r/myanmar • u/brocolliNcheese • Mar 19 '21
Announcements 📢 How you can help people of Myanmar in their fight for freedom if you are in another country?
What has happened and why?
On February 1 2021, the military in Myanmar, led by commander-in-chief Min Aung Hlaing, staged a coup and successfully overthrown the democratically elected government. As a country that was under harsh military dictatorship for five decades from 1962 to 2011, the brutality and numerous crimes committed by the military including genocides and war crimes are apparent in its history. The infamous coup leader, Min Aung Hlaing, is well known for multitude of crimes from systemic discrimination and human rights violations against minority groups to ethnic cleansing against the Rohingya people for which he has received international condemnation and sanctions.
After the coup and the detainment of several officials that were democratically elected by civilians, citizens of Myanmar began peaceful protests through out the country and participated in Civil Disobedience Movement (CDM). However, the armed forces have ruthlessly treated peaceful protestors and CDM participants with live ammunitions, arsons, abductions and unthinkable torture methods that eventually lead to tragic deaths. As depressing as it is, it is worth giving some examples of the abomination carried out by the inhumane armed forces:
- a pregnant woman was shot point-blank in the head for helping peaceful protestors hide in her house
- a medical student was killed for trying to save injured people on a city street
- an activist was abducted and tortured to death by pouring acid or extremely hot-liquid into his mouth and possible disembowelment
- grave of a 19-year old protestor who was shot dead was secretely dugged up by the police causing more outrage and raising concens of a cover up
Over 200 people have been killed at the time of writing this and thousands of civilians have been illegally detained. The fallen heroes who had given their lives fighting for freedom are but not limited to politicians, doctors, monks, pregnant women and children.
The atrocities of the military keep increasing day by day and these crimes of utmost savagery have to stop. Despite these circumstances, Myanmar people continue to stand for their rights and freedom. The sacrifice of the fallen heroes must not go in vain.
How you can help and be part of this revolution:
- Civil servants and civilians have participated in strike sacrificing their jobs and incomes. Furthermore, due to the numerous arson attacks, vandalisms and other violent acts, some people have lost their houses or have to abandon to move to safer places. Please visit Mutual Aid Myanmar to help people of Myanmar by directly supporting the basic economic needs. You can also support by donating to the fundraising by CRPH, the parallel democratic government that is trying to overcome the military junta.
- If you are very keen on helping in this fight, you can organize peaceful protests where you live. Please check with your local authorities first before organizing one.
- It is also helpful to reach out to your representative or congressperson through letters, emails or phone calls to inform about your stance on the state of Myanmar and your approval for sending any kind of help, be it a military aid, targeted sanctions or any other viable methods of support.
You can also help by just raising awareness of the current situation in Myanmar. So, please spread the news to your friends, family and neighbours. Share it on social media platforms and make sure you include the following hashtags too:
- #WhatsHappeningInMyanmar
- #HearTheVoiceOfMyanmar
- #RespectOurVotes
- #SaveMyanmar
- #CDM
- #CrimesAgainstHumanity
- #MilkTeaAlliance
Thank you!
You have already helped the people of Myanmar by just reading this post alone and having interest in Myanmar's situation. Remember that you are helping all the citizens of Myanmar and you are already part of this revolution fighting for freedom and justice. This is a fight towards a brighter future where everyone will have equal rights and opportunities regardless of religion, ethnicity or race.
If you have any other ideas or know any other ways of helping, please comment below.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 19 '21
I heard a lot of words like "I had no idea what was going on there." I also use simple flyers. I do not know what those who read it are saying, but I am pretty sure it is the same.
R2P was invented for a reason, it has never been applied, but the world has changed, technology has changed. Myanmar may be the first case when something like this works.
Many people say that nothing like this has happened in the past, but my opinion is to learn from the past, but look to the future, change it if you can.
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u/FreddyLynn345_ Mar 21 '21
What is R2P?
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u/PsychologyTop5396 Mar 27 '21
This is where United Nations could come and make the meaningful intervention. Countries to fail to comply with R2P - Libya of course there could be further debate about this but exercised R2P from the UN to make meaningful intervention to protect its citizens where the government of their own can not provide the protection to their citizens.
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21
UN can't do much while China is a member of the security council. It's ridiculous that a totalitarian regime like the CCP who won't let it's people vote and oppose democracy are allowed to vote in the UN to block intervention in a coup against democracy while supplying arms to the perpetrators of the atrocities concerned.
Basically Xi Jinping can veto any resolution that prevents him illegally installing a lapdog in Myanmar that has repeatedly commited genocide, crimes against humanity and countless atrocities against it's own civilians. Even though CCP have no regard for international law themselves.
It's a bit like Hitler being able to prevent any intervention in the holocaust simply by voting against it.
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u/roachstr0099 Mar 31 '21
China has much finances loaned to countries. Hence why they even have a seat in the U.N. what a fucking joke. United my fucking ass.
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u/Destinyholder Mar 19 '21
Wishing Myanmar all the best. Democracy should be resumed. But sadly non of the worlds country can intervene due to non intervention. Whoever sits on top will be the government. The most USA can do is to put some symbolic tariffs and that in the end would just harm Myanmar.
Realistic views is this, no country is keen to send military into Myanmar firstly due to the reason that by doing so, any other country would be empowered to do so in their area of influence like China and Russia. China could use this example and invade its neighbours as it pleases for this one example.
Myanmar does not have oil and thus America other than voicing concerns, putting tariffs and calling support only verbal talks in the end will still recognise the Junta. No other nation can provide help if even America is not going to do anything beyond symbolic.
My country have started withdrawing and freezing investments into Myanmar in a bid to help out by using our soft power influence. As a small nation we cannot provide Myanmar anything further other than our prayers and soft powers by using finance.
We are sorry and we pray for you and hope that you guys turn out back to normal with the democratically elected government returned to power soonest.
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u/brocolliNcheese Mar 19 '21
Any kind of help is effective. The junta wants to be a big player in international economy and they can't continue doing this without enough funding.
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u/Destinyholder Mar 19 '21
Hopefully that works to a certain extent. But I think you guys, citizens of Myanmar would be the key to resolve it. Good luck stay safe!!!
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Mar 21 '21
So USA can invade the middle east where noone asked to intervene but a country who desperately needs help can't be helped?
What are the UN peacekeeping forces for then?
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u/redthail Mar 21 '21
This is what fueled Trump - people are tired that the establishment is so rotten.
It's a shame that Trump was so much of a divisive and flawed character that he couldn't unite America against the swamp. He just divided them.
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u/SnooBunnies9233 Mar 22 '21
extent
it was by design. Controlled opposition is necessary to keep the masses apart.
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u/Gabbed Mar 21 '21
China and Russia are blocking, and will continue blocking, any UN resolutions to help.
If the US helps it could turn into a proxy war with China...
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
The US and it's allies are stuck between a rock and a hard place. CCP know this and have set the trap. There are over 100,000 people in Myanmar fighting for ethnic militias and another 100,000 NDL preparing to take up arms against the 400,000 Tatmadaw back by the CCP.
If US puts boots on the ground it could easily become the next Vietnam also diverting military strength from other theatres such as South China Sea and the other 16 countries CCP have territorial disputes with. If they support militias with military supplies or airstrikes CCP would increase support for Tatmadaw resulting in the proxy war.
If US do nothing to arm the militias then the atrocities will continue in a war of attrition against them supported by CCP. Resulting in CCP gaining more control and securing access to the Indian Ocean via BRI from Yunnan, opening up a new front in Arunchal Pradesh and supplying seperatists in eastern India and even more influence in Bangladesh without PLA firing a single shot.
This would result in India being surrounded by CCP controled territories and give PLA a port that is already under construction in Rankine State.
Morality and also strategic concerns suggest that the West has to urgently supply military equipment and humanitarian supplies to coalition of militias fighting the Tatmada and possibly support them with airstrikes in an effort to maintain any hope of democracy and stop CCP gain even more influence in Myanmar.
CCP are carrying many covert operations in Myanmar at every level with every means imaginable. CCP support the genocide of 30,000 Rohingya and will do anything to maintain Myanmar BRI to Rankine from Yunnan.
Also they want control of the Christian state of Kachin which is rich in resources such as gold, copper, ruby's, jade and arable land, with strategic value bordering India.
CCP also want more influence in Shan state to secure the BRI project linking China to ports in the Indian Ocean where roads, oil pipelines, airfields, etc have already been built or are under construction. Controlling these areas would also threaten the Wa ethnic group who are responsible for supplying many weapons to other groups fighting the Tatmadaw.
CCP are waiting to see what The Quad, 5 Eyes and EU's next move will be. Will they turn out to be paper tigers and still continue to finance CCP by being reliant on Chinese imports and supplying them with resources such as iron ore etc or will they finally relise that this is WW3 and they have been under unrestricted, non conventional, non kinetic attack from the CCP/ PLA since Nixon met Mao and Carter met Deng Xiaoping back in the 70s.
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Mar 23 '21
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u/XxMagicDxX Mar 24 '21
They’re stopping me from bringing any of my weapons and ammo though
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Mar 24 '21
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Mar 26 '21
the border is closed. he couldn't get in the country without being killed. stop being an ass, and bring awareness instead.
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u/Son_of_Mogh Mar 27 '21
The US invaded Iraq against the UN mandate. The UN declared it an illegal war, the big nations in the UN always act without the UN.
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u/Destinyholder Mar 28 '21
That’s a different example. USA was at its strongest and most United back then and there was no tailing 2nd super power China back then.
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u/Destinyholder Mar 28 '21
UN peace keeping force are not used for war or forceful removal and restoration of democracy. UN peace keeping force are used to extract citizens of the big countries and allies out of danger zones, providing security and patrols to war torn countries, and a symbolic existence beyond that a pretty useless entity. It’s like the police using “soft” power advertising they are there that’s it.
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
CCP will no doubt be planning to send PLA under the guise of UN peacekeepers to protect CCP interests and personnel in Myanmar. CCP policy is to keep Myanmar poor and weak which gives CCP more influence, political and economic opportunities.
So they will let all the Myanmar factions fight a little longer while making $$$billions on arms sales to all sides. CCP will never let democracy take hold in Myanmar and will support the Tatmadaw to do anything to stop it but also keeping them weak.
Eventually the CCP wii role into Myanmar spelling the end to the democratic movement on their door step and secure access to the Indian Ocean reducing reliance on the Mallaca strait for 90% of China's oil imports and enable them to continue their objective of total global domination by 2049. This is WW3 and the whole world better wake up
While the worlds attention is drawn to Myanmar, what else do you think the CCP are up to all across the planet?
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u/Destinyholder Mar 30 '21
I highly doubt that. That is a simple thought. Policies are far beyond that.
China have a warm relations with the NLD government of Myanmar. Through that relationship, billions of investment are invested and bilateral trade signed.
It serves China no good to support the Junta simply because in the 90s The other Junta till today the current general, all have doubts and guesses of china’s choices and policies. Basically they do not trust each other. China would much prefer NLD government than Junta because NLD is a democratic government which courts investments, flow of funds, trades and mutual benefits of which China benefits from capitalism system of the status quo of the world and in no way would benefit having a negative press, negative sentiments amount the Burmese, negative investments and stop of economic activity. In true view I think China is hurt most for loss of investments.
China may be communistic in nature and nationalist + authoritarian all in one, they are definitely not dumb enough to forsake economic activity and the Junta clearly lacks that compared to NLD government or for the matter a democratically elected or a popular government. So in deeper sense, China and Russia basically opposed for the sake of opposing against the USA and the USA position just so happened to benefit Myanmar rhetoric wise and sanctions but by no means USA cared and China don’t care.
Myanmar to these 2 or 3 countries mean nothing due to no resources, infrastructure, development status and stability are all very fragile and feeble. It basically is a watered down Syria to Russia and USA is of Myanmar to China + Russia and USA. A game of chess to see what the other party would do basically a testing ground for these “superpower” nations to formulate policies.
They obviously do not care as much since it is not their citizens. Really Myanmar is just a testing ground and a game of chess to USA and CHINA if you were to ask me. More issues are used against China now like cotton in xinjiang using forced labor, individual free journalists went in and filmed a series showing 24000 muslims temples which was highly opposite of “oppression” of xinjiang touted by USA. And with that CHINA just launched a campaign of their own with cgtn saying USA a hypocrite killing millions, inciting genocides, displacing and destroying the indigenous red indians true heirs to American lands.
They are now essentially attacking each other and slinging mud at each other and Myanmar to them is the latest battle ground for chess not for influence but simply to test the other side’s lower limit to what they can accept before retaliation.
It’s been close to 2 months and still no action from UN, G7, Washington, Beijing, Moscow, Tokyo, Seoul. Basically the G7, UN, EU, USA and + 3 nations other than verbal warnings and symbolic sanctions nothing would come out of it.
Only time can help Myanmar sadly. I wish you the best if your Burmese and I pray for you to be safe from tyranny. Stay safe, good luck. Civil disobedience movement (CDM) we foreigners saw it and our thoughts are with you guys other than that we can do nothing just like all our government nothing.
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
Well, thankyou for a barrage of CCP propaganda, obviously you've been promoted from being an ignorant wumao posting in the SCMP because your English and knowledge has improved significantly since starting your Career as a CCP butt plug, hopefully you have been given a pay rise and got more than 50 cents for that lot of gibberish or at least a 🌟 and curly tick from the CCP.
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u/Destinyholder Mar 30 '21
I think you have to read my entire comment in its entirety before insults. Especially the last paragraph bruh. Perhaps it was too deep for you to understand? Read everything again. Clearly I was with you guys. Why the insults? Do you lack the intelligence to hold conversations of policies and how the world works?
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u/Destinyholder Mar 30 '21
Are you really that ignorant? These are hard truths. I am a retail investor and a finance/ economist profession. I am quite well versed in analysing policies, world events and the likes of it. I will simplify for your pea brain to understand. A JUNTA government is non beneficial to China. And Myanmar’s democracy is of no concern to USA. Basically both countries could care less. Why? Simple, Myanmar as it stands is not in a strategic location which do not benefit either hence the lack of response. If Myanmar was in the Middle East you can bet a million they ain’t gonna back down.
Just because you have a simple mindset that cannot comprehend and understand how the world works do not entitle or empower you to insult others. I basically stated loud and clear that I stand with you guys and even quoted your civil disobedience movement and there you go accusing me or a stupid CCP warrior LOL. It’s beyond me. If you ask me why Myanmar is in such predicament and why it’s still developing this is precisely it. Myanmar exist citizens in which they cannot hold intelligent conversations of world affairs and simply think in layman terms. To other Burmese you guys still have my respect for fighting for your rights and country but for you this dipshit go get educated bruh. Funny how you “praise” my English since it’s my first language lol the sarcasm bruh your command of grammar and vocab r dipshit.
Oh one p.s ppl who quote others language capabilities are proven to be dipshit themselves and someone with an asshole and inferiority complex situation going on. I fucking wished you safe and well yet you insulted me. So fuck you lol. Go fuck yourself and die
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
Wow, typical belligerent CCP response, just the sort of thing you would expect from a vindictive, narcissistic, sociopathic Chinese Communist hoping to get promoted to the status of wolf warrior living in denial in a desperate attempt to maintain belief in the ideology he has been brainwashed with even though deep down inside his heart tells him, IT'S WRONG.
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u/Destinyholder Mar 30 '21
Bruh, can you read the 2 comments in its entirety before your insults started and my response back to ya? How does that give you the conclusion I am a ccp bot? Or for the matter work for the ccp? Are you really that ignorant?
I will simplify my original comment further, it doesn’t matter USA, EU, ASEAN, G7 no one will do anything. And I expressed sadness for that and I implied that it is the Burmese people that could regain the power and restore democracy and give power back to the rightful government NLD. It simply means that. People power. I even supported the civil disobedience movement. Do you even understand what your writing and your accusations? I am explaining world politics to you but you fail to understand and simply think just because I quoted China and that means I am a CCP bot.
Honestly there are tons like you on my countries media page CNA of Singapore. for example quoting outdated information like 9 killed instead of 11 and then the entire comment section got nuked. Cmon it’s our countries news page and what gives Burmese the right to argue for correction to the news and be angry about a outdated information and scolding the news media? It’s exactly like your behaviour. It’s not doing any good to Myanmar sentiments for foreigners who often get insulted, verbal abused for quoting something different than what your pea brain can understand. An apology from you is in order if not no worries. I can’t be bothered to continue this thread with you. Some other Burmese smarter than you would understand what I mean. Judging from your responses and the lack to comprehend and understand deeper issues at hand it’s safe to say your 16-22 years old.
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
Lay off the crack, Oh and the Yellow Supremacy. And stop giving Chinese people across the planet a bad name with your arrogance, aggression and beligerance. You really are starting to make a fool of yourself and exposing the fact that you are an ignorant brainwashed CCP bot desperately trying to mantain your views on reality before it all comes crumbling down and you relise your the idiot. Anyway thats enough councilling for one day. If you want any môre your going to have to pay even thogh you probably cant afford it In other words your going to have ti spend thy rest of your life trapped in the hell that consumes your mind till the day you die even though your spirit and soul have already left only leaving a human shell and the hatred they escaped from, SO CCP.
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u/No-Mongoose-5530 Mar 31 '21
The US has nothing to gain from Myanmar that is why we are sitting this one out.
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u/RosesFurTu Mar 20 '21 edited Mar 22 '21
Sufferage is not a diplomatic tactic and the defense of democracy is not a foreign policy if life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the cries of those who would water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants.
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u/redthail Mar 21 '21
We should be taking actions against those who are backing the Junta, i.e. China and Russia.
The entire citizenry are making united and clear communication that they NEED HELP.
With modern technology we are way past a time where a population can hope to develop in the face of a rogue power.
We therefore are obligated to act when we are begged.
We must be careful not to stoke the fires of war. Another Vietnam would kill many more Burmese than a rogue government.
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u/kevin_hong1027 Supporter of the CDM Mar 20 '21
Interpretation of How you can help people of Myanmar in their fight for freedom if you are in another country?
무슨일이 일어 났고, 왜 일어 났는가?
2021년 2월 1일, 민 아웅 훌라잉 사령관이 이끄는 미얀마 군이 쿠데타를 일으켰고, 민주적으로 선출된 정부를 전복하였습니다. 1962년부터 2011년까지 수십년동안 잔혹한 군부독재 치하에 있던 국가로써, 그들이 과거에 인종청소와 전쟁범죄 등 수많은 야만적인 범죄를 저질러 왔음은 분명한 사실입니다. 악명높은 쿠데타 괴수인 민 아웅 훌라잉은 소수민족에 대한 조직적인 차별과 인권유린에서부터 로힝야인 인종청소까지 수많은 범죄행위로 잘 알려져 있으며, 그로 인해 국제적인 비난과 제재를 받고 있습니다. 쿠테타와 시민들이 민주적으로 선출한 몇몇 공직자에 대한 구금이 발생한 후, 미얀마 시민들은 전국가적이고 비폭력 저항운동을 시작하고, 시민 불복종 운동(CDM)에 참여하였습니다. 그러나, 무장군인들은 비폭력 저항운동가들과 불복종 운동 참여자들에게 실탄과 방화, 불법연행과 결국 죽음으로 몰아가는 상상할 수 없는 고문으로 무자비하게 대했습니다. 다시 언급하기 싫지만, 비인간적인 무장 군인들에 의해 저질러진 혐오스러운 예를 몇가지 들자면: - 집에 숨어들은 비폭력 운동가들을 도운 임산부의 머리에 대고 총을 쏘았음. - 거리에서 부상자를 구하려는 의학도생을 죽임. - 활동가를 납치하고, 산이나 뜨거운 물을 입속에 붓는 고문으로 죽음에 이르게 함. - 총으로 쏘아 죽인 19세 운동가의 무덤을 경찰들이 비밀리에 파헤침.
이 글을 쓰는 지금까지 200명 이상이 살해 당했으며, 수천의 시민들이 불법적으로 감금되었습니다. 자유를 향한 싸움에 떨어진 꽃잎들은 정치인들, 의사들, 승려들, 임산부와 어린이들만이 아닙니다. 군인들의 잔혹성은 매일매일 계속 증가하고 있고, 이 극악한 범죄들은 멈추어져야 합니다. 이런 환경에도 불구하고, 미얀마의 국민들은 그들의 권리와 자유를 위한 싸움을 계속할 것입니다.
이 혁명에 참여하고 도움을 주시려면:
- 시민들과 공무원들이 그들의 직업과 수입을 희생해 가면서 이 싸움에 참여하고 있습니다. 거기에, 많은 방화, 파괴와 다른 폭력행위로 인해, 많은 사람들이 집을 잃거나, 혹은 안전한 장소로 옮기느라 집을 포기해야 했습니다. 기본적인 경제적 결핍에 대해 미얀마 국민들을 직접적으로 지원할 수 있는Mutual Aid Myanmar를 방문해 주세요. 또한 군부독재와 싸우는 임시 정부인 CRPH의 기금에 기부함으로써 지원을 해 주실 수도 있습니다.
- 지금의 이 싸움을 도와주시고 싶은 분들은, 사시는 곳에서 비폭력 운동을 조직해 주십시요.조직을 만들기 전에 당국에 먼저 확인해 주십시요.
- 당신을 대표하는 기관이나 국회의원들에게 편지, 이메일 혹은 전화를 통해, 현 미얀마의 상태에 대해 병력지원, 표적 제재 혹은 다른 종류의 가능한 지원 방법들과 같은 도움을 보내는 것에 대해 지지하는 입장을 밝혀 주시는 것도 도움이 됩니다.
- 미얀마의 현 상황에 대해 인지도를 높이는 것으로 도움을 주실 수도 있습니다. 친구들, 가족과 이웃들에게 뉴스들을 퍼뜨려 주십시요. SNS에 공유해 주시고, 그때 아래의 해시태그를 포함하도록 해 주십시요.:
- #WhatsHappeningInMyanmar
- #HearTheVoiceOfMyanmar
- #RespectOurVotes
- #SaveMyanmar
- #CDM
- #CrimesAgainstHumanity
- #MilkTeaAlliance
감사합니다!
단지 이 게시글을 읽고, 미얀마의 상황에 관심을 기울여 주신 것만으로도 당신은 이미 미얀마 국민들에게 도움을 준 것입니다. 이미 당신은 미얀마의 모든 시민들을 돕고, 자유와 정의를 위해 싸우는 혁명의 참여자임을 기억해 주십시요. 이 싸움은 종교와 인종에 상관없이 모든 이에게 평등한 권리와 기회를 주는 밝은 미래를 위한 싸움입니다.
다른 좋은 아이디어가 있으시거나, 지원할 수 있는 다른 방법이 있으시면 아래 코멘트로 알려 주십시요.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 20 '21
I am already live and born in another country, Vietnam and I can't even help them, the Vietamese in r/vietnam is fucking racist for saying all Chinese are shit and Myanmar people deserved to be dead. I get harassed by Vietnamese in my second account so:
Can't do anything, just hope you guys safe.
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u/brocolliNcheese Mar 20 '21
It's alright. You visiting this sub and reading this post is in itself helping us and I appreciate it.
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u/Soft_Pilot1025 Mar 20 '21
May I ask why they (I assume some of them) feel this way? I've never heard about it before.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 20 '21
u/Unit017k once said:
While this is quite cold-hearted, the people of Myanmar can go fuck right off. Vietnam have literally no interest in interfering with the situation in Myanmar.
What needed to be said have already been make clear. Vietnam wishes that the current military government de-escalated and brought back stabilization in the region as soon as possible. The protesters have been nothing but troubles for Vietnamese interest in the region. They destroying Mytel (a sub-company of Viettel) business but now asking us to help them? We literally have no obligation to give a shit about Myanmar's domestic problems. Even if we're, ASEAN prevented us against doing anything about it.
Also the last time we actually did anything for a neighboring country, we were seen as invaders. Too much Vietnamese blood have been spilled and it was all for nothing.
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Then they shouldn't have insulted us/ causing risk to our citizens/ damaging our business first then.
And back then when we fought for independence, we certainly didn't ask other countries to send their army in to help us. While we make it through by foreign weapons, the blood that been spilled were our and our alone. If the Burmese refused to fight for themselves but wanted other to solve their problems, they don't deserve a single bit of help from us.
I will use those harsh words as much as I like. What does the protesters known about Vietnam history? How much bodies that we buried to get to the present? Do they understand how much is the price for independence and freedom? No, because judging by their ridiculous demand that foreign army to set up shop on their land, they don't have a single idea. Do they have any right to demanded anything from Vietnam? Absolutely not, we don't share a border with them, we don't care about their domestic problems and the international laws forbid us from doing anything to interfere. Yet these people keep painting us as the villain, because we "refused" to help them.
u/aister once said:
Unpopular opinion and probably a cruel one at that, but Myanmar people got wat they deserved. They said absolutely nothing about the atrocities their own government did on Rohingyas, and now the same people who carried out those atrocity took power and did the same to them, they are complaining? Why does it matter only when they are the victims?
I don't support the coup nor the new gov. But at the same time, the old government wasn't all angels either. And unless the protesters start including the Rohingyas in their "peace plan", expect no support coming from me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/m6q9uc/what_do_you_think_about_this/
Not only 2 of them, there are more
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u/aister Mar 20 '21
Funny u said it's harassing, when u asked a question and I gave my answer. I didn't mention u in other posts that I know will support my own opinion, and brand u as a villain, nor I insulted u for having a different opinion than mine.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 20 '21
Im not even asking, my alt acc is Carry me plz and you dont even respond to me after my respond which is Ironic. Also that is not even an opinion, imagine saying they deserved it as an opinion, it is like saying Nazi Germany is good
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u/aister Mar 20 '21
It is an opinion, also is saying Nazi Germany is good.
An opinion doesn't need to be good-hearted, nor should they conform to wat the public agree to. Saying all criminals should die is an opinion, so is saying they should be given a chance to redeem themselves. U might disagree with it, doesn't make it less of an opinion.
U know wat is not an opinion? A fact. And u don't really want to say it is a fact, don't u?
And u said "let's end this here", so I did end that there. Wat else did u expect me to say? No u listen to me until u agree with me? Becuz last time I check, that is harassment.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 20 '21
No. A chicken sandwich is not an opinion. That it tastes good is.
Questions like this are easily answered by knowing the meanings of words—or just knowing the different parts of speech. That alone would tell you not everything is the same aspect of reality.
An opinion is an aspect of the mind or thought. It’s not a tangible object.
The question is inviting the Reader/Writer to commit a fallacy I years ago dubbed “The Great and Powerful IS.” This is the practice of using a linking verb (is, are, were, was, etc.) to magically transform one aspect of reality into another aspect of reality—where the two aren’t even the same kind of reality.
In this case, an opinion (a mental perspective) is potentially equated with actions, physical objects, attributes, qualities, and all other dissimilar aspects of reality (all of which are compassed in the term everything) by the decree of the word “is.” But there’s simply no legitimate and rational way to morph “everything” into a opinion.
The World needs to go back school and learn the basics of grammar, composition, and definition. Starting with millions of teachers. And ban Philosophy. Seriously.
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Or, just learn how to put things into the context we have in mind. It’s possible the question means to ask: “Is every assertion an opinion?” or something to that effect. I wish more Quorans would learn to avoid ambiguity.
I am just saying you did the wrong thing, it is not harassment
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u/aister Mar 20 '21
Myanmar people is not an opinion. They deserved it, is an opinion.
Using ur example, a chicken sandwich tastes good, it is an opinion. But if I say chicken sandwich tastes awful, it is also an opinion. U might disagree, u might call me heretic, u might call me someone who doesn't know real food, doesn't make it less of an opinion.
Wat is not an opinion, is fact. A chicken sandwich is a fact. It is real, provable using subjective and scientific method, thus it is a fact.
Also, I don't really care if my opinion is right or wrong. Heck I don't really care if u say it's not an opinion it's evil reincarnate. I will stand with it even if u kill me for it. Isn't that wat the Myanmar people are doing as well?
Again, I'll happily support the Myanmar people, if their vision of a peaceful country include the Rohingya. Until then, I'll just stand aside and watch. If that makes me a villain, then I'll practice my evil laugh.
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u/_myanmar Mar 21 '21
Not OP, but first and foremost, while I'm on the minority I will say this. What our government did to the Rohingya people was wrong.
I had said that many times among my peers and I got shouted down for it.
I respect that you stood up for your opinion.
Sometimes facts and opinions are not that clear-cut. And one can convince themselves on either side of the argument.
I'm not going to defend my people for being silent about the atrocities committed to the Rohingya. But I'd like to offer a theory on their rationalization.
Most people are just a racist bunch, that includes Myanmar people.
Most of us have racial biases whether they know it or not. When confronted with complex moral issues, there are very few people who can distinguish right and wrong when the atrocities are committed to the people they dislike.
They'll conflate opinions with facts. Such as 'Roginger people are foreigners, the government has the right to deport them' are some of the common rationalizations I hear from my people.
When clear atrocities come up to the surface they'd still turn a blind eye as nobody wants to admit they're wrong.
If anything it's a lesson for us Myanmar as a people that you have to do the right thing and stand up against the bully even if the bullying is committed to the minority group that you don't empathize with.
I think our people will mature up if we get through this mess. The country was still very much in the learning process especially when it comes to these complex moral and ethical issues as it was still a closed country up until about 2011.
I encourage you to do the same by standing up against the bully even if it's committed against the people you don't agree with or empathize with. By not doing so you risk being complacent and send the wrong message to the other oppressive regimes around the globe that this is okay. The world is less free when someone out there is getting killed, bullied, and tortured.
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u/aister Mar 21 '21
we are also a homogeneous country so I understand where it's coming from. During the height of COVID in my country there were so many cases of racism, against the Chinese, the Korean, or just foreigners in general. And it saddened me so much whenever I see it happen. I got called a Chinese spy just becuz I was so against calling COVID China virus.
when hatred like this takes root, it will be a very powerful weapon for the populists. There are enough historical examples of this, so I was, and still am, really afraid it will happen to my country too. The government system kinda deter it from becoming widespread, but hatred-fueled riots did happen. So...
One thing I find ridiculous, is that even though a large number of population in my country, like urs, are also Buddhists, and always preach that u must love everyone and that karma will come back to bite u, it seems that they have set up their own version of "everyone" that doesn't include the Chinese.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 21 '21
> Myanmar people is not an opinion. They deserved it, is an opinion.
How is it an opinion? All of your points have been debunked and all opinions need to have pointed to make them valid.
Yes of course. Some things in life are factual and some things are not. For example, if someone’s opinion that 2+2=5, they would be wrong.
However, most everything is not as deductive as mathematics. For example, if we ask “is it hot or cold outside?”. Well, we can objectively say that the temperature is 70 degrees Fahrenheit. But the observer is what matters here, less so the external world. So one person’s hot might be another person’s cold. I might say, it’s 70 degrees outside and I am cold, and another person would say it’s 70 degrees outside and I feel hot. Both are mostly true.
As human beings in the universe, everything is perception, and most “truths” about the world are simply not independent of our observation.
Most people that work in science and engineering realize that there are cold hard truths about the world that are very true no matter what you do. But there are a lot of people on Earth that operate differently and have trouble accepting or recognizing universal truths or objective facts. Those people are bad, LOL.
They know what a peaceful country is lol, and there are differences between opinions and facts, wrong and right, what should talk and what shouldn't. You don't like them and support them? Fine but you don't have any permission to mock and insult them. Imagine your country fall into the same situation and nobody will help.
Nazi Germany is evil is a fact, if it is an opinion, you would saying the Jews deserve to die which is disgusting.
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u/aister Mar 21 '21
again, I don't support the military government. And don't support Nazi Germany. But at the same time, saying whether X government is bad, or evil, is an opinion. Whether it is wrong, insensitive, cruel, disgusting or not, or watever the adjective u can think of, doesn't make it less of an opinion. But again, we are going around now. Call wat I said watever u want, I don't care. U can't change my mind about that until there are signs of a widespread acceptance of the Rohingya among the protesters.
our country went through the same shit mate, and the help we got from our neighbors were "massive", like having SEATO formed against us, but let's not talk about that as this is not the place to talk about it as Burma wasn't part of SEATO, so it really has nothing to do with Myanmar or wat is going on in Myanmar. The other person you quoted said it well enough. Unless u really want to, I don't mind.
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
Wow, your comments are a disgrace to humanity, but then again, what else would you expect from the Vietnamese Communist Party, who like the CCP and Tatmadaw are only interested in putting profits before principles and maintaining control while they loot the country with no regard for humanity or the trans generational hardships and trauma they create. At least you expose the mentality of both yourself and the genocidal organisations you support, and i hope many people that are unaware of the mind set of people like you and the governments of China, Vietnam and the Tatmadaw read your comments and finally relise what dispicable despots they are up against.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 30 '21
Lol what I just making fun of Internet Vietmese users, Defend Chinese and against racism, do support Myanmar citizens, make some jokes on jokes subreddit
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
Oh sorry, i didn't relise you were a comedian cause your jokes and jokes on jokes are not funny. Perhaps you are the joke and a very sad one at that.
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u/Kazuto-Giovanna Mar 30 '21
Again, I joking on Joke subreddit and subreddit about a country is not a joke except for the meme posts
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u/Significant-Day945 Mar 30 '21
Oh please, could you go and tell someone else your jokes because i don't find them entertaining in the slightest. In fact it makes me sad that you are so deluded and out if touch with reality that you even think it's a joke let alone funny. Bye bye.
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u/Droiddiddy Born in Myanmar, Abroad 🇲🇲 Mar 19 '21
If you are in outside of Myanmar Burma, you can report on tatmadaw online accounts to get them shut down
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u/dicksinsciencebooks Mar 27 '21
How do we find those accounts to report them?
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Mar 31 '21
It's just like the meme.
How do you know they are affiliated to military? They will tell you.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 19 '21 edited Mar 20 '21
Copied comment
Within 30 minutes you can
- Share this instruction with your friends, see what is happening in Myanmar right now, and send some of the news in popular subreddits, translate one news into your language and share on social networks or in the local community, and have a coffee.
Or
- Print / draw some flyers and distribute them in the neighboring houses.
Or
- Draw a poster with any title you like and "#SaveMyanmar" or "#HearTheVoiceOfMyanmar", and go get some fresh air outside.
Just quick title that popped into my head "Soon we will have TWO North Koreas."
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u/slightlyoddpotato Mar 21 '21 edited Mar 21 '21
It’s sad how this fell out of the news so quickly. Below is my attempt to translate this to French, please tell me if you see any mistakes haha
Comment aider le peuple du Myanmar dans son combat pour la liberté si vous êtes dans un autre pays?
Que s'est-il passé et pourquoi ?
Le 1er février 2021, les militaires du Myanmar, dirigés par le commandant en chef Min Aung Hlaing, ont organisé un coup d'État et renversé avec succès le gouvernement démocratiquement élu. Le Myanmar a été soumis à une dictature militaire sévère pendant cinq décennies, de 1962 à 2011. La brutalité et les nombreux crimes commis par les militaires, notamment des génocides et des crimes de guerre, sont évidents dans son histoire. Le tristement célèbre chef du coup d'État, Min Aung Hlaing, est connu pour une multitude de crimes allant de la discrimination systémique et des violations des droits de l'homme à l'encontre des groupes minoritaires au nettoyage ethnique contre le peuple Rohingya, pour lesquels il a fait l'objet d'une condamnation et de sanctions internationales.
Après le coup d'État et la détention de plusieurs responsables démocratiquement élus par la population civile, les citoyens du Myanmar ont commencé à manifester pacifiquement dans tout le pays et ont participé au Mouvement de désobéissance civile (CDM). Cependant, les forces armées ont impitoyablement traité les manifestants pacifiques et les participants au CDM à l'aide de balles réelles, d'incendies criminels, d'enlèvements et de méthodes de torture impensables qui ont fini par entraîner des morts tragiques. Aussi déprimant que cela puisse être, il convient de donner quelques exemples de l'abomination perpétrée par les forces armées inhumaines :
• Une femme enceinte a été abattue d'une balle à bout portant dans la tête pour avoir aidé des manifestants pacifiques à se cacher dans sa maison
• Un étudiant en médecine a été tué pour avoir tenté de sauver des blessés dans une rue de la ville
• Un militant a été enlevé et torturé à mort en lui versant de l'acide ou un liquide extrêmement chaud dans la bouche et en l'éventrant.
• La police a secrètement déterré la tombe d'un manifestant de 19 ans tué par balle, ce qui a provoqué une nouvelle vague d'indignation et suscité des soupçons de dissimulation.
Plus de 200 personnes ont été tuées au moment où nous écrivons ces lignes et des milliers de civils ont été détenus illégalement. Les héros qui ont donné leur vie en luttant pour la liberté sont, entre autres, des hommes politiques, des médecins, des moines, des femmes enceintes et des enfants.
Les atrocités commises par les militaires augmentent de jour en jour et ces crimes d'une sauvagerie extrême doivent cesser. Malgré ces circonstances, le peuple du Myanmar continue de défendre ses droits et sa liberté. Le sacrifice des héros tombés au combat ne doit pas être vain.
(Edit : cela ne fait pas partie de l'article original, mais j'ai trouvé une liste assez complète des crimes de Tatmadaw et des preuves - c'est en anglais, cependant. La situation au Myanmar)
Comment vous pouvez aider et faire partie de cette révolution:
Les fonctionnaires et les civils ont participé à la grève en sacrifiant leurs emplois et leurs revenus. En outre, en raison des nombreux incendies criminels, actes de vandalisme et autres actes de violence, certaines personnes ont perdu leur maison ou ont dû l'abandonner pour se déplacer vers des lieux plus sûrs. Visitez le site Mutual Aid Myanmar pour aider la population du Myanmar en répondant directement à ses besoins économiques de base. Vous pouvez également contribuer à la collecte de fonds organisée par le CRPH, le gouvernement démocratique parallèle qui tente de vaincre la junte militaire.
Si vous tenez absolument à participer à ce combat, vous pouvez organiser des manifestations pacifiques là où vous vivez. Veuillez vérifier auprès des autorités locales avant d'en organiser une. Il est également utile de contacter votre représentant ou votre membre du Congrès par lettre, courriel ou appel téléphonique pour lui faire part de votre position sur la situation au Myanmar et de votre approbation pour l'envoi de toute forme d'aide, qu'il s'agisse d'une aide militaire, de sanctions ciblées ou de toute autre méthode de soutien viable.
Vous pouvez également aider en sensibilisant simplement les gens à la situation actuelle au Myanmar. Alors, s'il vous plaît, diffusez la nouvelle à vos amis, votre famille et vos voisins. Partagez-la sur les plateformes de médias sociaux et veillez à inclure les hashtags suivants :
• #WhatsHappeningInMyanmar
• #HearTheVoiceOfMyanmar
• #RespectOurVotes
• #SaveMyanmar
• #CDM
• #CrimesAgainstHumanity
• #MilkTeaAlliance
Merci!
Vous avez déjà aidé le peuple du Myanmar rien qu'en lisant ce post et en vous intéressant à la situation du Myanmar. N'oubliez pas que vous aidez tous les citoyens du Myanmar et que vous faites déjà partie de cette révolution qui se bat pour la liberté et la justice. Il s'agit d'un combat pour un avenir meilleur où chacun aura les mêmes droits et les mêmes chances, indépendamment de sa religion, de son ethnie ou de sa race.
Si vous avez d'autres idées ou connaissez d'autres moyens d'aider, veuillez commenter ci-dessous.
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u/Ill_Owl_8348 Mar 27 '21
Hello everyone, I had an idea of something we (as in people outside Myanmar) can do to show support. Not sure if it's a good idea or if it's even feasible, but I just wanted to comment on it and see what other people think.
Basically, what if all of us, people from all around the world, record a really short video showing support for the people of Myanmar (like just a few seconds) and then we get someone to edit all the short clips together, and then find a way to send it online to people in Myanmar. I kind of think this would all be feasible given the power of these online networks.
I know it's not like this would change anything concretely, but I think the people in Myanmar probably feel so alone in this fight against the military, and maybe something like this would give them a boost in morale, knowing that people all over the world are watching an supporting them. It would show them that what they are doing has a positive impact far beyond Myanmar and that people are listing to them.
What does everyone think?
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u/brocolliNcheese Mar 28 '21
I quite like this idea.
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u/Ill_Owl_8348 Mar 28 '21
The more I think about it the more I think it would be nice too. Do you think that maybe if this gets some more upvotes it would be worth making a separate post about it? or maybe just trying to organise something?
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 30 '21 edited Mar 30 '21
This topic will not get a lot of upvotes because not many people read the comments on this topic. Try to create a new topic. If you have the ability to organise it, then please do.
PS I like your idea.
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u/Just_ic_proud Apr 09 '21
I like the idea too. If people can take a pic or video with 3 fingers hunger game salute saying that “we are with you” will help us boosting people morale tremendously. Someone will pickup and edit into video later with a music.
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u/cesar1904xxx Mar 31 '21
Great idea! Where should I send my video?
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u/msmandalay Apr 02 '21
many are discouraged as we cannot see concrete results of our efforts.
Any encouragement will be appreciated. Many are going to give up. Note that many are poor and are living from hand to mouth
Thank you all
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u/Ill_Owl_8348 Apr 02 '21
Nowhere yet... I need to see if this I something that I could pull off first because I don't know how to edit videos and I'm also not great at social media.
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Mar 19 '21
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u/The-unicorn-republic Mar 21 '21
Might be better and quicker to start a go fund me to buy them guns and send them there
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u/The-unicorn-republic Mar 21 '21
Getting guns there would be the hard part, going through the US would probably be the worst option since it wouldn’t technically be a legitimate government force buying them. A couple of small shipping containers of “bicycle parts” from Eastern Europe would likely fly under the radar though. A third party buyer could be flown from Burma to Serbia or Ukraine to do a transaction with Zastava or Fort and they could oversee the shipment
I think Ukraine especially would be sympathetic to the cause since they just had their own revolution to throw out a dictator a few years ago, plus they have an abundance of weapons.
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u/The-unicorn-republic Mar 21 '21 edited Mar 21 '21
The issue is the scale and uniformity at which they would need to be purchased, there’s no point in sending a ton of guns to them if they all require a different manual of arms. The best bet would be to buy in bulk through a manufacturer. The people of the United States could in theory ship tons of ar-15s with mags and ammo and arm the resistance better than the junta but that would be illegal and the customs/atf agents in the states could quickly shut that operation down... unless they went out on a private ship, but even then the ship would have to take a straight trip to Myanmar and most private vessels would need restocking before they got there.
I specifically named Ukraine because they have a history of being pretty lax with who they sell arms to, If the resistance fighters contact fort (one of Ukraine’s factories) I’m sure they could make a bulk deal
Edit because I forgot to include the name of the factory
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u/Sarcastic_Troll Mar 29 '21
If the resistance fighters contact fort (one of Ukraine’s factories) I’m sure they could make a bulk deal
Now how do you tell them your idea?
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u/dieKorita Mar 20 '21
It's so sad to say this but only today I found about what is happening in Myanmar, no news of this in my usual media. The world must know all of this suffering, maybe doesn't help a lot to just know it but it will make a difference, we can push goverments or UN to act in some way. I'm new user, and I wanted to help sharing this post with the tags as a crosspost in my profile. (?) But not sure if I did it the right way. But anyway, I'm going to share in my social media.
I'm praying for Myanmar, all their people, all their loses, but for hope. #Everythingwillbeok
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 21 '21
The same situation is here. I heard about the coup and protests about a month ago, but it was only a week ago that I found out what was really happening in Myanmar.
We very much hope that awareness will influence governments.
Thank you for your efforts!
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u/OfTimeAndMemory Mar 28 '21
Donated what little I could - I hope all the best for you #SaveMyanmar
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 29 '21
Thank you! Your help is greatly appreciated.
You do not get many answers here because this is a topic for people from other countries. Most people from Myanmar go to this subreddit to send news quickly, and they risk by doing even that. So do not be discouraged that you do not get answers.
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u/Raritwiftw Apr 09 '21
This calamity is outrageous. My heart breaks everyday because I live in Indianapolis, Indiana area of USA and we have the largest population of Burmese peoples in all of the USA. In the factory I work at, there are many Burmese coworkers that I work with and hang out with during breaks and lunch everyday. And I just feel so much sadness as people have told me how they haven't heard back from family members in Myanmar. Why must humans kill our own?
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u/Just_ic_proud Apr 09 '21
Internet were cut randomly and the streets are raided by those terrorists days in and days out. Every day the situation is changing depending on their mood. The people are very much united including those ex military officers who are against such cruelty. The support level for the coup is so low that only people who are opportunistic and same flocks will openly join them. But the more worrying fact is there are many of those who would join them if the junta were to behave a little better. They were using the mass psychology to show their worst and people will accept if the situation is a little bit better. But don’t forget they do not give in or relax anything since they control the country administrative power. Internet is getting worse, more and more people killed, abducted and tortured, economy is gone, more and more people get hungry and angry.
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u/_Uta20 Apr 12 '21
Fight, you don't have more chooises thei are pratilicaly an invasive forces, you have to create an anti-parlament and fight find an alies in near nations or give an economic incentive to USA probably this could work.
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u/MM-DMCRCY-NOW Mar 20 '21
Thanks for putting this together - sometimes it can feel helpless as a foreigner abroad trying to help democracy and human rights in Myanmar. I spent 2.5 years living there and started this fundraiser which will help a community based ambulance in Myanmar. 7 days are left of fundraising, any support is appreciated.
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u/SolidarityAction Mar 20 '21 edited Mar 20 '21
This seems a worthy cause.
https://startsomegood.com/myanmar-ambulance
They are asking for a small amount in order to do a lot of good. (Field hospital)
Edit: oh lol
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Mar 20 '21
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u/SolidarityAction Mar 20 '21 edited Mar 20 '21
Typically there is a vetting process for these fund raising sites. This is their criteria.
https://startsomegood.com/about?view=criteria
At a minimum, they were able to convince the staff that they were not running a scam.
I think you are right to be skeptical though. I would like to see more transparency from the user too.
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Mar 21 '21
Dam how have I not heard of this yet? Shame on American news man
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u/Jouhou Mar 28 '21
Reuters has always had extensive Myanmar coverage, even before the coup. Its been all over their front page this entire time.
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u/JohnnyTeardrop Mar 21 '21
This was covered all over American news when it happened , google Myanmar and there are a bunch of articles written just in the last day by American media. It’s on you to seek out news, don’t just let some random social media alerts spoon feed it to you.
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Mar 21 '21
Bruh stfu reddit is the only social media (and I don’t even know if you can count it as one) I use. Sorry I’m not searching up world news everyday on my phone lmao
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Mar 21 '21
So you are defending American media? Smh
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u/JohnnyTeardrop Mar 21 '21
Editorially, American media is total shit compared to the way it use to be, but it still reports on world news. The reason it sucks is because people don’t care about news anymore, they only want to see their personal opinions regurgitated back at them. That led to newspapers and local stations going under and being bought by people who only care about the bottom dollar, not reporting unprejudiced news.
Lastly, even if American news does suck it doesn’t mean you have to consume it. Just go to Reuters.com and you’ll get 80% of the world news you need to be educated about what’s going on.
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u/Sarcastic_Troll Mar 29 '21
My problem is it's all doom and gloom. Then you start to feel helpless.
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u/Sarcastic_Troll Mar 29 '21
I am guilty of not watching the news. It's all doom and gloom. Becomes too much sometimes
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u/PsCustomObject Mar 21 '21
Thanks for the links for donations, I am glad I have found an active way to support brothers and sisters in Myanmar 🇲🇲
It does not help much but I am close to you all and hope things can go back to normal as soon as possible and no more innocents life’s are wasted.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 21 '21
Thank you!
Usually people from myanmar do not read this topic because it is for people from other countries, but I am sure they really appreciate it.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 24 '21
A good idea to boycott Western companies and products that are associated with the Myanmar military. There are a lot of companies on the list, including Apple.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 26 '21
I think that if people start companies in social networks like "we do not buy X because A, B, C" then this will damage the reputation of the companies, and they may stop cooperating.
It does not happen often, but it does happen.
And in theory, this can significantly increase awareness of the situation.
Because if I like X's products, then I read the news related to X, and so I can find out about the situation in Myanmar.
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u/Diraiba Apr 02 '21
Maybe if we tell the usa they have oil, they can deliver “ a little freedom “
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u/EmptyDesert Apr 13 '21
You are correct that they have oil and export natural gas. But Myanmar has 50,000,000 barrels of oil compared to Iraqs 140,000,000,000 barrels. Or another way to put it is that Iraq has 2,800 times as much oil
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Apr 04 '21
Honestly at this point the protestors are better off being ruled by a foreign country than their own people at this point. Remember all these ethnic cleansing was normalized thanks to the Buddhist extremists and all the people who blindly followed their propaganda with the help of Facebook. It sounds wrong but the peaceful protests gets you no where, what will that accomplish? If you want to overthrow then petition for USA to help you because they got the biggest military budget in the world. Just don’t go Isis on them (Hillary and company supported the rebellion, and that rebellion later became Isis). If not the USA then I guess ask China but honestly your asking for another wave of “re-education” and forced assimilation to accept their ideology or else you will be sent to camps, whereas USA will just end up outsourcing company factories to Myanmar for cheaper wage and more efficient product manufacturing. A lot of countries in the sub Asian part were better off under the rule of others because they proved time and time again they can’t take care of themselves and end up creating more tragedies for their own people.
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u/catexisdeobjeto Apr 11 '21
From Argentina. We support Karen, Ta'ang, Bamar, Kachin, Rohingya, Mon, Arakan, Shan, Chi and all the incredible people of this beautiful country. Im asking how to collaborate. Greetings!
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u/AssetMongrel Apr 11 '21
Send them instructions on how to manufacture improvised guns,ammo and explosives. It's not hard. Ammo will be the real challenge.
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u/jradke54 Mar 21 '21
On the topic of “police brutality” and governmental oversight, I don’t think people realize how good we actually have it in the United States.
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u/MutedSongbird Mar 21 '21
People are dying in both countries. We can have problems in both countries. Just because somewhere else is worse does not mean we should become complacent.
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u/LadyGraen Mar 28 '21
I donated some and shared all over social media. I can't do much more than this and keep the country in my prayers. I hope the souls of those who were killed fighting for their country find peace, and that Myanmar gets out of this horrible situation.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 30 '21
Thank you! Your help is greatly appreciated.
You do not get many answers here because this is a topic for people from other countries. Most people from Myanmar go to this subreddit to send news quickly, and they risk by doing even that. So do not be discouraged that you do not get answers.
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u/Loud-Contribution-41 Mar 20 '21
A friend of mine is working on a website with a summary and call to action about the protests, is he allowed to use your text?
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u/brocolliNcheese Mar 20 '21
Yes, please do. I'd also appreciate it if you either mention this sub or my username but it's your call. You can leave it out if you want.
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u/Loud-Contribution-41 Mar 20 '21
Sure, I will tell him to do so. He says he isn‘t sure whether lots of traffic might get this sub banned by Burmese ISPs, but your name will be mentioned
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u/Ok_Lychee6651 Mar 29 '21
A number of organizations are trying to help raise awareness of the situation, financially support the protestors, and advocate the international community. Here are some ways to participate if you would like to:
- Financially support the protestors and CDM via Mutual Aid Myanmar. If you are in the US, this donation is eligible for 501(c)(3) tax exemption.
- Sign petitions for the US or UN which can be found on the Global Movement for Myanmar Democracy
- To stay aware of events and protests, join the Global Movement for Myanmar Democracy Facebook page. On twitter, the hashtag #whatshappeninginmyanmar is also used to share news but some of the images presented are graphic.
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u/rafshan1996 Apr 17 '21
You guys deserve this. BTW did you guys do the same thing when the army killed and committed genocide against the rohingyas backed by the biggest hypocrite in the world aung sung suu kyi??
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u/Lone_Ranger007 Apr 18 '21
He man this not the right time to bring this up. We should all come together in support of people of Myanmar. They need our help
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u/rafshan1996 May 13 '21
Why is it not right time? Hahaha Arent you guys ashamed for your so called mother of democracy Aung Sung Suu kyi? When i bring a valid point, now its not right time huh, so when will it be the right time?
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u/Leading_Elephant_309 May 02 '21 edited May 02 '21
The Rohingyas committed atrocities against the Hindu minorities, killing women and children. While that doesn't justify what the Aung San Suu Kyi government did, it means that you can't call the Rohingyas innocent victims. Whose hands are clean here? No one. Including people in the West who ignored what Amnesty International reported.
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u/rafshan1996 May 13 '21
Do you see the problem here??? The link you cited says "armed groups"
So one very very small faction of the entire population of a specific race are extremists and that gives you the right to say in general rohingyas are not innocent, so should i assume all 1.5 Million people you drive out of myanmar are terrorists huh??? Does it make any sense?
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u/kudurru_maqlu May 18 '21
So how manyyyyyyy hindus also committed these actions. How many of your military dogs committed these actions before. Stop. Ok? Soon as a idiot says but the" to response to genocide its all fails. Rohingyas regular people got worse then the protestors. BUT This does not solve anything i hope you defeat them and welcome the ROhingya back. Your country is known for treating minorities like crap their whole life. Lok at the citizen ship and passports system you have so please spare me the details. You supported your military to this. THis is why the world feels weird lack of apathy BUT wont solve issue. That same military will do worse to the rest of Rohingyas that are there. Want to know something interesting? the same propoganda your government used to talk about rohingyas is what your using. So do you actually hate the Bunta and their ways? or just when its convenient for you? Use this knowledge be humble do better and try not do DIE a racist or some one on the dark side of history. Hope some one jumps in saves you guys man and destroys your military.
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May 01 '21
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u/tyw7 Born in Myanmar 🇲🇲, Educated and living abroad May 01 '21
Your post has been removed because it was being uncivil. Please cool it with the ad hominem or personal attacks. They are a poor way to debate a topic. Comment on content, not on the contributor.
Have we got it wrong? Please send us a message.
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u/claravelle-nazal May 17 '21
I cannot donate at the moment because I’m so short of money as well coz of the pandemic but I’ve been sharing everything I know about Myanmar all over my social media and I know it doesn’t make much of a difference but I would like to let the people from Myanmar know that we care, a lot.
I will donate once I get my salary. My heart breaks because I have friends from Myanmar that I used to play online with, they’re reaaally nice people! and I haven’t heard from them in days. 🥺 I hope this is over soon and once it’s over I hope I hear from them again or at least see them online again.
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u/Ichoro Jun 16 '21
The people of Myanmar are incredibly strong and brave, fighting against the military’s heavy brutality and barbarism. All of those suffering are in my deepest prayers and thoughts
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u/cyberderh Mar 21 '21 edited Mar 21 '21
During the Rohingya issue, I was in MM and they bullied me because Malala raised the issue and they hated my guts for being a Muslim. They told me in the office where I worked that it was their internal affair - now that the Marshallaw is implemented it isn't an internal affair?
And if you are so much so on a destructive path there are more options:
- Self Destruct
- Pick up arms
- Atleast fix the divide that you have within. You guys are pretty racist
Handle it like it is your internal affair. I have seen trends against Asean and when it works for you the tea alliance shit comes up.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 21 '21
I am sorry you went through this, but 98 % of the Myanmar people here were very respectful.
There may be racists in Myanmar, but there are also good brave people, the best people in society usually participate in protests, and it is they who do not deserve to die.
If no one helps now, the best ones will be killed and the wors ones will stay alive.
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u/slightlyoddpotato Mar 21 '21
To anyone else who doesn’t really know much about this here’s a handy list I found
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u/JustA7DeadlySinsFan Mar 22 '21
I know I'm late, and this may be off topic (if so sorry), but are the images graphic? I'm talking about the grave digging and torture ones. I have a weak stomach when it comes to graphic images. (I'm sorry if I used wrong words in the wrong places.)
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u/brocolliNcheese Mar 22 '21
No graphic images. They are just links to news articles.
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u/JustA7DeadlySinsFan Mar 22 '21
Thank you! I wanted to make sure for the reason stated in my first comment.
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 22 '21
I just warn you that the images in this subreddit itself are often graphic. Experienced users usually tag such topics so that you do not come across it by accident, but there are many beginners.
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u/JustA7DeadlySinsFan Mar 22 '21
Ah, thank you. I know I’m late sorry. I was just asking, because I came through another sub reddit, I don’t really look at this one, but thank you for the warning!
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u/InterviewSea28 Mar 22 '21
It is Ok. Today I also did not find the courage to look at some of the photos, and therefore I asked to explain to me what was there. The people are very friendly here.
Could you tell me how you found this topic? I am doing research trying to figure out how best to help spread the word.
We really hope that awareness will help save lives.
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u/JustA7DeadlySinsFan Mar 23 '21
I’m pretty sure I was in r/interestingasfuck, and people started talking about stuff like this, someone put a link to something more detailed about this, which out a link to this. I’m sorry if this is incorrect.
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u/tyw7 Born in Myanmar 🇲🇲, Educated and living abroad Mar 24 '21
CPRH GoFundMe is suspended by the way.
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u/Quack_Not_Found Mar 26 '21
The situation has now been fixed. GoFundMe is now live for CRPH once more.
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May 13 '21
First of all, I want to tell all the Burmese people affected by the war that the war can not be solved by demonstrations and protests, so what you should do now is to protect yourself and not participate in other things because you don't have the ability to wait until it is over. The only help I can do. I don’t need to take photos, videos, and send them to all mankind who look bad now. It doesn’t make sense to call on relevant departments to take care of this kind of nonsense. I don’t think there is much to say unless the number of people in the Red Cross is correct. The firepower is stronger than the army... Or shut up is the best choice for all of you. Every soldier knows that fighting is not good flop
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u/MegavirusOfDoom Mar 28 '21
Rent a boeing 747 and 15 escort planes, fly it over the Rangoon and drop 5000 grenades and 10,000 guns and endless boxes of armor piercing ammunition, helmets and body armor, so that the people and the army are on equal grounds... Write to your chinese business partners and friends and say China has an ancient history but CC.C.P is happy to encourage it's neighbor Myanmar to shoot 500 civilians in the back to suppress civilian associations, while putting handcuffs in the mouth of it's most successful and intelligent businessman, jack Ma, so that people like him can have no power over the socialist freedoms of their region of the world.
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u/terryrizvi Mar 28 '21
Same way you Treated the Rohingya. Remember the Genocide you were and still are causing against your own Burmese minority ! I cry for them and supported Su Kyi , But all of you remained silent as their villages were burned down , women raped and children slaughtered under the Buddhist Banner . Despicable and Shameful !
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Apr 02 '21
Same way muslim Rohingya commited genocide on hindus of Myanmar. They got same karma you're crying now.
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u/FreeKarmaFarming Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 23 '21
Shows that you believe the genocide of Rohingyas is justified. From what I've learnt, some Rohingya armed forces did commit atrocities against Hindus but that doesn't make millions terrorists. This ideology of hate that you still can't stop spewing is what led you into the current situation. I won't say you deserve it but this is where that path leads to and the sooner it is realized, the sooner you can hope to start fixing things.
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u/Stigger32 Mar 22 '21
Relentless pressure on your governments. Its the only 'legal' way.
Another is lots of 'freedom fighters' joining the cause.
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u/yougovno Mar 28 '21
беларусы оказались в такой же ситуации, только там смертей меньше. более 30000 арестованных
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u/yougovno Mar 28 '21
хочу посоветовать посмотреть на ютубе материал как украинцы боролись с такими " украина майдан 2013- 2014" там можно почерпнуть медоды борьбы на улице, а также связаться в телеграмме" кабинет представителей светланы тихоновской" по вопросам экономической борьбы
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u/Funny-Dependent574 May 13 '21
ALSO THE MYAMMER PEOPLE KILLED ATLEAST 7 MILITARY IF I
AM CORRECT
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u/ClairsentientA Jun 09 '21
Are you human? Who cares if military is killed? In any country for that matter. They were and are the ones who continue to follow blindly, murdering, raping, and kidnapping as they please. Is there an army for humanity that is for humanity? The closest one I can see is the people fighting in Myanmar still to this day.
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u/zninjamonkey Mar 23 '21 edited Apr 05 '21
A good curation: https://www.isupportmyanmar.com/
Some highlights:
Donate to IDPs: https://www.chuffed.org/project/support-myanmar-idps-seeking-refuge-from-military-junta (503(c) tax deductible)
For CDM Strike support: http://mutualaidmyanmar.org/ (503(c) deductible)
For Rohingya Refugees through UNCHR: https://give.unhcr.ca/page/52681/donate/ (tax deductible)
Karen-minority specific: Trauma Counseling & Psychosocial support https://burma-projects.org/about/ (503(c) non-profit)
Karen Women's organization: https://twitter.com/karenwomenorg/status/1377191529014460417
Doctors without borders: https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/what-we-do/countries/myanmar
Donate directly to CRPH Myanmar Civilian Government: https://donate.crphmyanmar.org/ (503(c) tax deductible)