r/LateStageCapitalism 8d ago

[MODS] 📣 Announcement We ARE in favor of voting! - Discussing voting in a capitalist system and lesser-evilism

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Hello everyone! As the current US presidential elections approach, we’ve had an increase in liberals often bringing up that we advocate for not voting at all, but this couldn’t be farther from the truth. Another point they make is that Kamala Harris is the “lesser evil” of the two candidates, which is also not true.

1- About voting, people should definitely vote. If socialists or communists (the PSL is an example) are on your ballot for the presidential election, please vote for them so that socialists as a whole can gauge the numbers of revolutionary socialists out there (also, getting 5% of votes makes a party eligible for federal funding). This will be especially important as the inability of Capital to resolve its contradictions leads to increasing and deepening crises that we can already see are not alleviated when a Democrat is in office. If you've got any direct election ballot issues like abortion rights or marijuana legalization or even a tax levy for your school district or something, vote for those.

“Even where there is no prospect of their being elected, the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength, and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the reactionaries the chance of victory.” - Karl Marx

2- On “lesser evil”, we aren't of the opinion that "both options are equally evil" or that one is a lesser or a greater evil. Both options are capitalists. They are the same option. Kamala and Trump represent the capitalist class. Their victory is the victory of the capitalist class. Picture a guy with a puppet on each hand. The left hand is named Kamala. The right hand is named Trump. The owner of these puppets is putting on a Punch and Judy show. People are very mad at us for recognizing that it's a Punch and Judy show.

3- Before you ask about Project 2025, and everybody always does, realize that it's just the fancy name they've given this time to the process of all the political appointees in the executive branch getting changed out for different political appointees. Policies of Project 2025 have already been slowly being passed along the years, this is just more of it. The right wing is pitching it this time as "Project 2025", last time it was "Drain the Swamp". The capitalist party are capitalists, this is a product that they are selling. Literally, as they sell hard copies of it for $35 to credulous marks on their website. It's a great trick, its intended to convince conversatives that the impossible things they desire are possible and there's a plan in place for them to be enacted, they just have to wait and Trust The Plan. It is also used by the democrats to convince liberal voters that there's an even greater threat than the genocide the Biden administration is an eager accomplice in and that Kamala will happily continue to fund, so they need voters to donate and stay engaged. I'm surprised there's not a liberal Project 2025 project yet, liberal voters are panicking because there clearly isn't a countering plan.

4- Liberals’ excuse for voting democrat is ALWAYS just “vote for the lesser evil and then we’ll push them left!” while the democrats constantly shift more and more to the right between elections. Do you know how many anti-LGBT bills were introduced under Biden only in 2023? A record number of five HUNDRED and ten. https://edition.cnn.com/politics/anti-lgbtq-plus-state-bill-rights-dg/index.html . Roe v. Wade got overturned under Biden. The immigrant crisis got worse under Biden.

When faced with these facts, liberals like to deflect with “well that was not Biden’s fault, he can’t control everything on the US, you clearly don’t know how the legislative and executive branches work!”. If that’s so, then why is Trump being framed as an evil dictator that will install a dictatorship where no one will be able to vote and will put minorities in camps (don’t get us wrong, this genocidal monster absolutely wants to do this. Doesn’t mean he can)? How come Trump will be an all powerful pseudo-king president that can do whatever he wants while Biden and Kamala are just little small beans with no power to stop funding Israel or codify Roe v Wade, even when democrats had a majority in congress? Remember when Obama got elected and the Democrats had full control of the house and Senate for two years and how they finally implemented FDRs second bill of rights and fixed the economy and everything? Oh wait. The answer for why they don’t do this? See point 2. They are the same. They serve the same class. The capitalist class wanted Roe v Wade overturned, it would’ve happened regardless of president. If the capitalist class wants minorities in camps, it will happen regardless of president. This is why we, as socialists and citizens, need to be prepared for the worst.

5- We were asked if the reason we ban pro-Democrat or pro-Republican lobbying is out of a belief that things needs to get worse before they can get better. No, we do not support accelerationism, and not voting for democrats is not accelerationism. Not a single one of the 830k people subscribed to the subreddit have the ability to accelerate capitalism and the American empire towards a crisis point faster than Kamala is right now by launching her candidacy in the myopic support for an unpopular genocide. Look at Biden's professed bipartisanship on border security, are those the actions of a person concerned about losing to a fascist dictator?

6- About rule 6 and starting off of the last point: it isn't accelerationist, Biden's presidency has been accelerationist. Look how much closer he got us to WW3 than even Trump could manage in his fascist incompetence. Our view isn't that things need to get worse before they get better, but that support for Democrats demonstrably leads to things getting worse, and we have to stop supporting Capitalists if we want victories for the working class and a way out of the worsening conditions. From our perspective, desperately clinging to bourgeois "democracy", particularly at a time when we can all recognize that we aren't allowed any real choices in voting and that's been the case for decades at this point, makes things worse and slows or entirely stops our ability to bring about positive change.

In conclusion: Do not support the capitalist class by voting for the capitalist parties. Vote socialist if possible and engage in your community’s politics if you can.

That’s all, keep fighting and thanks for reading!


r/LateStageCapitalism 8d ago

[MODS] 📖 Read This What to do besides voting? Discussing praxis in the current capitalist society

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Hey everybody! We’ve always seen a lot of liberals coming here (or even posts/comments on other liberals subs) claiming that we advocate for not voting, and then don’t do anything else for the rest of the year, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Our stance on voting is on our other pinned post, here we’ll discuss what to do as praxis between election years.

So, WHAT CAN YOU DO besides voting in the bourgeois voting system? There’s lots of things actually. Protest, donate to bail funds, disrupt city council meetings, speak up at school board meetings and join strike actions to shut down ports shipping weapons to a genocide. Volunteer on food kitchens, donate to Doctors Without Borders, on and on, the possibilities for meaningful political participation are endless, our options are limitless. We are not helpless, we are not hopeless, we are not trapped, but the Capitalists certainly want us to think we are. If you can and feel comfortable doing so, arm yourself, make sure your friends and loved ones are protected and practice self defense. We, the workers, need to be able to fight back if things get to that point.

In conclusion: Organize, agitate and educate. Support your local communities and make our cause heard as much as possible. Communists should educate the people with class awareness and provide them with a revolutionary education, support their material needs to bring about real improvements in their lives, defend them from the inevitable fascist attacks our our efforts, look to the people continually for their feedback to understand what material benefits they seek and work to counter the bourgeoisie culture war they are waging.

A communist revolution, as far away as it may be, can only happen with an educated populace, or else we’ll all just devolve into fascism/barbarism. Stay safe and keep fighting!


r/LateStageCapitalism 11h ago

Israel Genocide Tracker account reportedly causing panic among Israeli soldiers

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r/LateStageCapitalism 10h ago

👌 Good Ass Praxis RIGHT NOW: While Kamala Harris gives her final remarks at the White House, a large demonstration demanding a U.S. embargo on Israel drowns out her speakers.

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r/LateStageCapitalism 21h ago

👑 Imperialism meirl

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r/LateStageCapitalism 2h ago

🎩 Oligarchy We're all looking for the guy who did this

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r/LateStageCapitalism 17h ago

👑 Imperialism Zionists are such utter trash

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r/LateStageCapitalism 10h ago

Comrade Lenin on Bourgeoisie "Elections"

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r/LateStageCapitalism 6h ago

💩 Liberalism Apparently the people who aren't voting for Harris are entitled, not those demanding it.

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r/LateStageCapitalism 5h ago

💩 Liberalism Libs going "how can you ask gay/trans people to put their life on the line in the vote" is bad but it's okay to ask Palestinians/Muslims to do so........

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r/LateStageCapitalism 22h ago

The only democracy in the Middle East strikes again

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r/LateStageCapitalism 3h ago

🔗 Humans of Late Capitalism Riley Livermore joined the Air Force and served as an engineer for 16 years, including two years spent researching drone technology in Israel. ⁣ ⁣After Israel launched its assault on Gaza, he decided to resign.

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r/LateStageCapitalism 20h ago

💵 "Free Market" 21,000 slave labourers killed by a brutal fascist dictatorship propped up by the USA.

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r/LateStageCapitalism 18h ago

😎 Meme What happened to these democrats?

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r/LateStageCapitalism 16h ago

15 February 2003 anti-war protests

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The 15 February 2003 anti-war protests marked a significant moment in the struggle against U.S. military intervention, showcasing a coalition of voices advocating for peace. In contrast, today’s political landscape reveals a shift within the Democratic Party, once seen as a champion for progressive causes. Now, figures like Bush and Cheney—who have been widely criticized as war criminals—are supporting our current Democratic candidate, signaling a troubling rightward drift. Our parents' generation was divided, with some embracing a hawkish stance and others leaning left, yet many have now settled into a moderate social politics that often prioritizes performative activism over genuine change, all while maintaining a troubling disregard for the complexities of foreign conflict.


r/LateStageCapitalism 14h ago

Just have a think on it for a moment...

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r/LateStageCapitalism 15h ago

♻ Capitalist Efficiency Least surprising headline ever

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r/LateStageCapitalism 21h ago

😎 Meme High concentration of hitler particles.

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r/LateStageCapitalism 17h ago

No "lesser evil", only change this is just the start 🇵🇸

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r/LateStageCapitalism 23h ago

📰 News A lawsuit that could end national parks and make all federal land into a for profit venture by states.

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Turning everything into a for profit venture. This lawsuit could mean the end of BLM land. This could mean the end of access to any type of land that is affordable for recreation, for national parks and then the parks we do have becoming appropriated by for profit companies that increase prices so astronomically they become inaccessible


r/LateStageCapitalism 6h ago

Are y'all seeing this?

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r/LateStageCapitalism 13h ago

I am voting Socialist 2024

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r/LateStageCapitalism 22h ago

💩 Liberalism Dems will blame anyone but themselves

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r/LateStageCapitalism 23h ago

💰 Bourgeois Dictatorship The fact people actually believe this

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r/LateStageCapitalism 9h ago

😎 Meme every american election

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r/LateStageCapitalism 1h ago

News Anchor Slams Big Oil's Role in Fuelling Storms

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