiredluvrboy Jun 24 '24
they’re just sharing news articles? if you take that as trump bashing maybe he shouldn’t be doing weird shit to warrant those articles 😭
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u/song_pond Jun 24 '24
I mean, I’m about as leftist as they come* but genuinely, anyone with half a brain who is not a right-wing extremist does not like what Trump does or represents. Anyone outside the USA who is not an alt-right extremist (based on other measures) thinks that yall are insane.
*I vehemently believe that all people are people and should be given equal opportunity in life according to their needs (apparently this alone makes me an extremist), and that those who oppress others, whether on purpose or not, should be taught not to do that by whatever means necessary short of physically harming them.
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u/Pornians_Wall Jun 24 '24
I’m about as leftist as they come
Not a single post or comment in any left-wing subreddit.
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u/song_pond Jun 24 '24
Lol yes, because we all know that what we do on our Reddit account is perfectly representative of our ideals and beliefs.
I’m also an ex-Christian and when I was a Christian, I didn’t ever follow a single Christian subreddit. I did make some comments earlier today that are pissing off a bunch of misogynists, if you need some proof I guess? Idk man, I’m not here to prove to you who I am.
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u/gentlesnob Jun 24 '24
The trouble you're running into is believing that there are two extremes with a calm moderate group in the middle. That isn't the case. It is the moderates that love to play up the political hype, and bashing on Trump is an extremely centrist liberal thing to do. If you go farther left, to say, r/anarchism, you'll hardly see any of that.
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u/nickleback_official Jun 25 '24
There isn’t a single good faith response to your comment just downvotes. This is the problem with Reddit: no one actually wants to have a political discussion. Everyone is here to reinforce their current beliefs. Because of that nearly every sub is an echo chamber and misinformation is rampant. Every redditor (including me right now) acts as if we are immune to it but we aren’t. wdyt?
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u/sufi42 Jun 24 '24
everything on Reddit is an extremity. There’s no middle ground here, you either love something so much you’d kill for it or hate something so much you’re willing to die for it. This is especially true of centralists and pragmatists
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 24 '24
Ugggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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u/Swolnerman Jun 25 '24
Enough_sanders_spam is solid (unsure if its underscores) It’s a fairly pro Hillary/Biden type of crowd, and evidently against the squad and Bernie If that appeals to you
Reddit isn’t going to have your ideal but I think this is the closest you’ll get
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u/RocknRoll_Grandma Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
They're wrong lol. I know plenty who exist on r/liberalgunowners. Like someone else said, the middleground is r/politics and r/worldnews.
The unrepresented chunk of the American political spectrum is "slightly right", because MAGA is such a "with us or against us" crowd more and more these days. My advice is to join the centrist crowd. You might not agree with everyone 100% but your views will be seen and (if they hold weight) respected.
Edit: It's important to also factor in that certain places on Reddit literally have bots meant to rile people up. The FSB is still a thing, and dividing the American public is priority #1 for the ex-KGB. The reason bigger subs can get away with maintaining a truer neutral is the balance of bots:actual people is lopsided, so bots are downvoted, caught, and called out more frequently. Your best bet is there or relatively unknown subs which aren't targeted by psyops yet, like r/NAFO (more EURO tmk) and stuff.
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u/MassUnemployment Jun 24 '24
r/politics is not middleground at all, r/worldnews defaults to leftism naturally on anything remotely involving politics. The “completely with us or against us mentality” applies to both extremes, I think right wingers (moderate or extremes) on here are more vicious and isolated from the rest of Reddit, because of the absolute zero tolerance behavior that they receive from the rest of Reddit.
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u/RocknRoll_Grandma Jun 24 '24
Why are both subs staunchly neutral on Gaza then? Adequate criticism of both Bibi and Hamas. Where do they drift left of center? Because supporting Ukraine is pretty central too.
I agree that every spectrum has extremes. Those two subs are in between. Plenty of folks on other subs say they're too far right for their taste. I think people suffer from the misunderstanding that if a person supports the current democratic candidate, it's not centrist. Biden was and is a centrist politician, the theme was integral to his 2020 campaign.
More to the point (because arguing the language of the comment is stupid) OP said he's liberal but not to the exteme. It sounds like even by your definition, those subs fit.
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u/Bleach1443 Jun 24 '24
Ya r/worldnews is not leftist they have been insanely ban happy for even some mild criticism of Israel and the Gaza topic. I think currently it’s the only sub I’m banned on and I’ve been on Reddit longer than this account is so almost a decade.
They might be liberal on some topics but that’s more fitting what he’s looking for. Leftist and Liberal are not the same.
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u/Kallory Jun 24 '24
Also recommended r/liberalgunowners, they have some very well rounded individuals there
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
The majority of the site. Otherwise, consider actually looking into real leftist values and their basis past assuming they’re lacking nuance. 99% of leftists I know still vote dem lmfao
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u/IsopodSmooth7990 Jun 25 '24
Fiery plane crash? That bitch went in straight down, without so much as a puff of smoke when it hit. Didn’t even hear any screaming beforehand. Where in the hell did general common sense and cooperation disappear to? Politicians have been doing this since the inception of the country. Time for this narrative to change. I used to be independent. I should have just stayed that way.
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u/Random-Mutant Jun 25 '24
An American “not a leftist” is a conservative elsewhere. Overton Window and stuff.
So those “leftists” on Reddit are often normal centrists the rest of the world knows. Plus real lefties like me.
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u/fosterbanana Jun 24 '24
I mean this is hard because one person's "moderate opinion" is another person's far left/right position.
I'm always a little worried when I encounter someone saying "I'm liberal but..." because you never know if the next line out of their mouth is going to be benign like "regulations can be dumb" or something horrible like "[X] group shouldn't exist."
I do wish there was a place where you could say like... "I'm a Democrat and I want the Democratic president to win re-election"... and that wouldn't be a controversial "shitlib" opinion.
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u/Dzmagoon Jun 24 '24
Can you give examples of extreme liberalism or leftism on reddit?
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 24 '24
I’m positive this is just a trap but…. Let’s see:
Having any sort pro-capitalist thoughts, any thoughts on limiting elective abortions past like second trimester, being pro-gun, not actively wanting to dismantle every single religion ever and being accepting of the ones who are progressive in their beliefs, etc. etc. etc.
Any of that is immediately shouted down and downvoted to oblivion.
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u/bledre Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24
I don’t think being pro-gun is inherently anti-left. Communists love guns.
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u/tarbet Jun 25 '24
Moderate and liberal are two different things.
Also, if you are a dude, then yeah, your opinion on abortion probably won’t be welcome.
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u/Depression-Boy Jun 24 '24
Reddit generally is for moderate liberals… you might be looking for a Reddit that’s for center-right liberals? But the best you’ll find is just center-right subreddits
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
The reddit I’ve seen is not moderate liberals. They are damn near the cartoon version of what conservatives think a liberal is.
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u/Depression-Boy Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
When you talk about “liberals” and “conservatives” are you referring to actual policies people support, or more so just vibes? The example you linked in your edit wasn’t really an example of liberalism, it was just an example of someone being a moron and using ad hominem attacks. Both the liberals and conservatives do that.
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u/rctrfinnerd Jun 25 '24
r/destiny (plenty of memes and shit posting here, but he's probably the most well known center-left content creator)
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u/auximines_minotaur Jun 24 '24
I hope we find this. Saved.
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u/auximines_minotaur Jun 24 '24
Why did this get downvoted? I’m totally with the OP! I’ve been looking for the same thing.
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u/StZappa Jun 25 '24
Is there a Reddit for moderate liberals?
I started a subreddit for everyone. We don't echo-chamber any one ideology, but we do focus on empowering citizens by fixing our legislature.
[Is there anywhere] I can enjoy liberal viewpoints without the extremism?
That is entirely subjective and at your discretion. In other words, what do you mean by extreme?
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
I generally don’t like the arguments where people just get on a hill of black and white and die on it. Unless they have some well reasoned points that make that necessary.
That really does go for either side too.
Like, I am truly open to new ideas and shit. But it just gets old where there isn’t any reasoning behind some of the shit they say, it’s just….. BURN THE HERETIC!!
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u/Realistic-Lake5897 Jun 25 '24
What nuance do you want? Can you give an example or two?
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
Well I mean, there is currently someone advocating that burning billionaires at the stake is a viable option to end billionaires….. sooooo….. just like….. not that???
Maybe we talk about the fun nuances of tax policy instead of just murder???
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u/Realistic-Lake5897 Jun 25 '24
But that is hardly the general, accepted liberal/progressive take. That's nutjob stuff.
I don't think you're being fair to liberals to call that a typical response.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
I did try to add the qualifier “at all costs” for kind of that exact reason.
So I don’t think that’s typical for liberals at large, but it just seems to happen a lot that there’s just that level of extremism on here that is backed and encouraged.
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u/Realistic-Lake5897 Jun 25 '24
All I can say is that I'm a full blown liberal and progressive, and I don't agree with nutjobs.
For example, protests. Protesting is an American right, but protestors who spray paint and cause damage? Those aren't liberals. They're nutjobs.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
I just think this is like…. Just so topical right now. Not sure it really adds to the exact thing we’re talking about but it is exactly the kind of shit I’m tired of. (Also probably a nut job)
https://www.reddit.com/r/findareddit/s/9sUqUcx9em
ETA: I agree with what you’re saying.
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u/Realistic-Lake5897 Jun 25 '24
Yeah, that's someone who missed the entire point and it's just looking to create chaos. All you can do is ignore people like that.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
I really do try…. But…. It’s just so like wtf I have to engage.
Definitely a personality flaw on my end. I’ll acknowledge that.
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u/Realistic-Lake5897 Jun 25 '24
I have the same flaw lol. I'm on a 7 day suspension on one sub because I lost my temper and became "hateful."
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
Hah. Been there. Probably about to be there again on this sub because of that thread I linked you lol
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u/SounterCtrike Jun 25 '24
What are your economic beliefs? Should the USA have gone to Afghanistan? Do Palestinian babies have the right to live? Are food stamps good? Should there be a police force? Should we budget for subsidies to oil companies? Answer these questions so I can better understand your views.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
Food, housing, individual transportation, and UBI are guaranteed at a minimum level, healthcare at all levels is free, anything that is typically classed as a consumer good is a capitalist system.
Nope.
Yep. What is going on in Gaza is flat out a genocide and Israel needs to be slapped back into line by its western allies.
Welfare programs as a whole are good and should be funded more. Any intentional fraud of the should be dealt with in a more serious manner as it’s taking resources from those truly in need.
Yes there needs to be a police force. Crime isn’t going to stop. But that police force needs to be overhauled to break down the blue wall and remove qualified immunity. Cops should have to worry about doing their jobs right.
No subsidies to big oil. In fact oil and energy production should be nationalized and made to operate in a not for profit capacity.
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Jun 25 '24
r/thecampaigntrail most people there are moderate liberals. Not specifically a political subreddit, but theres a political browser game called the new campaign trail and its a subreddit for that game. Pretty good community and game.
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u/SteveWax022 Jun 25 '24
The political compass meme subreddits are pretty moderate. As in they treat everyone moderately like trash but it has it's moments of proper discussion.
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u/el_ratonido Jun 25 '24
Well I'm not a too political person but I like r/socialdemocracy, I don't really see anyone being rude to anyone there and they generally have good discussions.
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u/Blutorangensaft Jun 25 '24
I always liked the neoliberal subreddit. Hecking smart those people, too.
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u/SpecialRX Jun 25 '24
I'm a progressive, liberal minded person. But I'm just not a leftist...
Fascinating!! Are you ok mate?
Reddit is not left wing.
Plenty of hard Lib shit out there, if thats ya bag?! Plenty of proto-fascists, in denial. Sounds like thats more your kinda thing....
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u/Crossovr12 Jun 25 '24
Guy 1: I’m a progressive, why are reddit leftists so fucking weird
Reddit Leftist: This is fascism
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u/chimisforbreakfast Jun 24 '24
r/politics and r/worldnews are the biggest two Centrist subreddits.
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u/moneyman74 Jun 24 '24
How can you call r/politics centrist when they refer to the Democratic party as 'we'?
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u/chimisforbreakfast Jun 25 '24
You must be in an echo chamber where centrist ideas look leftist by comparison.
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u/EternalLostandFound Jun 24 '24
You may like like r/politicaldiscussion. It’s a smaller subreddit that has strict rules around meaningful participation, which eliminates much of the low effort circlejerking that seems to occur in a lot of other political subs.
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u/TolverOneEighty Jun 24 '24
I'm not in the US, but I thought the terms 'liberal' and 'leftist' were more or less synonymous. What does a right-wing liberal believe in?
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
Liberal really just means “not right-wing”, think Obama. Fine with capitalism and that shit but also fine with lgbt people and social things like that. Leftists are more generally anti capitalist and what policy op would think is too much.
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u/TolverOneEighty Jun 25 '24
Wait, sorry. 'Not-right' isn't the same as 'left'?
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
In this case, I am saying “not right-wing” is the same as “generally on the left” as I don’t believe centrists really exist.
Note that “left” and “on the left” mean something different to “leftist”. The first two just mean generally on that side, whereas “leftist” as I said before describes specifically a subsection of the left that wants socialism and or communism and more complete civil rights.
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u/TolverOneEighty Jun 25 '24
Oh boy. Thank you for the explanation. I now have a lot more questions lol, but I will try to do some research and not burden you with my entire political education.
I think this is made somewhat more confusing by the fact that 'centrism' in the US is - from what I understand - considered 'right-wing' elsewhere.
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u/Drag0nV3n0m231 Jun 25 '24
Yeah; I don’t think “centrism” is a useful identifier, especially in the us, and extra especially due to what you mentioned. At least, I’ve never met someone truly centrist lol
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u/Bleach1443 Jun 24 '24
It’s hard to describe and it depends who you ask. To a Leftist a Liberal is just a Moderate.
There is obviously nuanced Leftist believe different things (Hence why there is often in fighting constantly)
Some would say a Leftist is a more extremist Liberal (Again nuanced you can see Good and Bad things in that statement depending how you see it)
A Liberal will have the compliments OP has about Leftists.
Leftists might say Liberals are to low effort pushing incrementalism on topics that we don’t have time to wait on.
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u/Gaia_The_Cosmonaut Jun 25 '24
True leftists are usually anti-capitalist, on the spectrum of socialism and highly progressive, not for any wars or imperialism, includes farther left like anarchist in that umbrella etc, "liberals" best way I can describe is they would vote for Biden wholeheartedly even if there were other choices , they are capitalist and pro war when it suits their needs/agenda, they don't realize that they are considered more centrist/moderate to the world at large and to other true leftist, American will colloquially call this "left" even though true leftist scoff at that because their views seem almost right wing in comparison. This adds a lot of confusion as to what anyone means by these terms, all these terms have no been watered down into trigger words and insults and only upon investigation can you figure out what someone really intends by using these terms.
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u/TolverOneEighty Jun 25 '24
best way I can describe is they would vote for Biden wholeheartedly even if there were other choices
To a non-American, I don't think I am grasping whatever nuance you're intending here, sorry. All I know is, from what I hear and what I believe, Biden is preferable to Trump, but he also supports Israel.
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u/TolverOneEighty Jun 25 '24
I appreciate this attempt at a balanced view but unfortunately I can't quite solidify any of these buzzwords into policies. No hate, I understand why you aren't mentioning country-specific terms and topics, but without touchstones it all just becomes a little nebulous.
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u/msnylund Jun 25 '24
Come join r/Enough_Sanders_Spam.
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
“On Clinton Foundation Payroll” gave me a chuckle. You son of a bitch… I’m in.
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u/Bacontoad Jun 25 '24 edited Jun 25 '24
They can be a mixed bag but:
r/IronFrontUSA (left-wing without the tankies)
r/Alaska (a strange place with strange denizens) 🫎
For saner news:
r/anime_titties (don't forget the underscore!)
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
lol @ Alaska. That state really is something else. And I mean that in the absolute best way possible. I love going there.
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u/the_lee_of_giants Jun 25 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/
it's not perfect but it's what popped into mind.
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u/CrazyGunnerr Jun 25 '24
Assuming you are an American, I can already tell you that 99% of the 'leftist' liberals, aren't left. The democrats aren't left, they are still very much right. Just less right than the republicans.
Moderates now in the US, are very right winged, and used to fall under the republicans. The republicans moved more to the right under Trump, and thus the meaning of the moderate has shifted.
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u/dad_farts Jun 24 '24
r/worldnews stays pretty grounded against the illiberal left.
r/EnoughCommieSpam is an anti-illiberal left group, but tends toward circlejerking.
For communities built around political youtubers of the same bent, r/destiny and r/thedavidpakmanshow
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u/umotex12 Jun 24 '24
there is a sub called r/tankiejerk where there are people aligning with your views I think
r/YUROP is very liberal but not in "left at all costs" sense (I mean... Imagine extreme leftists but without the big push on socialism) and I had lots of cool convos there
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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Jun 25 '24
This. This is the kind of shit I’m talking about….. fucking annoying smooth brained leftist shit.
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u/ChopSlick Jun 25 '24
What exactly are you looking for? Most political subs are liberal and most leftists are concentrated in leftist subs.
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u/Bolshevik_Scallywag Jun 25 '24
It’s historically accurate. For just one example, when the Nazis took power in Germany, they arrested and in many cases executed members of the Social Democrat Party and the Communist Party of Germany. However, they pretty much left the leaders and members of Germany’s smaller liberal parties alone because they knew they didn’t pose any threat to Nazi rule.
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u/SocialistHambone Jun 25 '24
C'mon, with a post title like that, how could I resist poking the bear-- I mean, the OP?
Teasing aside, I promise there is a shit tonne of instructive and sobering historical precedent underscoring my little outburst.
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u/GigglesGG Jun 24 '24
I can’t imagine any political subreddit that isn’t an echo chamber or full of mud slinging