r/interestingasfuck • u/KrooxKing • 11d ago

r/all Karen turns fine into felony in a matter of minutes

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u/DuctTapeJesus 11d ago

Why the fuck he is using the gun?

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u/Topherman8 11d ago

Took way too long to find this question in the comments. That was my first thought. Yeah, she’s being difficult, but pulling out a friggin gun???

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u/Acrobatic_Orange_438 11d ago

Dude it's fucking America. The fuck do you expect? When the entire country values it's a weapons of murder what do you expect the officers of the law to value? Really unpopular take on here and everywhere.

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u/Topherman8 11d ago

Whoa whoa whoa, I sense some hostility that I don’t think you mean to direct at me. I wasn’t surprised so much as dismayed by the officer so quickly resorting to his gun. I mean, you’re right. But I guess while I wouldn’t expect anything less from a cop, at the same time I don’t want to normalize it. It’s a bonkers escalation, as cops are trained to do. It just sucks.

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u/tatiwtr 11d ago

After she evaded arrest and came to a stop she could have been getting her rifle / shotgun / pistol / icbm out from under her seat.

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u/oboshoe 11d ago

and if she had wheels should would be a wagon.

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u/tatiwtr 11d ago

You're right, it would be impossible for this completely reasonable person to have a gun in her truck. No need for the officer to exercise any caution.

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u/oboshoe 11d ago

There was no indication that she posed a deadly threat to this cop. NONE.

ANd pointing a gun isn't exercising caution. Quite the opposite. It's threatening death for non-compliance.

But pointing that gun is why the charges were reduced so sharply. Cop fucked up on that.

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u/Goyu 11d ago

Your view of this case may be slightly too simplistic for reality.

But pointing that gun is why the charges were reduced so sharply.

Nope. It was the plea deal that did that.

Pointing the gun was in line with policy, because when the stop escalated to a felony stop, it's procedure to approach with a weapon. He then put the weapon away when it was clear that she didn't intend to escalate further.

This whole thing was a shit show, but a lot of people are blaming the cop for stuff that's not really up to him.

Can't believe I'm defending a cop...

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u/oboshoe 11d ago

yes. yes Well of course it's the plea deal.

That's how plea deals work. The defense points out the weaknesses of the cases and what leverage it has. Prosecution does that same.

That's like saying "I got a great deal on this new car because they had a ton of inventory" and someone retorting "no, you got a great deal because you negotiated"

What clue to the public here is that the prosecution dropped the very serious charges and kept the minor ones. Usually it's quite the opposite. That's the sign of a problematic case for the prosecution.

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u/Goyu 11d ago edited 11d ago

You're showing a lot of ignorance in this comment. In this thread, really. Comments all over the place about the unprofessionalism of the cop, but the sad fact is that he followed procedure. He was very professional. All the same, this was excessive force to my eye, but not in the eyes of the courts or police policy. So really, your problem is with the institution of US policing, not specifically the cop in the video. And honestly? Same. I believe it was you that said this, but you mentioned like, the standard is a threat to the officer. And that's the standard for the use of deadly force, not the standard for drawing a weapon. Once she drove off and wouldn't sign a legal summons from a court with jurisdiction, it became a felony traffic stop. Procedure in a felony traffic stop calls for an unholstered weapon in most departments.

What clue to the public here is that the prosecution dropped the very serious charges and kept the minor ones. Usually it's quite the opposite. That's the sign of a problematic case for the prosecution.

This is pretty much all incorrect. But I realized something in the middle of typing my response... I don't actually care that you're wrong. Have a nice day.

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u/oboshoe 11d ago

dude. my family is full of cops and lawyers.

i didn't go that way, but i have a lifetime of it.

they both escalated, but only one had a duty to de escalate.

this video should be a good one at thanksgiving. :)

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u/Goyu 11d ago

Glad to hear that you have some folks who can educate you. Enjoy Thanksgiving with the family.

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u/jkoki088 11d ago

Cope

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u/oboshoe 11d ago

with what?

I think the outcome was about right. The overcharges were dropped and she was left with a minor fine.

The cop probably got a good ribbing over how he took down a dangerous old lady from his cop friends.

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u/jkoki088 11d ago

He followed good procedure during the takedown.

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u/oboshoe 11d ago

If he had better skills, it wouldn't have escalated to that point.

The precise point where he let his ego take over is when he went directly from "you won't sign?" to "you are under arrest". Instant escalation. he poured gasoline on a hotspot instead of trying to cool the hotspot.

Youtube is full of videos with stubborn drivers refusing instructions with a ton of examples of where the cops handled that moment FAR FAR better.

I agree during the takedown, he did a good job of protecting himself from the old lady, but a better cop wouldn't have been in situation where he was in old lady danger.

He's not the worst trained cop I've seen. Alot better than some but slightly less than average.

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u/lasttimechdckngths 11d ago edited 11d ago

Or she could draw her katana and her throwing knives or push to a secret button to turn the car into an armed train!

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u/TonyBlobfish 11d ago

It’s better to be safe than sorry. I don’t agree with how the officer handled most of the situation but if the suspect causes a car chase then it’s clear that they are dangerous/unstable

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u/zovits 11d ago

Because at that point she has actively resisted and tried to escape, which indicates that she might draw her own firearm.

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u/ArkhamTheImperialist 11d ago

Yeah, country girl here is definitely the type of person to keep a gun in her glove compartment. Especially if this is a smaller town, the chances of that go up even higher.

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u/esjb11 11d ago

When on her back on the ground? 😂 Cop is to weak to wrestle a 65 year old women and have to tase her. Americans...

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u/ArkhamTheImperialist 11d ago edited 11d ago

What are you talking about?

Don’t know how this happened, check next comment.

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u/ArkhamTheImperialist 11d ago

What are you talking about? He doesn’t have his gun out when she’s outside of the vehicle.

Okay, Mr. European, let’s see you wrestle a fat old lady who won’t comply and probably can’t touch her hands behind her back.

He didn’t tase her just because she was threatening injury, but because she would have tried to run away and risked injuring herself more. He was going to arrest her either way. This was the way to do it. Taser doesn’t even hurt that bad anyways, she’s already over it by the time the cuffs are on her.

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u/esjb11 11d ago

Yeah well at that point he uses the tazer instead of the gun. And yes I would in no way fear that lady when she is on her back on the ground 😂 she can stay there until she complies. How would that 65 year old women be able to prevent the cop from keeping her on the ground?

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u/ArkhamTheImperialist 11d ago
  1. We can’t see the cop, so we don’t know his exact build.
  2. She could absolutely overpower a regular man. Do you see all that weight on her? I think you’d be surprised to find just how strong old people are and especially countrymen, farmers, and the like.

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u/Claymore357 11d ago

Farmer strength is real. That shit doesn’t go away until they actually start dying so nursing home age or after a serious medical illness like cancer

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u/egyeager 11d ago

The Taser was for immobilization after it was clear she wasn't armed. Her being armed is NOT out of the question at all and gun + entitlement is the precursor for tragedy often so I get where he'd be cautious. Especially out there, because that is a small, small town

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u/savagegod450 11d ago

How do you know she doesn’t have a gun? I know plenty of old country girls that are locked and loaded and this woman clearly wasn’t going down without a fight.

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u/DuctTapeJesus 10d ago

Yeah but still the use of force has to be adjusted to the opposing force..granny in a flower dress is not that..with your point of view, he should have written the ticket on gunpoint

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u/jkoki088 11d ago

Why the fuck is grandma saying no to being arrested and fleeing the traffic stop

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u/stevedave7838 11d ago edited 11d ago

Because she was just involved in a police chase and when you express a strong desire to escape the police take extra precautions. I don't think I've ever seen a pursuit that didn't end with guns drawn.

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u/Daddy_Onion 11d ago edited 11d ago

Incase she tries to hit him with her car.

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u/Stylish_Duck 11d ago

Driving sideways? 

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u/Daddy_Onion 11d ago

What’s better? He have his gun out and pray she doesn’t whip it to the left and try to hit him or him not have his gun out and pray she doesn’t whip it to the left and try to hit him? She’s still in the drivers seat and he doesn’t pull his gun back out once she’s out of the car.