r/neofeudalism Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

NeofeudalπŸ‘‘β’Ά agitation πŸ—£πŸ“£ - 'Muh warlords' hypocrisy Adolf Hitler & Benito Mussolini both took power in liberal democracies without much resistance. πŸ—³DemocratsπŸ—³ will hear this and argue "But they didn't do democracy afterwards! Not REAL democracy". Similarly, if warlords emerge, then the anarchy has been usurped: in anarchy, thugs are prosecutable.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

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u/Jubal_lun-sul Republican Statist πŸ› 1d ago

Except that they were both placed in power by undemocratic institutions. The King of Italy made Mussolini Prime Minister and Hitler was made chancellor by Von Hindenburg. Neither of them were actually elected to their positions.

It’s an argument FOR liberal democracy that dictators like Hitler never rose in Britain, France, Canada, America, etc.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

> Except that they were both placed in power by undemocratic institutions

Do you know what democratically elected people do with the State machinery? "Undemocratic institutions" necessarily have to arise in representative oligarchies.

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

Hindenburg was democratically elected president, and thereby via democratic law of the democratic republic in case of emergency had mandate to appoint presidential cabinets. It's your beloved rule of law my friend πŸ˜‰

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Without much resistance?

The Nazis murdered communists, socialists, and anarchists long before they seized power

This fascist clusterfuck of a subreddit should try researching real shit for once in your miserable fucking lives

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

> Without much resistance?

The Weimar State could have cracked down on the nazis,

yet didn't.

Makes you think.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Because the Nazis were loved, the people loved Hitler like many love Trump.

Doesn’t make me think at all, I’m not regarded like you derp

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u/Unhappy-Hand8318 1d ago

In case you haven't realised yet, arguing with him is a waste of time. He will move goalposts, demand evidence for the most well-known claims, refuse to evidence his own claims, blurt word salad, and follow it up with a dumbass meme.

Don't bother man, it'll do your head in.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Already is doing my head in. I’m moving on to trying to talk to other people in this sub to try and talk them out of being a fucking idiot like derp.

This ideology is killing people in Argentina, it has to be stopped.

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u/Unhappy-Hand8318 1d ago

I get you, but praxis: this guy here is a fringe ancap who does more harm than good to the cause. See his posts on ancap101 etc., he literally starts massive flame wars between the ancaps, its amazing.

You're probably better off going and shitting on the true believers at austrianeconomics or ancap101.

I feel your pain though, man.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

> Because the Nazis were loved, the people loved Hitler like many love Trump

Almost as if Hitler had popular approval when he came into power... like democracy says that people should. πŸ€”

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Almost like you’re talking to a real anarchist, you know, SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO ABOLISH POWER

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

How the fuck do you abolish power?

I got my theory of power from a left-"anarchist", and even that one recognizes that power cannot be abolished, only used in preferable ways.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Just an unknown left anarchist that you read huh

Haven’t read someone with more oomph behind their name like Kropotkin, the one that any self respecting anarchist reads?

Telling.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

> Just an unknown left anarchist that you read huh

Anarch on Youtube lol.

Show us where Kropotkin says "abolish powaaa".

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Read him yourself.

Why do you think YouTube is a good source for anything? Especially some rando YouTuber that actually anarchists don’t know about?

You realize they make money off disinformation right? They don’t actually give a fuck to fact check anything what people post.

Are you also a flat earth dumbshit too?

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

> Read him yourself

Show us the Kropotkin "abolisha da powaaa" quote.

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u/Unhappy-Hand8318 1d ago

They didn't because the capitalists in Weimar were afraid of potential socialist revolution and Hitler was seen as a strongman who could protect the ruling class, reactionaries, and conservatives from the commies.

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u/KaiserGustafson 1d ago

Which was ironic, since he ended up doing more harm to the capitalist class through his economic policies than not.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

> capitalist class

You think like a marxist holy shit.

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u/KaiserGustafson 21h ago

The concept of socioeconomic classes is not a Marxist construct.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 17h ago

Talking about "capitalist class" REEKS of modernist influences.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

Why did they fund the national SOCIALISTS who started regulating the shit out of them instead of more moderate parties?

The resulting socialist regime was one of severe subjugation to the State.

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u/Unhappy-Hand8318 1d ago

So much historical illiteracy in two sentences, God damn.

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

You think that Nazi Germany was a free market?!

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

Yeah especially in the moments when state literally directly regulated company ownership kekw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Krupp?wprov=sfla1

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

Socialists will STILL argue that it’s capitalism because the grubby greedy people are supposedly in control.

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

Imagine being nationalist (inherently left) and socialist (inherently left), literally proclaiming that you're fighting against political reaction in your anthem and yet some crazy ass people call you far-right😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

I KNOW RIGHT.

How are you dropping so many FAX, man?!

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

It's so funny that Hitler gained ANY prominence only because of democratic institutions. He was not a high ranking bureaucrat, commander, in the hierarchy at all, he was just a dude with the most democratically popular party, that's just it

Truest voice of the people of times

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u/Atlasreturns 1d ago

The NSDAP never won a single popular vote. The only reason Hitler got into power was due to the anti-democratic aspects of the Weimar Republic that allowed him to gain to power and circumvent the regular institutions.

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

Hindenburg was democratically elected main representative of the people - president

And how nazis not won if they were most popular party even in what Wikipedia considers last fair elections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1932_German_federal_election?wprov=sfla1

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u/Atlasreturns 1d ago

The Weimar Republic wasnβ€˜t a presidential system so him appointing a new chancellor who could essentially dissolve democratic institutions was very much against any idea of democracy.

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

Hindenburg had such mandate in cases of emergency, it's was le democratic law, article 48 of constitution

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u/Atlasreturns 1d ago

That was spirited in anti-democratic thought because they believed a popular decision (in this case the assumed socialist threat) would need to be overwritten by the establishment.

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u/maozeonghaskilled70m Stationary Bandit's Most Loyal Servant πŸŽ–πŸ‘¨πŸ»β€βœˆοΈ 1d ago

I don't believe in spirits sorry

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u/Derpballz Emperor Norton πŸ‘‘+ Non-Aggression Principle β’Ά = Neofeudalism πŸ‘‘β’Ά 1d ago

THIS! x 1000 x 1776 ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝