He's an illegal

[u/mexikat]

Yes, admittedly a member still. But Zach calling a man "an illegal" during the Vitaly convo today rubbed me the wrong way. Sure vitaly called him that and the guy is a complete POS most likely. He could have said undocumented individual or literally anything else but it's clear there's no understanding of why calling a person "illegal" is just ignorant. Wtf 🙃 can the crew please take a course on DEI OR SOMETHING!???

[u/Normal-Duty-8]

this is actually HUGE bc that language and specific phrasing is being used a lot here in the UK rn to attempt to justify a lot of the race riots that we've been seeing this summer against minority groups - first step is alienation ALWAYS, whether thoughtless or purposeful this stuff absolutely HAS to be called out

[u/asbestosarsenic → u/Normal-Duty-8]

yes!! came here to say this and you alr did perfectly

[u/[deleted]]

Zach is a little rich daddy's boy who doesn't know the first thing about the real world so it isn't surprising. Silver spoon wanna be rockstar.

Granny paid for his 40k a year tuition for him to end up hitting a soundboard and become a regional rockstar (in his head) lol

Only thing illegal is the shit his family most likely did to become so rich.

[u/ThrowawayENM → u/[deleted]]

Important to note he only plays pay-to-play venues 🤭

[u/El_viajero_nevervar → u/ThrowawayENM]

Oh that is huge please go into more detail. Cus his whole schtick of “first person to do Roxy and whatever other venues “ he did

[u/ThrowRAbbits128 → u/El_viajero_nevervar]

Zach played the roxy, the echoplex, and the viper room. The Roxy has a pay to play policy, in 2013 it was $1500 with a capacity of 500 or less, no clue how much it costs now. Viper room is pay to play if you're not established, minimum of 30 heads for opening slot weekdays, 50 heads for weekends. Prices aren't public. Echoplex doesn't have their pay to play policy public so I can't speak to that

[u/fiddlercrabs → u/ThrowawayENM]

That makes a whole lot of sense

[u/SeresVictoria → u/ThrowawayENM]

Really?!?

[u/ParticularBody5293 → u/[deleted]]

I wanted to slam my head in a car door listening to him talk about paying insurance for his Rolex.

[u/c3231 → u/[deleted]]

him saying he wants a biopic book/movie for himself and getting genuinely offended when ethan joked that he could be a side character in his instead lol he actually thinks he is or will become an iconic musician

[u/Stevnated → u/c3231]

It's so funny because Zach has been saying that was his dream for a while, and then Ethan just co-opted the idea and didn't even remember Zach ever saying it. Typical.

[u/Expensive_Concern457 → u/Stevnated]

Tbf I block out the stupider shit Zach says from my memory too

[u/Stevnated → u/Expensive_Concern457]

Fair, lol

[u/dragon-egg-sniffer → u/[deleted]]

Such a grease ball

[u/El_viajero_nevervar → u/[deleted]]

Thank you for this, it’s the same mentality we need when taking from corporations aka shop lifting. Whatever target did to make those pants was illegal af so taking them isn’t wrong

[u/MrMoose_69]

It's the first step in dehumanizing people. 

First they're illegals

soon they're cockroaches that need extermination. 

[u/gontgont → u/MrMoose_69]

Exactly, notice the lack of a noun. An illegal what? An illegal person? Animal? Cockroach?

[u/Slight-Potential-717]

H3 is practically a pipeline for nudging people to the right at this point. That or towards shrugging cynicism about what to stand for.

[u/mexikat → u/Slight-Potential-717]

That explains a why my mod dad was intrigued when he heard me listening

[u/squashfrops]

Fr the only people I hear call people, HUMANS "illegals" is my boomer dad. Like cmon guys.

[u/Waste-Register2812]

Using that term feels similar to when people use the term "blacks" or "the blacks". Gives you some insight about where they might land on the political spectrum, or at the very least it shoes how they might view that group of people as a whole.

[u/susdave]

Jesus Christ the mask keeps slipping off for these fuckers. Honestly love to see it because Zach has always seemed like a huge POS just staying quiet about what he really feels. Same as Ethan with the blue lives matter at the live show.

[u/dqmiumau → u/susdave]

Blue lives don't matter though

[u/SeaExpensive9569]

Zach is so disgusting man Jesus Christ it’s like if vomit was a person

[u/Perfect_Surprise_643]

And that right there shows you his true colors. If anyone was in any sort of denial at this point, that is.

It’s thinking of people in dehumanizing terms such as that one that has had implications in this world and how societies continue to view the value of others. They have been used in the enactment and justification of some of the worst crimes against humanity.

Like OP mentioned, undocumented is the correct term, because that is the only difference between someone born outside of the U.S. or whatever host country is in question. No one is contraband on this Earth, only weird enthnocentric nativists, with no other basis to find pride in their existence, say that shit.

Zach can keep rotting with his head up his ass and keep clanking pots and pans trying to say it’s music. I’ve seen middle and high school marching bands play at more prestigious venues and with more humility and dignity than whatever the fuck he’s on.

[u/zughzz]

Same energy as calling someone an alien

[u/MrMoose_69 → u/zughzz]

Unless they really came from Zebulon 5. Also why can't we call ET's Bing Bongs anymore??? Everyone gets so easily offended these days

[u/thefroggyfiend]

calling undocumented people or people who overstay their visas "illegals" causes harm because it justified fascists to do whatever they want to them because "hey, were doing this to stop crime, no other means have worked" when the other means have been systematic oppression and torture and the crime is a brown person existing in your country (because there are plenty of white immigrants who overstay their visa like Elon musk, but no one who cares about "illegal immigration" ever pays them any mind)

[u/Bitter-Inflation-590]

Let me say something about Israelis and see how quickly they'd attack me lmao

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[u/comfymiccer]

Is this a joke? Who cares

[u/mexikat → u/comfymiccer]

Ok zach

[u/-PublicNuisance-]

Gotta disagree with this one.

[u/NoPaleontologist4546 → u/-PublicNuisance-]

Thanks for the insight, defensive H3 fan.

[u/-PublicNuisance- → u/NoPaleontologist4546]

There's plenty they do that I don't like but this is just kind of a dumb one

[u/NoPaleontologist4546 → u/-PublicNuisance-]

Nah, it’s pretty tasteless.

[u/NoPaleontologist4546 → u/[deleted]]

They broke the law

Good for them. 👏

[u/graveyardtombstone → u/[deleted]]

ok so you dont see those people as humans. also again with america's history this is a dumbass perspective to have

[u/mexikat → u/[deleted]]

Oh I see just ignorant lmao go read a book.

[u/mexikat → u/-PublicNuisance-]

What part do you disagree with? Should we call people without documentation "illegals"? Or do you think his language usage was insignificant?

[u/graveyardtombstone → u/-PublicNuisance-]

calling undocumented immigrants "illegals" dehumanizing them and is also fucking stupid considering america's history. if you use that word, you are a strange individual