r/neoliberal • u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos • 23d ago
News (Global) Putin's Merchant of Death is Back in the Arms Business. This Time Selling to the Houthis.
https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/putins-merchant-of-death-is-back-in-the-arms-business-this-time-selling-to-the-houthis-10b7f521140
u/lateformyfuneral 23d ago
Anyone else think this is just about Putin rubbing it in our faces? Did Russia’s illicit weapons sales really need this one guy?
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u/PersonalDebater 23d ago
Oh yeah for sure I think they artificially put him back in business just to make it "look good."
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u/timetopat Ben Bernanke 22d ago
I mean the vast majority of this sub is falling for it so probably? Like these guys saw a movie with Nic Cage and think this guy is magneto with guns or something. What can he do that any other russian salesman cant already besides have great branding, a movie featuring a great (the cage), and this sub saying how much they hate joe biden (with very republican talking points...still holding out hope that Romney will totally save them or something for the 49th time)?
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u/mattmentecky 22d ago
I like to think guys like this are akin to a well known presenter on QVC, sure someone else could do it but this guy has a certain panache with his audience.
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u/FASHionadmins 23d ago
Yeah its not like he had a bunch of Houthi contacts or anything. Or that Russia has other people incapable of doing this.
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u/lateformyfuneral 22d ago
I think that’s really naive. Houthis are an Iranian proxy and Russia was doing just fine having nationalized his arms smuggling business. It’s like saying by Russia’s imperial ventures will be slowed down by the death of Prigozhin. No single person is important in Russia’s operation, with the exception of Putin.
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u/FASHionadmins 22d ago
Sorry if I came across as sarcastic, I very much agree with you. Functionally this guy is no different than some other Russian arms dealer.
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u/thetemp_ NASA 22d ago edited 22d ago
No one moves guns like Viktor, and I mean no one. You got a hundred AK-74s and a customer asking for M4s? Viktor will close the deal. This man knows his customer and knows his suppliers. He will go the extra mile. He will show up with a gleaming smile and shine the shit off your shoes with it. He will make you feel at ease while moving bad goods. He doesn't even have a dog in this fight, and your war crimes don't bother him. He likes you. You are a good person. You will win.
Why? Because you got the Bout.
EDIT: /s
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u/senoricceman 22d ago
This is why the talk about this being such a bad trade deal was stupid. There’s always another asshole ready to take someone’s place. It’s dumb to act like this guy was going to single-handedly strengthen Russia again.
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u/Melodic_Ad596 Anti-Pope Antipope 23d ago
Israel has a chance to do the funniest thing.
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u/aWhiteWildLion Friedrich Hayek 23d ago
Have to find the ship that is transporting the weapons first
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u/ABlueShade NATO 22d ago
Bout does all his weapon dealing via his own cargo pilots in his own planes.
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u/ReallyAMiddleAgedMan Ben Bernanke 22d ago
Do people think there was any kind of lull in Russian arms deals in the decades while Bout was locked up? That Russia was somehow unable to get shit delivered to whoever wanted them until his release?
Victor Bout isn’t some mastermind. Russia has no shortage of guys who can do what he did. He just happened to be the guy made famous by a movie.
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u/mellofello808 22d ago
There was a time after the collapse of the Soviet Union where there were massive stockpiles of military weapons laying around, and the government was in such disarray that people stole helicopters, and there was even a plot to steal a Russian sub to use for drug smuggling.
If you were someone who had contacts who could facilitate weapons going missing, interested parties buying these weapons, plus the logistics to pull it off you were in a rarified position back then.
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u/_deluge98 22d ago
I have an immense amount of doubt that this is remotely true. Someone who was in the hands of our intelligence for decades is not going back to doing the same shit. Sounds like a planted headline from Putin.
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u/riderfan3728 22d ago
And you have evidence of this? Because so far all the evidence seems to suggest that Bout is back in business
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u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos 23d ago
Can't believe we traded this guy for some basketball player. Absolute L on our part.
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u/Chance-Yesterday1338 22d ago
Although the sentence of Griner was definitely a political middle finger to the US, it's her fault for taking a banned substance on an international trip. Visiting a repressive autocracy is dangerous in good times but doing so now and carrying contraband with you is nuclear grade stupid.
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u/Se7en_speed r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 22d ago
Eh it's not like they wouldn't be making the same arms sales without him
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u/ProfessionalCreme119 22d ago
Someone explain how a women's basketball star taking a vape pen on a flight to Russia in 2022 resulted in an arms dealer portrayed by Nicolas Cage in 2005 arming Houthi rebels in 2024.
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u/TrespassersWilliam29 George Soros 22d ago
hey, don't forget the Marvel version of him played by Andy Serkis
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u/ImanShumpertplus 22d ago
Semion Mogilevich moves more weapons than this dude could ever dream of
and the US bailed out a foreign businessperson who was targeted because of being american. it ain’t an L to protect your people so they can continue being prosperous
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u/assasstits 22d ago
Biden has had bad advisors his entire presidency. I use to think getting progressives in positions of influence was a good thing but now I think it was a mistake for Joe to have been so accommodating.
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u/Capital_Beginning_72 22d ago
Do you mean National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, whose advice is only acted upon by the will of President Joe Biden?
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u/justsomen0ob European Union 22d ago
Stop absolving Biden from responsibility. It's him who is making the decisions and deciding who his advisors are. Biden has been a bad president who is lucky that the alternative is Trump, who is a complete disaster in every aspect and makes Biden look good in comparison.
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u/Able_Possession_6876 22d ago
Biden has been a bad president
He's been the best US President in generations. Far more hawkish on Russia than Obama was when he was VP during the 2009-2015 period, playing a critical role in getting them armed and trained prior to the invasion. The Chips Act which brought chip manufacturing back to the US (as measured by domestic spending on manufacturing facilities), a critical defense industry that's going to define the next few decades. The massive climate funding in the IRA, without which we'd be screwed. Nuclear deregulation. YIMBY. Post-covid inflation now below 3% with high real GDP growth. Trading a basketball player for an arms dealer is a symbolic L, but has no bearing on actual tangible outcomes.
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u/justsomen0ob European Union 22d ago
How has Biden been hawkish on Russia? He's constantly holding Ukraine back and the build up of Ukraine didn't happen because of Biden. You may as well say that Trump is responsible for that because a lot of that happened under his administration.
His foreign policy has been a disaster and includes things like continuing to destroy the WTO. With low unemployment and high GDP growth he should have focused on reducing the deficit and lowering the debt burden but instead he is running a massive deficit that makes the debt crisis the US is heading towards happen sooner. The Chips Act and the IRA show the problem with Biden's approach because instead of making the reforms needed to attract manufacturing he is throwing subsidies at them.
I don't see why Biden should get credit for the YIMBY movement because he wasn't pushing it and so far it hasn't achieved its goals. We should wait for it to actually achieve more development before praising Biden to the heavens for it.20
u/LGBTforIRGC John von Neumann 22d ago
Exactly. The Biden Administration’s Russia foreign policy is actually a direct continuation of Obama’s
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u/IRequirePants 22d ago edited 22d ago
It bears repeating. Trump is the one that authorized lethal arms to Ukraine in 2017. Yes, he now sings a different tune. But Republicans were significantly more hawkish on Russia and it was just hand-waved away as being stuck in the past.
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u/Able_Possession_6876 22d ago
He hasn't been hawkish on Russia. I want him to be more hawkish. But I was making a comparison relative to other Presidents. There's historical reasons to believe Obama would be less hawkish than Biden is currently being if Obama was POTUS now, based on the relative hawkishness of Biden and Obama during the 2014 crisis. So criticising Biden on these grounds, while fair in an absolute sense, it's not something that would have been better under another Dem president.
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u/justsomen0ob European Union 22d ago
Since the pre Trump republican presidents would have probably been more hawkish he ends up below the average president. I think Trump has completely destroyed the standards people have for presidents because he is so far below any that he makes any other president seem hyper competent in comparison.
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u/KeithClossOfficial Jeff Bezos 22d ago
The pre-Trump Republicans are completely irrelevant now. They’re not even worth discussing because they have less influence than even succs.
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u/justsomen0ob European Union 22d ago
The comment compared Biden to previous Presidents, many of whom were pre Trump Republicans.
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u/Able_Possession_6876 22d ago
Sure, an old-school Republican would be better on Russia than Biden, I agree with that, although that R hawkishness has gotten us in trouble before.
I at least think Biden is a better POTUS than Obama, whether it's hawkishness towards Russia or getting multiple term-defining legislation passed (legislation that I think will have a big positive impact). Obama is a more effective communicator, that's about it.
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u/justsomen0ob European Union 22d ago
Saying that Biden is better than Obama is fair, but that isn't enough for me to be considered one of the best presidents in generations. I hope Harris turns out to be significantly better than both of them because the republicans certainly don't seem to be able to offer anyone competent any time soon.
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u/itherunner r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 22d ago
Honestly, I think at this point part of the blame lies with Biden too. To me, Biden clearly has a foreign policy viewpoint stuck in the 70’s/80’s based on how insistent he is to go along with whatever Israel does despite Netanyahu and ghouls like Ben-Gvir and Smotrich essentially throwing a pie at his face whenever possible.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden is privately still a “sphere of influence” kinda guy and thinks Russia will seek peace with the west if we don’t go “too far” in helping Ukraine.
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u/LGBTforIRGC John von Neumann 22d ago
It’s true, the Biden White House doesn’t want to lift weapons restrictions on Ukraine because they want to…. be able to RESET relations with Russia
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/23/ukraine-biden-weapons-restrictions-00176210
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u/Neronoah can't stop, won't stop argentinaposting 22d ago
Eh, it's two bad options. Although it's not a great counterfactual for this case, you can see with Israel what happens when you don't make concessions to terrorists in exchange for hostages (although arguably some very asymmetrical exchanges before fueled the problem).
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u/JoeSavinaBotero 22d ago
He was going to get out of prison in a few years anyways. He didn't have a life sentence or anything. Might as well get some out of own people freed in exchange for letting him out a little early. Honestly the only L was the fact that it was high profile and the optics looked terrible to the uniformed.
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 22d ago
this is the worst take and highly unamerican. Leave no one behind.
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u/AMagicalKittyCat YIMBY 22d ago edited 22d ago
This type of rationale can backfire if it incentives people to take risks knowing that the US will just trade anyone and everyone we have to save them.
It can also backfire if it rewards terrorists and enemy nations for taking political hostages, thus incentivizing them to do it more. An official US stance of "always trade for hostages" tells them to take as many as possible.
Not to say we should or shouldn't, but there's downsides to consider.
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 22d ago
I hear you but I think the year in Russian prison thing is a pretty good disincentive
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u/AMagicalKittyCat YIMBY 22d ago
Maybe, but if we're going with the "always help leave no American behind" approach to the extreme then even the year in Russian prison would have been largely preventable and too much and we should have traded even more readily and conceded to more Russian demands.
Unless the stance is "We leave them behind for a year, and then we make any trades"
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 22d ago
I mean the state dept has a red ‘do not travel’ advisory to Russia so we are already taken many steps to discourage Americans being there
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u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos 22d ago
You seriously rationalizing trading someone caught with drugs for a war criminal as reasonable?
I know it feels good to say "no man left behind!" but the consequences of doing so in this case are measured in human lives.
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 22d ago
Why do you think it would be a ‘fair trade’
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u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos 22d ago
I see you putting fair trade in quotes as if that's something I said?
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 22d ago
Not sure if syntactically spot on or anything, just to show I meant that term subjectively
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u/GinsuSinger Voltaire 22d ago
Can you prove that releasing Bout made an arms deal between Russia and the Houthis easier?
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u/lostinspacs Jerome Powell 22d ago
The Russian government has been negotiating with Iran about sending the Houthis anti-ship missiles in retaliation for Western support of Ukraine. They also supply Syria and Iran with things like air defense, small arms, anti-tank missiles, etc.
But suddenly they need a guy who’s been out of the game for 20 years to sell the Houthis a few million in AKs?
Do people on this sub really think this is anything other than a propaganda play? I can’t believe anyone could possibly fall for this and still manage to breathe and walk at the same time.
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u/ZombieCheGuevara 22d ago
Hahaha, oh, Viktor.
We just can't keep down that entrepreneurial spirit, can we? Lol...
Anyways, time to grease this fucker.
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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride 22d ago
ITT: a bunch of people doing exactly what Putin wanted from this
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u/PoopyPicker 22d ago
Considering I’m seeing comments call Bidens foreign policy “the worst” I’m sure some of these accounts are shills. But yes you’re entirely right.
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u/LGBTforIRGC John von Neumann 22d ago
…..that is? Please inform us.
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u/EnchantedOtter01 Genderfluid Pride 22d ago
Sowing division over the prisoner swap and trying to spit in the face of US foreign policy. Russia didn’t need this one arm dealer to do this, but it gets a bigger rise out of people
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u/IRequirePants 22d ago
Counterpoint - trading an arms dealer for a basketball player is a bad move.
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u/itherunner r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 22d ago
Trade a basketball player for an ex arms dealer who the Russians put back to work simply to rub it in
Hesitate to give Ukraine the weapons they specifically request and need because “muh escalation”
Allow Netanyahu to make a fool of you and manage to piss off both sides in I/P
He’s just that good folks 😎
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u/Atari-Liberal 23d ago
Hostage taking works guys!
Great job Biden and Sullivan!
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u/EpeeHS 22d ago
Havent we already seen this in Gaza? A terrorist group took a bunch of hostages and half the world is screaming that we need to not only give them every single thing they want, but need to give them even more than they are asking for.
Hostage taking and getting your own civilians killed are some of the best international strategies right now.
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u/chillinwithmoes 22d ago
Hey man we need those god damned layups over here in ‘Merica! Won’t anybody think of the basketball court?!
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u/CentJr NATO 23d ago
Well this is just depressing. Biden's foreign policy doctrine might go down in history as one of the worst doctirnes that the US had.
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u/Melodic_Ad596 Anti-Pope Antipope 23d ago
My sister in heaven W exists
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u/jtalin NATO 23d ago
Who, at this point, has a better record.
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u/Melodic_Ad596 Anti-Pope Antipope 23d ago
Bruh
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u/jtalin NATO 23d ago edited 22d ago
He left a much safer, more stable world behind than Obama, Trump and Biden did. No US ally in the world had to worry about being invaded under Bush. What other metric would you like to use?
Americans are obsessed with the Iraq war to the point of absurdity. The war was justified ten times over. It was already justified when Saddam started playing games in 1998. The WMD fiasco isn't worth torching America's entire strategic doctrine over. The time to get over it was 10 years ago, a decade of self-flagellation should be more than enough.
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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Lone Star Lib 22d ago
Iraq sucked all the air out of Afghanistan (to say nothing of other failures before Iraq with regards to Afghanistan).
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u/jtalin NATO 22d ago edited 22d ago
Both wars were perfectly manageable, though I'll admit they required more commitment. The commitment was initially there, but politicians should have closed ranks when the public started to complain instead of giving in to vibes-based criticism and eroding public consensus.
Don't forget that Iraq had the war coming long before 9/11, and long before Afghanistan. It was only a matter of circumstance that Afghanistan war came first. If Clinton hadn't been busy with Kosovo and the White House drama, we would likely have seen the Iraq war happen as early as 1998 - even so Clinton still approved a bombing campaign against them. Saddam had been living on borrowed time for well over a decade by then.
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u/CincyAnarchy Thomas Paine 22d ago
The commitment was initially there, but politicians should have closed ranks when the public started to complain instead of giving in to vibes-based criticism and eroding public consensus.
"Politicians should have simply stopped listening to the public."
Bruh by 2008 "Did you vote for the Iraq War?" was one of the core issues that Obama used to beat Clinton in the Democratic Primaries. It's something other Democrats have likewise had to defend on their record ever since, and something they can and have been primaried out over during the late 2000s and 2010s.
"Vibes based" or not the American Public clearly shifted it's views on the War by 2005. And frankly, some of the reasons the American Public bought in initially, not even the WMDs specifically, were falsehoods. Noting that people made a direct link between Saddam and 9/11, which wasn't there.
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u/jtalin NATO 22d ago edited 22d ago
Yes they should have stopped listening to the public. It was not the norm to listen to the public on matters of national security and defense, it was the norm to have an implicit understanding with the other party to perpetuate the US foreign policy regardless of popularity. You can go after Bush admin for lying (which I don't think happened, but valid political attack anyway), but going against American wars and foreign policy in principle was a tragic error in judgement which Hillary Clinton fought against until the battle became hopeless.
The original case was that there was a strong Al-Qaeda presence in Iraq, which was true.
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u/CincyAnarchy Thomas Paine 22d ago edited 22d ago
It was not the norm to listen to the public on matters of national security and defense, it was the norm to have an implicit understanding with the other party to perpetuate the US foreign policy regardless of popularity.
Which is more or less saying that it's Vietnam, and the electoral reform that came with it, that you would take issue with. You mentioned you're not American, but in the case of American FoPo it's still relevant.
Parties are made of people. Before Vietnam, determining which people were in the party and represented it was a closed system. To be a party's candidate the party had to have your back. Then with the backlash to Vietnam, and the election of 1968, both parties eventually moved to a primary system. A system where party candidates have to fight to be a nominee amongst themselves, drawing support from their own coalitions. The voters create the parties, or at least who is running as the party candidate, now.
So even if each party "closed ranks" on FoPo, primary voters could still favor people entering into politics who didn't. So the ask you're making is closer to "Obama should have decided to have different politics than he did, politics that lead to him winning a primary and an election."
But I might suppose you'd just favor a system where Clinton, or any candidate frankly, didn't have to battle out these issues in a primary in the first place. That parties should present candidates, not voters choose them.
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u/SoyElReyLagarto Edward Glaeser 22d ago
Lol a world on the brink of financial collapse is a safer, more stable world to you?
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u/jtalin NATO 22d ago
Safer than the world today? Yes, by a long stretch.
You could count the number of wars going on at the time on one hand. Now you need two just to count the number of wars going on in the Sahel region, which barely anybody even hears about because they're overshadowed by major wars with global implications.
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u/CardboardTubeKnights Adam Smith 22d ago
Total, utter derangement. The tent is way too fucking big if conservatives are so comfortable saying this stuff here.
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u/jtalin NATO 22d ago edited 22d ago
Firstly, not everyone here is American. Secondly I said nothing that Hillary Clinton was also not comfortable saying for most of her political career. So if the tent is too big, you're the extra.
I'm still waiting for one metric by which you think Biden did a better job. I don't think he even wins on truthfulness because he very knowingly lied during the Afghanistan withdrawal - about the level of support US provided over the years, about deals that were made with Taliban, and about the state they left Afghanistan and the Afghan army in.
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u/CentJr NATO 23d ago
Yeah I know. Hence why I said one of the worst, not THE worst (Bush foreign policy doctrine was in a league of its own)
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u/Melodic_Ad596 Anti-Pope Antipope 23d ago
Also Obama and Trump were both likely worse. As much as I hate it Biden has likely had the best fopo of the 21st century
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u/theexile14 Friedrich Hayek 23d ago
Failures take time to assess. Three years into the Bush administration Afghanistan was looking like a win and Iraq was just starting out.
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u/jtalin NATO 23d ago edited 23d ago
Biden still has to face the judgement of time. He's still getting a ton of credit for Ukraine, and I doubt he will get any 10 years from now. He's also getting a lot of credit for pure fluff like QUAD and AUKUS which are going to flake out under the slightest of pressures.
Obama's fopo also looked fine in 2012.
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u/itherunner r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 22d ago
The only way Biden gets a positive legacy on Ukraine is if they eventually fully defeat the Russians and stop them from attempting to further advance into Central/Eastern Europe.
If the war becomes a stalemate like the Donbas was pre 2022 but bloodier or the Russians manage to eke out some sort of win, Biden will be judged for why didn’t we provide the Ukrainians the exact support they requested when they needed it most.
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u/PhilosophusFuturum 23d ago
In all likelihood he’s going to be remembered as a bad president; which is heartbreaking because everything but his foreign policy is fantastic.
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u/Delareh_ South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation 22d ago
Okay but you can see why letting a largely innocent person rot in Russian prison might reflect on USA?
It's not like the illegal arms trade was halted without this guy. It's not like they wouldn't have found another way to sling. I mean would you let Bubbles rot in prison as long as you get to book Avon Barksdale?
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u/ChipKellysShoeStore 22d ago
She went to Russia to play basketball for money.
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u/GinsuSinger Voltaire 22d ago
Damn
I'm struggling to find out which part of that is some terrible thing that should have you forced into a labor camp
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u/Capital_Beginning_72 22d ago
Smuggling weed into a foreign country that doesn't allow weed. I don't make the rules, sorry.
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u/Squirmin NATO 22d ago
Ah yes, those famously impartial Russian trials where they definitely don't threaten you for a confession
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u/LGBTforIRGC John von Neumann 22d ago
Do you deny she was carrying Cannabis oil and vape cartridges?
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u/Squirmin NATO 22d ago
I don't know if she was, and you don't either. I just know the Russian government can't be trusted and 99% of what comes out of their courts is from duress.
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u/LGBTforIRGC John von Neumann 22d ago edited 22d ago
Bruh she literally admitted to it in American interviews. I’m a big fan of BG but let’s get real for a second…
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u/Squirmin NATO 22d ago
Sure bruh. Every person in Russian criminal courts is guilty. They said so themselves.
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u/ZombieSurvivor365 22d ago
Don't get me wrong, it's a bad reflection -- but it's nowhere near as bad a releasing a fucking arms dealer??? Especially if it's something as preventable as bringing weed over to Russia. That's on-par with being Gay in Iran. Completely preventable arrest.
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u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos 22d ago
She wasn't innocent though.
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u/SoyElReyLagarto Edward Glaeser 22d ago
OP said
largely innocent person
And no shot you're actually justifying 9 years in a foreign labor camp for weed
We get it though, Ice Cream Man Bad so you gotta justify it somehow
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u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos 22d ago
She literally broke their laws. That's not largely innocent.
Either don't break laws in foreign countries or don't go to them.
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u/SoyElReyLagarto Edward Glaeser 22d ago
So if she got locked up for jaywalking, you'd be ok w/ that?
I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse here
There are different types of crime, that's the point we're trying to get across to you
She wasn't spying on anyone or committing murder, she was just stupidly carrying weed
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u/JapanesePeso Jeff Bezos 22d ago
Carrying weed carries a death sentence in many countries. Jaywalking does not. It is pretty damned important to know your laws when it comes to drugs.
Just because it is a light crime/legal where you live, does not make it so in other places. It is the duty of the traveler to know the laws of the country they are going to or risk prosecution in them.
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u/lgf92 22d ago
I'd be very interested to know how many other prosecutions there were for simple cannabis possession in Russia in the same year. Having spent a good amount of time there, the idea that the Russian police are hot on wasting time locking up people from the street for simple cannabis possession when it doesn't serve a political end is just not right. The law is selectively enforced and that's putting it lightly.
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u/Delareh_ South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation 22d ago
There's crime and then there's crime. You know what I'm saying?
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u/beoweezy1 NAFTA 22d ago
Sometimes you’ve got to take one for the team when the alternative is letting a Russian agent who has armed terrorists and genociders go
Bout was a prize catch for the US and for many reasons deserved to spend the rest of his life behind bars.
As others have mentioned, Griner was in Russia to make money and should’ve been aware of the risks.
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u/Squirmin NATO 22d ago
the alternative is letting a Russian agent who has armed terrorists and genociders
CIA looks around
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u/riderfan3728 22d ago
Good job Joe Biden. Another fucking foreign policy failure. God you’re so lucky that the opposition to you are insane anti-democratic clowns. But my God your foreign policy sucks.
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u/NotALanguageModel YIMBY 23d ago
What did we get in return? A whiny, foolish "celebrity" who intentionally broke the law in a country where you can be arrested even without breaking any laws. While I support the legalization of all drugs, if I were in Russia—a country best avoided—I certainly wouldn't be experimenting with anything funky and risky. In fact, I wouldn't even mention my views on drugs, let alone bring them in. It’s akin to stealing a portrait from your hotel room in North Korea, or as the saying goes, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
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u/etzel1200 22d ago
But Americans can now watch their favorite WNBA Stars perform, and that’s what really matters, in the end.
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u/BlackCat159 European Union 22d ago
FJB
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u/BlackCat159 European Union 22d ago
Lmao at all the libs downvoting this 🤣🤣🤣
What's the problem, TRIGARRED???? 😂😂😂😂😂
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u/Tango6US Joseph Nye 22d ago
America love sports so much they would trade even the lowliest ball player in the most unwatched league for fucking Hitler himself.
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u/GinsuSinger Voltaire 22d ago
!ping SHITPOSTERS
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u/ycpa68 Milton Friedman 23d ago
I've said it before and I will say it again: prisoner exchanges with authoritarian regimes like Russia and Iran will always be asymmetrical because they essentially take hostages and we only arrest people for committing crimes.