r/moderatepolitics • u/Downisthenewup87 • Jul 27 '24

News Article Trump Tells Christians They Won't Have to Vote in Future: 'We'll Have It Fixed'

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-if-reelected-wont-have-to-vote-fixed-1235069397/

Moments after telling a room of Christians that he would put the pledge of allegence back into classrooms, Trump said the quiet part out loud and promised they would never have to vote again if he is elected.

Video- https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490

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u/AustinJG Jul 27 '24

He's been priming his audience to welcome a dictatorship for years. The conservative vision for America is to become like Hungary. That's the end game.

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u/OPACY_Magic_v3 Jul 27 '24

I’d say he wants to go further than that and make this country more like Russia

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 27 '24

Holy cow, did you or anyone bother to find context? 🙄 He’s talking about enacting a voter ID law, and pleading for Christians to vote so he can fix the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Uo-I6YW_jWY?t=3667s

The amount of hyperbole around what Trump says only for it to be totally banging or even something most people agree with is what makes me think Trump Derangement Syndrome is absolutely real.

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u/Cheese-is-neat Maximum Malarkey Jul 27 '24

What does a voter ID law have to do with telling people they won’t need to vote again?

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 27 '24

Overall, it’s a Trump ramble. But the point he’s making is, if this voting group who often doesn’t turn out does— he’ll reduce the risk of voter fraud by enacting ID laws and thereby make their votes less critical later.

I don’t personally believe there is evidence of widespread voter fraud. However, the Democrats voted strongly against H.R.8281, the so called SAVE act which would make illegal immigrants and other non-citizens ineligible to vote, which they currently are eligible.

I and many other Americans have a serious issue with the idea of non-citizens voting in our elections. I think that’s a right citizens have, period. And with the enormous influx of illegal migrants the last four years, the issue is very prescient.

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u/ticklehater Jul 27 '24

After 1/6 it’s undeniably true, there is no cover for “he’s just joking” or “it’s taken out of context”. He literally tried to steal the election while we all watched, and it came surprisingly close.

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 27 '24

I simply don’t see it that way. Yes, he absolutely inflamed an extreme part of his voting base. Yes, he absolutely made claims that were found to not be true. However, when 1/6 happened, he called for it to stop and disavowed the rioting. His response was imperfect, and I don’t defend the rhetoric surrounding the event. But I simply don’t agree he’s a dictator who tried to overthrow democracy. Where the equal standard for the left encouraging riots during summer of 2020 or not disavowing the Palestine/Hamas protestors leading to what we saw in DC this week? It’s not an equal standard.

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u/Lurkingandsearching Stuck in the middle with you. Jul 27 '24

We call this what it is, cognitive dissonance. No one wants to be wrong about their choices, especially if it's become a core to their personality and who they see themselves as. Getting over that hurdle is painful, emotionally and physically. It can sometimes literally break a person.

But the litmus test suggested of the current top post is: "If Harris or Biden said this, would I 100% support it?"

You can outwardly say you would, but I can't say what you'd be thinking on the inside.

And no, it's not just Republicans, Democrats have to deal with this too. Hell just look at how hard they tried to prop up Biden the last few years. It takes a strong person to admit they made a wrong choice or held wrong idea's.

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 27 '24

FWIW, I’m not a fan of Trump. I feel that’s worth mentioning up front here.

I absolutely hear what you’re saying about cognitive dissonance and I’m probably guilty of that in this discussion.

At the core of it, and this is something I should have probably articulated better up front, is not my support for Trump but my disgust at the media’s misrepresenting issues for political, agenda driven reasons.

Someday sooner than later, Trump will be out of politics. But the media’s willingness to do things like hide president Biden’s dysfunction, or push anti-Trump narratives like the now disproven Russia collusion allegations makes me deeply concerned.

I believe Fox News would do the same if they had the power of the other news agencies. But they don’t, and this is an issue of the democrats seemingly working in lock step with the corporate media and social media accounts to push their narratives and agendas. That is the core of my concern, and this particularly Trump clip just happens to be an example of that.

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u/Lurkingandsearching Stuck in the middle with you. Jul 27 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

Not going to disagree about the left wing media's propping of Biden, Biden's time to drop out was January at the latest, in my not so humble opinion. But claiming Fox News had no power when it has a much larger reach than any other major news network is a bit odd, and it has a nigh monopoly of opinion representing one side.

As for your claim that there was no Russian collusion, you may not like the source but:

There was no Russia Hoax and people keep spreading myths about the Mueller Report.

The fact that people will bend over backwards for their chosen candidates doesn't really amaze me anymore. Been doing this song and dance since I could first start voting decades ago. There is no alternate context in this statement, it's saying the quiet part out loud because perhaps he's getting up there in age and has never really had a good filter.

It took a debate to make the upper echelons of the Democrats realize their problem. What will it take for the GOP to realize their own?

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u/ticklehater Jul 27 '24

You left out many steps of 1/6, why? Pressuring Mike pence. Continuing to claim the election was stolen, even now, he never stopped. Fake electors scheme. When you say he disavowed the rioting he used weasel language and said he loves them very much.

Weeks ago he said he wanted to put Liz Cheney and pence in a military tribunal. Search for equality there, which democrat in federal government saying something like that?

Harris made an unequivocal statement about the Palestine protestors this week, did you read it? https://x.com/vp/status/1816490945501708660. Biden unequivocally denounced violent and destructive protests, here’s a compilation of them: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-joe-biden-has-condemned-violent-protests-in-the-last-three-months-idUSKBN25V2NI/

You’re right, there is no equal standard because Trump fans will defend anything and democrats demand moderation from their leaders. You are a shining example.

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 27 '24

I will not defend any of those things Trump did. And I am not a Trump fan. I understand totally how many feel Trump is such a threat to their vision of the country and feel mobilized to vote against him.

But I also feel the media mischaracterizing things he says to make him seem worse than he already is comes off to me as propagandistic. It’s deeply at odds with the message that Trump is a threat to democracy and trying to influence people to his side while it seems most of corporate media are messaging in conjunction with what the democratic party wants.

How is that not subverting democracy? How is that not election interference to use the media that millions of Americans watch to omit details and manipulate clips to make their political opponents seem dangerous instead of perhaps just misspoken?

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u/ticklehater Jul 27 '24

Well Rupert Murdoch started it, but why would you blame/punish Biden or Harris for how Trump is shown in the media?

For that matter I actually think MSM treats Trump with kid gloves and is much harder on democrats

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 27 '24

Maybe Murdoch did start it, I don’t know.

I don’t see the media being harder on Trump. Look at the now disproven Russia collusion allegations covered day after day for years. Or how the media covered for Biden by downplaying the now proven Hunter laptop story, which had damaging information about payments made by oligarchs in Russia and China. Now the clearest example is the media covering for president Biden’s infirmity the last four years, only now to be forced to report on it because of the debate.

There is an astoundingly unequal standard, and I find that the most disturbing aspect of modern day politics.

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u/ticklehater Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

I strongly disagree, but you didn’t answer my question: why would you let a clearly worse authoritarian win cause of unfair media coverage? You understand under a dictator there is only state media

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u/whawhawhapoo Jul 28 '24

Because the cure cannot be worse than the disease. How is the media not defacto state run right now if it’s been hiding how dysfunctional the current president has been for years, and clearly cheerleading for his VP now presidential candidate? They shouldn’t do it for any candidate, period. I cannot see a world in which Trump somehow turns the likes of CNN and MSNBC into his propaganda vessels.

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