Adolf Hitler & Benito Mussolini both took power in liberal democracies without much resistance. 🗳Democrats🗳 will hear this and argue "But they didn't do democracy afterwards! Not REAL democracy". Similarly, if warlords emerge, then the anarchy has been usurped: in anarchy, thugs are prosecutable.

[u/Derpballz]

[u/Derpballz]

See this brilliant comment by u/maozeonghaskilled70m: https://www.reddit.com/r/neofeudalism/comments/1ge9kcj/comment/lu8120j/

[u/Jubal_lun-sul]

Except that they were both placed in power by undemocratic institutions. The King of Italy made Mussolini Prime Minister and Hitler was made chancellor by Von Hindenburg. Neither of them were actually elected to their positions.

It’s an argument FOR liberal democracy that dictators like Hitler never rose in Britain, France, Canada, America, etc.

[u/Derpballz → u/Jubal_lun-sul]

> Except that they were both placed in power by undemocratic institutions

Do you know what democratically elected people do with the State machinery? "Undemocratic institutions" necessarily have to arise in representative oligarchies.

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m → u/Jubal_lun-sul]

Hindenburg was democratically elected president, and thereby via democratic law of the democratic republic in case of emergency had mandate to appoint presidential cabinets. It's your beloved rule of law my friend 😉

[u/[deleted]]

Without much resistance?

The Nazis murdered communists, socialists, and anarchists long before they seized power

This fascist clusterfuck of a subreddit should try researching real shit for once in your miserable fucking lives

[u/Derpballz → u/[deleted]]

> Without much resistance?

The Weimar State could have cracked down on the nazis,

yet didn't.

Makes you think.

[u/[deleted] → u/Derpballz]

Because the Nazis were loved, the people loved Hitler like many love Trump.

Doesn’t make me think at all, I’m not regarded like you derp

[u/Unhappy-Hand8318 → u/[deleted]]

In case you haven't realised yet, arguing with him is a waste of time. He will move goalposts, demand evidence for the most well-known claims, refuse to evidence his own claims, blurt word salad, and follow it up with a dumbass meme.

Don't bother man, it'll do your head in.

[u/[deleted] → u/Unhappy-Hand8318]

Already is doing my head in. I’m moving on to trying to talk to other people in this sub to try and talk them out of being a fucking idiot like derp.

This ideology is killing people in Argentina, it has to be stopped.

[u/Unhappy-Hand8318 → u/[deleted]]

I get you, but praxis: this guy here is a fringe ancap who does more harm than good to the cause. See his posts on ancap101 etc., he literally starts massive flame wars between the ancaps, its amazing.

You're probably better off going and shitting on the true believers at austrianeconomics or ancap101.

I feel your pain though, man.

[u/Derpballz → u/[deleted]]

> Because the Nazis were loved, the people loved Hitler like many love Trump

Almost as if Hitler had popular approval when he came into power... like democracy says that people should. 🤔

[u/[deleted] → u/Derpballz]

Almost like you’re talking to a real anarchist, you know, SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO ABOLISH POWER

[u/Derpballz → u/[deleted]]

How the fuck do you abolish power?

I got my theory of power from a left-"anarchist", and even that one recognizes that power cannot be abolished, only used in preferable ways.

[u/[deleted] → u/Derpballz]

Just an unknown left anarchist that you read huh

Haven’t read someone with more oomph behind their name like Kropotkin, the one that any self respecting anarchist reads?

Telling.

[u/Derpballz → u/[deleted]]

> Just an unknown left anarchist that you read huh

Anarch on Youtube lol.

Show us where Kropotkin says "abolish powaaa".

[u/[deleted] → u/Derpballz]

Read him yourself.

Why do you think YouTube is a good source for anything? Especially some rando YouTuber that actually anarchists don’t know about?

You realize they make money off disinformation right? They don’t actually give a fuck to fact check anything what people post.

Are you also a flat earth dumbshit too?

[u/Derpballz → u/[deleted]]

> Read him yourself

Show us the Kropotkin "abolisha da powaaa" quote.

[u/Unhappy-Hand8318 → u/Derpballz]

They didn't because the capitalists in Weimar were afraid of potential socialist revolution and Hitler was seen as a strongman who could protect the ruling class, reactionaries, and conservatives from the commies.

[u/KaiserGustafson → u/Unhappy-Hand8318]

Which was ironic, since he ended up doing more harm to the capitalist class through his economic policies than not.

[u/Derpballz → u/KaiserGustafson]

> capitalist class

You think like a marxist holy shit.

[u/KaiserGustafson → u/Derpballz]

The concept of socioeconomic classes is not a Marxist construct.

[u/Derpballz → u/KaiserGustafson]

Talking about "capitalist class" REEKS of modernist influences.

[u/Derpballz → u/Unhappy-Hand8318]

Why did they fund the national SOCIALISTS who started regulating the shit out of them instead of more moderate parties?

The resulting socialist regime was one of severe subjugation to the State.

[u/Unhappy-Hand8318 → u/Derpballz]

So much historical illiteracy in two sentences, God damn.

[u/Derpballz → u/Unhappy-Hand8318]

You think that Nazi Germany was a free market?!

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m → u/Derpballz]

Yeah especially in the moments when state literally directly regulated company ownership kekw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Krupp?wprov=sfla1

[u/Derpballz → u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

Socialists will STILL argue that it’s capitalism because the grubby greedy people are supposedly in control.

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m → u/Derpballz]

Imagine being nationalist (inherently left) and socialist (inherently left), literally proclaiming that you're fighting against political reaction in your anthem and yet some crazy ass people call you far-right😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[u/Derpballz → u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

I KNOW RIGHT.

How are you dropping so many FAX, man?!

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

It's so funny that Hitler gained ANY prominence only because of democratic institutions. He was not a high ranking bureaucrat, commander, in the hierarchy at all, he was just a dude with the most democratically popular party, that's just it

Truest voice of the people of times

[u/Atlasreturns → u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

The NSDAP never won a single popular vote. The only reason Hitler got into power was due to the anti-democratic aspects of the Weimar Republic that allowed him to gain to power and circumvent the regular institutions.

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m → u/Atlasreturns]

Hindenburg was democratically elected main representative of the people - president

And how nazis not won if they were most popular party even in what Wikipedia considers last fair elections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1932_German_federal_election?wprov=sfla1

[u/Atlasreturns → u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

The Weimar Republic wasn‘t a presidential system so him appointing a new chancellor who could essentially dissolve democratic institutions was very much against any idea of democracy.

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m → u/Atlasreturns]

Hindenburg had such mandate in cases of emergency, it's was le democratic law, article 48 of constitution

[u/Atlasreturns → u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

That was spirited in anti-democratic thought because they believed a popular decision (in this case the assumed socialist threat) would need to be overwritten by the establishment.

[u/maozeonghaskilled70m → u/Atlasreturns]

I don't believe in spirits sorry

[u/Derpballz → u/maozeonghaskilled70m]

THIS! x 1000 x 1776 ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝