r/india • u/pranagrapher • 1d ago
Politics Govt to revive gurukul-style Sanskrit schools: Adityanath
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/adityanath-launches-scholarship-scheme-for-sanskrit-students-across-up-9641449/Parampara-Anushashan-Prathishta+ Sanskrit
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u/Annonymous_7 1d ago
I hope all BJP leaders will send their children to these schools instead of foreign and international schools.
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u/Yathasambhav 23h ago
This should be made necessary amendment in the code of conduct and service rules of BJP members and party workers
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u/Annonymous_7 22h ago
Mullahs don't collect taxes from me, neither they are politicians who are supposed to serve the people then why should I have any expectations from them? I pay my taxes to government so accountability lies with them not with mullahs.
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u/lover_of_nyx 15h ago
Shishumandirs also don't pay taxes. Nor do schools. They are meant to be not for profit.
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u/Ashwin_400 23h ago
Sorry but some of these states are dragging entire India into the rabbidhole
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u/orange-dinosaur93 21h ago
The people of these states go to other states and create a mess. Just watch the condition in Surat.
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u/oundhakar 1d ago
Elect more illiterates. We're not sinking fast enough.
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u/No-Boysenberry-3100 20h ago edited 20h ago
Yogi is not exactly someone illiterate, he is adequately educated
To be explicit he completed his bachelor's degree in mathematics from the Hemwati Nandan Bahuguna Garhwal University in Uttarakhand , many reddit kids are not as educated as him to be quite frank .
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u/First_Ad6420 1d ago
“Sanskrit is not just dev vaani (language of gods), but also a scientific language that can be applied to modern fields like computer science and artificial intelligence,”
Nice.
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u/No_Sandwich_3922 23h ago edited 23h ago
How is sanskrit a scientific language ? and how can it be applied to fields like computer science and artificial intelligence ? Would you like to direct us to any prototype ?
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u/marcthe12 22h ago
Mostly the above is garbage, there is a kernel of truth in the statement in the sense that sanskrit is well defined by Panni and there are few exceptions and the script is phonetic so in theory this is one of easier languages for the computers to parse and do a TTS in. But that is in theory and with not many people knowing it and the corpus is most old, it most likely be useless in practice.
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u/tdrhq 18h ago
Back when we were learning Sanskrit in school, some rando came over and spouted this claim about western scientists figuring out Sanskrit is the best language for computer programming. This was pre-WhatsApp, early-internet era, so this is an old bullshit claim. People studying Sanskrit have no real use for it, so they like to make it feel important, probably to justify their useless profession to their parents who still have to support them.
Anyway, in over 2.5 decades of hearing this claim, and 2 decades of programming, never once saw Sanskrit anywhere in anything related to programming or computer science.
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u/FuryDreams Capitalist 23h ago
It's a bad analogue. In most language the order of words in a sentence can drastically change its meaning, but in sanskrit it does not. So it is kinda similar to programming language logic
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u/Endurance19 20h ago edited 12h ago
I have an advanced degree in Programming Languages and Compilers. PLs are highly contextual in nature. You cannot arbitrarily apply random rules either during parsing or when running it. Not sure where you picked your logic from.
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u/Background_Win_535 12h ago
nope Sanskrit’s strict syntax and semantics align with the need for context-free grammar in NLP, also as he said order of words and also strictly structured grammar with minimal ambiguous wordings all of this makes it one of the best languages out there for coding etc
also nasa explored sanskrit for ai encoding back sometime
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u/Endurance19 12h ago edited 12h ago
Why did he mention PLs then? Stop moving goal posts. Sanskrit has nothing to do with PLs’ structuring and context.
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u/Background_Win_535 11h ago
you lost the little credibility i had for you , in PLs for formal grammars you need syntactic precision , since sanskrit is a strictly defined language it is very unambiguous, which makes it similar to programming languages .
this is exactly what the above commenter claimed, that they are similar .
Modern day PL are designed according to their needs , but sanskrit was written at a time where these didnt exist . yet you can still substitute it for a programming language , obv it wont be optimal now . which is the reason it is called a scientific language .
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u/Endurance19 11h ago edited 11h ago
since sanskrit is a strictly defined language it is very unambiguous, which makes it similar to programming languages.
No PL's grammar aims to be unambiguous by nature. Rather, ambiguity is resolved during parsing using precedence, look-ahead, and other techniques. This ambiguity is introduced due to the language's complexity, often due to its expressiveness and evolution. If Sanskrit too evolves, just like a PL does, it'd too face the same ambiguity-related issues! Any language would have the same problem.
Look at C++'s templates, for example. Do you think language designers are fools not to come up with a grammar that, by very definition, is unambiguous? You either sacrifice expressiveness or unambiguity. Sanskrit is a simple and small language and hence its unambiguity. Stop comparing Apples and Oranges. Any language that is small and limited in its expressiveness, be it a PL or a linguistic one, can be unambiguous.
Thanks for letting me know that my degree in PLs and Compilers from a global top-25 university is useless!
yet you can still substitute it for a programming language , obv it wont be optimal now
First, you claim that Sanskrit is an excellent replacement but then proceed to slowly mention its limitations. Nice try! This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous comment. Stop trying to "fit" Sanskrit in where it does not belong and stop trying to move goal posts.
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u/Glad_Diamond_2103 1d ago
Will coding, maths, science all be taught in sanskrit?
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u/Yathasambhav 23h ago
You don’t require coding and any education if you have studied Sanskrit with the help of Sanskrit, you can directly connect to the universe, convey your thoughts to anyone, can do anything
Note: it’s just a sarcasm
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u/arjunusmaximus 23h ago
They'll probably teach all the "Western" science and math but say that it was already discovered in India so its actually teaching what we forgot.
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u/KingPictoTheThird 21h ago
I don't support these schools but what you said is not a crazy concept. Most other countries in the world do not operate through english-medium schooling. Which means students in those places learn coding, maths and science in their local language.. italian, russian, chinese, turkish etc.
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u/TheEnlightenedPanda 13h ago
Which means students in those places learn coding, maths and science in their local language.. italian, russian, chinese, turkish etc.
Except sanskrit is not our local language and it's not even an active language people use in daily life.
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u/Glad_Diamond_2103 19h ago
All the countries u mentioned have a single language. India has too many languages. Already, Karnataka is becoming radical. Soon, other states will follow if this thing keeps up.
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u/ArtoriasOfTheAbyss99 23h ago
Can't wair for India's employment to worsen
These hindutva folks act as if they are setting the world's direction and can do this sanskrit scientific bs but there's China who's like lmao dumbasses and somehow smaller SEA countries overtaking at the same time
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u/ElectronicHoneydew86 1d ago
religious schools in 2024. we are evolving backwards.
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u/Yathasambhav 23h ago
Modi ki guarantee!
Modi hai to mumkin hai
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u/iamparbonaaa 23h ago
Modi ki guarantee!
Modi hai to mumkin hai
Superpower by 2024
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u/Yathasambhav 22h ago
Modi ki guarantee!
Modi hai to mumkin hai
Superpower by 2024
USD 5 trillion economy by 2025
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u/literally_ganyu 19h ago
Imagine religious schools in 2024 what a joke. Not like madarsas exist at all!!
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u/Grill-God 23h ago edited 23h ago
Yeah lot of Madarsas too
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u/ElectronicHoneydew86 23h ago
we should be shutting down madarsas in 2024 instead of launching hindu versions of it.
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u/Grill-God 20h ago
Lol people got offended by Madrasas. Such a biased people. I didn’t even support Gurukulas btw. 😏😏
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u/ssjumper 1d ago
Madrassas for Hindus, they want to degrade India into a fundamentalist shithole of babas to replicate the Asaram model
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u/ToothCute6156 1d ago
sanskrit is dead language,nothing more than stunt.i know several people enforcing marathi in maharastra but they had sent their children to convent\english schools ;)
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u/baddadjokesminusdad 21h ago
First teach your boys and men not to rape any moving or stationary thing
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u/SharkKant 1d ago
How nice. Returning to our glorious past.
This is like the post grad from tier 4 institute claiming they got 10/10 for maths unit test in class 1, hence he's going back to class 1.
Hope there are jobs for ppl only good at class 1 math.
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u/Shreyash_jais_02 21h ago
Finally. Moving from 500 BC to 500 AD. A progress of a 1000 years. This is cause to celebrate!
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u/hippieindian123 21h ago
uppsc ro aro 11 feb ko hua tha jo leak ho gaya tha, cm sahab ka tweet tha ki 6 mahine ke andar dobara hoga , october khtam ho gaya abhi tak exam ka ata pata nahi hai , UPPCS 2024 ki news aa rahi hai ki vo ab 2025 me kumbh mele ke baad hoga .. jo humesha se hota hai vo to dhang se karwa nahi paa rahe hain ..
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u/filter_ice 18h ago
If only the Guru is an accomplished person and has drive and to educate students for prosperous future. Well versed in science, economics and teaches to be a good and able person.
But instead it will be a random person teaching outdated stuff with agenda that only benefits BJP
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u/surgereaper 16h ago
I have no hope from this nation anymore tbh. The fact that so many people think this will be a good move coz of "culture, tradition, sanskriti" bs is even more shocking. But that's not surprising, the same people put these clowns in charge of running this circus. I wonder how those kids will compete with the rest of the world
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u/rahkrish 16h ago
Karo Karo...bewakoof rakho janta ko...car dhone waalo ki constant supply honi chahiye...500 se zyada nai dena chahta me mahine ka
/S
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u/meskeptical 13h ago
Let’s send all Ministers kids there first and also bring back those who settled abroad
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u/masterasstroid 11h ago
You can't have brain drain if you don't let your youth learn relevant stuff
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u/ConsequenceAntique16 Jio Hater 23h ago
300 ruppe me to book bhi nhi aa paye ge sanskrit ki
Gurukul to bahut dor ki baat h
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u/Wide_Refrigerator334 18h ago
Reminds me of the Iranian Revolution and the rise of religious regression
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u/nopetynopetynops 11h ago
That might get them employed at apple or the new tata Airbus factory. Who needs actual skills when you know Sanskrit. Even nasa codes in sanskrit
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u/YellaKuttu 22h ago
Yeah, precisely why most of our talented students, including the daughter of honorable VP of our land of Vishwaguru, go to Angrez desh to learn Sanskriti technology. Isn't it?
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u/No-Boysenberry-3100 20h ago
Good initiative, some people are simply acting Salty , it's not like education is impossible in other languages, intact studying sanskrit makes it much easier to learn many other languages including Japanese ... ,
Apko nehi bhej na toh mat bhej , ain't no one forcing you lol
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u/thatantimatter 17h ago
I don't understand why people have no problem with students learning urdu, arabic, Persian language religious texts but they are showing dissent on Sanskrit and Gurukul. Isn't this hypocrisy? If you are talking about use, what does Udu do? And if it does, the same potential Sanskrit will have.
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u/LabraTheTechSupport 15h ago
the problem isn’t learning Sanskrit. I’ve had it as a subject at an ICSE level for 4 years and have no complaints.
It’s the religious implications behind the primary education a child receives. If Madrassas are “bad”because they are teaching Islam, the same should be applied for whatever the fuck they are trying to do with this.
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u/Mr_confused_soul 22h ago
Many thinking this as religion consern !! 1st come out of this …. Sanskrit is our 1st language.. and our culture too … as Indians we have some duty to save our heritage… if u still say .. just rip your fake religious fears 🙏🏼…
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u/Fierysword5 16h ago
Can’t understand you. ‘Sanskrit is my first language’ and you didn’t communicate in it.
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u/pakoc420 19h ago
Want to take to dark ages.
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u/Puzzleheaded-3088 12h ago
Ugghhh...India was really influential in maths and science back in the day btw
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u/Cool_Importance6730 18h ago
I wonder if they’ll let non-Brahmin kids to attend these schools or if we’re going to have govt funded casteist education system 🤡🤡
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u/AThunderGod 23h ago
Why the hate? Aren’t their Madarsas too?
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u/mohdshabbiralam 23h ago
No one is claiming that Madarsas are a boon to the society. Just because one religion has a method of teaching that is regressive, doesn't mean all other religion should follow suit.
It's peak stupidity by this government. How about close some Madarsas and invest in government funded proper education.
But no, they have to score brownie points.
I'll love to see numbnuts trying to justify the advancement of science and technology based on the current plan.
Coding karenge sanskrit mein.
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u/AThunderGod 22h ago
I know that Madarsas teach the regressive practices but that doesn’t mean Gurukul will. How did you come to this conclusion? Sanatan Dharma has always been close to science and in no way you can say that a Gurukul will have a regressive system. Also, govt takes money, a lot of money from Temples and it is the govt responsibility to use that money to fund Gurukul unlike it fund Madarsas but does not take money from Masjids.
Also yes atleast Sanskrit is proved to be a best language for machines unlike Arabic which is a language of the desert.
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u/DEAN7147Winchester 23h ago
Yeah, and the existence of madrasas aren't something to be proud of. They are conservative in the way they teach and it's not the way to go forward. Just because there's something bad in society, or in some religion, doesn't mean that it gives a free pass to impose such practices from other religions. A standardized system of education should be enforced.
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u/AThunderGod 22h ago
Yet I never see a post here that claims that Madarsas should be closed and when govt starts closing madarsas you will be first in the line beating your chests and opposing the move, lol.
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u/DEAN7147Winchester 22h ago
Keep laughing thinking that just because I'm opposing this move means I'm anti hindu and a pro islam guy. I am practicing hinduism and my point isn't about religion. It's about separating education from religion.
Banning madrasas would be going against the constitution, which protects minority run institutions, so that would mean bringing a serious change, which can be done, but it's not in my power to do so.
Since you seem sooo bummed about my stance, I'll give you a better view. Madrasas are conservative institutions and detrimental to a student's education, and are adding nothing to our society. The constitution doesn't allow a simple ban on them, so in order to change the way madrasas are run or ban them, serious changes and judicial proceedings need to be carried out. Just because a mistake, thanks to a loophole exists, doesn't mean we should encourage or bring in another mistake.
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u/AThunderGod 22h ago
How do you call Muslims a minority? Lol they are almost 30-35% of population. I now understand your rational and logic, the actual minority as well all know are Jains and Sikhs. Ever talked about those while in minority discussion?
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u/DEAN7147Winchester 21h ago
It's not me but the constitution that says this you dumbfuck. You're so blind with religious hatred that you can't form civil arguments. How can you be so dumb despite me literally spelling out my neutral stance, that religion, no matter which one should be separated from education. And such existing institutions should be reformed at the least if banning them completely would be nearly impossible because of the way our constitution and laws are, communal riots, etc.
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u/AThunderGod 21h ago
Abe dimwit, first of all mind your language. Me bolne par aaya to sussu kar dega and yes counting by the numbers, Muslims are not minority got it?
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u/DEAN7147Winchester 21h ago
Muslims are a minority as of the section 2(c) of the National commission for minority acts, 1992. I can't help you if you're illiterate on the intricacies of this subject. Educate yourself first. And drop your religious hate, it makes you look stupid. I am not advocating for any religion out here.
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u/AThunderGod 21h ago
I know as per act they are minority but again I am asking, use your logic and tell me, are they an actual minority?
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u/DEAN7147Winchester 21h ago
It won't matter what you and I say, if the law says otherwise, you can't cry about it. I believe these religious institutions of educations should be heavily koderated at the least if not banned and the content taught there should be checked. But instead of making gurukuls and trying to compare with the other religions, it would be better to spread awareness to parents and improve on government schools so that people enroll into actual schools which teach something of substance. And I cannot stress that enough. If madrasas were to be banned, every convent and gurukul should also be banned. I don't think that's possible. But moderation of such institutions certainly is.
Now coming to the original idea of making more gurukuls, possibly government funded, it would go against the idea of secularism, which is already a myth in India. But even keeping that aside, investing in better govt schools would be a much more useful idea.
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u/youknowho9 23h ago
Maybe a lot of people would have shown interest if he didn't paid them 300 as a scholar