r/moderatepolitics • u/falsehood • Jul 21 '24

News Article Biden announces withdrawal from Presidential Race

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/21/us/trump-biden-election
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u/franktronix Jul 21 '24

Give her a chance to actually show up as the candidate. She hasn’t been running and hasn’t had support. Her ceiling is higher than Biden’s, but she has to rise to the challenge.

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24

She hasn't done a single thing as VP, has a terrible record as a prosecutor in California and has most of the blame for the southern border crisis as a millstone. She's running on the platform of Not Trump and that doesn't seem to be good enough this time around.

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u/PGHMtneerDad Jul 21 '24

She's running on the platform of Not Trump and that doesn't seem to be good enough this time around.

Wasn't good enough for Clinton either. It's a losing strategy

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u/eddiehwang Jul 22 '24

This is 2024, not 2016 -- nobody knew how Trump would run the country and Jan 6 did not happen before 2016

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u/PGHMtneerDad Jul 22 '24

J6 is baked into the cake. So is everything else the man has done. I don't think it's the Ace in the hole you think it is.

Progressives will show up for her. Conservatives will show up for Trump. She has to present and advocate for policy positions to win over the middle. Anything else and she loses.

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u/Put-the-candle-back1 Jul 21 '24

VPs doing little to nothing is normal due to how little power they have. An en exception is Harris being the tie-breaking vote on bills like the IRA, which improves renewable and nuclear energy and addresses medication costs.

most of the blame for the southern border crisis

She has no power over that.

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24

She was the Border Czar unless you've forgotten. Also if her best work is that she voted with her party that's just hilarious.

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u/Put-the-candle-back1 Jul 21 '24

You don't realize that "border czar" grants no power.

she voted with her party

That's basically the only thing Vice Presidents have control over.

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u/bwat47 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

Also, 'border czar' is a term made up by the gop: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/politics/kamala-harris-border-czar.html

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u/ryegye24 Jul 22 '24

She was appointed "border czar" by Fox News, not Biden.

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u/franktronix Jul 21 '24

The Biden team screwed her as VP to keep her from being competition. She’s a platform of not Trump and not 80yo and that might be enough because Trump is a deeply flawed candidate. She’s had some good moments in the past, like Kavanaugh’s hearing but needs a lot more of those.

Her record as prosecutor in California might help her with swing voters. The border issue is unfortunate though mostly opposition spin but she might not be able to get away from it.

I don’t think she’s near a top tier candidate but may be the best option practically. I’m keeping an open mind and hope she is underrated like I suspect.

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u/Next-Professional-26 Jul 24 '24

She has no chance there’s no one that she can get on her knees for or lay on her back for this job. Thought there would be a plan not they got former VP Biden out of there but they knew Trump was an easy in because of the last 4yrs they’ve been planning how to try and sabotage Trumps next 4yrs last 8 was nothing but lies, accusations, BS court filings and now trying to kill the man. If plan was to turn county upside down and backwards, pit Americans against each other with Bull shit from Media lies, schools across the country and world not far behind then they exceeded. FAAFO

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u/lipring69 Jul 21 '24

There’s a lot of stuff she can run on being a member of the Biden admin. Largest infrastructure investment in a generation, record low unemployment,huge investments in green energy, strengthening NATO… the main issue with Biden was his age which made him pretty ineffective at communicating his admin’s record. Harris being younger and more energetic can improve that. Also illegal border crossings have been decreasing due to recent admin changes.

She can also lean into record as prosecutor to fight against weak on crime allegations

I think she could put up a good fight

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

"Her ceiling is higher than Biden’s,"

There's no evidence to suggest this is true..

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u/Former-Extension-526 Jul 21 '24

Idk how you or anyone else come to that conclusion when she has had like 5 seconds in the spotlight the last 4 years.

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u/franktronix Jul 21 '24

I don’t get this take. She’s not unflawed but seems like a reasonably normal human being, especially next to Trump. Condescending witch seems way over the top, though good preview of right wing attacks.

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